I see this so often. Laner doesn't ward/ over extends and then feeds as the enemy jungler ganks them and they die. and then when they are 0/10 they start blaming the jungler for not going into their uber fed lane and dying multiple times. People need to realize their mistakes and stop blaming others for how bad they are.
News flash and PSA to all junglers. I am a jungle main and your goal is to STOP that 10-0 from happening. At 2-0 you should already be camping the sht out of his lane. No laner is going to be perfect and of course they are going to blame jungler when they are being camped by the enemy jungle. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you know a lane is going to be pushing towards the enemy's tower you should probably be on that side of the map unless your obtaining and objective like dragon/rift herald/baron. To protect your laner from ganks. I think JUNGLERS are the problem and they need to get with the program.
Or they ask for ganks, then push their lane into the enemy tower and complain when you dont show up. -____-
I usually don't say much if I am jungle, but sometimes I get really pissed off when that happens.
At least while laning I no longer really think about receiving ganks I just try to stay aware of where the enemy jungle is.
You know what really grinds my gears? When I'm playing jungle and desperately looking for ganks, giving up farm and roaming the map. But my teammates just keep pushing lanes and than they get pissed when I don't gank! WTF YOU WANT A 3 MINUTE TOWER DIVE!! Then they get killed by enemy jungle :/
I think most junglers underestimate how much of an impact they can make. Whenever I see a lane failing when I jungle, I always attempt at least once to lend a hand and here's why:
1.) Making a dedicated decision to help increases team cohesion and can make a loosing laner less salty/tilty. 2.) If another lane is winning, it doesn't need your help, it's already winning, it has a gold and xp advantage without your assistance, and if they're intelligent they'll capitalize on it. I get the feeling most junglers say "I'll help them snowball" is because of the higher potential for the jungler themselves to pickup a kill, defeating the 'intended' purpose. 3.) If you can stop someone else snowballing by rebalancing a loosing lane that's enormously helpful towards mid and late game.
9/10 times when a feeding lane asks for help and the jungler refuses stating the backwards logic I see in the rest of this thread you'll loose, either due to raging team mates or the enemy jungler capitalizing and doing the opposite, helping his loosing lanes out. I love the hypocrisy that comes out of some junglers when they state the old maxim 'It's not my job to win your lane' and then spend the majority of their time winning a lane that's already won.
Jungle is my secondary role, but I don't gank for losing lanes for the following reasons:
I start to laugh when the enemy jungler is camping a particular lane and my jungler isn't counterganking or ganking other lanes. Just farming camps...not contributing...
Then you tell your jungler "you aren't ganking enough", then they say 'stfu' and proceed to keep farming, while getting outfarmed and out-exp'd by the enemy jungler who is ganking every lane and camping a particular one.
Queue up for Co-op vs. Ai if you're going to AFK farm as jungle or practice your clear times. In normal games, you have teammates to cooperate with and help.
If a lane feed the guilt is always of the laner not the jungler. Even if the other jungler is camping hard that lane.
The vast majority of people get ganked 2 times in less than 3 minute from laner and start to blame theyr jungler and stil continue TO PUSH THEIR LANE while you should be extra cautious after 2 enemy gank.
The main role of the jungler is not ganking, but farm in the jungle so that you can have more farm in lane and not falling behind.
He can help you but if you fail gank he start to fall behind badly.
But the people that understand this concept are so few while the peple that prefer to blame their jungler instead of themself are the vast majoity of this game.
Personaly while I play I play like my team have no jungler so that I know that I have to be cautious of enemy jungler and win my lane by myself.
Ive never understood that mindset. Sure you can look at games and see where a really knowledgable jungler coulda made things happen, but its so much simpler to just work on your own play.
Although obviously thats a bit nuanced for someone who just wants someone to blame for everything
I dunno about anyone else but if the enemy laner is 3/0 and mine is 0/3 I just stop thinking about ganking that lane and focusing on another that can benefit.
