So toxic it hurts, I need to stop caring but I can't.

I Am Become Deft·3/5/2015, 3:00:01 PM·16 votes·4,097 views

Ok so never felt this bad about a video game, can someone give me some perspective.

I got into a ranked game and first picked ezreal, because he's fairly versatile. And the lane ends up being ezreal thresh vs. Sivir Morgana. I was kind of worried about the double shield (ezreal is very spell reliant) but I tried to stay optimistic. At the beginning of the game I said "Sivir can block your q or my q thresh, but she can't block both". Kayle said "I like the optimism". I was happy to have at least one positive teammate. And then we started losing lane, hard. In auto trades she did more damage and it was impossible to q her (double shield). Honestly I ate a few too many morgana bindings, and I'm willing to admit that my mistakes cost us the game. Thresh suddenly started satin things like "wtf ez", "this ez". And when Kayle Ganked botlane and died (Sivir was already fed at this point) she blamed me because it was free shut down gold. The second half of the game consisted of thresh taking my ca and roaming to other lanes, and the entire time thresh and Kayle are just venting on me. I eventually respond to their harass, which made it much worse, but here's some of what they said.

Me: I'm not the only one making mistakes here Kayle: Yah but you're really bad Me: I thought you were optimistic? Kayle: I was until I saw how bad you were Kayle: Hard to be optimistic when you see pure garbage Kayle: Man this thresh is really good, how did you lose lane so hard? Thresh: I literally set up every kill for him, and he didn't do anything. Me: (After getting the only tower we ever got that game) Well I got a tower, that's more than any of you can do. Thresh: so bad

Etc. etc.

This stuff makes me feel sad to my core. Like that feeling of "heartbreak" after a relationship ends. What's worse is that Kayle was actually nice at the beginning of the game, so I took some of what she said seriously.

Why are people so mean? Why can't people just not be total fuckwads over the internet?

51 Comments

FHMarshy3/5/2015, 3:12:11 PM17 votes

Damn your Kayle had 31 CS in a 20 minutes game. Lmao that's a new

Aerothal3/5/2015, 3:07:31 PM11 votes

so you take things others say to your heart... Dear friend, you HAVE to make use of the mute button! When you are having a bad game and people start saying things like "This Ez", muting them is the best way to shield yourself! Typing in general or following and answering chat while you are already having a bad game is a further distraction that will do nothing for you.

I've had games where i started of really bad, made some awful mistakes and was way behind. People usually get annoyed quickly. I mute them all and concentrate on MY gameplay. More than once have i been able to pick it back up!

I suggest you start using mute very liberally!

Eleshakai3/5/2015, 7:02:14 PM5 votes

Just as an aside though... never stop caring. Please. We need more people in every gaming community who actually care, not less.

Izbiz3/5/2015, 3:09:36 PM4 votes

The best experience to avoid these situations is to own your mistakes. If you both die, it's your fault. Regardless of what happens, it's 100% your fault. You need to verbalize that.

I lost HARD to a Cass recently. 0-4 in lane as Viktor. Jung gave her doubles and she took full advantage. Me: "Sorry guys, this Cass is just better than me. I'm going to be farming under tower."

Now, we got destroyed. But no one complained at anyone the entire game.

Your biggest mistake from the above example is saying: "Me: I'm not the only one making mistakes here"

They now see a shitty Ez player (paraphrased) trying to make excuses/blame someone else. You may be right, but you can only control how YOU play the game. So calling out someone else's mistakes doesn't help anyone. They might not even see their mistake as a mistake.

#my2cents

b1TLHaKERl3/6/2015, 3:56:30 PM4 votes

I just play along and ask them to tell me how bad I am, and eventually they'll realize that it's not making me feel like crap the way they wanted to. If someone is raging you and you take it in stride and make light of the situation, that's better than puking toxicity back at them, so I don't know where Riot stands on that but eh, whatever. Make light of it, play along, laugh at it! Or just use the mute button.

Imagine this face raging at you when they rage, it makes it easier to laugh at them.

MrPerson103/5/2015, 3:01:58 PM3 votes

Keyboard warriors need to grow their e-penis, that's how it all works.

Konidias3/5/2015, 6:38:35 PM3 votes

Just agree with them. Say "yep, I'm straight garbo" and laugh about it.

Who cares? People have bad games... It's not like every game you play is being scrutinized by LCS teams who are looking to pick you up. You might not ever see those people again... ever. So why care about how they feel about you?

Finally, if people start negging on you for doing badly, it just means they are scrubs who were relying on you to carry them and they are now upset because they suck at the game and know they are going to lose. That's all.

