Toxicity VS Frustration

Zyzeran··4 votes·1,153 views

What is Toxicity to you? Is it someone who constantly types in all chat "x 9 Y summoner" or "gg this X". Or maybe someone who after a 30 minute game is ready to throw in the towel and AFKs and starts bashing their team. Either or, it's really easy to see these people are just taking out their frustration on you or are deflecting blame from themselves and are thus being rude and ruining your game experience. Anyone can see they're toxic.

What is frustration on the other hand? It's easy to see when someone is frustrated if they're constantly trying and failing to do something in the game i.e. go for a kill, take a tower, or pick fights out of position. These players aren't toxic, but they aren't exactly helping you out either. However unlike the former group, they are far from your enemy. It's not your job to get them to calm down and get a hold of themselves, but it is your job to reassure these people that they are your ALLIES. Don't turn someone who's frustrated into someone who's toxic. It's really fucking easy to just put one missing ping over their head or add one snide remake into chat and get a reaction out of someone who's frustrated. DON'T FUCKING DO IT. You know who you are. Unless you're of the former group, and you WANT to piss them off and are yourself toxic. In which case I can't stop you in the first place. But if you find yourself in a situation, and you will because it happens in almost every game I play, where someone is clearly frustrated with either themselves, their allies or something else and they aren't doing well. Just tell them that teamwork is how you'll win, and they should just try to get back into the game. You don't owe it to them to listen to their life story, but just reassure them that it isn't a 1v9 game, otherwise it's a 6v4 for you. And if you're the stubborn type who refuses and the game was 1v9 for you already, then just don't say anything seriously, you don't need to throw your ego around because you're upset with someone else in the game. This is doubly true if you're the one who's frustrated. Being frustrated isn't a free pass to take your aggression out on anyone else in the game.

ON A LAST, BUT VERY IMPORTANT NOTE. And if you take away nothing else but this, please do so. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. SOMEONE WHO IS FRUSTRATED ISNT NECESSARILY TOXIC. If someone is voicing their FRUSTRATION, that doesn't mean they're toxic. It's that simple. Don't get a witch hunt going just because they're upset. IT doesn't help.

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AllahThaGreatest3 votes

toxicity to me is being met with constant intolerance and disrespect. fore example, i asked someone for help and they tell me to piss off

Dragfin2 votes

Toxicity (AFK's/DC's, feeders, trolls, bad attitudes, non team players, no communication) causes frustration causes toxicity (chat). RIOT don't get it because they are not very intelligent common sense wise.

MaxDarkwill1 votes

So we can acknowledge that all assassin mains are reportable for not being team players.

Zyzeran1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unj0 Gratis,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1XlKoc1B,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-08-10T20:18:36.113+0000)

So we can acknowledge that all assassin mains are reportable for not being team players.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. But if champions were locked away until you reached certain tiers. Or if you weren't allowed to play a champion until you've played them in at least 5-10 normals. I think the amount of ranked games lost to poor picks would decrease tremendously.

Zyzeran1 votes

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I wouldn't go so far as to say that. But if champions were locked away until you reached certain tiers. Or if you weren't allowed to play a champion until you've played them in at least 5-10 normals. I think the amount of ranked games lost to poor picks would decrease tremendously.

I'm also a Yasuo main myself, and I hate getting my champion stolen away from me because he's flavor of the month or someone just bought him and they want to play him in ranked.

MaxDarkwill1 votes

I dunno for that id make anyone that climbed using any assassin only demoted to their previous rank before using it because they abuse an imbalanced class

Zyzeran1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unj0 Gratis,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1XlKoc1B,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-08-10T20:35:10.651+0000)

I dunno for that id make anyone that climbed using any assassin only demoted to their previous rank before using it because they abuse an imbalanced class

I don't agree with them being an imbalanced class. The class as a whole rewards player skill. You know what a bad talon/zed/rengar/katarina/akali/yasuo/leblanc/etc looks like. It's painfully obvious. Not to mention, half of those champions can not carry games by themselves, leblanc/zed/talon REQUIRE a decent team to actually play the game for them, and they'll come in when it's opportune to do so. What this means is that this person could have played any other mid/top/jungler, to the same if not better result because of their immediate and constant threat and effect on the game. Zed is only threatening when you don't know where he is. If he's grouped with his team just farming mid lane as all low elo games devolve into, then he's no threat to you so long as your team is around to stop his attempts at 1v5 dives. If you feel like they're difficult to play against 1v1. Play them yourself and learn their weaknesses. Every champion has them, and you're only ignorant to them so long as you don't know what they are.

