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So riot will now ban you for doing something new thats non meta (im afraid of this)

LEEROY KLEDKINS··1 votes·782 views

We all know about the recent singed support and honestly i dont think singed is the best champion for that role but with higher skill players, champion picks that can work with this then yeah this is great but banning a person because they want to use off meta picks for support or possibly jungle is just silly.

The chance of you getting an odd or troll picker in your ranked game is very low and i can understand this can be risky if your in your promos.

But in normals... seriously!?! we can now get banned for doing non meta picks and suck at doing it.

Now i dont know about you but I recall riot allows players to try new things and this is where people from around the world can create odd item builds or champion roles that actually work.

If I'm playing normal blinds and i get forced to go support, now on my account i have rank 5 and 7 on every single support in the game but if im bored of playing those champions... then tough shit i can't use Lissandra, Darius, Rumble, Ziggs.

Again riot is now just adding more crap that is making league even worse your restricting your player base from having the freedom to pick any champion they want for a role.

Like next we are gonna have good players in low or high elo riven, wukong, twisted fate, lee sin players getting banned for going ADC or support.

League is still a popular game worldwide and its never going away but if you keep on doing more bad choices then your going to lose more of your player base.

Its a good thing that as a support main i do pretty well with my non meta picks or even if i lose some i can still get on my allies good side with a few jokes and positive attitude <3.

But seriously Riot ffs dont ban people for picking what they want to play in any role.

If I want to play these champions in these roles Twitch (top) AP Nasus (Mid) Ziggs (Jungle) Garen (support) Lee sin (adc)

I just want to play those champions and crank up the difficulty a notch or two depending on the enemy. I shouldn't get threatened with a ban for doing this. This is a bit too extreme.

Its just as cancerous as those people who think that people who rage quit one game or people who got dc'd out of a match due to power outage or internet shut down that this guy needs to be perm banned.... Its just fucking stupid.

Your ment to ban hackers, over the top abusive jerks, intentional feeders, assisting the enemy (giving away ally position and throwing allies to the enemy).

Oh but i guess this thread shouldn't get made because i might get banned for objecting to your unfair actions.

So please... just dont do this. allow your player base to have the freedom of what to pick and yes i know you guys dont like trolls but sometimes a troll pick can open your eyes to some potential.

I'm gonna expect a bunch of downvotes for this but people shouldn't get banned for their playstyles and champion picks. Thats like saying "oh this guy can't use a spaming safe character in a fighting game because he has too many safe frames and is top tier and i only use low tier characters and this is unfair so i demand this high tier picking player to get banned because i can't be assed to use exploits, moves, frames or position well enough to beat him".

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Deep Terror Nami4 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

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EDIT: grammar

Okay, so we got together with game designers, player behavior folks, and player support agents to take a hard look at this player, the penalties, and the support tickets associated with it. It's clear this wacky Smite, Support Singed plays to win. It’s also clear the player struggles to effectively communicate intentions and strategy to teammates. In this case, unwieldy communication and the wacky Smite, Support Singed pick are tightly linked. So let’s pick them apart some.

Innovative and unconventional approaches to League keep the game fresh, and finding new ways to win motivates a ton of players. We 100% support the opportunity to innovate with surprising picks and strategies in League. The only real condition we place on that right to experimentation is that you play to win. However, sometimes unconventional approaches to the game have costs that outweigh benefits. This player might have a respectable(-ish) winrate on Support Singed with Smite and no Sightstone, but the pick and build also nets them a frankly enormous number of reports and probably gives their ADC high blood pressure.

That leaves us with two tricky questions:

Q: If intentions are clearly aimed at victory, is there an outer boundary for too unconventional a pick/build/strategy? A: No.

This is where we break from the Support ticket linked in the original reddit discussion. Real talk, this player is far from the only support in Gold V to skip out on a Sightstone. No one should ever get banned for skipping Sightstone. On the other hand, asking an ADC to lane alone while their support farms the enemy jungle truly pushes that teammate out of their comfort zone and that should mean something. We can all sympathize with the lonely Miss Fortune facing down Lucian and Alistar at her own turret, and it makes sense to us when they report this Singed player.

Q: Do unconventional picks/strategies increase the burden of communications for the player and their teammates? Y: Yes.

If you're gonna throw a curveball at teammates, you also need to communicate your intentions to teammates. You shouldn’t just expect everyone to "get it", so tell them what's up. To be clear, this player does attempt to communicate intent and strategy, but a good chunk of teammates across hundreds of games just don’t want to sign up for the plan. That lack of agreement on the new plan makes for a pretty chaotic game and leads to a huge share of this player’s reports. If a teammate in champ select says, “pls no, this is game 5 of promos”, maybe stick with something conventional and skip tilting your teammates off the face of the earth. In short, argue for your idea, but stay ready to be flexible.

