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2 1/2 honor levels demoted for this? Really?...

USG Failsawce··1 votes·708 views

I admit I was toxic. For one game out of recent thousands where I genuinely wasn't. And only toxic because this plat player with a humongous ego was not only trash talking my friend, who's practically brand new to the game and only plays arams so far, and myself, as well as flat out griefing us and admitting to it chat, trying as hard as he can to piss us both off.

Sure, there's no excuse (as obnoxious as griefers like this guy are). But I get one bad game out of so many where I lose my cool for no reason other than the fact that this guy supposed to be plat is trolling us to our deaths, watching us die and laugh spamming, calling us newbs (my friend actually is, and there's no excuse for being toxic to new players), and ultimately afking saying things like "yea I let you guys die cus ur shit" and "afk cant carry these trash" etc. Except not really going afk... just standing in base continuing to be toxic.

Yes I understand I could have just ignored him, reported him (he did get punished too), and moved on. Yes I know I should have said anything, much less been toxic, even for just one game. I get it...

But if I'm going to be chat banned for defending my new player friend and myself from someone who is blatantly griefing, do I really need to have 2 1/2 full honor levels removed and locked as well? Sorry but that is entirely too excessive. Especially for someone who hasn't been chat restricted one time in over 1 1/2 years, and gets tons of honors.

Not happy about this. Not happy about how griefers basically get away with murder, and we who are genuinely just pissed off by them, and have a bad game get punished for doing nothing but defending ourselves.

13 Comments

CrazFight 2 votes

Provide The Chat Logs

USG Failsawce2 votes

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Provide The Chat Logs

Did you even read the post? Did you even read the first sentence?

I'm not here to discuss why I was chat restricted, I already admit I was wrong, I'm here to find out why the hell we lose 2 1/2 honor levels on top of it. Especially based on a single game and first offense in years, where I lost my cool one time to a freaking griefer who dedicated his time to making us miserable.

On top of which, judging by the way you're posting, you're clearly here for no other reason than to cause additional drama and troll to boost your own toxic ego.

Not interested.

CrazFight 1 votes

I read post, without chat logs cant determine weather you deserved to drop all that honor. So yes chat logs would help.

USG Failsawce1 votes

[{quoted}](name=CrazFight ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0pOfBPTO,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-25T04:10:35.334+0000)

I read post, without chat logs cant determine weather you deserved to drop all that honor. So yes chat logs would help.

The point I'm making is no one should lose 2 1/2 honor levels just for having one bad game out of thousands of good ones with honors. If it was severe enough for that to happen it should have been a ban, not a chat restrict.

Mal the Red2 votes

I too believe it to be excessive, especially that bullshit they spout about how "everyone deserves respect on the rift."

I want to tell them that Respect is not something that is deserved. It is EARNED!

USG Failsawce1 votes

could not agree more

not to mention the fact that they already have a 4 point perma ban system in place... why does the first level of that, which riot basically admit they punish people with for simply having one bad game, also include completely destroying their entire honor progress and then a ton more, for the entire season?

meanwhile griefers are making their 9th account and getting perma banned again and they don't give 2 shits cus they don't really get deterred by anything at all riot does.

Awf Meta2 votes

I haven't seen much information on the specifics of regaining honor. I'm currently lobbying a moderator for more information.

However, all I can offer is my condolences. I think it sucks mild and severe toxicity get the same punishment.

P.S. Ignore the trolls that want you to post your chat logs. They just want to ridicule you.

USG Failsawce1 votes

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I think it sucks mild and severe toxicity get the same punishment.

so much this

Cynikul2 votes

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The point I'm making is no one should lose 2 1/2 honor levels just for having one bad game out of thousands of good ones with honors. If it was severe enough for that to happen it should have been a ban, not a chat restrict.

I disagree, context genuinely matters here. That's like a cop saying "Ok so I accepted one bribe, does that mean I deserve to lose all my respect/reputation of being a normally good cop", well, yes it does. And how would we know that you wouldn't just do it again? If someone isn't punished for an action that was "bad", then you cannot teach right and wrong, think of it when disciplining a child.** You have to correct there misguided actions because if you choose to ignore it because most of the time they are "good", then you're internalizing for them that said behavior is acceptable.**

To top it off, if you weren't punished, then you would rationalize and justify the action that you didn't get in trouble, therefore can do it more. So really, honestly despite you believing it, it was good that you got banned because now it sets precedent for you to understand whats acceptable and not acceptable. If you don't believe what I'm saying to you, then you're failing to be objective about your own actions which have placed you into this current situation. Yes trolling games suck. They happen, report and move on.

-Sincerely A former super toxic player that hasn't received a penalty in 2+ years

USG Failsawce1 votes

{quoted}

I disagree, context genuinely matters here. That's like a cop saying "Ok so I accepted one bribe, does that mean I deserve to lose all my respect/reputation of being a normally good cop", well, yes it does. And how would we know that you wouldn't just do it again? If someone isn't punished for an action that was "bad", then you cannot teach right and wrong, think of it when disciplining a child.** You have to correct there misguided actions because if you choose to ignore it because most of the time they are "good", then you're internalizing for them that said behavior is acceptable.**

To top it off, if you weren't punished, then you would rationalize and justify the action that you didn't get in trouble, therefore can do it more. So really, honestly despite you believing it, it was good that you got banned because now it sets precedent for you to understand whats acceptable and not acceptable. If you don't believe what I'm saying to you, then you're failing to be objective about your own actions which have placed you into this current situation. Yes trolling games suck. They happen, report and move on.

-Sincerely A former super toxic player that hasn't received a penalty in 2+ years

Once again, a person who didn't read a single thing that was said. You're actually preaching on a high horse about something that you made up in your own head, you realize that right?

