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I think everyone is complaining too much about new champ select

IDeoxite·1/15/2016, 1:05:02 PM·116 votes·4,499 views

^Title. I've only played 2 games on it so far, but as a player in plat 3, It was fast and every single person in the lobby talked about how awesome it was, and how it's so much better than old champ select. Now I know these are just opinions, but I think you all need to give new champ select a chance to actually roll out before you complain about it being awful. Riot literally gave you an option to not have to fill anymore. Rito listened to our pleas and gave you a choice of 2 roles. If you're reading this and decide that you can't be satisfied with 2 roles and you need to just have 1, then you must be the guy in old champ select who instalocked your position, even if it had already been called/picked higher up in the draft. Seriously. It's so much nicer being able to be assured that you will get a role that you can play.

Another thing: just calm down. The last couple days the boards have been blasted with posts about Jhin being op, or the new champ select not working. Riot knows. Jhin hasn't even been released, so how do you know how he'll play? That's what the PBE was made for, and he isn't even out on the PBE yet. Champ select hit NA and Turkey as a test before being fully put into motion. It isn't finished yet, give Riot a chance to work out the bugs. The longer its in effect, the better it will become.

Rant over. The moral of the story is just to please give new things a chance. So many people will see something new, and immediately hate it, even if said new arrival (specifically Jhin and new champ select) hasn't even come out yet. Chill out, and give Riot a chance to test their new product and fix any bugs/kinks. New champ select will only improve, and we'll see how Jhin plays when we can play him.

Also I'm curious to know how many people out there like/dislike new picks/bans. Just wonderin'. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

59 Comments

Dragfin1/15/2016, 1:49:56 PM18 votes

Of course they are complaining. That is what people do when change happens. Most people can't adapt to change and therefore feel the need to express that. The last major bitch period was when Riot changed the UI. All the bitching stopped after awhile. Give it a couple months and it will go away as is typical of any changes. It always has been and always will be a circle of stupidity.

Sarutobi1/15/2016, 2:05:11 PM7 votes

This always happen when changes are made, or new content comes out. Don't get me wrong people have some valid complaints about it. I haven't tested it out yet, but I'm sure people are just exaggerating when it comes to this. Hell I remember people complaining when team builder came out if anything I see the same complaints TB had when it first came out with this new mode!

IDeoxite1/15/2016, 1:47:08 PM7 votes

I totally understand where you guys are coming from, the long queue times are incredibly annoying. I think that's something that will improve over time, though. Once they figure out the system more and things have had time to settle down with the season starting and such.

Smitty Manjensen1/15/2016, 5:08:14 PM7 votes

Kinda hilarious how people suddenly mention team builder, while yesterday nobody gave 2 shits about it, so amusing.

WeFlyNoLie1/15/2016, 5:07:42 PM6 votes

I think its fantastic.

I literally got to play my main champ and main role 4 games in a row and it was like a totally different ranked experience.

Everybody was playing what they were good at and champs that they were good at. Made the games much more competitive.

I look forward to the start of the new ranked season with this.

Skim1/15/2016, 6:56:56 PM4 votes

I've been using team builder since the day it came out so there has been no instalocking for me. There has been no dealing people who troll pick like rumble adc because if i didn't like that I could kick them/leave that group and suffer no penalty. I think the new system is awesome for ranked and it has it's place there but it doesn't belong in normals. I want to be able to play mirrors matches and I don't want to worry about counterpicking and banning in normals. It's supposed to be casual play and this just make it feels more like ranked.

I know Riot said they will add blind pick mode in the future but why take team builder away now? Many of the complaints are justifed, and I hope riot actully pays attention to them this time.

(Btw before the "just another complainer" feedback comes out, i've been playing since season 1 and this is only the 2nd real time i've felt strongly enough about something to make posts/be active on the forums about getting a fix to the issues this new select brings.

SrirachaLimes1/15/2016, 5:34:21 PM4 votes

"If you're reading this and decide that you can't be satisfied with 2 roles and you need to just have 1, then you must be the guy in old champ select who instalocked your position, even if it had already been called/picked higher up in the draft. Seriously. It's so much nicer being able to be assured that you will get a role that you can play."

This refutation doesn't even make sense.

