"GG" as a faux pas?

Razzola·Apr 16, 2015·15 votes·1,679 views

Have you ever thought that the phrase "gg" has become a very inappropriate phrase in most situations? While many people argue that the act of saying "gg" is a show of good sportsmanship, I would argue that very seldom is the phrase used as such. It is actually arguably and ironically a show of bad sportsmanship.

If we look at the explicit meaning of "gg" or "good game," one would simply infer the meaning as "this was a good game." However, there are many more deeper, implied meanings of "gg / good game" that are derived from the contextual factors of when it is said.

For instance, when your team is losing horribly in the beginning of the game, saying "gg surrender at 20" does not mean, "This was a great game! But I think we should surrender at 20." Rather, simply put, it means "We lose." And it has a negative air to it rather than a positive--i.e. the implicit meaning. On the same token, people on the winning team who say "gg" prior to the enemy team actually losing are likely meaning "Ha. We win." It is no wonder that the phrase "gg ez" has been coined because the two go hand in hand. In this case, "gg ez" means "Ha. We win. And it was effortless."

While you may agree with me that both of those situations are inappropriate applications of the term "gg," where we might differ is when "gg" is said at the end of the game--when the losing team has actually lost. In my opinion, I believe that when the winning team says "gg" first, they are committing a faux pas. I feel it is only appropriate for the winning team to say "gg" if a member of the losing team has said it first. Otherwise, it comes off the same way as when the winning team says it way in advance. It comes off as synonymous with "I win." Because when I personally see someone on the winning team say "gg" after our team surrenders at 20, I think two things: 1. Yea, it was a good game...FOR YOU. and 2. How was this a good game? Do you legitimately think we played well? For pete's sake, we surrendered at 20 minutes... Thus, I believe this situation is also inappropriate.

In my humble opinion, I believe there is only one appropriate place for the phrase "gg" to be uttered by the winning team, and that is AFTER the losing team has said it. If the losing team has admitted that it was a good game for them, then it becomes appropriate for the winning team to say so as well. Otherwise, it comes off a bit boastful.

Personally, I like to lose my games in complete silence.

Do you folks agree / disagree?

69 Comments

EleshakaiApr 16, 20157 votes

When I say GG, what I mean is "Thank you for a good game everyone".

If I'm saying 'it's over' I say 'well, that's game there' and then I'll say 'gg' afterwards meaning... thank you for a good game everyone. lol

And I consider EVERY game to be good, because every game was a chance for me to learn more. Every game was a chance for me to improve. And every game is fun, because if it weren't I wouldn't be playing.

JubbinautApr 16, 20154 votes

Op, even though I disagree with you (I sense a touch of negativity bias), I'm offering upvotes for your use of faux pas (and correct spelling, too!).

That said, here's my thoughts on the matter:

Most of the time when players say "gg," it's nothing more than a verbal handshake - not unlike those forced on teams in kids sports. The literal definition, I think, actually obscures that. It's less about whether it was a "good game," and more a way of offering at least respect for the opposing team.

This is why the only time I don't offer a "gg" - regardless of who wins - is if members of the enemy team were being jerks (constant emote spam, all-chat digs, and the like). The animosity they engender kills the respect I would usually offer.

All of this is not to say that it's never misused. But I suspect it's more often mis-interpreted than misused.

RazzolaApr 16, 20151 votes

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Op, even though I disagree with you (I sense a touch of negativity bias), I'm offering upvotes for your use of faux pas (and correct spelling, too!).

That said, here's my thoughts on the matter:

Most of the time when players say "gg," it's nothing more than a verbal handshake - not unlike those forced on teams in kids sports. The literal definition, I think, actually obscures that. It's less about whether it was a "good game," and more a way of offering at least respect for the opposing team.

This is why the only time I don't offer a "gg" - regardless of who wins - is if members of the enemy team were being jerks (constant emote spam, all-chat digs, and the like). The animosity they engender kills the respect I would usually offer.

All of this is not to say that it's never misused. But I suspect it's more often mis-interpreted than misused.

I just feel like the original verbal handshake, which "gg" was intended to be, has somewhat become lost with time. Generally, when I win or lose a game, rather than saying "gg," I say "well played." Even though, as you said, the literal meaning of "gg" is not what is implied, I feel like "well played" is a better end game salute.