Zyzeran1 votes

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I don't agree with them being an imbalanced class. The class as a whole rewards player skill. You know what a bad talon/zed/rengar/katarina/akali/yasuo/leblanc/etc looks like. It's painfully obvious. Not to mention, half of those champions can not carry games by themselves, leblanc/zed/talon REQUIRE a decent team to actually play the game for them, and they'll come in when it's opportune to do so. What this means is that this person could have played any other mid/top/jungler, to the same if not better result because of their immediate and constant threat and effect on the game. Zed is only threatening when you don't know where he is. If he's grouped with his team just farming mid lane as all low elo games devolve into, then he's no threat to you so long as your team is around to stop his attempts at 1v5 dives. If you feel like they're difficult to play against 1v1. Play them yourself and learn their weaknesses. Every champion has them, and you're only ignorant to them so long as you don't know what they are.

ALSO! Most assassins are assassination targets themselves! They're often squishy and predictable when you catch them on their own or by surprise. Use this!

Dragfin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Unj0 Gratis,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1XlKoc1B,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-08-10T20:18:36.113+0000)

So we can acknowledge that all assassin mains are reportable for not being team players.

Common sense is apparently not your forte.

Billybaroo23142 votes

Problem is, people don't know toxic vs frustrated vs helpful because the trolls are out of control. People are on edge in game because the trolls think it is funny to try to flame their own team. "This Morg", "this Kled" "This lucian" is never a productive statement unless and rarely funny to most players unless it's because you 10/0. 0/1/1 and "this mid" from bot lane is rarely ment to be positive. Had a game not to long ago Pinged three times my mid was missing, even pinged danger on a prob course he was taking to go bot for a gank. They were over extended, and I was back buying, but pinged the MIA. Bot lane "ping missing" "I did, and danger" "no you pinged danger" "check the chat log" (trying to stop the useless discussion)....next response is "This Morg" just never positive. Continues to point at 5/2/5 and good cs they continuation of "this mid", "this morg" because people want to be funny and add whatever you want behind it breaks team down, and personally I don't want to help them anymore. THAT IS TOXIC.

Asking your team to ward X spot, or "Group and stop chasing kills into bad position before we throw" is not toxic, it's a fact that happens way to much. Team response of "you bitch to much" because you see a team come back from 25/15 to 28/30 because we have chased and taken 0 towers because they want to chase into unwarded jungles that turns momentum and game around IS NOT TOXIC. It's the fact of what is happening and costing the game. Just played last game where we refused to group, our ADC who was fed chased kills long enough that they caught up, got ahead, won game. We had 3 chances to take a tower and inhib and he left lane to go chase a kill. Asking to focus objectives over kills IS NOT TOXIC.

TL/DR: correct people don't know the difference between Toxic, helpful, frustrated due to BAD COMMUNITY and Trolls that think they are funny. Fix that, can then fix the chat part.

EvilDustMan1 votes

Voicing your frustration is demoralizing and highly annoying if you do it constantly, especially if it is about your own team.

Dragfin4 votes

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Voicing your frustration is demoralizing and highly annoying if you do it constantly, especially if it is about your own team.

So are the things that happen to cause it. Eliminate the cause and you eliminate the problem instead of creating more problems by allowing it to happen in the first place.

Telephone Booth2 votes

Ya but the cause is the thing you can't control. You can't MAKE someone outplay their lane opponent. You can't make em play well. The only thing you have control over is your own behavior. So eliminating the cause is impossible and a fruitless endeavor and getting angry about it only hurts yourself and probably your team.

Dragfin2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1XlKoc1B,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-10T21:49:15.435+0000)

Ya but the cause is the thing you can't control. You can't MAKE someone outplay their lane opponent. You can't make em play well. The only thing you have control over is your own behavior. So eliminating the cause is impossible and a fruitless endeavor and getting angry about it only hurts yourself and probably your team.

You can control afk's/dc's. You can control trolls. You can control those players unwilling to play with their team, etc, etc. Stop being counterproductive. RIOT chooses not to control these things in a more effective manner because of money, bottom line. Don't kid yourself and stop being a sheep.

xXI3ADI3OYXx1 votes

when it comes to Riot making money we're all Sheep,

Dragfin1 votes

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when it comes to Riot making money we're all Sheep,

The game is free to play. I have no idea what you mean. If you buy RP then you can be considered a sheep, if not then how? You can play this game forever without buying anything from RIOT.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Lol jeez I just meant you personally. Not riot. You can't control any of those. Fucking sheep lol shut up dude.