People don't want a challenge, they want easy spoon fed wins. Give people the choice between an easy game where enemy feeds/afks and a tough game where they are constantly fighting an uphill battle, and most people will take the easy feed/afk game every time. Then when they rank up, they act like it was all because of their amazing skill.

Most people when they are losing blame the rest of their team, and when they are winning they take all the credit. I've had games where my enemy laner played HORRIBLY and I just dominated him but the rest of his team was crushing mine... by mid/late he is trash talking our team and gloating like he's the best player ever... even though he is getting carried hard. It's just a lot of people's mindset and it's sad but that's the reality.

Trash MammaI3/5/2015, 4:05:42 PM2 votes

Tab and mute. Hide chat box Try to work off bad plays/mistakes/getting caught Ward since nobody else will Roam

I didn't even read the post and i'm almost certain one of these is the solution to your issue.

Monstar Energy3/6/2015, 9:11:10 AM2 votes

dude this community is disgusting. it is the absolute worst history in gaming history. i have LITERALLY seen terrorists treat people better than some of the people i meet on this game. i have to deal with trolls 2/3 games 2/3 GAMES i end up reporting SOMEONE almost every single game... i just played a game, where yi would come up to what i'm trying to farm, take it, and then says "if there is farm near me i take it". and then starts flaming me and talking shit. i'm fucking sick of it. you people are assholes.

AuraMax3/5/2015, 7:14:01 PM2 votes

/muteall Guaranteed to stop 99.9% of league toxicity

bad arcade kitty3/6/2015, 1:11:20 AM1 votes

support is always right adc is always wrong that's all

Crett3/6/2015, 1:16:40 AM1 votes

You've got nothing to prove to people who behave like persnickety snobs; you played League to have fun, and that's what matters. Don't let anyone take that from you, mute them and have fun with the game for what it's worth.

agbudar3/6/2015, 1:47:02 AM1 votes

just remember they didn't carry you hard enough.

cheer up pal we all had these type of games.

just remember to differentiate from critisism and pure flaming.

i can't stress enough that the adc should always focus the target of the support if the support sees a chance to blow his cooldowns mana. you would be surprised at how much "improvements" you make

an a quick lolking really shows me nothing more then that your entire team sucked. sure this tresh might be able to land hooks.

its like that blitz one time always landing his hook on that god level akali so akali didn't need to burn a stack/flash to delete our adc

my best advice though... use that all ignore and just leave it be.

Spacesuit Spiff3/6/2015, 4:55:33 AM1 votes

Yeah, basically just instant mute as soon as you see it starting. As long as there are 2 or 3 unmuted people, it won't hurt the communication.

This community is just ridiculous unless you play during school hours. I just had the support afk because he wanted wolves and jungle smited them, even though we were far ahead.

Edit: youd love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y496qKlfz8

A Hug3/6/2015, 7:03:54 AM1 votes

Don't feel too bad friend! I know how you feel, and sometimes it does make you feel a bit down, but it's League, and you're bound to run into these kinds of issues a lot, if not most of the time (even if all not directed at you). Just remember mute is your buddy, and we've all had our fair share of seeing/hearing those kinds of things, so you're not alone ^ ^

And besides, you have good games, you have bad games. Even if you make mistakes, the point of playing is to improve and enjoy yourself.

Malix Farwin3/6/2015, 10:22:00 AM1 votes

Mute is your friend.

InsaneSamurai3/6/2015, 2:37:43 PM1 votes

The community has gotten to the point where this is normal, and doesn't get punished. Sad really, because if Riot spent the cash that they spent on fancy animated videos and big stage shows for LCS games on fixing the community, this game might be a decent place to talk to people.

Takeuchi 173/6/2015, 3:36:21 PM1 votes

not talking to them and copy pasting what they say and reporting generally helps. its hard to keep your mouth shut but in the end its for the best and usually they'll start taking their toxicity to all chat and the other team might even help report them for you

jv21blU7oD3/6/2015, 4:01:24 PM1 votes

Because games are serious business.

Just mute people that start flaming you if you don't wanna deal with it.

Blood Warrant3/6/2015, 5:29:52 PM1 votes

It's easy to be positive as Kayle.. After all being able to keep a stupid OP ability with stupid OP range constantly active while costing virtually no mana must be pretty good.

Raja Chachki3/5/2015, 3:19:44 PM1 votes

mute button hun....LOL ignore them, an considering it's a fucking video game, you can survive this. after looking through your match history......YOUR ENTIRE TEAM DID HORRID. I have NO idea why they were blaming you dude, I'm sorry.

