If you agree to boost people...

Hot Belly Dancer·Sep 8, 2016·25 votes·1,697 views

You're as bad as them, no integrity and no consideration for others. i would never boost someone whether they are my friend or sibling, as it would end up screwing some other honest people. and as a player i would never want someone to boost me, as i have some pride and love the feeling of achievement, reaching my goal. i have no idea how Dynamic queue got approved, but one thing ill say, whoever created that crap system must have been stuck at bronze 5 0 lp for so long, that he got fed up and used the excuse of 'pleyin wid frinds' so he could get himself out of that shithole.

38 Comments

LeonerdoSep 8, 201613 votes

Sigh... I was with you until you mentioned Dynamic Queue. Boosting is not a DQ problem. It is a smurf problem and an account sharing problem. If someone goes up in rank by playing with their friends (no smurfs involved), then it is because they fucking played the team game better than the opposing team and they deserve the wins. And there IS a MMR modifier that compensates for eaiser communication among premades; so if premades want to climb they have to communicate better than the average premade.

SlntReaperSep 8, 20162 votes

First of all, premades do encourage boosting. I'm bronze and want to git gud? Play with my Gold friend! (By partying with a silver) It really screws over a lot of people. And also, a 4 man team has a much higher win rate because they have discord and shit, but the 5 solos they face don't. Also, that one guy in the 4 man premade gets wrecked since no one helps him and then flamed for feeding. Also, a 4 man can be salty to that one guy because, who's gonna stop them? It's just one report.

LeonerdoSep 8, 20163 votes

Historically (by which I mean, this has always been the case), parties with widely different skill levels tend to perform poorly, or at least are very inconsistent. So partying with someone two or more tiers above isn't going to help at all.

And as I said before, there is an MMR modifier that gives premades harder matches to make up for that Discord advantage. The modifier can be overcome if you're using that voice chat to it's fullest extent, but for most people that's pretty hard and worth rewarding anyways.

And yes, 4-man premades can be abusive, but it doesn't happen often. And it's really no worse than solo flamers. Also, that one report still makes a difference. (I never confirmed if this was true, but someone said that multiple reports in one game don't stack.)

SlntReaperSep 9, 20161 votes

Ok, but there is still the problem that a gold friend is much more mechanically skilled than a bronze or silver. Although you may call gold a "shiny bronze," it's actually an accomplishment for good players. That one gold, or two golds, will carry a game. I've seen one man carries in which the rest of the team is FEEDING. Also I did not know about the MMR modifier, thanks for telling me And finally, a bunch of toxic 4 man's walking around reporting everyone is not gonna be good for the game, period. Just the psychological effects of being "reported for being a noob" is bad for some people.

LeonerdoSep 9, 20161 votes

I've been that high-level friend who carries the game single-handed. But I've also been that high-level friend who stomps lane, looks at the scoreboard, and realizes it doesn't matter because the other two lanes and jungle are far behind. (And I've been the high-level guy who fails to win lane, so no lanes are winning at all.) It's a team game, and believe it or not, it's actually harder to win when you are the only strong player on your team, compared to having that strength spread out. Partially because it's easy to focus that one dude who is way farther ahead, and once he's dead destroy the rest of the team.

As for toxic 4 mans, yes it really sucks, but it's also rarer than you think. Most 4-mans just ignore the fifth player, which I'd take any day over 4 solo players (1 of which is on tilt and 1 which is pushing him further down Tilt Lane). More frustration overall would probably come from removing the ability to make 4-mans. (Also people would be confused to have 2, 3 and 5-mans possible, but not 4).

archseraph1mSep 9, 20161 votes

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Historically (by which I mean, this has always been the case), parties with widely different skill levels tend to perform poorly, or at least are very inconsistent. So partying with someone two or more tiers above isn't going to help at all.

And as I said before, there is an MMR modifier that gives premades harder matches to make up for that Discord advantage. The modifier can be overcome if you're using that voice chat to it's fullest extent, but for most people that's pretty hard and worth rewarding anyways.

And yes, 4-man premades can be abusive, but it doesn't happen often. And it's really no worse than solo flamers. Also, that one report still makes a difference. (I never confirmed if this was true, but someone said that multiple reports in one game don't stack.)

how do you know how often the abusive 4 ques happen?

