I see this so often. Laner doesn't ward/ over extends and then feeds as the enemy jungler ganks them and they die. and then when they are 0/10 they start blaming the jungler for not going into their uber fed lane and dying multiple times. People need to realize their mistakes and stop blaming others for how bad they are.
Liquid Dario9 votesNews flash and PSA to all junglers. I am a jungle main and your goal is to STOP that 10-0 from happening. At 2-0 you should already be camping the sht out of his lane. No laner is going to be perfect and of course they are going to blame jungler when they are being camped by the enemy jungle. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you know a lane is going to be pushing towards the enemy's tower you should probably be on that side of the map unless your obtaining and objective like dragon/rift herald/baron. To protect your laner from ganks. I think JUNGLERS are the problem and they need to get with the program.
Dryditch13 votesI'd rather just snowball my other lanes than deal with the 2/0 Fiora or Riven when my top laner doesn't have enough map awareness to drop a ward in his tribrush or river.
If I'm up there, I'll drop a ward and sweep for them a bit, but hell naw am I engaging on a champ with a full item over me.
YoungFarmer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wZIEJEZy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-03T16:57:47.400+0000)
News flash and PSA to all junglers. I am a jungle main and your goal is to STOP that 10-0 from happening. At 2-0 you should already be camping the sht out of his lane. No laner is going to be perfect and of course they are going to blame jungler when they are being camped by the enemy jungle. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you know a lane is going to be pushing towards the enemy's tower you should probably be on that side of the map unless your obtaining and objective like dragon/rift herald/baron. To protect your laner from ganks. I think JUNGLERS are the problem and they need to get with the program.
Yah but when your only hope of winning is getting your bot lane fed you cant sit top baby sitting.
Liquid Dario2 votesYah but when your only hope of winning is getting your bot lane fed you cant sit top baby sitting.
That is true, but sometimes taking the chance on them is worth it.
Baunjo3 votesIn a game that is about statistics and general superior mechanics, a roll of the dice with someone who is feeding is not even remotely worth it.
Baunjo6 votesLike I have said before. If your laner is bad enough to feed that badly, or the player that is ahead is good enough to put himself this far ahead, no amount of ganks will change something like that. If there is one thing that makes good players good, it's that they know how to play from all situations. Examples:
If ahead, they will be smart enough to maintain their lead. Warding well and general awareness are included in this
If they are just doing average or tying with the enemy laner in CS for example, they will know an opportunity to get ahead when they see it and know how to execute it.
If they are behind, they will know how to both keep themselves from feeding as well as find ways to come back into the game.
Most players who just continue to feed only understand MAYBE number 2 and maybe the killing and zoning part of being ahead, but not map awareness and warding.
Liquid Dario4 votesLike I have said before. If your laner is bad enough to feed that badly, or the player that is ahead is good enough to put himself this far ahead, no amount of ganks will change something like that. If there is one thing that makes good players good, it's that they know how to play from all situations. Examples:
If ahead, they will be smart enough to maintain their lead. Warding well and general awareness are included in this
If they are just doing average or tying with the enemy laner in CS for example, they will know an opportunity to get ahead when they see it and know how to execute it.
If they are behind, they will know how to both keep themselves from feeding as well as find ways to come back into the game.
Most players who just continue to feed only understand MAYBE number 2 and maybe the killing and zoning part of being ahead, but not map awareness and warding.
I disagree with you on this one. I have had prolly hundreds of games where this happens and I camp top/mid/bot get him a few kills and later on he actually carrys the game. You cannot assume someone is bad because he lost lane. Perhaps if I know hes in a lane he should win 9/10 times and hes 0-3 then maybe I would say this guy isn't worth saving. You have to be able to determine how good/bad he is by his 1st few plays. Which is pretty easy to pay attention to when ur in the jungle you can watch what he does and then judge on his actions weather hes worth saving or not. 8/10 times I would say they are worth saving and will in actuality win you more games than lose.
