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So riot will now ban you for doing something new thats non meta (im afraid of this)

LEEROY KLEDKINS·11/18/2016, 11:21:26 PM·1 votes·782 views

We all know about the recent singed support and honestly i dont think singed is the best champion for that role but with higher skill players, champion picks that can work with this then yeah this is great but banning a person because they want to use off meta picks for support or possibly jungle is just silly.

The chance of you getting an odd or troll picker in your ranked game is very low and i can understand this can be risky if your in your promos.

But in normals... seriously!?! we can now get banned for doing non meta picks and suck at doing it.

Now i dont know about you but I recall riot allows players to try new things and this is where people from around the world can create odd item builds or champion roles that actually work.

If I'm playing normal blinds and i get forced to go support, now on my account i have rank 5 and 7 on every single support in the game but if im bored of playing those champions... then tough shit i can't use Lissandra, Darius, Rumble, Ziggs.

Again riot is now just adding more crap that is making league even worse your restricting your player base from having the freedom to pick any champion they want for a role.

Like next we are gonna have good players in low or high elo riven, wukong, twisted fate, lee sin players getting banned for going ADC or support.

League is still a popular game worldwide and its never going away but if you keep on doing more bad choices then your going to lose more of your player base.

Its a good thing that as a support main i do pretty well with my non meta picks or even if i lose some i can still get on my allies good side with a few jokes and positive attitude <3.

But seriously Riot ffs dont ban people for picking what they want to play in any role.

If I want to play these champions in these roles Twitch (top) AP Nasus (Mid) Ziggs (Jungle) Garen (support) Lee sin (adc)

I just want to play those champions and crank up the difficulty a notch or two depending on the enemy. I shouldn't get threatened with a ban for doing this. This is a bit too extreme.

Its just as cancerous as those people who think that people who rage quit one game or people who got dc'd out of a match due to power outage or internet shut down that this guy needs to be perm banned.... Its just fucking stupid.

Your ment to ban hackers, over the top abusive jerks, intentional feeders, assisting the enemy (giving away ally position and throwing allies to the enemy).

Oh but i guess this thread shouldn't get made because i might get banned for objecting to your unfair actions.

So please... just dont do this. allow your player base to have the freedom of what to pick and yes i know you guys dont like trolls but sometimes a troll pick can open your eyes to some potential.

I'm gonna expect a bunch of downvotes for this but people shouldn't get banned for their playstyles and champion picks. Thats like saying "oh this guy can't use a spaming safe character in a fighting game because he has too many safe frames and is top tier and i only use low tier characters and this is unfair so i demand this high tier picking player to get banned because i can't be assed to use exploits, moves, frames or position well enough to beat him".

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Deep Terror Nami11/18/2016, 11:30:10 PM4 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

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EDIT: grammar

Okay, so we got together with game designers, player behavior folks, and player support agents to take a hard look at this player, the penalties, and the support tickets associated with it. It's clear this wacky Smite, Support Singed plays to win. It’s also clear the player struggles to effectively communicate intentions and strategy to teammates. In this case, unwieldy communication and the wacky Smite, Support Singed pick are tightly linked. So let’s pick them apart some.

Innovative and unconventional approaches to League keep the game fresh, and finding new ways to win motivates a ton of players. We 100% support the opportunity to innovate with surprising picks and strategies in League. The only real condition we place on that right to experimentation is that you play to win. However, sometimes unconventional approaches to the game have costs that outweigh benefits. This player might have a respectable(-ish) winrate on Support Singed with Smite and no Sightstone, but the pick and build also nets them a frankly enormous number of reports and probably gives their ADC high blood pressure.

That leaves us with two tricky questions:

Q: If intentions are clearly aimed at victory, is there an outer boundary for too unconventional a pick/build/strategy? A: No.