Dragfin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1XlKoc1B,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2016-08-11T22:09:58.686+0000)

Lol jeez I just meant you personally. Not riot. You can't control any of those. Fucking sheep lol shut up dude.

That's the problem with people like you.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Alright, well whatever my problem is is not important... I'm just saying, it's helpful to realize what things are in your control and what things arent. If you let things that you can't control bother you, you're gonna hurt yourself. It's like an inner frustration that you can't fix. So realize what's out of your control and then let it go.

It just seemed like you were disagreeing about the guy saying voicing your frustration hurts your team and is annoying. It's also annoying for the person who IS frustrated. Obviously being frustrated is annoying. So realizing you can't control the source of your frustration, kind of alleviates some of it. You go "well I'm with a team that's getting outplayed at every turn, nothing I can do about that so whatever, I'm gonna have fun in a different way other than winning". Instead of "this team sucks I wish riot would do something about these shitty players and trolls!! I'm so tilted!"

You get what I'm saying? Or am I speaking in sheep?

KEONIEPPE1 votes

Cant agree more riot doesn't care about how the game plays out other then afk. They only care about how many reports and the punishments even if it is out of context.

Zyzeran1 votes

What happened to me was I had a jungler who was neither helpful or were they feeding, they just did nothing. I asked them, to quote I said "nid, would you mind placing a pink for me there (ping)". No response to that. It's a normal mind you so I can't exactly expect everyone to be on their A game. And I was pissed off that I wasn't getting any help after I'd been repeatedly ganked, nor when I roamed and she was either doing her own thing farming, or just dead. Again. I didn't mention anything and the game just quickly went downhill. All 3 lanes fed and we were just getting nowhere. I said, and I realize I'm bad for saying so, that I don't want to play for another 30 minutes for 80 IP and a headache, so I'm down to surrender if anyone else is. It's a normal, it's nobodies promos, and nobody was doing well. I get that I'm wrong for wanting to surrender, but I really don't feel like a normal in which we ended up going 6:21 is really worth the "Never give up" mentality. If it was ranked, sure, but it's a normal, let's just forget it happened and move on to the next game. Nid chimes in, "Oh, I bet I can guess your rank". And I snapped and said, I bet I can guess how many times you ganked, or put a ward where I asked you, or helped anyone, or how many assists you have. We were both in the wrong, but I was ready to just leave that game alone and move on without ruffling anyone's feathers, but because I voiced how frustrated I was with her, she had the nerve to call me toxic for calling her out. Is nobody allowed to call someone out on THEIR bullshit? I know I'm far from in the right on this one, believe me I know, but don't antagonize me and then call me toxic. That's what you wanted isn't it, to get a response out of me. Why? Because it would vindicate you somehow? I was frustrated, and I wanted to surrender, I asked if anyone else was down. If you want to play, fine, tell me, shut up I want to play it out. I know it's rude and it lowers team morale. But it's not a fucking psych ward, we're not bomb techs, we're not soldiers, we're just people playing a game. Yet people seem to treat it like it's fragile and that a stiff breeze might get us all demoted to bronze 20 at the end of the match.

It's very important sure, but it's not as if morale is going to win us the game when we're nearly 20 behind by 20 minutes. There's a time and a place for everything. The option to surrender exists, if it didn't, I'd understand, but it exists for games like that and reasons like these. Don't give up when you think there's a chance sure, but if nobody is carrying, and you've already been outscaled, just move on. Don't frustrate yourself anymore than you have.

Morality Coach1 votes

Most toxic thing is to pick an off meta pick with sub 40% winrate when you are Bronze 5.

Being total dead weight and saying it's just a game. This should be bannable but these people buy most of the skins so they get hand held.

Ada Wong1 votes

Honestly its really "Frustrating" when your idiot jungler throws off your lane, first he comes in okay we barely won the fight he actually helped, Both times he didn't follow the proper jungling rule on either gank, but does it again but gets the enemy ahead +1 kill +cs because they do not pay any attention at all, and when your playing champions that have to work around a team based comp more its an issue....

This is when I flat out just give up /mute all, Turn off my frigging sound and play the game I just don't care its hard to care when one or more of your members are going to flat out troll you, then you don't have to put up with the bullshit or hear anything but the chances to win go down highly...

Although "Frustration" does lead to toxicity in many cases, unlike Over Watch where its more fun even in ranked, and you can change heroes whenever League, and such you are forced into a specific champion or hero after locking so its more stressful when you get players being who in your mind are flat out dumb, and there is nothing you can really do about it without changing to deal with the situation.

Itankyou1 votes

This 'post' is toxicity. Please stop verbally abusing me.

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