Baunjo1 votes0-3? Ok they fucked up. 0-7, or 0-8, or 0-9? That is a huge issue. If you cannot rely on someone to prevent going from 0/1 to 0/12 there is no reason to gank. After all, someone on the opposite team has 12/0, and you have to get your laner stronger than them or else they will easily get overshadowed. If you gank another lane that IS NOT LOSING, you have much better odds at dealing with that threat because they are much easier to get ahead, and clearly know a thing or two if they are not dying 5 times within the first 10 minutes or less.
The Ellimiist1 votesCould just be a bad match-up. dieing once or twice doesn't necessarily reflect on skill at all.
If your nasus dies twice to a top vayne your gonna let the vayne continue to dominate the lane and say nasus sucks? xD
Baunjo1 votesI very clearly said it was just a mistake if you die twice or whatever. Continuing to die is a different story. People forget they have towers that protect them.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesYeah, getting a weaker player back in the game so they can just get beaten again isnt a great use of jungler time if you have other options. I remember in the tp meta i was supporting against this sona who clearly wasn't too experienced, killed her at level 2 and then sgain when she came back. Constant ganks from that point on, the lane was 2v3-5 for the next bit, and then after the others decided their botlane was ahead and their work was done, the sona kept playing poorly so we just crushed them anyway.
Only Play Darius2 votesNo one is obligated to babysit you or camp your opponent. The junglers job is to assist his laners in game, not drop everything and become your personal support when you lose lane. If you are consistently going 0/2 in lane you need to get your head out of your ass and learn how to play, stop expecting others to carry you and cover for you when you fuck up.
Baunjo1 votesIf someone only goes 0/2, I am very happy. Too often people turn that into an 0/5 0/6 0/7 so on. I would much rather be put in a position to carry a 0/2 rather than an 0/12 or something retarded like that.
CurlyFriezzz1 votes[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wZIEJEZy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-03T16:57:47.400+0000)
News flash and PSA to all junglers. I am a jungle main and your goal is to STOP that 10-0 from happening. At 2-0 you should already be camping the sht out of his lane. No laner is going to be perfect and of course they are going to blame jungler when they are being camped by the enemy jungle. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you know a lane is going to be pushing towards the enemy's tower you should probably be on that side of the map unless your obtaining and objective like dragon/rift herald/baron. To protect your laner from ganks. I think JUNGLERS are the problem and they need to get with the program.
It's not worth getting someone fed that is really bad at the game.
AthenasVendetta1 votesIt's not worth getting someone fed that is really bad at the game.
Then you take the kill... an assist is all they need sometimes.
DrinkMoreWhiskey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wZIEJEZy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-03T16:57:47.400+0000)
News flash and PSA to all junglers. I am a jungle main and your goal is to STOP that 10-0 from happening. At 2-0 you should already be camping the sht out of his lane. No laner is going to be perfect and of course they are going to blame jungler when they are being camped by the enemy jungle. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you know a lane is going to be pushing towards the enemy's tower you should probably be on that side of the map unless your obtaining and objective like dragon/rift herald/baron. To protect your laner from ganks. I think JUNGLERS are the problem and they need to get with the program.
And this mentality is why youre basically silver.
Liquid Dario1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Real Kowboy,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wZIEJEZy,comment-id=00010009,timestamp=2015-12-04T20:21:21.566+0000)
And this mentality is why youre basically silver.
Your Gold 1 with a 46% win rate. I am not sure you should really be talking that 46% win rate is because you don't do exactly as I stated here and think that this mentality is a silvers mentality. Also you have about a 50% win rate on any champion you use in the jungle while some of my champions sit near 60-80% or even higher win rate. Also I am a gold 5 / Gold 4 on my smurf. Your basically not very far from my level if you are even at my level. And at least I have a 51.1 % win rate and that's even while playing any lane possible not just the lanes I do play which are Jungle/Mid. So I dunno what to tell you, maybe your exactly the type of person who SHOULD be listening to my advice and perhaps this Mentality YOU have is why you cannot reach plat. 