Eleshakai3/5/2015, 4:16:15 PM1 votes

If, every time you make a mistake, you briefly apologize for it... people will USUALLY not overreact to it overall.

The honest truth, though, is that people are affected by the positivity or negativity of others. That KAyle probably WAS a perfectly ordinary individual... but when three other people are being nasty, it's very easy to fall into the trap of thinking that they're right.

BEst bet is to just mute them during the game and after the game is over do something else for a few hours or a day and come back refreshed for a new game.

rth23/5/2015, 4:21:42 PM1 votes

You have some good advice. If you want to avoid this type of behavior completely, then by all means use the mute button and use it early.

So if I have an extra bad game here is something I like to watch :

Aphromoo's Solo Queue Wisdom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61zfM63v60

{quoted}

Me: I'm not the only one making mistakes here Kayle: Yah but you're really bad Me: I thought you were optimistic? Kayle: I was until I saw how bad you were Kayle: Hard to be optimistic when you see pure garbage Kayle: Man this thresh is really good, how did you lose lane so hard? Thresh: I literally set up every kill for him, and he didn't do anything. Me: (After getting the only tower we ever got that game) Well I got a tower, that's more than any of you can do. Thresh: so bad

Whatever led to the first line of this conversation was not worth a response. When somebody is just complaining and complaining they are just looking for a comment they can latch onto and attack. I can almost guarantee that if somebody besides thresh* responded they would probably be attacked by these two. If someone is just fishing for an argument, don't participate in it. It just takes away from your concentration, makes you play worse, and then makes you feel worse for playing worse. If someone is spam complaining, just mute them. If they are being really nasty about it, report them after the game. That is the course of action provided you in this game.

*I say anyone besides thresh because you were playing ranked. When you are playing ranked and two people are going off on someone chances are they are a duo queue. They will back each other up instead of admitting one of them did poorly 9/10 times. Also, there is no use saying "You are prolly duo." They will say they aren't, even if they are.

Why are people so mean? Why can't people just not be total fuckwads over the internet?

People are mean over the internet, in person, and in LoL for many reasons. One of the most prominent reasons people are mean online / in LoL is because of anonymity. You don't know who they are, they don't know who you are, and you will most likely never meet in these circumstances again. Unless you are challenger or high diamond 1 where the player base is a lot smaller.

As a side note, this is why when you watch Challenger streams and what not, there is generally more laughing (even in all chat) and less flaming. If somebody does flame it is usually the same person and i've even seen people flame one game then apologize on a later day because they realized they were being jerks. This is because these players play with each other all the time. That wall of anonymity has broken down as the names and players are more familiar to each other.

If you are below that ranking though then the chances get much more likely you will not see each other again. So people will just make you the sacrificial lamb for whatever is making them mad. This could be there own bad plays (example that jungle kayle ganking a fed sivir / morgana lane? They are ahead. And nobody is landing CC on those 2. Horrible idea.), maybe they are on a losing streak, maybe they had a bad day at work, they had a test at school they did poorly on, they broke up with their significant other/had a fight, etc... Anything that makes them feel bad, so they turn to league to make themselves feel better. Also, I have found that a lot of players are frustrated due to a lack of understanding about how to alter the situation they are in. With your example, thresh/kayle were on a losing team and did not know what they could do to turn that game around, so instead of admitting they did not know how to win and therefore had room to improve, they just passed the blame onto somebody else who was also not having a good game.

If you have a bad game, just seek out the areas you could improve on (the best way to do this is via a recording of the game), try your best, and then work to fix those mistakes later. Also, bad games happen.

This trick actually helps me a lot now. I honestly pretend when people are raging, flaming, etc... that they have probably just had the worst days of their lives. This dude just woke up from a coma after having his leg amputated type of day. They may have just lost their job / spouse. They are having some kind of bad thing happen and they came to LoL to try and feel good. However, they are handling it badly. Report them after game by all means if they are being out of line. But in game I just take it as someone having a tantrum and either mute them or just ignore them in chat.

Just pretend it is one of your friends having a rough day, they took it out on you, and they realize it later and apologize. Except in this case you never have to hear from that jerk again!! :}

Work on your own play, play with people who help you build up your confidence, and once you have that confidence this stuff won't bother you as much. And remember to keep having fun while playing this game.

Jubbinaut3/5/2015, 4:41:02 PM1 votes

I have found that owning my misplays immediately helps defuse a lot of toxicity aimed my way. It's particularly effective if I'm specific about what the issue was - poor decisions, bad positioning, whatever.