In the same vein, teammates should be willing give unconventional picks/strategies a fair shot. They could surprise your opponents more than they surprise you. We need to leave plenty of space for experimentation in League (Hi Support MF), even if it sometimes leaves us in less than perfectly comfy games.

If you're about to play stunbot Twisted Fate tank support with Talisman, Righteous Glory, and Protobelt, let your team know the special kind of hell you're aiming to create for your enemies, and how they should adjust their expectations and approach to the game. If, instead of that, you wholly fail to communicate, or completely disrupt game after game, it makes sense that you’d rack up a ton of reports, net manual reviews and even potential penalties from Player Support.

The net result is that players, if playing to win, have a fundamental right to experiment in League. It’s good for the game. At the same time, common sense and good sportsmanship say that experimenting players need to clearly communicate intent and win conditions to their teammates.

In this Singed player’s case, the two-week ban’s already expired. For what it’s worth, we believe the penalty was warranted because in literally hundreds of games the player inflicted a huge amount of disruption on players who didn’t agree to their chemistry experiments. On the other hand, the player’s communication issues fall well short of permaban territory, and in retrospect the threat of a perma in the Player Support response was a bit much. We also see marked improvement in their efforts communicate with teammates in more recent games. It’s worth mentioning that cases like these are handled by humans and any player in a (pretty dang rare) situation like this can request further detail and a full review from Player Support.

Still, with intent to win confirmed, gameplay experimentation and innovation is something we stand behind even if it ruffles feathers. After all, conventional picks lose half their games too. We think this player could still do a much better job of communicating with teammates, but we also believe players should be more tolerant of different approaches to the game. The line here is the player repeatedly showing no flexibility in the face of resistance to their strategies, and consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times.

Dynikus2 votes

they want to use off meta picks for support

yeah, that's not the problem at all. Riot will never ban you for playing a champion in a role they're not intended to be played in. They will ban you for queueing as support, leaving your adc to 1v2, and counter jungling or proxying as a support. Because you're not playing the role you queued as, and you're potentially ruining the game for 9 other people.

I'm not sure why people don't understand this, it's like they read headlines "player banned for playing singed support" then don't read any further.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

Thats still a silly thing to do so like if im a fed karma support and i want to proxy farm to speed up the pushing since im already too far from the massive minion farm near ally tower.

Again. this is silly and meaningness.

Basicly riot wants us to fall in line and always be in the same position as always. we have no rights to move to other locations. I can't even be allowed to go morgana full ap support then at 2:40 invade the enemy jungler and first blood him or the mid laner. (after pushing bot lane of course and warning my adc of course)

So now i cannot go first blood invading 1v1 the jungler. I cannot gank top lane to let my over fed adc go 1v2.

Again Riot's reasons are seriously flawed.

Riot is putting a leash on the community preventing us from doing unexpected plays.

So now i have to stay bot lane or get fucked with a ban. im no longer allowed to gank top lane.

Sorry but im not putting up with this.

If i have the chance to predict a jungler posiiton and first blood him or proxy farm when me and my adc are over fed and we just push the lane by proxy farming..... I can't do that anymore basicly riot is telling use support mains to "get fuk'd"

Riot staff i want a long chat about this NOW! because restricting a player's choice and own performance is toxic itself and we should have a right to play how we see fit aslong as it tilts the enemy.

Rip me a new one if you want im still standing against this and I will refuse to play support and pretend i dont have rank 7 supports untill riot pulls this ban law... yes its silly and im just one random guy and you may find this hilarious but im still standing against this.

Dynikus1 votes

you're overreacting, and not fully comprehending why singed got a 2 week ban.

Riot staff i want a long chat about this NOW!

they already made a very lengthy post specifically about this event, which deep terror nami was kind enough to quote.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

Doesn't matter If I can't be allowed to try bizzare picks even if i explain or not or just want t commit a full day of one champion regardless of a role i shouldn't get banned (btw i do this in normals not ranked).

This all applies to everyone else.

Also take into account that team mates can be backstabbing scumbags you can explain things in game or lobby and they still report you to the nth dimension if you win or lose.

This has happened to me even when i do average in carrying a match in a proper meta pick. People are backstabbing assholes no matter how many times you explain anything to them.

Idc if this singed didn't communicate or how useful or useless he was, he still has a right to play as he wants and he doesn't need to speak to his team mates.

Like for ffs he has nearly 3million mastery points, do you really think he is going to talk to everysingle team about his intentions on how he is going to play? of course he isn't. So with that added excuse he shouldn't get a point to be banned for no communication also riot in the past never banned people for no communication infact most people dont really type in chat and use pings while ultimates and flashes are only typed in chat or allies will admit they make mistakes like "MB".