Edit: Also, I agree. It's probably misinterpreted way more frequently than it's misused. Nonetheless, first, I argue that even though their intention may be pure in throwing out that handshake at the end, I believe it is the losing team that should offer their hand first. Second, there are still plenty of applications used regularly where it is misused (e.g. "gg ez" or "gg noobs").

JubbinautApr 16, 20151 votes

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I just feel like the original verbal handshake, which "gg" was intended to be, has somewhat become lost with time. Generally, when I win or lose a game, rather than saying "gg," I say "well played." Even though, as you said, the literal meaning of "gg" is not what is implied, I feel like "well played" is a better end game salute.

Edit: Also, I agree. It's probably misinterpreted way more frequently than it's misused. Nonetheless, first, I argue that even though their intention may be pure in throwing out that handshake at the end, I believe it is the losing team that should offer their hand first. Second, there are still plenty of applications used regularly where it is misused (e.g. "gg ez" or "gg noobs").

I like "wp" as well, and is perhaps more accurate to the intent. Honestly, my usual salute is "ggwpwp." I don't really know how it's taken by some people, but it feels appropriate to me.

Still, I don't think it's disrespectful to be the first to offer that, regardless of which side. In fact, I think it can be seen as more respectful, depending on how it's presented. I agree that it's too often misused, and too often combined in a disrespectful way, and far too often said far too early. I personally try to be sure to wait until the nexus is falling or the surrender vote is in.

Which, now I think about it, is perhaps worth mentioning: personally, I try not to be the first to offer a salute when my opponent's surrender. And if there's other circumstances (a leaver, for example), I try to explicitly offer sympathy for it.

BlackzaanApr 17, 20154 votes

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That said, here's my thoughts on the matter:

Most of the time when players say "gg," it's nothing more than a verbal handshake - not unlike those forced on teams in kids sports. The literal definition, I think, actually obscures that. It's less about whether it was a "good game," and more a way of offering at least respect for the opposing team.

There's a big difference between "gg" and a handshake at the end of a sporting event. In the context of a sporting event, shaking someone's hand and saying "good game", isn't also used to taunt opponents during the game. A football player doesn't sack a QB and shake his hand and say "good game". Furthermore, when shaking your opponent's hand at the end of a game, you're doing it face to face, and if one guy is going to be a jerk, you know who he is and he can face the consequences, either then or next time the two teams face off.

In League, "gg" has taken on the form of a taunt, a negative connotation of giving up, etc. etc. In most cases does it mean "good game" genuinely? Absolutely. However, it can also be interpreted by the losing team as "rubbing it in" or a taunt, because "gg" is used for those things as well.

Admitted, I often take it negatively, especially in situations where my team gets rolled 40-20 in a 30 minute game. Especially when there was trash talking going on during the game (which their usually seems to be) My advice would be to either just use "gg" internally with your own team until the opposing team offers it up on their own.

My two cents.

JubbinautApr 17, 20152 votes

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There's a big difference between "gg" and a handshake at the end of a sporting event. In the context of a sporting event, shaking someone's hand and saying "good game", isn't also used to taunt opponents during the game. A football player doesn't sack a QB and shake his hand and say "good game". Furthermore, when shaking your opponent's hand at the end of a game, you're doing it face to face, and if one guy is going to be a jerk, you know who he is and he can face the consequences, either then or next time the two teams face off.

That is - and always has been - the intent of "gg." And while it may be used by those who could be used as textbook definitions for "unsportsmanlike," that doesn't negate the intent of the term.

In League, "gg" has taken on the form of a taunt, a negative connotation of giving up, etc. etc. In most cases does it mean "good game" genuinely? Absolutely. However, it can also be interpreted by the losing team as "rubbing it in" or a taunt, because "gg" is used for those things as well.

Sure it can be used that way, but it needn't be. In the same way, a handshake can be used to demonstrate dominance or taunt one's opponent. But the fact that it can - and even is - shouldn't inherently negate the value of it.

I feel it's better to "take it back" than let it go that way.

Admitted, I often take it negatively, especially in situations where my team gets rolled 40-20 in a 30 minute game. Especially when there was trash talking going on during the game (which their usually seems to be) My advice would be to either just use "gg" internally with your own team until the opposing team offers it up on their own.

Fair enough. And I I strongly believe that it's up to each person how they use the term - and that, so long as the intent is positive or sportsmanlike, there's no problem. I do think, though, that this is one of those places where Negativity Bias is only too common. I know I often see it negatively at times where I can later (out of the moment) recognize that it wasn't intended that way.