ChaosReignsDown1 votes[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wZIEJEZy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-03T16:57:47.400+0000)
News flash and PSA to all junglers. I am a jungle main and your goal is to STOP that 10-0 from happening. At 2-0 you should already be camping the sht out of his lane. No laner is going to be perfect and of course they are going to blame jungler when they are being camped by the enemy jungle. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you know a lane is going to be pushing towards the enemy's tower you should probably be on that side of the map unless your obtaining and objective like dragon/rift herald/baron. To protect your laner from ganks. I think JUNGLERS are the problem and they need to get with the program.
Yep, you got down voted a lot. But what you said is the truth and people dont want to hear it. Your job is NOT to sit in the jungle and just farm camps. Your job is to help your lanes. Ganking is your job. Help your lanes that are having issues. If you see in the lane match up is favorable for the other team help that lane. YES, ppl should play safe..but nowdays its so easy to turret dive and get a kill or be poked out and fall so far behind just from losing xp/cs that it doesnt matter. I find that most junglers now dont know where the minimap is on the screen or how to unlock the camera, then when you ask why they havent ganked like the OP.. the get butthurt and decide not to gank your lane at all. FF @20 GG WP!
Liquid Dario1 votesYep, you got down voted a lot. But what you said is the truth and people dont want to hear it. Your job is NOT to sit in the jungle and just farm camps. Your job is to help your lanes. Ganking is your job. Help your lanes that are having issues. If you see in the lane match up is favorable for the other team help that lane. YES, ppl should play safe..but nowdays its so easy to turret dive and get a kill or be poked out and fall so far behind just from losing xp/cs that it doesnt matter. I find that most junglers now dont know where the minimap is on the screen or how to unlock the camera, then when you ask why they havent ganked like the OP.. the get butthurt and decide not to gank your lane at all. FF @20 GG WP!
Yep thanks.. I knew I would get down voted but to me that sht is pointless and ppl can do it all day. A lot of players cant handle the cold hard truth of the matter.
NotClarkolas9 votesOr they ask for ganks, then push their lane into the enemy tower and complain when you dont show up. -____-
ChaosThief3 votesOr better yet, they push the lane when you ping you're going to that lane, and then you can't do anything.
DazedOnlooker3 votesThen when i get there, i end up sitting in a bush for a few seconds looking like a complete derping jack ass wondering how i'm supposed to gank in those conditions..then i turn around to leave and 5 seconds later.
An Ally has been slain!
"Jg why you leave me to die??? noob"
"pls." (You started running Farming Simulator 2016: The Hard Push Platinum Edition..i'm not going to suicide gank that.I'm lvl 3..and AND i just found out that this bush was warded...hun...have mercy..take my pink ward..and don't get ganked yourself, that *** lee sin aint slick, i saw him bot side about 1min ago)
Malicious Metal4 votes
One does not simply "stop pushing" with Morde
Dukues6 votesI usually don't say much if I am jungle, but sometimes I get really pissed off when that happens.
At least while laning I no longer really think about receiving ganks I just try to stay aware of where the enemy jungle is.
KoKoboto4 votesYou know what really grinds my gears? When I'm playing jungle and desperately looking for ganks, giving up farm and roaming the map. But my teammates just keep pushing lanes and than they get pissed when I don't gank! WTF YOU WANT A 3 MINUTE TOWER DIVE!! Then they get killed by enemy jungle :/
Disulfiram1 votesThat's funny the first time that it happens, but gets annoying after a while... one time I was all like "ok" and decided to satisfy my top by towerdiving the enemy Riven at minute 3 with my Fiddlesticks.
Of course I died and got flamed for that by my top, but it was funnier than I expected to cause his own bad decision/request to be his downfall. XD
(No idea how did he get that lane pushed so far against Riven; my guess is that Riven was allowing it while planning to go all-in soon, maybe with her jungler's help, and use her mobility to score an easy early kill)
Gantian3 votesI think most junglers underestimate how much of an impact they can make. Whenever I see a lane failing when I jungle, I always attempt at least once to lend a hand and here's why:
1.) Making a dedicated decision to help increases team cohesion and can make a loosing laner less salty/tilty. 2.) If another lane is winning, it doesn't need your help, it's already winning, it has a gold and xp advantage without your assistance, and if they're intelligent they'll capitalize on it. I get the feeling most junglers say "I'll help them snowball" is because of the higher potential for the jungler themselves to pickup a kill, defeating the 'intended' purpose. 3.) If you can stop someone else snowballing by rebalancing a loosing lane that's enormously helpful towards mid and late game.
