I have to admit, I was hoping for Silver. Seriously though 9W 1L and put in Bronze V? I had three rough games or so but still won, which apparently doesn't count for anything. If I had gone undefeated in promos would I still be in the lowest division? Helping the team, taking objectives, keeping everyone positive and on point counts for nothing?
Man, this is disheartening.
End rant.
GG
Ranking system is almost as good as the games lore.
This seasons reset was a little harsh. i know why i was placed into B5 though. Even though i was hovering around 90lp in Silver 5, i still had a negative win rate and therefore a no good mmr. I also didnt do well in placements, but i think where you stood with your mmr before you went into placement games makes a huge difference!
I got placed in Silver, just like I have been each season since I started playing Ranked. Apparently I'm very consistent.
It's honestly really interesting how it worked this season.
I had two friends that were Gold3 at the end of the season, and placed B3 with a 5/5 ratio. I was Silver3 and placed B2. Had another friend that was GoldV go 6/4 wins and place Gold1 this season. He's Plat now and loves to talk down to us. .__.
So it seems everyone in this thread has absolutely no idea how soft resets work.
Lets assume for now you've never played ranked before. Believe it or not, you're still given a seeded mmr based off of normal games, and your placements work from there.
Now lets assume you played ranked last season. Right before the soft reset happened, it took your current mmr and used that as a seed that your placements will use as a starting value.
Riot clamped down on the soft reset this season though. Unlike what it used to be where they just did [(MMR + 1200) / 2] to get your seeded mmr, they made it so the seeded mmr doesn't actually fluctuate that much compared to before the soft reset. What this means is if you were B5, the chances of you staying in B5 are extremely high, If you had really, really absolutely terrible mmr far below b5 you could win all 10 and still be in b5.
You may be thinking this sucks! But wait, You're wrong! First of all, the ranking system is actually extremely accurate if the person plays enough games. From all my smurfing experiences and climbing sprees The teams are actually well balanced. People who say they aren't are just wrong, they just can't see past a single game and can't look at all their games as a whole.
Now here's the hope. If for some reason placements royally fuck you over, or give you a higher rank than you were before, right after placements mmr and rank are heavily affected. If you lose a lot after placements, your rank and mmr will drop like a platinum meteorite and you can make it to bronze 5 probably with 50~ games even if you were placed straight into diamond. If you were placed into bronze 5, and you absolutely demolish your games and go on winning streak after winning streak with few loses, you'll do div skips, promos skips, and everything, to the point where you can get out of a whole tier with some ~15 games.
If you truely don't deserve bronze 5, just win a lot and your rank will climb extremely easily.
I've had this happen before, so I just said fk it and rofl stomped game after game and skipped divs and promos.
if you where bronze last season.. you will start bronze this season... your MMR will reflect your wins... but your visual rank wont.
if you keep it up you will skip ranks. or dont...
wanted to see where a fresh account could get placed.. i went 8-2 and was placed in G5.. 7 W 1 L 1 W 1 L = G5 fresh account.
not bragging .. just have no idea how riot does the math.
Guys...read the 2015 season announcement. Placements from now on are based mostly on your previous MMR minus some for the soft reset; no more 10 games for 3 tier promotions or 3 tier demotions (unless you were challenger; Plat is the highest you can place).
If you think your placement was poor, it's because your MMR was poor.
well with your current winrate you should be Diamond 1 within 200 games, congrats in advance
Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I was Bronze last season and didn't have my act together. So I played a ton of normals, really worked on my attitude and teamwork, and tried to really focus on a few champs and roles. I was feeling good about my progress and thought it showed when it came time for my ranked placement series this year. I was hoping for a few bumps up in placement (maybe silver), but I guess all that mattered was where I was last year.
No worries, I'll still have fun trying to climb out.