BlackzaanApr 17, 20152 votes

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That is - and always has been - the intent of "gg." And while it may be used by those who could be used as textbook definitions for "unsportsmanlike," that doesn't negate the intent of the term.

I would disagree. That might have been the original intent however long ago, but that's not exclusively how the term is used now. Now it's used with the intention to taunt and ridicule an opponent (in the scenarios I described earlier).

Same goes for face-to-face communication. What you INTEND to say doesn't mean you don't have to choose your words carefully. I don't go around using the word "niggardly" (it's a non-offensive word people, relax) because I know it can be misconstrued to mean something incredibly offensive. Is that the intent or meaning of the word? No. But I don't say it because I know it can be easily misinterpreted.

If your intent is to congratulate the opposing team on what you honestly thing was an enjoyable game, then I suggest using something that has a much clearer and concise meaning than "gg". "Well played" was actually a good suggestion, mainly because I don't think I've ever seen that term used in a negative context.

My only suggestion was to hold off saying "gg" immediately after securing victory in a game. I think given how people misuse "gg", it doesn't have the same effect or intent as it originally might have. Is any of this conversation here going to change it's use? Absolutely not. I just wanted to throw in my interpretation of why I tend to agree with most of what the OP had to say.

warpenguin555Apr 16, 20152 votes

yes and no. saying GG at the end of a game is fine, but GG we lost ff @ 20 is being an ass

GroundRuleDoubleApr 16, 20152 votes

There are many times when it's okay to say "gg", even if you are the winning team. A 50 minute long game that was back and forth and I end up winning, it's okay if I say "gg" first. However, in the context of League, "gg" no longer means "good game" but it means "the game is over." And I HATE IT!!!! I hate after about 10 minutes, we are doubled in kills, and a teammate saying "it's gg". They are not saying "it's a good game." They are saying "the game is over." I hate it. That's not what "gg" means. "GG" means "good game" and nothing else. I'm glad to see that it bugs someone else.

CubedJusticeApr 16, 20151 votes

It's rude to say it, yes, but GG means whatever it's been turned into meaning. That's the evolution of language; words get added, and meanings change. It's a little bit silly to act as if words don't change. Don't cling to the past, my friend, or the world will pass you by.

KinjishiApr 17, 20151 votes

Sometimes, the only way to change where things are headed... is to look where they have been. What it meant initially may have been the best meaning, so use it instead of "going with the flow".

CubedJusticeApr 17, 20151 votes

I can agree with that. However, it's not worth ignoring the new meaning as well, and acting like it doesn't exist.

EleshakaiApr 17, 20151 votes

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I can agree with that. However, it's not worth ignoring the new meaning as well, and acting like it doesn't exist.

But the only way it will go away is if we all pretend it doesn't exist. If EVERY TIME someone says gg - no matter how they intend it - you take it as the sportsmanlike version, and everyone else does as well... over time, they'll stop using it to taunt because it is ineffective. It is BECAUSE it offends people and BECAUSE they expect the negative version that it is able to become so prevalent.

CubedJusticeApr 17, 20151 votes

It's better to make the most of what you have and cannot leave, than what you want, and cannot have.

EleshakaiApr 17, 20151 votes

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It's better to make the most of what you have and cannot leave, than what you want, and cannot have.

How is that relevant? There's no reason you can't act as if they're being sportsmanlike and deny them the pleasure of getting a rise out of you. And if someone else sees it, it may spread. Just because you can't change everyone, doesn't mean you can't change YOURSELF and act as a role model. There's no reason to let them win, is there?

CubedJusticeApr 17, 20151 votes

You're really making this up as you go along, aren't you? "If EVERY TIME someone says gg - no matter how they intend it - you take it as the sportsmanlike version, and everyone else does as well..."

"Just because you can't change everyone, doesn't mean you can't change YOURSELF "

EleshakaiApr 17, 20151 votes

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You're really making this up as you go along, aren't you? "If EVERY TIME someone says gg - no matter how they intend it - you take it as the sportsmanlike version, and everyone else does as well..."

"Just because you can't change everyone, doesn't mean you can't change YOURSELF "

The reality is that 'everyone' always starts with 1 person. There's never been a movement where everyone just simultaneously decided something without prompting. This is a bit deep for this type of subject, but all you can do is what you can and hope for the best. But there's no reason to let them have their way.

CubedJusticeApr 17, 20151 votes

Let's say they meant it rudely. And you knew it. What would your reaction be? Probably nothing, because there's no need to have a fit over it. And if they meant it kindly, you very well might do the same thing. In many cases for many people, they have indentical reactions. So a change would be no change.

