potential solution to "omg i got banned to a troll"

scazzman·May 23, 2016·1 votes·807 views

make it so if a player is punished for verbal toxicity. anyone in game with them found to be deliberately provoking them. is escalated to THE TIER ABOVE whatever tier of punishment player x was at or bumped up a tier. whichever is more severe. and if a player is punished. any recently reported player who has queued with them the last 10 games is put up for review by the bot

imo the main problem isnt that people are butthurt about being banned for retaliation. theyre upset about being banned for retaliation while the other guy gets away with provoking.

14 Comments

SmokedAlmondsMay 23, 20167 votes

The baiters are racking up infractions the same way that people who retaliate are. Punishments are usually not for individual incidents. That is why you see complaints like "I was banned, why wasn't he?". Because that ban wasn't just for that game, It was just the final straw for you and not him.

Each game is just a drop in the bucket.

Some(if not many or even most) of those people you think are intentionally trying to bait people aren't. Just becuase someone said the first thing that triggered a negative situation doesn't mean it was intended to do that. People should take responsibility for themselves.

FiruMay 23, 20164 votes

The other guy doesn't get away with provoking. They get reported and it counts towards their future punishments just as the "provoked" person's report counted against them.

scazzmanMay 23, 20161 votes

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The other guy doesn't get away with provoking. They get reported and it counts towards their future punishments just as the "provoked" person's report counted against them.

regardless. players vulnerable to being provoked need to be protected. and people think "i can ignore it not my problem riot shouldnt fix it" are equally toxic. i shouldnt have to EDIT MY FUCKING GAME FILES TO TURN OFF CHAT just to avoid being provoked

ZielmannMay 23, 20167 votes

Everybody is responsible for their own behavior. Punishing other people more harshly because somebody else couldn't control themselves is nonsense.

I'm not saying everybody needs to deal with it the same way, though. For example, I don't really let things said in game bother me a whole lot. As a result, I rarely even use the mute feature unless somebody is just getting really annoying. Other players might find it works best to mute everything the moment chat starts to wander slightly. And for some, it might be best to move the chat box off the screen or shrink it to where it's not visible. There's nothing wrong with any of these approaches, and in each case the person is taking a proactive action to help prevent them from reacting in a negative way.

FiruMay 23, 20161 votes

Your rationale and argument requires providing an excuse for someone's toxic behavior. Specifically, it implies it is more okay to be toxic in response to provocation than for other reasons. It implies this because it would require less strict punishment for retaliatory toxicity (or more strict punishment for provoking toxicity, it's is the same however you describe it).

Riot has stated numerous times there is no excuse for toxicity so this wouldn't work.

Further, a major crux of your argument is that some people are more predisposed to being toxic than others. More so, that special treatment should be given to these people. This is irrelevant because if its true then it doesn't matter how hard the other person is punished - you will still be responding with toxicity.

Punishing one class of players more doesn't "protect" a another class of players.

I get that you struggle with toxicity but I think you'd be best served understanding that you need to focus on your actions and why you seem to be getting so upset. I have a very short temper myself in League yet I manage to be quiet during most games. It's not easy and, in fact, it's very hard. But it is doable.

And you're write, you shouldn't have to edit your own files to remove chat in order to not be provoked. But the answer to that isn't with what you're suggesting. The answer is in understanding yourself.

scazzmanMay 23, 20161 votes

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Your rationale and argument requires providing an excuse for someone's toxic behavior. Specifically, it implies it is more okay to be toxic in response to provocation than for other reasons. It implies this because it would require less strict punishment for retaliatory toxicity (or more strict punishment for provoking toxicity, it's is the same however you describe it).

Riot has stated numerous times there is no excuse for toxicity so this wouldn't work.

Further, a major crux of your argument is that some people are more predisposed to being toxic than others. More so, that special treatment should be given to these people. This is irrelevant because if its true then it doesn't matter how hard the other person is punished - you will still be responding with toxicity.

Punishing one class of players more doesn't "protect" a another class of players.

I get that you struggle with toxicity but I think you'd be best served understanding that you need to focus on your actions and why you seem to be getting so upset. I have a very short temper myself in League yet I manage to be quiet during most games. It's not easy and, in fact, it's very hard. But it is doable.

And you're write, you shouldn't have to edit your own files to remove chat in order to not be provoked. But the answer to that isn't with what you're suggesting. The answer is in understanding yourself.

im not "making excuses" and even if i was. it doesnt make me wrong. and you have NO FUCKING IDEA. what i go through every day. so until you become perfect. dont cast the 1st stone. and instigating IS worse than retaliation. which is why in our legal system "crime of passion" is a legitimate defense and can get you a reduced sentence. also. i would greatly appreciate if you would stop stalking me on the boards. if you dont agree with me fine. but shut up and go away if you won't. i have a social disorder that makes my brain incapable of ignoring people who are provoking me. and i play online games to "get away" and i'm on no way suggesting that retaliation shouldnt be punished. im suggesting that instigation needs to be dealt with 1st if riot actually cares about reform and isnt lying and throwing carrot and stick at the problem just to make it look like theyre doing something when in reality they dont care.

FiruMay 23, 20161 votes

I believe the end of my comment I almost explicitly say how I'm not perfect.

What I'm suggesting also is that what you perceive as constant instigation might not be that. Just look at the tone of your response. That's what you need to work on and worry about, first I think. Focus on whatever is making you lose your temper so easily. I'm rather familiar with most social disorders and nearly all have coping mechanisms, exercises, and tactics to help the person deal with their situation.

AstôlfoMay 23, 20161 votes

No one cares what you go through every day. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And if you have a disorder, that's your own issue. Other people still shouldn't have to deal with it. Either figure out how to deal with it or don't play in the first place.

AstôlfoMay 23, 20162 votes

Or, people could just be mature and not retaliate.

nerak23May 23, 20161 votes

regardless. players vulnerable to being provoked need to be protected. and people think "i can ignore it not my problem riot shouldnt fix it" are equally toxic. i shouldnt have to EDIT MY FUCKING GAME FILES TO TURN OFF CHAT just to avoid being provoke

Everyone deals with being provoked in some way or another. Its a matter of how one deals with perceived provocation.

If you feel that you are more likely to poke back at people then it is Your responsibility to act accordingly not the company giving you the free game. In other words, you are the one who has to decide if you need to turn off your chat not Riot.

Rebel 986May 23, 20161 votes

How bout everyone stop being so freakin sensitive. Get over it. Too many cry babies today.

FiruMay 23, 20163 votes

I find the people who are calling other people cry babies are the one who do the most whining on these boards.

MasterSomethingMay 23, 20163 votes

It's not that I take offense... It's just that I find someone who's insulting me dispiriting and makes me want to play less.

EMetaMay 23, 20161 votes

In every case where you have multiple players yelling at each other, both are responsible for provoking the other more. So your solution would have the effect of 'Players squabbling with each other get banned more than someone who bitches alone.' I think that's the opposite of what you were going for. Furthermore, many perceived provocations are non-verbal--things like taxing lanes, never ganking, supports stealing cs, etc., so looking for the original provocateur is futile.

Everyone just has to be responsible for themselves.