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If the jungler ganks and takes the kills what's the problem?

King Odin··33 votes·7,636 views

You gain +150 Gold, your enemy loses cs, you can cs freely for the time the enemy is dead and your jungler can now gank with stronger items. Not to mention that your enemy most probably burnt some summoner spells. So how can you fucking complain 0.o?

A 0/6 Yasuo was dying to a riven every time he returned to lane from minute 2. I was Amumu and I don't have the best early game ganks since if I miss Q then I can't gank so finally I see an opportunity and gank Yasuo which allows us to secure a kill but my tears happened to take the kill. Then when Yasuo returns to lane and dies he says in all chat "Ofcourse I lost lane with Amumu stealing my kill" and all I could think was are you serious. You picked yasuo top and fed 6 kills and now you think 1 kill which will reset your gold value will magically win your lane for you? When I can use the gold the build tanky and help other lanes better.

Please don't act like this fellow players and also please don't top to bottom clear the jungle just because your lanes are pushed, we need gold just as much and will always be far behind you all especially when I always give my buffs away. So just because your free cs is pushed to enemy tower doesn't mean you should take my gromp and wolves whilst the top and mid take my chickens and krugs and then curse me out when I complain about it and also call me bad because I missed 1 bandage toss out of 15 and I am 9/0/8. Sorry for the rant but also please stop fucking pinging me off free cs when it's under your tower and you're at base, all I am doing is last hitting ffs.

49 Comments

Axests15 votes

If it's obvious the laner can secure the kill i give it to them, if there's even a chance of them escaping i end it

Lugg6 votes

↑ is the correct answer.

King Odin5 votes

Exactly this, I never purposefully take the kill but when I do the laner is all up in arms

Axests6 votes

hate it when that happens, makes me think "oh so they want me to tax too?"

SelflessTeammate1 votes

I agree with this wholeheartedly, I throw it to the laner, because they're in more of a position to blow away turrets. The jungler isn't there for that, so I'm totally fine with throwing it to the laner.

At the same time, even if they're dangerously close to getting away, if I take the shot and kill them (even if they're less than a second from escape and your laner has used up their cooldowns), I tend to get heat. Even had a couple of ragequitters/feeders/afkers because they said I stole the kill, and this makes them lose their goddamned mind, regardless of what fraction of a second it was before no one would get it.

Then there are the ones who rage-clear your jungle to get back at you for "stealing their cs" (so they steal your cs) if you accidentally kill one damned minion during the gank, even if they got the kill...Yeah. Dealing with laners can be dicey, and sometimes you quite literally can't win with 'em.

Nin10do00141 votes

In this situation, it would be quite a bad move to let the laner give the kill. That would reset the gold bounty from ~100 gold per kill to 300 gold per kill for the enemy laner.

test account9 votes

I actually prefer the jungler get the kill. I want my jungler to be fed. Just having a dead lane opponent is enough to give me an advantage in lane, but a fed jungler could potentially turn that losing top lane around or ensure that our botlane secures every dragon.

Every time a jungler apologizes for securing a kill, I die a little inside. I'm terrible at jungling, but when someone who is good at it does it? I want them fed.

Killstrado5 votes

Selfishness is the biggest problem in this game

SelflessTeammate5 votes

points to summoner name Totes. So who's being selfish, the laner or the jungler? It's the one who has a problem with the unarguably positive outcome for their team at the end.

3tyson4 votes

First of all my gank means my kill... i made it happen if the laner taking it hes basicly stealing my kills

depending on what champ i play how fed my team js il give or take the kill example mid lane is 4 0 0 mid doesnt need more kils unles im fed to im taking it mid is 0 0 0 id prefere to get mid ahead and getting him 1/2 kills wil help allot

But the most and verry much most importand part is

kill secured even on a suport is in every situation always better than it getting away

CIit Yeastwood4 votes

And you're just as bad as most ADC mains..

"My gank means my kill" disregard the vayne that hit a clutch condem so you could land your CC. Disregard the Morganna that hit a great Q through the minion wave right next to the river bush so you could get an easy gank. Disregard the entire lane that got the enemy below half hp and wasted their summoners, again, for you to have an easy gank.

You REALLY don't do anything other than show up sometimes for an easy kill. The laners, if anything, put in much more effort than you do for these successful ganks. Please stop being so high and mighty with yourself.