EleshakaiApr 17, 20151 votes

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Let's say they meant it rudely. And you knew it. What would your reaction be? Probably nothing, because there's no need to have a fit over it. And if they meant it kindly, you very well might do the same thing. In many cases for many people, they have indentical reactions. So a change would be no change.

But that's the point. If I treat it the same way, that is to say in a polite and friendly way showing good sportsmanship, the people who mean it sincerely will get satisfaction while the people who don't mean it sincerely DON'T get the satisfaction of getting a rise out of me and thus MAY be subconsciously discouraged from their actions. That alone is a win/win and enough to make it worth doing.

If someone else decides to take after my example, even better. But even assuming that never happens, still worth it.

KarlyrApr 16, 20151 votes

Sometimes, imo, saying gg, even at the end of the game, is just pure insult. saying GG as the winning team in the 4v5 is somewhat insulting.

It wasn't a good game... I had to struggle in a 4v5 for about 20 minutes before i could either surrender either get my ass handed to me.

I'm not even saying GG if I win a 4v5, I just just go, "bg sry for the leaver"

EleshakaiApr 16, 20153 votes

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Sometimes, imo, saying gg, even at the end of the game, is just pure insult. saying GG as the winning team in the 4v5 is somewhat insulting.

It wasn't a good game... I had to struggle in a 4v5 for about 20 minutes before i could either surrender either get my ass handed to me.

I'm not even saying GG if I win a 4v5, I just just go, "bg sry for the leaver"

I still consider those good games. Because I still had fun.

KarlyrApr 16, 20152 votes

You still having fun is far from meaning the ennemy team had fun. A good game means (to me) something fair and somewhat close. You'll never see me say GG unless the game was close and even.

EleshakaiApr 16, 20153 votes

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You still having fun is far from meaning the ennemy team had fun. A good game means (to me) something fair and somewhat close. You'll never see me say GG unless the game was close and even.

I still have fun even if I'm on the 4v5 side. A good game is any game that was fun. Because that's what I play games for - fun. So if a game provides me with that, it's good.

PRobably the most fun game I've ever had we were like 1-40 and we started just messing around trying to race to the enemy base to see who could make it the furthest before dying. It became a joke between us and the enemy team. It definitely wasn't close... but everyone was laughing and chatting.

KarlyrApr 16, 20151 votes

yeah, that's not the same. But (I'm always on the ranked example...) in ranked, saying GG WP in a 4v5 is far from being respectful. It's in fact quite the opposite.

But I completly agree, if both teams are just messing with the game, then it's a GG and it's a fun game. But these cases are rather rare.

EleshakaiApr 16, 20151 votes

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yeah, that's not the same. But (I'm always on the ranked example...) in ranked, saying GG WP in a 4v5 is far from being respectful. It's in fact quite the opposite.

But I completly agree, if both teams are just messing with the game, then it's a GG and it's a fun game. But these cases are rather rare.

But again... even in ranked it's still a game so fun is the objective. Every other person in that game contributed to me having fun. So I am thanking them for their contribution by saying 'gg'. How is that anything but respectful? Even if it's a 4v5 and we got trashed, or its a 4v5 and we wrecked them... they still contributed to the game and, in my eyes, it would be disrespectful to not acknowledge that.

PubgamerAUApr 17, 20151 votes

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But again... even in ranked it's still a game so fun is the objective. Every other person in that game contributed to me having fun. So I am thanking them for their contribution by saying 'gg'. How is that anything but respectful? Even if it's a 4v5 and we got trashed, or its a 4v5 and we wrecked them... they still contributed to the game and, in my eyes, it would be disrespectful to not acknowledge that.

Not everyone shares your definition of fun. Trying to say "I had fun in this game, therefore you are required to also have had fun in this game" is a rather asshole-istic approach to things. The only thing you can be sure of, in ANY game, is that YOU had fun. Saying GG just because YOU had fun, is bad manners.

tl;dr Stop assuming the other team had fun. Don't say gg unless you're on the losing team or the losing team says it first.

EleshakaiApr 17, 20151 votes

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Not everyone shares your definition of fun. Trying to say "I had fun in this game, therefore you are required to also have had fun in this game" is a rather asshole-istic approach to things. The only thing you can be sure of, in ANY game, is that YOU had fun. Saying GG just because YOU had fun, is bad manners.

tl;dr Stop assuming the other team had fun. Don't say gg unless you're on the losing team or the losing team says it first.

