aka intentional feeding/afking.
I see afkers and intentional feeders get away with all the time, but as soon as someone says a "naughty word", that's a suspension or even a ban. Sometimes not even "naughty words" just "wrongthink" leads to permaban.
Riot, your horrible system rewards bad behavior and punishes communication. Re-think this atrocity...
Deep Terror Nami11 votesBecause it's far easier to prove someone said something that they definitely did say, than to detect toxic gameplay and prove the malicious intent.
your horrible system rewards bad behavior
How so?
and punishes verbal abuse and other negative chat
ftfy
scazzman3 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-27T08:18:06.892+0000)
Because it's far easier to prove someone said something that they definitely did say, than to detect toxic gameplay and prove the malicious intent.
How so?
ftfy
i think destine is the scum of the earth, however i do agree with him on the point that the system rewards people who instigate toxicity, because as long as you do it in a way where the system can't detect you, the person you're trying to bait into being punished is more likely to get banned then you. and the strike system made it even worse
Magical Player3 votesi think destine is the scum of the earth, however i do agree with him on the point that the system rewards people who instigate toxicity, because as long as you do it in a way where the system can't detect you, the person you're trying to bait into being punished is more likely to get banned then you. and the strike system made it even worse
Give an example? of how a user baits his team into typing? I'd love the power to get a person to type to me
scazzman1 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-02-27T09:23:20.612+0000)
Give an example? of how a user baits his team into typing? I'd love the power to get a person to type to me
they start off by riling you up in pregame chat, before you get a chance to mute them, and then immediatly once the match loads they will say something along the lines of "magical player was using hate speech, " often accompanied by light trolling, such as maybe inting one kill and then playing normally, or stealing farm, and if you actually have the common sense to mute them. they spam you with pings
Sarutobi2 votesthey start off by riling you up in pregame chat, before you get a chance to mute them, and then immediatly once the match loads they will say something along the lines of "magical player was using hate speech, " often accompanied by light trolling, such as maybe inting one kill and then playing normally, or stealing farm, and if you actually have the common sense to mute them. they spam you with pings
So mute them when the games comes up, and lower the ping sound in the setting. Why are you not using the features given to you?
scazzman1 votesSo mute them when the games comes up, and lower the ping sound in the setting. Why are you not using the features given to you?
i am. and i shouldnt have to turn off ping sounds because someone wants to be a dick
HexaDecimel1 votesSo mute and report, that is the very reason the system is in place.
Magical Player1 votesthey start off by riling you up in pregame chat, before you get a chance to mute them, and then immediatly once the match loads they will say something along the lines of "magical player was using hate speech, " often accompanied by light trolling, such as maybe inting one kill and then playing normally, or stealing farm, and if you actually have the common sense to mute them. they spam you with pings
Everything you said does not equate to getting a user to type. Im sorry I don't understand where exactly is the mind control. Like how can 1 person typing or doing an action result in another user escalating the actions to a point where they need to be punished??? Im just confused why you believe people care what another random user inside league say
HexaDecimel1 votesSo you have absolutely not control over your feelings and actions. So what if they talk shit, it only does what you allow it to do.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesthey start off by riling you up in pregame chat, before you get a chance to mute them, and then immediatly once the match loads they will say something along the lines of "magical player was using hate speech, "
Riot can see pre-game chat.
HexaDecimel1 votesHow does that reward people who are instigating toxicity? Sure they are being assholes and getting away with it. But what are they actually gaining from the system.
If people are looking for someone to blame they should first look into a mirror. Everyone can make a decision as to how they are going to act. You don't have to be baited into getting punished, its your choice. I can yell and swear at teammates all I want as long as I am just saying it and not typing it down.
Players some how got it into their head that they need to engage in disputes in game and trade insults. And if they don't then they some how aren't standing up for themselves and there is no justice. Thats just a poor excuse for having no control over your own behaviour.
Magical Player3 votesExample of naughty words? Example of trolling/afking?
need a list of both, not just some empty thread
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-27T08:16:59.757+0000)
Example of naughty words?
Anything that could potentially get someone suspended and/or banned.
Magical Player3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-27T23:29:45.002+0000)
Anything that could potentially get someone suspended and/or banned.
but the list? need specifics as to know what to avoid same with the other statement I made Example of trolling/afking?
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-27T23:37:30.230+0000)
but the list?
Yeah let me just violate every single rule that Riot has implemented.
Why don't I just forum ban myself then? don't be a joke....
Magical Player4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-27T23:42:28.601+0000)
Yeah let me just violate every single rule that Riot has implemented.
Why don't I just forum ban myself then? don't be a joke....
You're not punished for giving a list of things you're punished for directing that list at other users Just saying also in terms of the feeding, how can you determine a feeder from a person having a bad game?
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-27T23:44:25.718+0000)
[give] a list of things [so you get forum banned]
Alright I call troll.