This is where we break from the Support ticket linked in the original reddit discussion. Real talk, this player is far from the only support in Gold V to skip out on a Sightstone. No one should ever get banned for skipping Sightstone. On the other hand, asking an ADC to lane alone while their support farms the enemy jungle truly pushes that teammate out of their comfort zone and that should mean something. We can all sympathize with the lonely Miss Fortune facing down Lucian and Alistar at her own turret, and it makes sense to us when they report this Singed player.

Q: Do unconventional picks/strategies increase the burden of communications for the player and their teammates? Y: Yes.

If you're gonna throw a curveball at teammates, you also need to communicate your intentions to teammates. You shouldn’t just expect everyone to "get it", so tell them what's up. To be clear, this player does attempt to communicate intent and strategy, but a good chunk of teammates across hundreds of games just don’t want to sign up for the plan. That lack of agreement on the new plan makes for a pretty chaotic game and leads to a huge share of this player’s reports. If a teammate in champ select says, “pls no, this is game 5 of promos”, maybe stick with something conventional and skip tilting your teammates off the face of the earth. In short, argue for your idea, but stay ready to be flexible.

In the same vein, teammates should be willing give unconventional picks/strategies a fair shot. They could surprise your opponents more than they surprise you. We need to leave plenty of space for experimentation in League (Hi Support MF), even if it sometimes leaves us in less than perfectly comfy games.

If you're about to play stunbot Twisted Fate tank support with Talisman, Righteous Glory, and Protobelt, let your team know the special kind of hell you're aiming to create for your enemies, and how they should adjust their expectations and approach to the game. If, instead of that, you wholly fail to communicate, or completely disrupt game after game, it makes sense that you’d rack up a ton of reports, net manual reviews and even potential penalties from Player Support.

The net result is that players, if playing to win, have a fundamental right to experiment in League. It’s good for the game. At the same time, common sense and good sportsmanship say that experimenting players need to clearly communicate intent and win conditions to their teammates.

In this Singed player’s case, the two-week ban’s already expired. For what it’s worth, we believe the penalty was warranted because in literally hundreds of games the player inflicted a huge amount of disruption on players who didn’t agree to their chemistry experiments. On the other hand, the player’s communication issues fall well short of permaban territory, and in retrospect the threat of a perma in the Player Support response was a bit much. We also see marked improvement in their efforts communicate with teammates in more recent games. It’s worth mentioning that cases like these are handled by humans and any player in a (pretty dang rare) situation like this can request further detail and a full review from Player Support.

Still, with intent to win confirmed, gameplay experimentation and innovation is something we stand behind even if it ruffles feathers. After all, conventional picks lose half their games too. We think this player could still do a much better job of communicating with teammates, but we also believe players should be more tolerant of different approaches to the game. The line here is the player repeatedly showing no flexibility in the face of resistance to their strategies, and consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times.

Dynikus11/18/2016, 11:28:22 PM2 votes

they want to use off meta picks for support

yeah, that's not the problem at all. Riot will never ban you for playing a champion in a role they're not intended to be played in. They will ban you for queueing as support, leaving your adc to 1v2, and counter jungling or proxying as a support. Because you're not playing the role you queued as, and you're potentially ruining the game for 9 other people.

I'm not sure why people don't understand this, it's like they read headlines "player banned for playing singed support" then don't read any further.

Flaherty11/18/2016, 11:31:35 PM2 votes

The enjoyment of an individual shouldn't come as a sacrifice to the enjoyment of the rest of the team. You can get a group of friends to play with you or ask your team beforehand if they're okay with your non traditional playstyle and you'll be fine. I think most people don't really care what you pick for a role as long as it makes some sense and it's a normal game, the problem with the singed support issue was that he was playing in a way that was very counter to what the role of support is traditionally seen as and the way he played was seen as a massive detriment to the team, not so much the fact that he picked a champion that's non meta.

Swiftstrike411/18/2016, 11:33:06 PM1 votes

You clearly didn't pay much attention too or read much about Riot's response to the Singed ban.

He was mostly banned for not communicating with teammates more than anything else. He basically did whatever he wanted and riot came out and stated that they did not ban him for an off-meta pick, they banned him for not communicating with teammates regularly.