I never said they HAVE to have had fun, I'm merely thanking them for their contribution in my having fun. Being respectful. I never once said 'you had better have had fun or else'.

Stop taking things way out of context. It's a simple statement of gratitude and respect for their contribution to the enjoyment that I HOPE we shared.

It is also basic sportsmanship - a verbal handshake. Not doing it is bad sportsmanship to the way I was raised.

PubgamerAUApr 18, 20151 votes

You don't think saying "Thanks for providing me entertainment" is a tad bit sociopathic? If you want to show gratitude, seriously, just be quiet.

The only reason you think being quiet is 'bad sportsmanship' is because you were raised in an era of participation ribbons and congratulatory trophies.

EleshakaiApr 18, 20151 votes

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You don't think saying "Thanks for providing me entertainment" is a tad bit sociopathic? If you want to show gratitude, seriously, just be quiet.

The only reason you think being quiet is 'bad sportsmanship' is because you were raised in an era of participation ribbons and congratulatory trophies.

It's not 'thanks for providing me entertainment' it is 'thank you for being a part of that fun experience'. Different. It's like once after I played through Journey I sent a message to the fellow Journey-er I played with thanking them for the experience. It's polite to recognize others roles in your life, and proper to thank them when they've had a positive effect.

If you're letting trolls taint 'gg' then I really don't think there's all that much hope for you honestly. It's a polite and good mannered sentiment, that's all. If you take it any other way you are LETTING THE TROLLS HAVE THEIR WAY. Just accept it as a positive and let them sour THEIR lives, not yours.

PubgamerAUApr 18, 20151 votes

It's not even just 'trolls' that twist its use anymore. Pros have said 'gg ez' many times in the past.

The fact remains that while YOU, PERSONALLY, may use it in a positive context, you cannot guarantee it will be RECEIVED in a positive context. You must be aware of the way you come across to others. If other people feel that saying gg as the winner, before the loser, is bad manners, than it's up to you to change your behaviour, not the masses.

Why don't you say "You guys suck" after a game? Because other people don't like it.

Well, other people don't like hearing gg when they don't feel it was a good game, so maybe you should take a lesson from sociology and find something else to say.

EleshakaiApr 18, 20151 votes

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It's not even just 'trolls' that twist its use anymore. Pros have said 'gg ez' many times in the past.

The fact remains that while YOU, PERSONALLY, may use it in a positive context, you cannot guarantee it will be RECEIVED in a positive context. You must be aware of the way you come across to others. If other people feel that saying gg as the winner, before the loser, is bad manners, than it's up to you to change your behaviour, not the masses.

Why don't you say "You guys suck" after a game? Because other people don't like it.

Well, other people don't like hearing gg when they don't feel it was a good game, so maybe you should take a lesson from sociology and find something else to say.

I can't control how people take what I say. No matte what I choose to say, people could take it negatively. So as long as what I'm saying has a positive denotation, I don't care what connotation they CHOOSE to spin it as. "Good game" has a very positive literal meaning, if people choose to make themselves miserable by spinning it in a negative way, it's not my fault.

PubgamerAUApr 19, 20152 votes

Your logic would give a free pass for people to use racial slurs like porch monkey or nigger. After all, it's not your fault if you just claim you use it with a positive connotation!

EleshakaiApr 19, 20151 votes

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Your logic would give a free pass for people to use racial slurs like porch monkey or nigger. After all, it's not your fault if you just claim you use it with a positive connotation!

No, because those have ACTUAL negative meanings. The word itself is derogatory. It isn't a positive word being taken in a negative way. Try again.

Good game IS a positive phrase. People are just CHOOSING to misinterpret it.

PubgamerAUApr 19, 20151 votes

If you went back 150 years, it wouldn't be seen as derogatory or negative. It would just be how it is.

Things change. Meanings behind phrases change. Did you know the word "gay" used to mean light hearted and carefree?

RazzolaApr 20, 20151 votes

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I can't control how people take what I say. No matte what I choose to say, people could take it negatively. So as long as what I'm saying has a positive denotation, I don't care what connotation they CHOOSE to spin it as. "Good game" has a very positive literal meaning, if people choose to make themselves miserable by spinning it in a negative way, it's not my fault.

Who is to know what meaning you have when saying it? There is no way for someone to tell whether you're saying "gg" in the kind, genuine way or saying it in the toxic way since we're using a form of mediated communication, which lacks nonverbal cues.