Ignoring your future requests.
TrulyBland1 votesSaying "you are fucking retarded, go kill yourself" would probably be one of those things that could get you banned in game and on the forums.
Now watch me not get banned for using it in this very context, because I'm not directing it at anybody.
Edit: Though I do just realize it might sound like I'm trying to low-key direct this at you... I'm not. I don't joke around with suicide. In fact I intentionally picked a sentence that, if I saw it directed at somebody I wouldn't hesitate reporting it immediately.
Dominick Destine1 votesSaying "you are fucking retarded, go kill yourself"
You are a leftist/feminist.
Moderation sides with you by its very nature. I am a libertarian/supporter of right wing philosophy. Moderation sides against me by it's very nature. Do you understand this? I oppose the draconian system, you support it, do you not see the relevance yet?
TrulyBland1 votesNo I don't. All I see is a typical conspiracy theory.
No. that's not quite true. Typical conspiracy theories rely on confirmation bias. But even confirmation bias needs evidence to operate. You don't even have that.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but your theory is actually even less believable than a typical conspiracy theory.
Dominick Destine2 votesNo I don't.
I didn't think you would.
This Is Your Dad1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-28T06:24:29.267+0000)
You are a leftist/feminist.
Moderation sides with you by its very nature. I am a libertarian/supporter of right wing philosophy. Moderation sides against me by it's very nature. Do you understand this? I oppose the draconian system, you support it, do you not see the relevance yet?
As much as I agree with you in terms of people that intentionally feed or afk, in terms of wanting to rip their limbs off because they're laughing at the fact that they can make you rage, get you punished, and troll a game all in one go... you just have to learn to play the system harder than they're playing it. In a perfect world our intentions would be clear, but people have bad games and it may LOOK like they're feeding on purpose. Occasionally the Internet does terrible things for no reason. That's just part of life. Instead of advocating for their punishment, maybe we should put certain checks in place to ensure that people entering a game have a good enough connection to play, or that feeding patterns or 2 games of consecutive feeding results in a warning of some sort. It goes along with the idea that you can't ban players for sucking at the game. There's a bronze elo, and it's there for a reason. If they say they're feeding on purpose in chat, the chat log should be searched for the reason behind the feeding, and if excessive verbal abuse is the cause, it should be a lighter punishment than if they're just doing it because they're just a terrible person. Logically the idea is sound, but practically there are many more variables to consider when dishing out punishments. What if a person is actually mentally handicapped? Just let them play if they're actually bad. Duo with someone if you need to. Try not telling them to kill themselves. By definition, right wing philosophy incorporates cold, calculative reasoning to solve issues. Only the strong survive. Just remember, there will always be someone stronger and better than you. With your reasoning, eventually you will get banned for the very thing you want to ban people for, because somewhere along the line you'd reach an elo inappropriate for your current skill level and feed. And it would be on purpose. And you'd cry.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T09:06:33.695+0000)
you just have to learn to play the system harder than they're playing it.
And that's exactly what I do.
But that doesn't mean I will stop opposing the draconian system or leftist/feminists.
This Is Your Dad3 votesTelling people to kill themselves is not communication.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1BbgQfzF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-27T08:50:49.243+0000)
Telling people to kill themselves is not communication.
What is "The mute button" for 500 Alex
And you can ignore people that rage.... you cannot ignore intentional feeders or afkers.
BigBellBrute3 votesWaaaaaah They won't let me use racial slurs or tell people to go kill themselves. Booo hooo hooo.
Dominick Destine1 votesI am an SJW and I think "Naughty words" is more important than real in-game problems
Fix'd.
ModPeriscope1 votesObviously you see some problem in using "naughty words" if you don't use them. On the boards or in game. Why don't you use them? Because it offends people. It distracts from the true purpose: getting your team kills and objectives.
If you're as torn about using these words as you say you are, you could just stop supporting Riot games when you play their game and write on their forums.
scazzman1 votesWaaaaaah They won't let me use racial slurs or tell people to go kill themselves. Booo hooo hooo.
but its not just kys and slurs that are getting people banned. riot games is the ONLY game i know of that will ban you for telling someone to shut up
ModPrandine1 votesbut its not just kys and slurs that are getting people banned. riot games is the ONLY game i know of that will ban you for telling someone to shut up
Funny, I have never seen a case where someone was punished just for telling someone to shut up. Care to provide a link to such a case?
Paquay2 votesYou're still here complaining? Ugh.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votes"just a bad game"
MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votesbecause they are easily detectable by a computer program while feeding is very hard to judge without watching the game which no one has time for.
EvilDustMan1 votesWe actually don't have much of an idea how many feeders go by unpunished, we just have people posting feeders who aren't punished. And that is only once in a while.
Nik Nikerson1 votesFunny, because I see people say inappropriate shit all the time and get away with it.