  1. I was never banned, this was a chat restrict. The first offense of the 4 point penalty. Which I already admit I deserved.

  2. I didn't say I shouldn't have been punished for this at all, I said the punishment severity was too excessive for the crime. Context does not matter. If I wasn't being racist, homophobic, sexist, or generally hateful, and I'm not getting banned, why remove ALL my honor on top of a chat ban? 1 level would have been enough to get the point across. Hell the chat restrict was enough to get the point across. Point already received. I have no intention of doing it again.

Even for not being hateful, and just being "toxic" the things I said were minor. And even WHEN people are hateful, they still generally don't get bans for it, until it reaches that stage.

  1. Being that it hasn't happened for nearly as long as it has for you, it's not something that "I'm going to do again". I already knew what would happen if I was toxic, because it's happened before. I made a mistake, I lost my cool, and I wish I hadn't. That doesn't mean "it's going to be a regular thing", just because YOU say it will, when it hasn't happened in over a year and a half.

I made the mistake, I lost my cool, and I got punished for it. But the punishment severity did not fit the crime.

  1. Riot admits themselves that people have one or two or sometimes several bad games every now and then especially where trolls push them where they lose their cool which they don't get punished for, so in that case, why am I being punished for a single report, a single game, a single mistake, of thousands and almost years of nothing but good, from minor things, when riot themselves said this kind of thing doesn't happen?

And once again, even that much is fine... I accept it and I take responsibility. But taking ALL my honor away for it on top of it, is entirely too excessive. Taking some honor away, sure, I wish they wouldn't, but at least that's reasonable.

Cynikul1 votes

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Once again, a person who didn't read a single thing that was said. You're actually preaching on a high horse about something that you made up in your own head, you realize that right?

  1. I was never banned, this was a chat restrict. The first offense of the 4 point penalty. Which I already admit I deserved.

  2. I didn't say I shouldn't have been punished for this at all, I said the punishment severity was too excessive for the crime. Context does not matter. If I wasn't being racist, homophobic, sexist, or generally hateful, and I'm not getting banned, why remove ALL my honor on top of a chat ban? 1 level would have been enough to get the point across. Hell the chat restrict was enough to get the point across. Point already received. I have no intention of doing it again.

Even for not being hateful, and just being "toxic" the things I said were minor. And even WHEN people are hateful, they still generally don't get bans for it, until it reaches that stage.

  1. Being that it hasn't happened for nearly as long as it has for you, it's not something that "I'm going to do again". I already knew what would happen if I was toxic, because it's happened before. I made a mistake, I lost my cool, and I wish I hadn't. That doesn't mean "it's going to be a regular thing", just because YOU say it will, when it hasn't happened in over a year and a half.

I made the mistake, I lost my cool, and I got punished for it. But the punishment severity did not fit the crime.

  1. Riot admits themselves that people have one or two or sometimes several bad games every now and then especially where trolls push them where they lose their cool which they don't get punished for, so in that case, why am I being punished for a single report, a single game, a single mistake, of thousands and almost years of nothing but good, from minor things, when riot themselves said this kind of thing doesn't happen?

And once again, even that much is fine... I accept it and I take responsibility. But taking ALL my honor away for it on top of it, is entirely too excessive. Taking some honor away, sure, I wish they wouldn't, but at least that's reasonable.

1.) Where exactly did I say you were banned. It's almost like you are on the high horse making these claims

2.) Context does not matter, I can't even take you seriously at this point. I'm sorry for this but its hard to gauge anything you say objectively when you say something that genuinely is tantamount to being the equivalent IQ of Tana Mongeau.

I'm going to combine points 2 and 3 here because they hold a very evident proof that the first time did not work for you

3.) " I already knew what would happen if I was toxic, because it's happened before. "

Ok, so this has happened for you before, lets go back to this quote:

"Hell the chat restrict was enough to get the point across. Point already received. I have no intention of doing it again."

Clearly it wasn't though. See, your error is two-folly. You mistakenly believe that your belief system if that the correct one, and that someone else offering a different point that doesn't align with your own motives is wrong, no matter the context, because to you, context doesn't matter. I could try simplifying this point but I'm finding it difficult. It boils down to: A.) You knowingly did something wrong, but promise it won't happen again B.) And its happened before C.) Refer back to A (this is the point you should see your own self-contradiction of the argument you're trying to make) D.) You recieved a punishment that wasn't as light as the first, which you regret. Wow, people can be remorseful, its normal. Lets face it, your not upset that you got in trouble, you're upset that you got in more trouble than you would have thought you would, and that was because you committed the crime knowing, or atleast subconsciously that should you be punished- it would "just" be a chat restriction

4.) Riot admits bad games, but it was more prioritized to playing a bad game, not raging on a team, and while they do state that too... somewhere.... hate speech is absolutely never acceptable. Ever. There is no fucking argument to this. This, again, is also why context matters. Did you use hate speech? Did you tell someone to kill themselves.

Look, you might not believe this but I'm trying to help you understand a different point of view here, not harass and insult you, so leave the "high horse" shit at the door and open your mind to an idea that differs from your own. Open-mindedness breeds intelligent conversation.

ModPeriscope1 votes

That's really rough having to play with someone like that.

I don't think this was the right approach to show your friend, however. Plenty of toxic players in this game, and you should have showed him how to mute and report a player. "Defending" or throwing back flame isn't going to improve the situation, and hopefully your friend saw and understood that.

If you're still uncertain why you were chat banned, feel free to share your logs.

thefourtysn1 votes

My best advice bud, " /muteall " it'll save your life, and your friend. Coming from a player who wants the flame the crap out of my teammates for being bad, just take deep breaths. If u really want to be brutal like me bm the toxic player, and when you see him in a match put him in his place :_)

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