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If the jungler ganks and takes the kills what's the problem?

King Odin·5/13/2015, 3:45:26 PM·33 votes·7,636 views

You gain +150 Gold, your enemy loses cs, you can cs freely for the time the enemy is dead and your jungler can now gank with stronger items. Not to mention that your enemy most probably burnt some summoner spells. So how can you fucking complain 0.o?

A 0/6 Yasuo was dying to a riven every time he returned to lane from minute 2. I was Amumu and I don't have the best early game ganks since if I miss Q then I can't gank so finally I see an opportunity and gank Yasuo which allows us to secure a kill but my tears happened to take the kill. Then when Yasuo returns to lane and dies he says in all chat "Ofcourse I lost lane with Amumu stealing my kill" and all I could think was are you serious. You picked yasuo top and fed 6 kills and now you think 1 kill which will reset your gold value will magically win your lane for you? When I can use the gold the build tanky and help other lanes better.

Please don't act like this fellow players and also please don't top to bottom clear the jungle just because your lanes are pushed, we need gold just as much and will always be far behind you all especially when I always give my buffs away. So just because your free cs is pushed to enemy tower doesn't mean you should take my gromp and wolves whilst the top and mid take my chickens and krugs and then curse me out when I complain about it and also call me bad because I missed 1 bandage toss out of 15 and I am 9/0/8. Sorry for the rant but also please stop fucking pinging me off free cs when it's under your tower and you're at base, all I am doing is last hitting ffs.

49 Comments

Axests5/13/2015, 3:48:17 PM15 votes

If it's obvious the laner can secure the kill i give it to them, if there's even a chance of them escaping i end it

test account5/14/2015, 12:29:24 AM9 votes

I actually prefer the jungler get the kill. I want my jungler to be fed. Just having a dead lane opponent is enough to give me an advantage in lane, but a fed jungler could potentially turn that losing top lane around or ensure that our botlane secures every dragon.

Every time a jungler apologizes for securing a kill, I die a little inside. I'm terrible at jungling, but when someone who is good at it does it? I want them fed.

Killstrado5/13/2015, 4:00:27 PM5 votes

Selfishness is the biggest problem in this game

3tyson5/13/2015, 4:25:02 PM4 votes

First of all my gank means my kill... i made it happen if the laner taking it hes basicly stealing my kills

depending on what champ i play how fed my team js il give or take the kill example mid lane is 4 0 0 mid doesnt need more kils unles im fed to im taking it mid is 0 0 0 id prefere to get mid ahead and getting him 1/2 kills wil help allot

But the most and verry much most importand part is

kill secured even on a suport is in every situation always better than it getting away

AJStarhiker5/14/2015, 1:45:02 AM2 votes

I try to make a point of thanking my junglers when they come in to gank. Kill, assist, or just driving the enemy out of lane means I can farm up a bit. Or I can back and let the jungler grab some easy gold before heading back into the jungle.

Like Test Account said, getting some extra gold on the jungler only helps the team as a whole.

Vistha Kai5/13/2015, 8:07:35 PM2 votes

So you are playing a tank and taking kills from carries? Of course they will be mad at you.

GroundRuleDouble5/13/2015, 3:47:26 PM2 votes

Here's the way I look at it. If my laner is positive or even, I'll probably try to give them the kill. It does more if my laners get fed than me. However, if my laner is 0/5/0, I'll take the kill myself as one kill won't do much for them.

Angry Monster5/13/2015, 9:48:34 PM1 votes

for the record an assist soft resets the death penalty. So for his next death he was worth 125 instead of 90.

GundayMonday5/13/2015, 9:51:53 PM1 votes

It's one of two things:

The player is bad and doesn't understand the game.
The player is very good, and knows that their champion needs gold to unlock a win-state (think late game vayne, katarina, akali).

99% of the time it's #1 in my experience.

Firestartertot5/14/2015, 1:37:37 AM1 votes

Usually, if the laner can snowball harder than I can, I'll give the kill to them. If not, I'll take the kill so I can snowball every other lane and possibly come back to their lane and snowball them too. I really don't get why people aren't happy with assists ;-

Shield Villain5/14/2015, 4:15:19 AM1 votes

Sometimes you do need it though. When I play Talon mid I always want the kills. The harder and faster I snowball, the better. Even a tank will fear me if I'm fed hard enough.

I had this happen to me twice in my last two ranked games.

The first game my jungler kept stealing the kills. They'd just show up and take the kills, leaving me with just enough health to clear my lane and then go back. It wasn't ideal, and I certainly didn't snowball on 2 assists. I didn't really start becoming a real threat until I roamed top lane and took out a Nasus with my top laner. Then when into the river and did the same to their jungler, who had come in hopes of counter ganking us when we were low. Game was dragged out but we won.

Second game my jungler gave me the kills. I quickly destroyed my midlaner, roamed top, roamed with the jungler to steal Blue, secure dragon, then got the entire enemy team focused on bot lane while our top pushed hard. I went 20-1-4 and carried really hard.

Anyways, sometimes you have the right to complain. I can't express how many times I poked the enemy down to mid health, was readying to go in, and then my jungler shows up and destroys them. It's the worst feeling in the world. In that scenario you have every right to bitch to your jungler. As they did only half the work, and you didn't require their help.

Otherwise I agree. I jungle a lot and if I go in with you, be grateful that I showed up at all. Especially if you were losing lane. I'll give you the kill if I know you can snowball from it, otherwise it's fair game buddy.

Rengar Top Lane5/14/2015, 6:15:09 AM1 votes

If there is a possibility of the enemy escaping, I will take it usually.

FirstSergeantBim5/14/2015, 10:34:07 AM1 votes

It really just depends on the match. There are arguments for either case.