Dynikus1 votes

he still has a right to play as he wants and he doesn't need to speak to his team mates.

yeah no, that's bullshit. league is a team game, and if you're going to try something weird or experimental, it's common courtesy to let your team know first and make sure they're okay with it. Because your decisions effect 9 other players per game, not just yourself. Ruining the game for other people isn't okay, and is punishable for obvious reasons. Obviously a majority of players weren't okay with it, or else he wouldn't have gotten hundreds of reports for doing it. Riot was pretty clear why he was punished and what future punishment will or won't be, so just read it. There's really nothing more to say on the matter.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

{quoted}

yeah no, that's bullshit. league is a team game, and if you're going to try something weird or experimental, it's common courtesy to let your team know first and make sure they're okay with it. Because your decisions effect 9 other players per game, not just yourself. Ruining the game for other people isn't okay, and is punishable for obvious reasons. Obviously a majority of players weren't okay with it, or else he wouldn't have gotten hundreds of reports for doing it. Riot was pretty clear why he was punished and what future punishment will or won't be, so just read it. There's really nothing more to say on the matter.

If your ruining a ranked game i get this is somewhat of a problem because communication is important but what about normals? (people should have good reactions in the first place and should git gud).

Regardless this strict new rule is enough for me to retire support for good for all game modes.

I dont care how many salty players aren't ok with this. Riot is ment to allow people to do picks as they want and this shows they are lying.

I don't care if i play my best supports like Taric, Janna, Sona, Blitzcrank, thresh, morgana, karma tahm kench. im now freaking afraid to ever play support again, i can't go roaming to help others, i can't 1v1 junglers when i know i can whup em good. I can't go stealing enemy jungler buffs, i can't go to help top lane and i always care about my team so im now ment to stay bot lane with my adc and can't go with anyone else anymore.

I cant go roaming with junglers like lee sin who needs more wards to dash around, volibear, skarner, udyr and others.

I can't go helping mid either so fuck me as a support main. as a support main i feel shat on and can't do shep about this so if im restricted on my actions and champion and item picks then i will refuse to play support in any game mode untill riot stops this I dont want my account banned and im not taking these risks anymore because of this singed rustled up some bad players who can't coordinate at all.

Riot allow supports to have the freedom what they want to do. Untill then well as a support main you've lost one and i hope you guys enjoy longer queue times and more accidental failures to click "accept" resulting in draft pick lobbies lasting longer.

Bye! Conversation over I've spoken and I will stay with what I've said.

My own rank 7 supports for now on do not exist on my account and neither does the bot lane.

Dynikus1 votes

again, you're overreacting, and not fully comprehending why singed got a 2 week ban.

You can choose to be childish and just plug your ears and ignore what riot's said if you want. You're simply misunderstanding it and shooting yourself in the foot by choosing to not play your main role.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

May as well ban miss fortune support players and velkoz supports.

Oh i will feel sorry if someone brings back pantheon and chogath support.

Why not just ban people who don't pick a support champion and dont play fair.

Your ment to tilt the enemy in either way possible regardless of who your playing if im playing competively i dont want to pick champions that are just super easy to counter i want to play the most evilist bastard i can use against the enemy while also protecting or the adc with a support spell or using a zoning move to keep a good distance like ziggs, lux velkoz.

Oh wait i will get banned for using them even if i play good.

IDC I don't want to get banned so i may as well quit support if riot is putting a leash on me and ordering me like some nightmarish parents who batter their kids for doing something thats not even a bad thing.

Just no you don't shit on supports like this and expect everything to be all roses and rainbows. we can play as we see fit.

Oh should i also mention that if your adc even before a match starts is some toxic little annoyance who just flames the hell out of you for no reason and all he/she ever does is just stay under tower and chat shiz and not act like a proper adc then that means i can't leave them due to their ignorance. im fucked i have to put up with this jerk raging for no reason from the game lobby to 10 minutes into the game like i've had some adcs who just act like this for no bloody reason and yes i can mute but that doesn't change the fact they are still being salty so why bother being with him/her i may as well go with someone else who will cooperate because im just waisting my time.

So you and riot are saying that supports should just get screwed with sticking with a rager adc (even before the game starts) and we can't leave them no matter at how they hinder you by not making moves heck i've had some that never left the tower.

No, supports shouldn't get shit like this we have rights to leave our toxic adcs or temporarly leave our over fed adcs to help other lanes as we see fit.

I care about coordinating with my team, i want to win and tilt the enemy as much as possible, not get punished for playing how i want to that isn't feeding or flaming in chat. but no some of the new laws that the great old power riot gods have laid before us now makes us criminals and we should get banned and never play league again.

This is stupid and im not putting up with this. If i get support then im dodging unless im with my friends if they actually care about league since most of us have moved on and some are less interested in league due to unwanted changes and the game just being old and getting too easy.