LeonerdoSep 9, 20162 votes

I've read all the dev blogs they put out from time to time. Basically 4-mans are rare, and within that set toxic premades are also quite rare. I don't remember any exact numbers, but a conservative estimate is like 3% of games have a 4-man, and 20% of 4-mans are toxic. So overall 0.6% of games have an abusive 4-man. And I think the real number is much lower. I don't know about you but I can deal with a toxic 4-man once in 200 games. Mute, report, and move on.

archseraph1mSep 9, 20161 votes

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I've read all the dev blogs they put out from time to time. Basically 4-mans are rare, and within that set toxic premades are also quite rare. I don't remember any exact numbers, but a conservative estimate is like 3% of games have a 4-man, and 20% of 4-mans are toxic. So overall 0.6% of games have an abusive 4-man. And I think the real number is much lower. I don't know about you but I can deal with a toxic 4-man once in 200 games. Mute, report, and move on.

devs also said that solo q was coming back i dont believe a word they say

DrCyanideSep 9, 20165 votes

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First of all, premades do encourage boosting. I'm bronze and want to git gud? Play with my Gold friend! (By partying with a silver)

Except you can't, because you in Bronze aren't allowed to queue with someone else in Gold. Your Silver friend could queue with either of you, but not at the same time.

And also, a 4 man team has a much higher win rate because they have discord and shit, but the 5 solos they face don't.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/dynamic-queue-matchmaking-update

Adjusted matchmaking gets them to nearly 50-50 win rates.

Also, that one guy in the 4 man premade gets wrecked since no one helps him and then flamed for feeding. Also, a 4 man can be salty to that one guy because, who's gonna stop them? It's just one report.

1 report counts the same as 9 reports.

SlntReaperSep 9, 20161 votes

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Except you can't, because you in Bronze aren't allowed to queue with someone else in Gold. Your Silver friend could queue with either of you, but not at the same time.

You actually can, a silver can invite a gold and bronze at the same time

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/dynamic-queue-matchmaking-update

Adjusted matchmaking gets them to nearly 50-50 win rates.

premades have an edge. They have voice chat and coordination

1 report counts the same as 9 reports.

??????

DrCyanideSep 9, 20163 votes

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You actually can, a silver can invite a gold and bronze at the same time

Try it, you won't be able to start the game. If you could, then why stop at Gold, you'd be able to get a Plat and a Diamond too.

premades have an edge. They have voice chat and coordination

Yes, but they don't have the "much higher win rate" because matchmaking compensates (plus the smarter pings are awesome for solos).

??????

Reports only flag a game for review, the number of reports in a given game doesn't mean anything. Thus one report counts the same as nine.

SlntReaperSep 9, 20161 votes

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Try it, you won't be able to start the game. If you could, then why stop at Gold, you'd be able to get a Plat and a Diamond too.

aren't you able to do it because the owner can have +/-1 divisions (ex a silver can invite a bronze)?

Yes, but they don't have the "much higher win rate" because matchmaking compensates (plus the smarter pings are awesome for solos).

Ok, but they still have a distinct edge. They pick team comps that are meaningful and make sense. 5 solos, on the other hand, usually pick their main.

Reports only flag a game for review, the number of reports in a given game doesn't mean anything. Thus one report counts the same as nine.

oh ok. but it's still morally degrading to get a "report this noob cuz he sucks" from 4 other guys.

DrCyanideSep 9, 20162 votes

You can invite anyone you want to the lobby, but it does a check before you start the game to verify that the lowest member is within one tier of the highest member.

This is why the point of smurfs gets brought up, because it's relatively easy for someone to bypass the tier requirements if they're willing to make a new account and tank their placement matches. It's the only way for a high rank player to play with low rank player, thus the only way to boost them.

SlntReaperSep 9, 20161 votes

That must be new then. Huh. The more you know, the further you'll go.