This whole thread is about how the meaning of "good game" may have shifted to being interpreted more negatively than positively some if not most of the time. Thus, even though you have a positive denotation, the phrase may have a very negative interpreted meaning (context-specific) despite its positive literal meaning.

A person earlier in this thread talked about how he/she has seen a lot of these threads pop up. If "gg" weren't interpreted negatively at least part of the time by some people...why are people writing about it?

I'm not advocating that people should stop saying "good game." I just believe that there is a time and place for everything, and certain scenarios like saying "good game" before the game has even ended can come off extremely toxic--no matter what the intent was.

EleshakaiApr 20, 20151 votes

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Who is to know what meaning you have when saying it? There is no way for someone to tell whether you're saying "gg" in the kind, genuine way or saying it in the toxic way since we're using a form of mediated communication, which lacks nonverbal cues.

This whole thread is about how the meaning of "good game" may have shifted to being interpreted more negatively than positively some if not most of the time. Thus, even though you have a positive denotation, the phrase may have a very negative interpreted meaning (context-specific) despite its positive literal meaning.

A person earlier in this thread talked about how he/she has seen a lot of these threads pop up. If "gg" weren't interpreted negatively at least part of the time by some people...why are people writing about it?

I'm not advocating that people should stop saying "good game." I just believe that there is a time and place for everything, and certain scenarios like saying "good game" before the game has even ended can come off extremely toxic--no matter what the intent was.

People use the word 'smart' to mean stupid all the time too... but does that mean that we should stop using the word smart to mean smart? Or that we should let the fact that other people misinterpret it stop us from using it for its literal meaning?

My way of looking at this type of thing is simple: If the phrase or word I'm using has a positive LITERAL meaning, and I am using it to mean that positive meaning... I quite simply don't care if people choose to misinterpret it in a negative way. It is their choice to make themselves miserable by misinterpreting it, and I can't control that.

Cases like using it before the game is over don't fit with the above statement since that wouldn't be using it with the positive meaning in mind.

CubedJusticeApr 16, 20151 votes

If you don't have fun, why play?

KarlyrApr 16, 20151 votes

I'm talking about an unfair 4v5. In both case it's not fun, especially in normals.

CubedJusticeApr 16, 20151 votes

If you're not having fun whilst playing a game, something designed exclusively to entertain, then you're doing it wrong. In pretty much every situation.

KarlyrApr 16, 20151 votes

Go play a full 4v5 Basketball game. Tell me it's fun and entertainning afterwards.

CubedJusticeApr 16, 20151 votes

I have. It's fun. It's a fun sport, and I played because I enjoy playing.

KarlyrApr 16, 20151 votes

Never said it wasn't fun. Just said that a 4v5, with 9 people try-harding, isn't fun for anyone that is part of the 4. Seeing GG at the end of a game that people were trying to win, replying that it wasn't really a "Good Game" and being told that you are just a sore loser is far from being fun.

It's even insutling. It's like if someone told you that if your mom died it was her own fault.

CubedJusticeApr 17, 20151 votes

You don't think that example's maybe a little bit silly, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

PubgamerAUApr 17, 20151 votes

Some people have fun by winning. Just because you have fun regardless of win or lose, doesn't mean everyone else will. You can say "your point of view is wrong" all you like, but "fun" is an opinion, and like all opinions, there aren't any wrong ones.

KinjishiApr 20, 20151 votes

"Just because you have fun regardless of win or lose, doesn't mean everyone else will."

Then this whole thread is rather moot, eh?

KinjishiApr 16, 20151 votes

"I'm not even saying GG if I win a 4v5, I just just go, "bg sry for the leaver"" If the team I'm on wins a 4v5, we have always said GG and it's been a good atmosphere after (post game) despite the leaver.

PubgamerAUApr 17, 20151 votes

I would argue against 'bg' as well. I think the only appropriate response is "sorry for the leaver". It shows that you recognize the enemy team had a leaver, and aren't trying to gloat or tell someone else how to feel.

KinjishiApr 20, 20151 votes

If you won a 4v5, then you deserve to say gg and the other team can as well. That's not gloating. You earned it.

PubgamerAUApr 20, 20151 votes

There is no "earning" a gg.

KinjishiApr 21, 20151 votes

You played the game, you earn it. You see it differently? That's on you. I win as part of a team, then I earn that win, too. gg