3tyson1 votes

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And you're just as bad as most ADC mains..

"My gank means my kill" disregard the vayne that hit a clutch condem so you could land your CC. Disregard the Morganna that hit a great Q through the minion wave right next to the river bush so you could get an easy gank. Disregard the entire lane that got the enemy below half hp and wasted their summoners, again, for you to have an easy gank.

You REALLY don't do anything other than show up sometimes for an easy kill. The laners, if anything, put in much more effort than you do for these successful ganks. Please stop being so high and mighty with yourself.

Didnt read lolol

GroundRuleDouble2 votes

Here's the way I look at it. If my laner is positive or even, I'll probably try to give them the kill. It does more if my laners get fed than me. However, if my laner is 0/5/0, I'll take the kill myself as one kill won't do much for them.

SelflessTeammate2 votes

A shutdown will. It's a show of good faith, and selfless teamwork to do exactly that.

GroundRuleDouble3 votes

It's not about being selfless. It's about winning the game. Whatever puts my team at an advantage is what i'll do. If it's me getting fed, I'll take the kill. If I'm helping a laner snowball, I'll happily give them the kill.

Vistha Kai2 votes

So you are playing a tank and taking kills from carries? Of course they will be mad at you.

King Odin2 votes

Yes because let me guess tank top laners shouldn't get any kills because they aren't carries, also tank doesn't mean they're not carries it just means they carry in a different way. Amumu, Sejuani and Gragas to name a few are great examples of snowballing tanks.

Vistha Kai1 votes

By "carries" I mean anybody who's role is to deal damage over receiving it. In some Irelia cases both, because balance.

AJStarhiker2 votes

I try to make a point of thanking my junglers when they come in to gank. Kill, assist, or just driving the enemy out of lane means I can farm up a bit. Or I can back and let the jungler grab some easy gold before heading back into the jungle.

Like Test Account said, getting some extra gold on the jungler only helps the team as a whole.

Fredart1 votes

Yasuo only needs one kill so yeah you did screw him over.

King Odin7 votes

Because the extra 150 gold he got which he would not have had If I had not ganked made him lose to a 6/0 Riven he fed mhmm.

Dirty Bastard1 votes

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Because the extra 150 gold he got which he would not have had If I had not ganked made him lose to a 6/0 Riven he fed mhmm.

150 is squat. jg taking kills in when they are clearly secured by the laner only cripples the lanes. If they are cs poorly or were zoned how is 150 gd going to make up for you walking out ahead and them still lacking real lane advantage. Even if they were on par 150 gold advantage is nothing to get excited about. Now, if your laner is not able to secure I completely understand why someone getting the kill is important. But the extra xp and gold would potentially turn the lane around.

I have played malz many times and had clearly won a 1v1 solo fight in lane and had my opponent in a dying grasp ult, watched my jg appear in lane and walk up and ulti or last hit while they in mid ult as tho its obligatory his just showing up. Ridiculous. These are the excuses jg make to excuse selfishness and ego kills.

SelflessTeammate2 votes

So...So that was his only shot for the whole game, in which he now has a lane advantage? What?

Mob Psycho 1001 votes

I'll try my best to let them get the kill, but sometimes its an accident or you want to secure it. Personally, I'll say sorry or something along the lines of that if I steal the kill.

I had a game, though, where I helped my top laner, got the kill, then i went and killed 3 minions that were low to the point where the top laner wouldnt get them, and he raged at me. "Oh, dont take the kill then tax my lane. Noob reported."

Slamurai Jack1 votes

Because I flashed and ignited to secure the kill, and they have a Vi jungle. That 150 gold isn't going to save me from the Vi thats going to camp me for the next 5 minutes since my flash is down.

King Odin2 votes

Unless it was ksed intentionally there is nothing to complain about.

Sinlaire1 votes

then that would be next to the only value you provided your team if you're making the enemy lose jungle gold/xp and lane pressure to kill your low and weak butt. btw. champs become worth less gold if they're going negative until they get a kill. so she misses out on 3 integral things to get a kill for a gank that isn't even worth full value.

yeah. whine all you like. at that point your only value is to look like a tasty sheep and let the jungler support the other lanes while the wolf is away.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

The fuck are you talking about? I would have a 0/0/1 score presumably as my junglers gank; why would you assume I was feeding beforehand?