In Team Builder there is no instalocking of positions. Mostly everyone complaining are people from Team Builder who would use Team Builder to play X champ in Y lane. They would play exactly what they WANTED to play. That was the point.

That, and quite a few of the upvoted threads on this matter don't really need to "chill out." They often just make suggestions of keeping Team Builder, while at the same time stating how great this new champ select is. They just want to be able to get the role they want for sure, instead of having to play a role they don't want to play for about 30 minutes, which is usually not fun. And the number 1 reason for playing this game is to have fun.

You're last statement says it all. It's not about being able to get a role that you CAN play. I can play all the roles at a decent level. But there are roles I want to play over others, and some roles I don't find very fun (depending on how I feel). People just want that option that ensures they can get the role they WANT to play, not what they CAN play.

Kieferr1/15/2016, 6:05:03 PM3 votes

Tbh the new champ select is amazing, I'm loving it a lot. To the ppl who whine about being "forced to play a certain role", yes, you are EXACTLY the kind of person who would instalock in a normal blind pick, or steal a role that's already been taken. Grow the fuck up! This is the answer to all our complaints. If you're a one-trick pony that can only play one role... I literally have no fucking idea how u survived the old draft system at all...

Utok1/15/2016, 8:42:34 PM3 votes

People are not complaining about the new queue. I personally think for draft (normal or ranked) it is a much better system.

What they are complaining about is the removal of TB and being forced to play Normal Draft. (Blind Pick is a non-starter for so many reasons..).

HeartlessWytche1/15/2016, 10:23:17 PM3 votes

Note that you have a sampling bias on the poll. People who are okay with new champ select are more likely to click this forum topic than people who want to complain.

That said 4 games on live and about 15 on PBE, longest wait on live was 3m, longest on PBE was 20m, and the PBE has way less players. I think people in super long Qs are making shit up, in low priority, or just only select top/mid.

edit I'm a Jungle/Support. So uh, yea. Zzzzz

UdderNonsense1/15/2016, 1:21:31 PM2 votes

as a top/mid player it really takes ALOT longer to queue than before i had to wait 18 minutes for a game.......... kinda annoying but at least i got the role i wanted without trolls........ i guess sacrificing time for good games is worth it in the long run cuz my rank will only improve this way

NegusInParis1/15/2016, 5:48:23 PM2 votes

People are afraid of change and always prefer to stick with the old and known. It will take some time before they realise that change is good and what possibilities it brings

Urgonnalearn2day1/15/2016, 3:23:42 PM2 votes

I'm skeptical. Ending up watching gone with the wind because it was down. Will try tonight.

Autrah Fang1/15/2016, 5:12:34 PM2 votes

well, if no one posts about any bugs they encounter with it how is Riot supposed to fix them? :P although if they're being super rage-y about it, saying things like "omg Riot how could you release this bug filled mess omfg releasing new champ select was the worst thing you could do! hurrdurrdurr" then i could see your point lol. otherwise i agree with your post, people need to calm down, and actually give the queue a chance.. from my experience as long as you don't choose support as your secondary roll you'll get your primary at least ~70% of the time

SavageWolf1/16/2016, 3:43:50 AM1 votes

I like the new matchmaking but waiting over 40 mins to get into a game because people dodge or fail to lock in is really not acceptable.

The Soulforged1/16/2016, 6:24:27 AM1 votes

It enforces a set way of placing players that teambuilder didn't necessarily do. When it comes to actual playing meta, it works normally in ranked, can't say it's better or worse since I don't know enough.

Worst Kench NA1/16/2016, 6:30:41 AM1 votes

The new champion select is great, I think. Nothing has really changed in game, I still lose every single match unless someone carries me. As long as I pick fill for my role, queue times go by super-quick.

Zakt0n1/16/2016, 6:51:11 AM1 votes

enjoying waiting 30 minutes between games again tonight, almost as much fun as doing it last night

my favorite part is i have to stare at the screen to babysit selections every couple minutes

Something Snazzy1/16/2016, 7:00:02 AM1 votes

Four times as Top primary. Four times as fill secondary. Four times stuck as support. I HATE this new champion select.

The worst part is that FILL is screwed into support constantly despite being the nicest possible choice to other players. I get that I will support more. I do not want to support ALL THE TIME.