There's times where it doesn't work - some people really are just looking for an excuse to be a jerk. I tend to pay less attention to what those people have to say (though unless they're just extremely annoying/bothersome/offensive, I don't bother muting them - your mileage may vary there), dismissing things that aren't timers, ward pings, dragon calls, etc.

Another thing that helps is that I try to look at every mistake as a learning experience. Instead of focusing on how terrible my engage was, I try to figure out why it was so bad. Was I not paying enough attention to the map, or my allies' health? Was I too slow on the jump? Was my team not in a position to follow up? Answering those kinds of questions is more important than dwelling on the fact of the mistake, because they'll help prevent similar issues in the future (whether that game or later games).

mvargus3/5/2015, 4:54:42 PM1 votes

Well, there are a lot of factors here. Some you had control over, but many you didn't.

First - never ever try to engage once the other person starts complaining. You'll lose that in a hurry even if you try to own up with a "my bad" comment. Your comment that "I'm not the only one making mistakes" was an open invitation for Kayle to lash out and once that starts its not uncommon for others to pile on. That is probably the first mistake you made, but its a big one.

Second - One big danger on the internet is that it is largely anonymous. Most people playing LoL had usernames that don't really identify them so there is an easy ability to pretend that you aren't typing insults at a real life person. You don't know Kayle or Thresh in real life and they don't know you. It makes it a lot easier for someone to get extremely negative and insulting because there is no expectation of any physical retaliation. If they were to mouth of like that in real life punches would probably be thrown, but over the internet they feel safe lashing out in anger.

Third - You don't know what kind of day or person the Kayle and Thresh are so there is no way to know why they were so angry. So again, don't poke the bear once they start getting a bit negative. Just work on your play.


Now, I haven't looked at any kind of match recap so I can't say what exactly happened, but I noted that you said to Thresh at the start that the double shield would be a potential problem. This made me think that you had set yourself up a bit. It sounds like you wanted to run a "kill lane" where the goal is to kill the enemy champs 2v2, but from the start you knew that trades were likely to go against you due to the shields Morgana and Sivir could put out. Then you admit that Morgana was catching you quite often, which suggests you were very aggressive and not keeping minions between you and her. That suggests that you came to lane with one plan and didn't adjust. Unfortunately I'm sure Kayle and Thresh caught on to that after the first couple of deaths. That only firmed up their idea that you were bad rather than playing poorly.

The only way to fix that is after your first death, don't be too proud to say. "My bad" And then adjust your play to try to avoid dying that way again.

I often seem to use my personal experiences in this game as examples. One recent one that fits this situation goes back to the fact that since Sunday I've played a lot of games with a brand new player. He's only level 8 right now and obviously still learning. In many games he comes in with me and other members of my teamspeak community and will be the lowest leveled player by a huge margin. We make sure to tell anyone from outside the community that he's new and do work to cover for him and coach him. We've had a couple players get upset, but most have been quite friendly when we explain the situation. Especially as this player is humble and willing to type "My bad" when he does get beat. A little humility often wards off a chat turning toxic as if you are already willing to admit that you made a mistake its a lot harder for anyone to attack you without feeling like they are kicking someone who is already down. Most players won't because it just looks bad.

Beyond that all you can do is once the toxicity starts, use mute. You'll never win if you argue.

KlNG ACE3/5/2015, 7:22:17 PM1 votes

press /mute all, they arent worth responding to

Fredart3/5/2015, 7:37:11 PM1 votes

Why should he continue to sit and watch you fail? If you can't put out after getting the cs whats the point of continuing to support you? Sounds like you picked an marksman while pretending to be a carry.

sir d wreck3/5/2015, 7:46:56 PM1 votes

Sir, or Sirette, mute and move on. People like that don't help jack or shit, so you don't need to be distracted by typing back to them like you did. Not saying it's your fault, but sometimes the mute option can save a game, and your patience.

JedenVojak3/6/2015, 12:49:43 AM1 votes

Well, how to deal with people being pissed off at you and calling you trash, if it bothers you, mute them, and you won't have to hear anything else you say.

Aside from that, try to stop feeding (not trying to be a dick here, I've had these games believe me) and play super safe, help out in other ways; you could try split pushing (you have some escapes after all) just ward, pew at towers and run like hell. You could even try building tankier- not saying it's desirable, but if the enemy has gotten into the habit of thinking you should be an easy kill, if you're not all of a sudden, they'll waste more resources on you just trying to kill you, which will set up for the rest of your members to do stuff.

Basically the worse you've done early game the safer/trollier (to the enemy team, that is) you have to play. If your teammates see you making the legit effort, and if you level with them, I've found people will be a bit more forgiving than if you're just "well you also screwed up so there".