Sinlaire2 votes

i thought you were theoretically assuming the position of the 0/6 yasuo that the OP was talking about.

quite simply because your opening post had very little relevance in regards to almost anything since it wasn't a reply to anyone.

therefor it was hard to tell from what position exactly you were speaking of to to whom you were addressing. try adding a little my clarity to your posts.

also. if you're a yasuo and you're afraid of Vi, her dash goes on CD for 3 seconds if you interrupt it while its charging, and for the entire duration if you interrupt it when she is mid dash. her ganks are painfully easy to dodge pre 6 and post 6 you can still block her dash regardless of her R.

I main Vi. she isn't unstoppable. play safe, ward, and tornado. then dash through her to tower if you can. easy.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

I was pretty unclear what I intended, so for that, I apologize. And while I am indeed a Yasuo main, it is extremely, extremely rare that I find myself 0/6. However, what is far more common are situations where my jungler ganks for me and leaves me in a worse position than if he hadn't ganked at all, even if the enemy laner dies.

As for the Yasuo and Vi example, I feel like you're paining an overly rosy picture. Vi isn't going to start her gank on a Yasuo while he has his tornado if he can if she can help it. And even if Yasuo does have his tornado, Vi only needs her Q to get into ult range, then I'm pretty much guaranteed dead if my flash is down. If I blow both my summoners on a friendly gank, get the kill, and that gives me enough for a shiv or something, then it was worth, even with my flash now down. But if I only get the assist, and Im 100 short of shiv, I'm extremely vulnerable until the next time I back, since I blew both summoners in the expectation that I would get a kill that I did not.

Mikal Pikal2 votes

Did you consider not blowing your flash for the gank? You could let THEM blow their flash and just not get the kill if it is a death sentence for you.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

What makes you think those were the 2 choices? Maybe I'm against against an Ahri, Kassadin, or Nidalee and me flashing in with my CC is the only way the gank is going to work.

Daedalus8711 votes

If an ally is more of a carry than what I plan to build, then I'll probably try to give it to them.

But if there is the slightest chance that the enemy will escape or trade kills, then the gloves are off.

Señor Karthus1 votes

Also, no one gives a damn about your assists as a jungler if you lose. So yeah, just take the kill.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

I'm not going to comment on how your gank went but I will make a comment about a situation where it is bad.

If the gank forced your laner to burn both summoners to make it work and on the gank they had a wave or two cs backed up but lost it during gank. Then the gank isn't worth it unless that laner gets the kill.

90% of the time this doesn't happen but there is rare cases where taking the kill does lead badly for the laner regardless if he coulda got it. But that is just called a bad gank.

Angry Monster1 votes

for the record an assist soft resets the death penalty. So for his next death he was worth 125 instead of 90.

GundayMonday1 votes

It's one of two things:

  1. The player is bad and doesn't understand the game.

  2. The player is very good, and knows that their champion needs gold to unlock a win-state (think late game vayne, katarina, akali).

99% of the time it's #1 in my experience.

Firestartertot1 votes

Usually, if the laner can snowball harder than I can, I'll give the kill to them. If not, I'll take the kill so I can snowball every other lane and possibly come back to their lane and snowball them too. I really don't get why people aren't happy with assists ;-

Shield Villain1 votes

Sometimes you do need it though. When I play Talon mid I always want the kills. The harder and faster I snowball, the better. Even a tank will fear me if I'm fed hard enough.

I had this happen to me twice in my last two ranked games.

The first game my jungler kept stealing the kills. They'd just show up and take the kills, leaving me with just enough health to clear my lane and then go back. It wasn't ideal, and I certainly didn't snowball on 2 assists. I didn't really start becoming a real threat until I roamed top lane and took out a Nasus with my top laner. Then when into the river and did the same to their jungler, who had come in hopes of counter ganking us when we were low. Game was dragged out but we won.

Second game my jungler gave me the kills. I quickly destroyed my midlaner, roamed top, roamed with the jungler to steal Blue, secure dragon, then got the entire enemy team focused on bot lane while our top pushed hard. I went 20-1-4 and carried really hard.

Anyways, sometimes you have the right to complain. I can't express how many times I poked the enemy down to mid health, was readying to go in, and then my jungler shows up and destroys them. It's the worst feeling in the world. In that scenario you have every right to bitch to your jungler. As they did only half the work, and you didn't require their help.