Finally, I HATE the new pidgeonhole aspect. Fill, to me, is using my wide arsenal of champions to counter any lane or fill a need (like tank, or ap/ad if we are heavy into one). Now, I cannot do that what-so-ever. There is no strategy.

Anyone who likes this are people who auto-lock or demand a role. Anyone who likes to fill a need or counter any lane is screwed. It removes fun and strategy.

Edit Oh and really long load times despite chosing Fill as a secondary.

Singing Lark1/16/2016, 7:15:47 AM1 votes

I think a lot of the frustration is also coming from the fact that Champ select now takes a few minutes longer to finish and the sole amounts of dodges due to players being stupid and not locking in despite the warnings telling them they need to lock in. I don't mind champ select being slightly longer, but the two together really gets to me.

I'm sure that'll die down once people start getting used to it though.

Va2RP94AbV1/16/2016, 8:51:22 AM1 votes

riot needs to fix the summoner bug it tends to bring me in game with the last summoners used instead of the newly selected ones nothing like going from top one game into a support and then still having teleport instead of exhaust and losing lane because of people jumping you early without it

CoffeeDave1/16/2016, 8:58:00 AM1 votes

I don't want to complain. I want to like the new system, but as a support main, I don't seem to get my role anymore. I just seem to get my secondary role. even if I put support as my secondary role I just don't get it. Is support really that popular that I can't get it?

Shuji 1/16/2016, 12:05:24 PM1 votes

All the troll bans makes the game sooo much better...

Bret Hitman Hart1/16/2016, 9:20:19 PM1 votes

I have a nuanced opinion about the new champion select I am going to try and explain as best I can.

First: it's clearly superior to the old draft mode. I don't think anyone is really arguing this. People can play the roles they're best at, matchmaking places them with others that are good at the other roles, great. I haven't seen many justifiable complaints about this aspect.

There are, however, two issues people have brought up that I think have some validity.

The first of these involves casual players, of which I consider myself one. It used to be that a casual player could happily jump into team builder and play a quick game as whatever champion they wished. Now, that's been taken away from them. I've seen some arguments from more hardcore players saying how great it is that the queues have been merged - but is this really true? All that's happening is the casual players are now in games with people who play upwards of 3 games per day.

The second involves the much belabored team queues. To illustrate my point: I am a low-level player. I am never going to be anything but a low-level player. I simply do not have the time or devotion to raise myself up in Ranked even if I wanted to. I don't meet a lot of people who play this game, nor do I really make myself available to play with those I do meet while playing simply because I don't play enough. So if I'm queuing, it's nearly always solo. Unfortunately, in the few games I've played in the new draft mode, the teams have been wildly unbalanced. Last game, I went up against a four-man premade of high gold/low platinum players. Our team was mostly pre-30 with one guy in silver 2. We got squashed. It wasn't even some weird queue time either: middle of the afternoon on a Friday.

There are definitely some issues remaining to be worked out. I hope in the next few weeks Riot manages to iron out the issues in the new Matchmaking - if they do, only the first issue will really be a big deal. I am definitely one of those who supports bringing back team builder, as it was the most friendly experience I've had playing this game.

Dealth1/17/2016, 2:02:29 AM1 votes

The only downside is that it takes about 30-45 minutes to start a match now because of everyone dodging but I think that will fix itself.

afurryrabbit1/17/2016, 11:58:20 AM1 votes

The need to lock in your pick is dumb, if you dont click anything, yeah you should be booted, but if you select a champ but forget to lock you shouldnt get booted plus bantime plus then everyone else has to reQueue

Myer1/15/2016, 4:40:37 PM1 votes

Yeah I agree with you. I'm plat 3 also and the times are really fast and I get my role. I main mid and jungle and it really helps.

4thHorsman1/15/2016, 4:50:10 PM1 votes

My only issue with it so far was yesterday when they were having issues with bugs in it, but it looks like it works fine now.

BamBamBugaloo1/15/2016, 4:57:58 PM1 votes

I don't mind the process it walks me through but in 10 games I've only been put in my secondary choice. WTH the only 2 games where I got primary someone bailed. When I've asked others they have only ever been put in their primary. How does that make any sense? It's not consistent at all which makes me not want to play.