9/10 times when a feeding lane asks for help and the jungler refuses stating the backwards logic I see in the rest of this thread you'll loose, either due to raging team mates or the enemy jungler capitalizing and doing the opposite, helping his loosing lanes out. I love the hypocrisy that comes out of some junglers when they state the old maxim 'It's not my job to win your lane' and then spend the majority of their time winning a lane that's already won.
Solitair2 votesIt's risk/reward. The time and resources you invest trying to help a feeder break even is better spent building the carry that's going to carry the feeder. What makes you think that someone who cannot go over the mistakes he made that led to his own death and act accordingly in order to not keep on dying is going to know what to do with the advantage that a jungler will attempt to provide? More than likely, they will drag you down. If you babysit, they will put u behind, and if you help them in a gank, they can easily get you killed. I almost always lost games as a jungler first starting out when I acted overly charitably to failing laners.
And it does the opposite for morale--because you're LOSING by wasting your time babysitting. You haven't turned stagnant lanes into team advantages. You haven't turned good laners into snowballed monsters. All you've done is babysit and fall behind.The other laners are getting salty because you haven't been able to help them or go for objectives(even though that's a team task, they will still blame you).
I learned this from experience. I'd much rather help the capable yasuo get really, really fed than continue to gank for the aatrox that lost his lane from the get-go, and got me killed by not paying attention when I tried to gank for him. The rest of the team appreciates this too--because the result is closer to victory. They won't agree with the aatrox when he says "fuck you stupid jungler" when they are on the road to a solid win.
Gantian2 votesThere's a number of bad assumptions here that show a lack of understanding which is unfortunately rampant in lower elo's.
Lets look at this pseudo-mathematically:
Lets say (for theories sake) that both top laners are of equal skill (yeah I know), but your top laner picks first and is counter picked. Is it then his fault that he struggles in lane against an opponent with a distinct advantage? How could this be remedied? By giving him a slight edge in gold and xp to compensate for the lane opponent disadvantage. Otherwise the discrepancy is only going to grow and that player will be useless.
Lets look at a slightly different situation: both laners are of equal skill and champion choice in this instance favours neither side. Your laner gets ganked. I know, lets scream at him for not warding and pushing too far because that's always the case! That's what baddies do!
Anyone with a lick of experience knows that ganks happen, sometimes regardless of preparation and positioning. So your laner is at a numerical disadvantage. If we leave that laner to his own devices, logically and statistically speaking the chances of that laner recovering are slim unless you lend a hand.
Now granted there are times when a laner is simply too unskilled/stupid to be helped, and we all pray that is never the case. However to immediately assume that about a fellow player and dismissing any efforts to help out of hand is both self-defeating and illogical. You don't want their laners to snowball and as a jungler you are in the best position to do something about it.
Solitair2 votesActually, it is the laner that is in the best position to prevent his lane opponent from snowballing. Maybe he made a mistake--it happens, but a decent laner is going to know when its out of the jungler's hands, and how to play in those situations. A feeder isn't that person.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesYou gotta analyze the situation and theres a lot that goes into it. For example if top fell behind against a lane bully then ganking 2/3 times to fix that will bring you to a nice place on their power curves. If the lane bully got destroyed helping them will probably just lead to them getting destroyed again.
Hitting the fed lanes means diving then taking objectives then roaming transitioning into a dominant midgame. A jungler can make a lane snowball down this road much much faster. Assuming your laner knows how to capitalize instead of just afk laning while up a whole item.
GuiltyGecko2 votesJungle is my secondary role, but I don't gank for losing lanes for the following reasons:
Auroramancer2 votesI start to laugh when the enemy jungler is camping a particular lane and my jungler isn't counterganking or ganking other lanes. Just farming camps...not contributing...