Otherwise I agree. I jungle a lot and if I go in with you, be grateful that I showed up at all. Especially if you were losing lane. I'll give you the kill if I know you can snowball from it, otherwise it's fair game buddy.

Rengar Top Lane1 votes

If there is a possibility of the enemy escaping, I will take it usually.

FirstSergeantBim1 votes

It really just depends on the match. There are arguments for either case.

It's important that your laners are strong because they are the ones protecting your turrets and pressuring the enemy's turrets. Laners need to be self-sufficient and if you can give your laners a leg-up on the competition, it should make it easier to snowball an early advantage. Also, since laners have a better source of income/experience, they should scale better with kills compared to junglers.

However, if your laners don't know how to push objectives, protect turrets or snowball an early lead, then those kills are worthless on them.

TL;DR: It depends on your teammates. If you teammates are strong, you should give them the kills. If they aren't, it doesn't really matter.

Only Play Darius1 votes

If it's a carry or hard carry jungler like MasterYi Fiora Rengar Khazix Diana Tryndamere XinZhao Nidalee Udyr then there is usually nothing wrong with it. Getting them fed allows them to potentially melt teams and exert massive pressure all over the map.

If it's a tank/bruiser or utility jungler like Nautilus Warwick MonkeyKing JarvanIV Maokai Volibear Vi Nunu Skarner then it's often best to try to let your laner take the kill. A fed Nautilus may be unkillable but he doesn't have much damage so he is going to be relying on his teammates anyway, the same teammates who don't have much gold because he took all the kills. Meanwhile if Yi/Rengar/Xin get fed, they are going to go on a bloody rampage around the map because they have the tools necessary to survive on their own while still dealing shitloads of damage. I once went 28/4 as Vi because I got 9 kills off of ganks in the first 15 minutes and snowballed from there, but it was not as fun as you would expect. Vi is of course meant to claim her fair share of blood, but she isn't designed to hard carry and I was literally earning 90% of the kills on my team. Of course I had all the teams' gold and as a result was the only one doing serious damage, so I really had no choice but to keep carrying while my teammates watched. In this case, all the eggs were in one basket, and this particular basket wasn't designed to hold such quantities and carrying with her was not only difficult, but stressful because I knew if I screwed up once, I could cost my team the game since they were starved of gold. In the end, I wish I had payed more attention during my ganks to help ensure my laners got the last hits.

If i'm playing a carry jungler, I try to get some of the kills in the ganks, but try to leave at least half the kills for the laners. If i'm playing a non-carry jungler, I do my best to make sure my laner gets the kill. However, a kill is better than none. Regardless of what type of jungler I am playing, if I see that the enemy is about to make an escape, I do whatever is needed to make sure they die.

CIit Yeastwood1 votes

Wait... why do you include Voli on a non carry jungle?

His bite does more damage than vayne silver bullet stacks 3x over....

slippykitten1 votes

The issue is outcome and what is going to benefit the team more. Yes, as a jungler, a little extra gold could help you rush those expensive defense items and make more happen on the map, or you could just have a little extra gold to continue farming the jungle with. A laner may be able to deny his lane opponent cs and more kills by getting the kill gold thus creating a large benefit for the team. Sometimes junglers take kills, leaving their lanes actually behind and then complain when the enemy is fed. This is also illogical.

There are too many factors to say "x takes the kill everytime" you have to consider what is best for the team.

Death by Kayn1 votes

That's the plus with being a Kha jg main. People VEEEERY rarely get mad at me for securing kills, but if I can see that they can get it, I'll give it to em

Rootworth1 votes

The problem is when he takes all the kills and then your team is basically 4 weaklings and 1 tough guy who's waiting to get focused down by all 5 enemy champions.

Captain Aishi1 votes

what i hate is when the jungler taxes two full minion waves after the kill (while I back ping them) when I could have frozen the lane near my tower and backed, so now I come back to lane one level under my opponent who died and the lane is frozen at his tower (maaster yi junglers are especially guilty of this)

blkh11 votes

Ah, freezing the wave. So few times I have seen that in play.

luna is my mommy1 votes

Meanwhile if your an adc bot whos 0/3/6 due to your support and jungler taking your kills right when they are about to die and your ezreal and right next to the enemy, then they call you worthless because you dont "deal enough damage" in teamfights it gets annoying. Then everyone says your bitching because your "feeding" and dont have any kills as 1/4/6 now and you're team is winning but your not doing much in that.

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