I don't want ganks. I want turret dives. I play for utter dominance, not to be a little bitch who gets pushed under their own turret. I won't feed either because I ward. I promise I will back you on the dive and the enemy laner will die or back while we both live. Stop being a pussy jungler and dive. Smart aggression wins games. Playing defensive stalls to wait for a mistake. If that mistake never comes you will lose playing defensively. There is a reason for the saying "The best defense is a good offense."
I don't think a jg not ganking enough is a problem but a jg not counter-ganking enough can be a legit problem. If a lane is a 2v1/3v2 and you never show up then your probably not that great as a jg.
I tend to agree with this but when the enemy jungler and mid dive you consistently, while you get no help (help = wards, MIA pings or pings in general) as well as no ganks/roaming from your mid or top, it gets very frustrating. I have never blamed the jungler for these things, but have always asked my mid to pay attention and ping if their enemy roams, as well as asking for help from the jungler. The amount of times I have received the response of "sorry you should be able to win lane yourself" when its still 0-0 as a score, when asking for a gank is ridiculous. I want to snowball my adc (i play supp bot) and if we get even one kill on them we can snowball it and I can roam to ward and gank mid or top. So many junglers I play with are very selfish players.
No, junglers should not be the deciding factor in who wins a lane, but they CAN be a factor in helping a lane win, which in turn helps the team win.
Played a game as MF where I was "fed" to the point where it was an easy-ish lane against Corki. Shaco kills me and my support and camps us (reasonably) My top laner (who gave first-sixth blood by the way) proceeds to say, after me, support and jungler get ganked by bot, jungle AND the fed top; "lol, still no ganks top?"
I understand people blaming other for thier mistakes
I once had a jungle zac go into the enemy team to engage on all 5 of them, when we had a tower to hide under, and me and my adc there... Top and mid were dead already, and he was claiming US when he died to what would have been a 3v5 without tower, me and my adc stayed at tower and defended it to a 2v5 and managed to keep is with enough time for mid and top to get alive and come help, then when they backed off we stopped other lanes that were minion pushing, zac ran to baron and jumped on them as they were warding it, got caught in a 1v3 and claimed us again for not backing him up (3 of us were not getting dragon because we could see baron and they were just running by warding it) only too was nearby but he was at our 2nd tower killings a giant minion wave to save tower... The zac couldn't accept he made mistakes it was everyone else's fault...)
whats even funnier is when u wanna test out yur new champ in a AI-intro level based game, and you have 3 people jungling, 2 havn't bought anything from the store, and I have no idea why the other guy purchased mana equipment for a melee attacker? I think I had like 49 kills that game and we won the game in under an hour lol.
I know, right? I always have perfect control over my lanes, I don't ever need to ask for jungler ganks.
I had a Bard yesterday come from river (We were blue side) and try and help me because I (Tristana) was getting attacked by the enemy Bard and Lucian (I was two inches from my turret). My Bard came down, but the way he came down put him in a perfect position between the enemy Bard and that big slab of wall just before tri bush. Needless to say the enemy Bard stunned him and Lucian and the enemy Bard killed him.
I didn't say a word to this person about how bad his positioning was, but he immediately began blaming me for not using summoner heal on him (I wasn't even sure it would have saved him)
This person happened to be on my friends list and had invited me to this game. So I calmly explained the situation and said he should have been more careful. But no, I apparently baited him into it, I didn't heal him and that's what got him killed. Apparently no ADC ever supports the support, he says. I tried explaining it again, but no, he was convinced that it was 100% my fault, he didn't even take partial blame for his own mistake. This wasn't the first time this person had done this to me, so I simply told him he was muted, and I was removing him from my friends list. The next 15mins of the game he spent it hurling vitriol and hate at me in PMs (apparently, even if you mute someone, they can still PM you... That needs to change). So for the next 15mins I was forced to listen to his spill of vomit about how terrible and useless I was, about how stupid I was, about how he was more useful than me (Even though he was 0/10/7). Needless to say I blocked him after the game (the funny thing is he instantly invited me to another game after that one ended)
I was completely and utterly baffled at how he didn't even take partial blame for what he did. How he was convinced that it was utterly, 100% my fault.
People on this game absolutely blow me away sometimes.