Then you tell your jungler "you aren't ganking enough", then they say 'stfu' and proceed to keep farming, while getting outfarmed and out-exp'd by the enemy jungler who is ganking every lane and camping a particular one.
Queue up for Co-op vs. Ai if you're going to AFK farm as jungle or practice your clear times. In normal games, you have teammates to cooperate with and help.
Disulfiram1 votesYou have to understand and consider what the different junglers do.
A 
isn't going to gank much anyway, and you won't see 
nor 
before they hit level 6, while 
and 
will likely be ganking very often, very early.
Also, you should consider how pushed the lanes are: if the only one that isn't under the enemy tower is the one with the 6/0 enemy 
, then expect your jungler to do the best thing in that situation and keep farming his jungle.
Oni200002 votesIf a lane feed the guilt is always of the laner not the jungler. Even if the other jungler is camping hard that lane.
The vast majority of people get ganked 2 times in less than 3 minute from laner and start to blame theyr jungler and stil continue TO PUSH THEIR LANE while you should be extra cautious after 2 enemy gank.
The main role of the jungler is not ganking, but farm in the jungle so that you can have more farm in lane and not falling behind.
He can help you but if you fail gank he start to fall behind badly.
But the people that understand this concept are so few while the peple that prefer to blame their jungler instead of themself are the vast majoity of this game.
Personaly while I play I play like my team have no jungler so that I know that I have to be cautious of enemy jungler and win my lane by myself.
Flagrock3 votesThis idea is sadly flawed in so many ways.
2)** As a player on your team your job is to provide PRESSURE.** For laners, that is controlling their lane by shutting down the enemy or pushing turrets to force a reaction from the enemy team. Supports use wards to create pressure via vision. If you are a jungler and only farming the jungle you WILL lose games unless your laners are FAR superior to enemy laners.
Riot has even stated as a jungler YOU CANNOT OUT FARM A LANE from your own jungle. It is literally impossible. Camps do not spawn quick enough and provide enough gold for you to be able to out gold generate a laner who is farming (optimizing both, laners ALWAYS win).
If you are spam farming, there should be a time where all camps are done in your jungle, so unless you are going to buy every single time you full clear, you will have to be wasting time doing nothing if you are not ganking your laners.
**TL;DR: This idea "it's always the laner's fault if they lose lane" is stupid and if you ask ANY pro/analyst/coach they will tell you a jungler NEEDS to either GANK or provide PRESSURE on the enemy. **
I Am Luxanna2 votesit may help, but ultimately it IS the laner's fault.
The jungler does not control what the laner does.
"GG Jungler didn't save me from turret diving a taric with stun up at lvl 2."
Spacesuit Spiff2 votesIve never understood that mindset. Sure you can look at games and see where a really knowledgable jungler coulda made things happen, but its so much simpler to just work on your own play.
Although obviously thats a bit nuanced for someone who just wants someone to blame for everything
Maximum Morde1 votesI don't want ganks. I want turret dives. I play for utter dominance, not to be a little bitch who gets pushed under their own turret. I won't feed either because I ward. I promise I will back you on the dive and the enemy laner will die or back while we both live. Stop being a pussy jungler and dive. Smart aggression wins games. Playing defensive stalls to wait for a mistake. If that mistake never comes you will lose playing defensively. There is a reason for the saying "The best defense is a good offense."
Solitair3 votesI thought it was "the best offense is a good defense". And the problem with that is, people often can't be trusted to back you up. Either that or they expect you to dive their overextended, unwarded lane at level 3
Maximum Morde1 votes[{quoted}](name=Intrepid 07,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=wZIEJEZy,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-12-03T19:42:27.443+0000)
I thought it was "the best offense is a good defense". And the problem with that is, people often can't be trusted to back you up. Either that or they expect you to dive their overextended, unwarded lane at level 3
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_best_defense_is_a_good_offense
I understand the feeling though. It's just as frustrating being on my end though, knowing we could take the enemy down with 0 loss, but your laner or jungler just doesn't have the aggression to go for it.
The Ellimiist1 votesI don't think a jg not ganking enough is a problem but a jg not counter-ganking enough can be a legit problem. If a lane is a 2v1/3v2 and you never show up then your probably not that great as a jg.