Nice FellowSep 10, 20161 votes

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You actually can, a silver can invite a gold and bronze at the same time

premades have an edge. They have voice chat and coordination

??????

http://oi63.tinypic.com/34g6647.jpg

Explain this

SlntReaperSep 10, 20161 votes

? I do not understand what I'm looking at. Explain?

archseraph1mSep 9, 20161 votes

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Sigh... I was with you until you mentioned Dynamic Queue. Boosting is not a DQ problem. It is a smurf problem and an account sharing problem. If someone goes up in rank by playing with their friends (no smurfs involved), then it is because they fucking played the team game better than the opposing team and they deserve the wins. And there IS a MMR modifier that compensates for eaiser communication among premades; so if premades want to climb they have to communicate better than the average premade.

Wrong dynamic q is boosting you boosted animal

LeonerdoSep 9, 20161 votes

I have the Solo Badge so nyeh~

TNHA BaritoneSep 8, 20164 votes

I mean....

I have boosted people but afterwards or during, I coach them on how to play so that they can keep the rank. But it's not really boosting if they're in the game too since they have to pull their own weight.

ItankyouSep 8, 20163 votes

I boost people all the time by accident, this is the nature of dynamic que. Sorry bro.

There is no way to show who is and isn't 'boosting' per say and it has been available since solo que days too (duo que boosting). Anyway, if they bring back solo que we will get ranked integrity back in a flash.

Maximum MordeSep 8, 20161 votes

ItankyouSep 8, 20161 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Hot Belly DancerSep 8, 20162 votes

@ itankyou ,accidentally getting matched with a boosted player and win is ok, as you didn t choose to get mached and play with him! but voluntarily boosting someone is scummy!

ItankyouSep 8, 20161 votes

Que-ing up for games is voluntarily boosting, sorry but that's the truth, every other game you get an intent feeder and afker on either your team or enemy team, que times are fuckin ridiculous. Ya I boost noobs all day.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 8, 20161 votes

I can only recommend going on youtube, searching for trick2g's video "gunnerwolfs vs t2g squad". Watch the rioter playing Vi and you will know why DynaBoost has been implemented :^)

Swiftstrike4Sep 8, 20162 votes

Boosting is a problem with very good players creating new accounts and playing ranked. Or really good players, logging into another person's account and playing on it. That's not really related to dynamic queue or the potential problem it causes or if it has compromised ranked integrity. Smurfing and booting was a problem before dynamic queue was implemented.

I don't think dynamic queue has really exacerbated the problem much. Unless the player is Diamond plus boosting Silvers to Gold for rewards. This does happen, but I think it is less prevalent than you think.

I don't know about how other upper elo players feel about DQ and their experiences, but I am Gold I and I can't single handedly carry my silver friends in ranked games.

I am not that good, and they are pretty bad. Meaning, I can't consistently win games for them to boost them to Gold. I am sure a lot of Plat players can't boost Gold players to Plat easily, and as a higher Elo player, playing with silver and bronze players can be frustrating sometimes.

They are my friends and I enjoy playing with them. But because they lack skill in the game we can't win as often as you would think just because I am Gold I player playing on a Silver account.

The people that think boosting is prevalent because of dynamic queue are the same people that just can't win games as often as they would like to get them out of whatever Elo they are currently in. They think they are better than their rank.

Hourly people create threads on this forum claiming that they hate dynamic queue and that they played against a 5 man premade and lost because of it. Then they go on about how dynamic queue is ruining their ranked experience.

Occasionally when I see these threads, I look up the game they referenced and the match history of their opponents. About 70% of the time their opponents have no history of playing together, in previous or the next game. 30% of the time they are simply duos or trios.

Still they lost the game, think it is due to a 5 man premade, blame dynamic queue because they already do not like dynamic queue, and it reaffirms their existing predisposition on DQ.

The reality is that they are not very good, the opponents are not a premade very often, and just because an opposing team appeared coordinated does mean they were a premade.

Their lost had little to due with DQ, and probably had less to do with boosting and more to due with smurfing.

Bad players play the blame game a lot:

They blame teammates
They blame the queue system
They blame the opponent's coordination
They blame boosting

They almost never recognize that they themselves are not that good and could work on their game. They simply think that something else is contributing to their inability to win games.

