Toxicity Shouldn't Be Reportable

Toxic Feedus·5/10/2019, 1:29:09 PM·2 votes·2,865 views

Toxicity should not be a bannable/punishable offense in any circumstances, there is literally a mute button, if someone is being toxic (verbally) then just mute them and get on with the game. There is a REASON for the mute button for chat/emotes/pings, and it's definitely to ignore BMing and toxicity. If you're being toxic to a person who was being toxic first, they should be investigated as well if they're the ones who make the report considering you're basically defending yourself/others from that toxic person. I understand the concept of sportsmanlike conduct and stuff but that should only be in physical sports where things CAN escalate, where things CAN get physical, where you CAN'T just press a mute button. If someone is running it down mid, that should be bannable because you can lose for it. You shouldn't be banned just because some toxic person is calling you names, grow up, Riot. Words can't fucking hurt you, especially if you have a mute button. :3c and if you think words CAN hurt you, you probably shouldn't be playing something as toxic as League of Legends.

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20 Comments

insomniacjezz5/10/2019, 1:36:37 PM14 votes

Fortunately it is punishable. Riot’s game, Riot’s rules.

DuskDaUmbreon5/10/2019, 1:59:12 PM12 votes

Ah, yes, I love the totally unbiased poll. Definitely a nice addition.

Arngrim315/10/2019, 2:09:14 PM7 votes

Nobody likes to be treated poorly in any online game. They make the rules, you follow them. If you don't like it then play something else. Simple as that.

Kairoptra5/10/2019, 1:43:48 PM7 votes

My question is why you have to be able to use it. All Riot asks of you in return for letting you play their game is for you to not be toxic in any capacity, whether it be typing things in chat or intentionally feeding. Are you really so immature that you can't even do that and have to go on the Boards and whine about how hard your life is that you can't call somebody you'll never see again trash over the internet?

Yes, the mature thing to do for the person who sees the toxicity is to hit the mute button, but the mature thing for the person being toxic is to not say anything at all. We shouldn't even be having this conversation.

Arcade Lulu5/10/2019, 2:00:04 PM5 votes

Or..... you can just not be toxic

Simple

Umbral Regent5/10/2019, 8:15:47 PM4 votes

Toxicity should not be a bannable/punishable offense in any circumstances, there is literally a mute button, if someone is being toxic (verbally) then just mute them and get on with the game.

I'm gonna get to the first part of this sentence later, but for now, let's just address the argument of "there's a mute button";

There's literally a set of rules you agreed to, if you're being toxic, then you're going to get punished for breaking those rules.

The existence of a mute feature does not overwrite the rules you signed up for; and, wouldn't you know it, the use of both the mute feature and the report feature are not mutually exclusive. Riot gives us a few tools to deal with toxicity, it's only right that we use them all liberally.

There is a REASON for the mute button for chat/emotes/pings, and it's definitely to ignore BMing and toxicity.

But it's not to allow toxicity. The reason for the mute feature is to prevent further frustration caused by emotes/pings/chat; whether someone is using them maliciously or otherwise.

And, I say again; it does not prevent the rules from still being in place, so toxicity, even if muted, is still punishable.

If you're being toxic to a person who was being toxic first, they should be investigated as well if they're the ones who make the report considering you're basically defending yourself/others from that toxic person.

So...I don't get this one, you're lobbying for toxicity to be allowed, but then you want to get punished for your own toxicity if you decide to get into an argument, or...What?

Here's the deal; if Player A reports Player B, the IFS will only review the behavior of Player B, as they are the only ones whose behavior has been highlighted for review. Player A did not report themselves, so their behavior won't be reviewed unless someone else reports them.

If you want to see someone else punished for their toxicity, report them yourself, don't expect Riot to make some backwards system that punishes the person who files the report instead of the person being reported - assuming any degree of misbehavior from both parties, of course.

Also, you can defend yourself without being an asshole back. There's literally a mute button, after all. Just mute them and get on with the game.

I understand the concept of sportsmanlike conduct and stuff but that should only be in physical sports where things CAN escalate, where things CAN get physical, where you CAN'T just press a mute button.

So you're saying things can't escalate in League just like in physical sports? You're telling me, that there's no way, not a snowball's chance in fresh monster hell, that someone could get pissed off from someone being toxic to them, and then decide to troll or intentionally feed?