It's important that your laners are strong because they are the ones protecting your turrets and pressuring the enemy's turrets. Laners need to be self-sufficient and if you can give your laners a leg-up on the competition, it should make it easier to snowball an early advantage. Also, since laners have a better source of income/experience, they should scale better with kills compared to junglers.

However, if your laners don't know how to push objectives, protect turrets or snowball an early lead, then those kills are worthless on them.

TL;DR: It depends on your teammates. If you teammates are strong, you should give them the kills. If they aren't, it doesn't really matter.

Only Play Darius5/14/2015, 11:10:33 AM1 votes

If it's a carry or hard carry jungler like MasterYi Fiora Rengar Khazix Diana Tryndamere XinZhao Nidalee Udyr then there is usually nothing wrong with it. Getting them fed allows them to potentially melt teams and exert massive pressure all over the map.

If it's a tank/bruiser or utility jungler like Warwick MonkeyKing JarvanIV Maokai Volibear Nunu Skarner then it's often best to try to let your laner take the kill. A fed Nautilus may be unkillable but he doesn't have much damage so he is going to be relying on his teammates anyway, the same teammates who don't have much gold because he took all the kills. Meanwhile if Yi/Rengar/Xin get fed, they are going to go on a bloody rampage around the map because they have the tools necessary to survive on their own while still dealing shitloads of damage. I once went 28/4 as because I got 9 kills off of ganks in the first 15 minutes and snowballed from there, but it was not as fun as you would expect. Vi is of course meant to claim her fair share of blood, but she isn't designed to hard carry and I was literally earning 90% of the kills on my team. Of course I had all the teams' gold and as a result was the only one doing serious damage, so I really had no choice but to keep carrying while my teammates watched. In this case, all the eggs were in one basket, and this particular basket wasn't designed to hold such quantities and carrying with her was not only difficult, but stressful because I knew if I screwed up once, I could cost my team the game since they were starved of gold. In the end, I wish I had payed more attention during my ganks to help ensure my laners got the last hits.

If i'm playing a carry jungler, I try to get some of the kills in the ganks, but try to leave at least half the kills for the laners. If i'm playing a non-carry jungler, I do my best to make sure my laner gets the kill. However, a kill is better than none. Regardless of what type of jungler I am playing, if I see that the enemy is about to make an escape, I do whatever is needed to make sure they die.

slippykitten5/14/2015, 4:50:13 PM1 votes

The issue is outcome and what is going to benefit the team more. Yes, as a jungler, a little extra gold could help you rush those expensive defense items and make more happen on the map, or you could just have a little extra gold to continue farming the jungle with. A laner may be able to deny his lane opponent cs and more kills by getting the kill gold thus creating a large benefit for the team. Sometimes junglers take kills, leaving their lanes actually behind and then complain when the enemy is fed. This is also illogical.

There are too many factors to say "x takes the kill everytime" you have to consider what is best for the team.

Death by Kayn5/14/2015, 6:23:32 PM1 votes

That's the plus with being a Kha jg main. People VEEEERY rarely get mad at me for securing kills, but if I can see that they can get it, I'll give it to em

Rootworth5/14/2015, 7:19:23 PM1 votes

The problem is when he takes all the kills and then your team is basically 4 weaklings and 1 tough guy who's waiting to get focused down by all 5 enemy champions.

Captain Aishi5/14/2015, 7:31:45 PM1 votes

what i hate is when the jungler taxes two full minion waves after the kill (while I back ping them) when I could have frozen the lane near my tower and backed, so now I come back to lane one level under my opponent who died and the lane is frozen at his tower (maaster yi junglers are especially guilty of this)

luna is my mommy5/15/2015, 12:25:57 PM1 votes

Meanwhile if your an adc bot whos 0/3/6 due to your support and jungler taking your kills right when they are about to die and your ezreal and right next to the enemy, then they call you worthless because you dont "deal enough damage" in teamfights it gets annoying. Then everyone says your bitching because your "feeding" and dont have any kills as 1/4/6 now and you're team is winning but your not doing much in that.

Fredart5/13/2015, 4:05:55 PM1 votes

Yasuo only needs one kill so yeah you did screw him over.

Mob Psycho 1005/13/2015, 4:29:08 PM1 votes

I'll try my best to let them get the kill, but sometimes its an accident or you want to secure it. Personally, I'll say sorry or something along the lines of that if I steal the kill.

I had a game, though, where I helped my top laner, got the kill, then i went and killed 3 minions that were low to the point where the top laner wouldnt get them, and he raged at me. "Oh, dont take the kill then tax my lane. Noob reported."

Slamurai Jack5/13/2015, 5:28:36 PM1 votes

Because I flashed and ignited to secure the kill, and they have a Vi jungle. That 150 gold isn't going to save me from the Vi thats going to camp me for the next 5 minutes since my flash is down.

Daedalus8715/13/2015, 6:53:39 PM1 votes

If an ally is more of a carry than what I plan to build, then I'll probably try to give it to them.

But if there is the slightest chance that the enemy will escape or trade kills, then the gloves are off.

Señor Karthus5/13/2015, 9:44:39 PM1 votes

Also, no one gives a damn about your assists as a jungler if you lose. So yeah, just take the kill.

Poptart Evelynn5/13/2015, 9:47:20 PM1 votes

I'm not going to comment on how your gank went but I will make a comment about a situation where it is bad.

If the gank forced your laner to burn both summoners to make it work and on the gank they had a wave or two cs backed up but lost it during gank. Then the gank isn't worth it unless that laner gets the kill.

90% of the time this doesn't happen but there is rare cases where taking the kill does lead badly for the laner regardless if he coulda got it. But that is just called a bad gank.