Livin like RivenSep 9, 20162 votes

I boost people all the time with Lulu W and Zilean E, and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

AwesomeChadSep 8, 20161 votes

I know so many diamond boosted players who are on my friends list. I know one person who was 5-man boosted to diamond 2 but shes demoted to diamond 5 since they put restrictions on premades. Shes sporting the solo queue emblem but thats just a sham because if you look at the games she played to get to diamond 2, they were all premade. Also, recently, shes been duoing alot more often probably because shes frustrated. I know another person who abused dynamic queue premade to get to diamond 5. She made a video on "tip to get to diamond" which makes NO sense because she did not get there with her own skill and the fact that this is the 1st season she got diamond and her only account in diamond doesn't mean she actually knows what shes doing.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 8, 20161 votes

Same in my friends list. Everyone who was stuck in high plat now has the badge of shame and sits in dia 5 acting like they all got there on their own. And i'm sitting here solo having to deal with 50% boosted dia 5 player. Just like my last game, as soon as i hit plat 1 and a few lp i get mixed with all these boosted as dia 5s. It's no surprise to me the both afks in my team (kata and thresh if you want to look) afked and were tadaaa dia 5. Yes i fed 8 kills but only because there was no reason to continue playing 3v5.

DragfinSep 8, 20161 votes

Yeah well, that's the type of society we have today. Most children are raised entitled and therefore pride and a sense of accomplishment don't figure into their daily lives. This has been going on for the past 20-30 years and it really shows when you have to deal with those people in real life. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

DrProfVibeCheckSep 8, 20161 votes

Me and my friends are all in Silver, but I'm in silver 1 while all everyone else is silver 4-3. Sometimes, when I duo with one of them, I like to joke around that I'm boostin their ass.

EunsonSep 9, 20161 votes

People pay 100$ US for silver 1- gold v... It takes like 7 games which is like 3 hours of "work"

MokkunSep 9, 20161 votes

Dynamic queue and boosting are completely different problems. Boosting could happen in a purely solo queue.

As to why dynamic queue exists, it exists because a vocal part of the playerbase begged and pleaded with Riot for years to create it, because "how does this game rank me fairly if I'm stuck solo with other people. It's all a bunch of random's fault for my losses. There's no way it can be accurate." Along with just the people who wanted to play with a set of friends, at rates other than 1 or 4. Granted, there was another vocal group that begged for purely solo queue because blaming duo queues was easier than admitting their own mistakes too.

Also, 1 report counts much less than 9 reports, but it can count as much or more than 4 reports from the same premade. (It's premade's who's reporting doesn't stack. The game weights your enemies the same as solos on your team, unless they too are a premade.) And all of it is dependent upon the report weight of the individuals reporting. If your report weight is zero, it doesn't matter what you say.

Pika FoxSep 9, 20161 votes

Clearly you dont know how the game works. Just by playing with or against players far better than you you will advance as a player more rapidly than you would playing against someone equal or worse than you skill wise. (Players at your skill level are just as dumb as you, people worse than you are even dumber) All you really need to be willing to do is learn instead of crying about how dynamic queue showed you you arent as good as youd like to think in your head.

The only boosting problem LoL has is when someone hands their account to someone else to play the game for them. So long as you are actively participating in the match, your win was deserved. No matter what you might think to claim, unless the person is D2 or above they will not be able to solo carry someone that much higher than their skill level, simply because they will become dead weight unless they learn rapidly. Which you can see above.

IrelioSep 9, 20161 votes

Quit crying,

Smurfs exist, and not everyone you meet is not exactly boosting. I have a Bronze 3 account I choose to keep at that elo cause I enjoy watching typical mistakes that people don't learn from. Then you've got the people who claim "I don't belong here." when you clearly do. If you have over 100 games and you're still Bronze you clearly aren't learning and need more practice. I personally enjoy laning against smurfs cause you get a brief observation of what it'll be like if you somehow manage to climb and you get to reflect on the gameplay and find out where you messed up. Think of it as a lesson rather then a punishment.

SukishooSep 10, 20161 votes

DQ isn't boosting. Boosting is when you have someone else play on your account for you. DQ is someone just carrying other people which has happened beforehand with the SQ cause you could still Duo.