Sportsmanlike conduct has a place in all sports, be they E-Sports or physical sports. And whether you think so or not, shit can escalate in League just as it can in physical sports, the only difference is in how.

If someone is running it down mid, that should be bannable because you can lose for it.

I'm sorely tempted to call a double-standard here. Although, I'm of the attitude that all toxicity has no place in League, so I'm just going to point out something else;

Flaming your team and being toxic is almost as bad a case of sabotage as trolling or intentionally feeding. You waste your time on typing, you bring down everyone's morale, making everyone play worse, and you also make people not want to cooperate with you, ruining team cohesion and decreasing your odds of winning.

You can deny all you want, but your words do have impact on others, and how you choose to use or abuse that impact can greatly affect the outcome of the game. There's a reason that we have a Loading Screen Tip that talks about how toxic players lose 60~% of their games.

You shouldn't be banned just because some toxic person is calling you names, grow up, Riot.

Or, how's about toxic players grow up and not call people names in the first place? That behavior is pretty childish, and I find it ironic that you're telling Riot to grow up when they're simply punishing them for acting out.

Words can't fucking hurt you...

Words can hurt some people. You can't speak for the sensibilities of all human beings, much less for the League Community as a whole.

...especially if you have a mute button.

You can reiterate the existence of the mute button ad nauseum, but it still will not change the fact that the rules exist too.

And the Code of Conduct & Summoner's Code which you agreed to follow > the mute button every single time.

And if you don't like it; them's the 8r8ks.

...and if you think words CAN hurt you, you probably shouldn't be playing something as toxic as League of Legends.

Thankfully, there's a world of difference between thinking and knowing. And I don't think words can hurt people; I know.

And those who can be hurt by words have every right to play League too. You don't get to play arbitrary gatekeeper for a game you don't own.

Now, back to that first statement;

Toxicity should not be a bannable/punishable offense in any circumstances...

If you want toxicity to not be punishable, you have to prove that there is enough benefit to toxicity to outweigh the negatives; which is, to say, what I outlined earlier;

Flaming your team and being toxic is almost as bad a case of sabotage as trolling or intentionally feeding. You waste your time on typing, you bring down everyone's morale, making everyone play worse, and you also make people not want to cooperate with you, ruining team cohesion and decreasing your odds of winning.

If you can prove that there's any benefit to toxicity that greatly outweighs these drawbacks, then you might have a case for why toxicity shouldn't be punishable, but until then, these drawbacks give us every reason to see toxicity punished.

Gofs5/10/2019, 3:27:02 PM3 votes

Of course it should be punishable. Just because it’s over a game, doesn’t mean all players aren’t humans with feelings. Have respect like you should in real life towards others.

Zombie Gerbil5/10/2019, 6:12:59 PM2 votes

Why do you think Riot would listen to the 1% of players like yourself? You're in the minority when it comes to this. What you want, believe, or think is irrelevant to Riot. Riot only cares about the larger percentage of players who follow the rules and understands the agreement we all agreed to.

If you don't like the rules then you should have never agreed to the Terms of Use and should be off playing a different game.

Also, the irony when it comes to "cry babies". Here you are whining about how you can't bully people in a video game.

R107 Games5/10/2019, 1:36:52 PM1 votes

Verbal toxicity should indeed not be punishable. Though i believe there is an extent where it should be punishable, like when someone is spamming, or using zero tolerance language. Otherwise you have a mute button, use it

Saezio5/10/2019, 1:36:40 PM1 votes

IMO toxicity should only result in an 1 year Chat+Ranked Ban and then a perma Chat+Ranked Ban (because it is a disadvantage for the whole team when one can't type). Not an account ban.

Except for racism or hate speech or encouraging self harm. Simple shit like "You are trash and should get back inside your filthy trashcan where you and your likes belong" should never result in Account bans.

Encouraging people to off themselves should though because it indicates such high levels of malice and ignorance that such a person should never be allowed to play the game

This is all my personal opinion of how the rules should be, as a 27 year old person that has played for almost 10 years. This doesn't mean any punishments issued before such a change is made should be reversed. Just that the system should change. It is my opinion that there are not enough types of punishment for the different types of offences in the game.