Bijorn1 votesI tend to agree with this but when the enemy jungler and mid dive you consistently, while you get no help (help = wards, MIA pings or pings in general) as well as no ganks/roaming from your mid or top, it gets very frustrating. I have never blamed the jungler for these things, but have always asked my mid to pay attention and ping if their enemy roams, as well as asking for help from the jungler. The amount of times I have received the response of "sorry you should be able to win lane yourself" when its still 0-0 as a score, when asking for a gank is ridiculous. I want to snowball my adc (i play supp bot) and if we get even one kill on them we can snowball it and I can roam to ward and gank mid or top. So many junglers I play with are very selfish players.
No, junglers should not be the deciding factor in who wins a lane, but they CAN be a factor in helping a lane win, which in turn helps the team win.
Cressilia1 votesPlayed a game as MF where I was "fed" to the point where it was an easy-ish lane against Corki. Shaco kills me and my support and camps us (reasonably) My top laner (who gave first-sixth blood by the way) proceeds to say, after me, support and jungler get ganked by bot, jungle AND the fed top; "lol, still no ganks top?"
alfavhunter1 votesI understand people blaming other for thier mistakes
I once had a jungle zac go into the enemy team to engage on all 5 of them, when we had a tower to hide under, and me and my adc there... Top and mid were dead already, and he was claiming US when he died to what would have been a 3v5 without tower, me and my adc stayed at tower and defended it to a 2v5 and managed to keep is with enough time for mid and top to get alive and come help, then when they backed off we stopped other lanes that were minion pushing, zac ran to baron and jumped on them as they were warding it, got caught in a 1v3 and claimed us again for not backing him up (3 of us were not getting dragon because we could see baron and they were just running by warding it) only too was nearby but he was at our 2nd tower killings a giant minion wave to save tower... The zac couldn't accept he made mistakes it was everyone else's fault...)
CrimsonJunk1 voteswhats even funnier is when u wanna test out yur new champ in a AI-intro level based game, and you have 3 people jungling, 2 havn't bought anything from the store, and I have no idea why the other guy purchased mana equipment for a melee attacker? I think I had like 49 kills that game and we won the game in under an hour lol.
Worst Kench NA1 votesI know, right? I always have perfect control over my lanes, I don't ever need to ask for jungler ganks.
ADepressedLeona1 votesI had a Bard yesterday come from river (We were blue side) and try and help me because I (Tristana) was getting attacked by the enemy Bard and Lucian (I was two inches from my turret). My Bard came down, but the way he came down put him in a perfect position between the enemy Bard and that big slab of wall just before tri bush. Needless to say the enemy Bard stunned him and Lucian and the enemy Bard killed him.
I didn't say a word to this person about how bad his positioning was, but he immediately began blaming me for not using summoner heal on him (I wasn't even sure it would have saved him)
This person happened to be on my friends list and had invited me to this game. So I calmly explained the situation and said he should have been more careful. But no, I apparently baited him into it, I didn't heal him and that's what got him killed. Apparently no ADC ever supports the support, he says. I tried explaining it again, but no, he was convinced that it was 100% my fault, he didn't even take partial blame for his own mistake. This wasn't the first time this person had done this to me, so I simply told him he was muted, and I was removing him from my friends list. The next 15mins of the game he spent it hurling vitriol and hate at me in PMs (apparently, even if you mute someone, they can still PM you... That needs to change). So for the next 15mins I was forced to listen to his spill of vomit about how terrible and useless I was, about how stupid I was, about how he was more useful than me (Even though he was 0/10/7). Needless to say I blocked him after the game (the funny thing is he instantly invited me to another game after that one ended)
I was completely and utterly baffled at how he didn't even take partial blame for what he did. How he was convinced that it was utterly, 100% my fault.
People on this game absolutely blow me away sometimes.
Sanguine Law1 votesI dunno about anyone else but if the enemy laner is 3/0 and mine is 0/3 I just stop thinking about ganking that lane and focusing on another that can benefit.