Ahmed Elsaghir1/15/2016, 5:00:59 PM1 votes

best way is to make new champ select in Normal Blind pick bec. Best trolls happened in it as i think way to choose champ. looks better than old one

Spacesuit Spiff1/15/2016, 6:35:16 PM1 votes

Im avoiding it for a few days because currently so many games get dodged because people dont realize they need to lock in, or dodge because they only wanted one role (exactly like the old system). Its promising but not worth waiting an hour to play

The Elucidator1/15/2016, 6:45:47 PM1 votes

The new champion select of course isn't necessarily bad but riot completely ignores people who are not level 30. Some of my friends are waiting more than 30 minutes just to get in a Q just because there aren't THAT many under lvl 30 players and to top it off they all want to play the same roles. Most are very respectable of the unwritten blind pick "first call gets the role" law and this new q ruins the shorts Qs low level players now have to deal with. Also WHY ARE WE FORCED TO BAN IN BLIND PICK NOW? Literal ruining the point of blind pick and making champ select take for fcking ever. Blind pick is supposed to be go in and get in game in like 3 minutes not 30 (including q time).

Top River King1/15/2016, 7:17:31 PM1 votes

In 3 matches, and about a half dozen champ selects, I've gotten my first preference (support) every time. The other champ selects, someone dodged for seemingly no reason (except the one time someone failed to lock in their pick).

Only one champ select had someone with the "screw the system" attitude people worried others would have. She was mid, but went Ashe simply because she's an ADC main and didn't feel like playing on-meta mids. (And she, at one point, said she didn't even want to mid) Off-meta is okay, but it led to bickering in champ select, and she proceeded to do nothing (not even MIA) while her lane opponent, Ahri, roamed elsewhere picking up kills. We lost.

Besides that, the champ select experience has been a positive and smooth one. I've seen far less toxicity in champ select than in team builder (or ranked draft, for that matter), which I used to play almost exclusively. It helps that you have plenty of time to decide on champions, team comp, strategy, etc., and there's no anxiety about not getting your role. The wait times aren't ideal, especially considering I've been queuing up as support/top, but I expect those will drop some eventually, and I'm willing to wait a little longer if it means I'm guaranteed a role I want to play.

vinyl scratch8081/15/2016, 8:05:10 PM1 votes

i don't hate the new character selection for blind/draft, but as a casual player it doesn't appeal to me. since i might only get to play a game or 2 a day it was nice having team builder since i can play exactly what i wanted with out my teammates harassing me.

i think this new update is a great change for the competitive players out there. but for the casual player base i think this new update kinda singles us out.

Protoform X1/15/2016, 10:19:48 PM1 votes

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^Title. I've only played 2 games on it so far, but as a player in plat 3, It was fast and every single person in the lobby talked about how awesome it was, and how it's so much better than old champ select. Now I know these are just opinions, but I think you all need to give new champ select a chance to actually roll out before you complain about it being awful. Riot literally gave you an option to not have to fill anymore. Rito listened to our pleas and gave you a choice of 2 roles. If you're reading this and decide that you can't be satisfied with 2 roles and you need to just have 1, then you must be the guy in old champ select who instalocked your position, even if it had already been called/picked higher up in the draft. Seriously. It's so much nicer being able to be assured that you will get a role that you can play.

I've been assuming that every negative post on these boards about the new champ select was posted by instalockers. Aside from one reasonably written post from a casual player who exclusively supports, that is.

TastyDonutz1/15/2016, 11:51:58 PM1 votes

it's okay but some of the stuff is bad. The lock thing is forcing too many dodges, take it out. Also, it doesn't save my summoners from the last champ select if there is a dodge.

Sammystorm1/16/2016, 12:07:04 AM1 votes

Alot of the complaints have less to do with people selecting roles and more with integrity of the ranked system which is a very valid concern. However yes people are probably complaining too much.

Der Stechschritt1/16/2016, 12:26:27 AM1 votes

I just want to be able to not lock in my champ so I can happy poopy time

Jot Te1/16/2016, 2:20:56 AM1 votes

New champ select is amazing. Makes it incredibly difficult to troll. As long as people remember to lock in their picks and bans.