So yeah im not taking my chances i rather dodge a queue if i have to go support in soloQ unless a rare chance i can convince my friends to play league and not get reported for my own bizare good actions.

Dynikus1 votes

yeah, I'm not reading all of that. You're hearing what you want to hear, and not what's actually being said. Best of luck to you.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

Then you've lost this argument and everything you've said is 100% invalid.

Don't get in the fire if you can't handle it. I will refuse to play support with these strict rules stuck onto support mains and will continue ranting about this until riot loosens the strains or removes it entirely.

And if i do get forced to support i can just simply dodge and play other games.

Dynikus1 votes

lol okay There's just no point in trying to continue the discussion, because you're being completely irrational and not listening to what's being said.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

Of course i am.

Its just that you, everyone's opinion have big flaws in them.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

Okay okay i've overacted but still its... well you know i don't have to repeat myself :P.

take care.

Flaherty2 votes

The enjoyment of an individual shouldn't come as a sacrifice to the enjoyment of the rest of the team. You can get a group of friends to play with you or ask your team beforehand if they're okay with your non traditional playstyle and you'll be fine. I think most people don't really care what you pick for a role as long as it makes some sense and it's a normal game, the problem with the singed support issue was that he was playing in a way that was very counter to what the role of support is traditionally seen as and the way he played was seen as a massive detriment to the team, not so much the fact that he picked a champion that's non meta.

Swiftstrike41 votes

You clearly didn't pay much attention too or read much about Riot's response to the Singed ban.

He was mostly banned for not communicating with teammates more than anything else. He basically did whatever he wanted and riot came out and stated that they did not ban him for an off-meta pick, they banned him for not communicating with teammates regularly.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

But your not ment to be banned for not communicating with team mates.

This is why the game seriously needs an advanced ping system similar to dota2 and smite.

I used to be fine with not communicating with team mates so now im forced to type and constantly communicate with team mates even if i just want to use pings and ping any summoner spell on an enemy champion.

but the pings are still badly done and should have better more clear information.

Sorry but this is just ridiculous, scald me with downvotes my opinion still stands that players have rights to pick who they want and not communicate.

People should be watching the map in the first place and its riot's fault their ping system is flawed with poor information.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Who said anything about ping?

All the guy did is just copy-pasting the same Singed strat to each of his teams in different games, but did not gave a single shit about whether his team likes it or not. He was told multiple times to not pick it, but again, he forced it on his teammates anyway. This is what everyone meant about "refusal to communicate".

In-game, he did not do anything relatively close to Support at all, judging from his actions by taking his jungler's camp & counter-jungles as a "support", while also leaving his ADC to 1v2 about 5 minutes in to starve from cs.

He was not banned for non-meta picks. He was banned for constantly providing hellish experiences to each & every of his teammates in different games with his stubborn gameplay which none of his teammates asked for, and that is what got him punished.

LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes

So what? he can play as he sees fit aslong as he isn't flaming or intentionally feeding.

And if team mates blame a singed for not doing things then they are complete trash im sorry but if you can't work with a singed. your bad. and those people who reported him are clearly bad players who lack any common sense to use the right moves and champions.

To put it like this "Git gud".

Also yeah ban singed support players but Miss fortune, velkoz, are just fine when they aren't even ment to be built for the support role and steal adc's kills and do more damage than them.

Yeah why not ban those Miss Fortune and Velkoz support players.

see everything you and the rest of the group here says I have a valid counter to your counter to my arguement.

It all comes down to one thing "Riot is ment to allow players to pick champions in any roles and play them in anyway".

You and riot are breaking that rule proving that your a bunch of liars and riot needs to change this rule right now even though im not in favour of this change. they are still lying and players/customers when it comes to anything should never get false advertisement or "Lied" to.

I'm sorry im just telling the truth that everything that the community and riot is saying is aload of bull and I will take this to my account's grave idgaf how silly this is im taking this to my account's grave that this is aload of bull.

Untill riot loosens the strains i will refuse to play support forever in any game mode untill riot stops being so strict with us support mains we are not slaves ffs.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Ffs, for the last time, HE DID NOT GET BANNED FOR PICKING OFF-META PICKS.

And second:

In-game, he did not do anything relatively close to Support at all, judging from his actions by taking his jungler's camp & counter-jungles as a "support", while also leaving his ADC to 1v2 about 5 minutes in to starve from cs.

Why are you ignoring this part? Are you implying that there are MF & Velkoz supports who also afks from Bot lane for 5 minutes just to take Smite/Ghost and steal his jungler's farm & also counter-jungles?

There's nothing to git gud about. The Singed player voluntarily made his ADC & jungler at a disadvantage due to his XP stealing & his "jungling" activities.

Good god, you STILL don't understand a thing of what's going on.....

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