Cheers.
yeah the system blows...nobody was happy about their placements this season regardless of win rate it sucked for pretty much everyone.
i had 8 losses 2 wins and got placed in silver 2, though most of my placement matches were against high gold, even had people in their promos for plat. its all about your MMR not your W/L
The system is broken. The end goal is to make you play a large number of games. This is their means of doing it. It indirectly increases their revenue in a number or ways.
pretty much placements are more worthless than the Zimbabwe dollar its like 99.9% mmr based or some shit could lose all 10 games and still land in plat if i got some bullshit mmr from last season
The "problem", or rather the issue (because it is not a problem), is that you were essentially already placed BEFORE your placement matches.
Here is a rough sketch of how it works.
Your MMR, which is a hidden value, goes up and down based on who you play.
When you play, the game attempts to place you with individuals with an equivalent MMR. It may very well be that normals are much more relaxed on game composition, whereas ranked is very strict.
Anyways, the game attempts to create a pool of 10 players of roughly equivalent MMR.
But this system is not perfect, sometimes a team will have a combined MMR that is higher than the opposing team.
Either way, it is irrelevant, because MMR is essentially a "bet" on the odds that you will win or lose playing against a spectrum of lower, equal or higher MMR players.
MMR, NOT LP, determines "what level you are on".
When you begin your placement matches, the system takes your current MMR, and PLACES you against opponents that are at that MMR.
You may move up or down from that point, but the gains and losses are largely irrelevant, because you are playing people that have the same MMR as you.
You CANNOT jump to gold by playing bronze players, and if your MMR is bronze, well, there you go.
Your MMR probably can and does shift during placements, but not by large margins.
It would probably be better if, during placements, the system actually scaled you faster based on wins or losses.
Win a game in bronze, go up to silver, win there? Go to gold. Lost there? Go back to silver.
Over 10 games, dial you back in to where you need to be.
There are many problems with doing it this way though.
First, it would inject a relative unknown element into different competitive levels of play. That is VERY bad, as while it would be testing your skills, it would also be skewing live games composed of people with established MMR's.
Finally, here is why victories and losses during placements don't really matter.
If you win against teams that are lower than your MMR, well obviously you don't go up much.
If you lose against teams that are higher MMR, again, you don't go down much.
In order for placement matches to really shake up where you are and where you are going, it MUST place you outside what it feels is your "comfort zone".
Thus, if you take a plat player, plug them into a bronze placement series, guess what? They will still probably place bronze.
The LP system is not broken, beyond the asinine requirement of promotional matches, which serve no actual purpose.
What MAY be broken is the MMR system.
I DO know there are plenty of ways to completely tank your MMR.
And the lower your MMR going into a placement series, the harder it is going to be to dig yourself out. At very low levels, you are playing with people that have no clue how the game works. They are essentially playing a different game with different rules than you. That is why they are at the bottom levels. They are also fundamentally retarded(literal meaning, not derogatory) from improving, for whatever reason. This could be intellectual capacity, interest and intensity of competing, psychological inability to recognize personal responsibility or an inability to conform to team standards. Again, this is why they are at the bottom levels.
This is ELO hell, a place where you are constantly playing in the Special Olympics. While this may seem mean, I don't intend it to be. Generally, your team is handicapped on fully realizing the game mechanics. Unlike the Special Olympics, MMR doesn't let everyone be a winner and everyone does not get a gold star at the end. MMR treats a brand new player the exact same way as a Pro player.
So think about that for a second, because the implication is really screwed up.
The MMR system does not recognize individual effort, the only metric that matters is a win or a loss. If you played well, but your team did horrible, MMR will rank you at the same level as the rest of your team. This would work well if occasionally you were carried by high MMR teams, to offset the times when you lose because of a low MMR team. But it does not work that way.
Starting at about silver 4 and up, people generally care about winning, and at least have some fundamental grasp on how to do it.
BELOW that though, you are playing with a community of players that is LARGELY inept at playing the game. Some of this is lack of experience, some of it is due to an inability to learn or a low motivation to compete. I would very much argue that placing ANYONE in the lowest tier of the system will greatly inhibit their ability to reach their actual potential, because they MUST exhibit far superior skills to make up for the ineptitude of their team.
A win in bronze should mean ALOT more than a win in any other division, but I suspect this is not the case.
Anyways, I have wandered far off topic.
The point is, unless you actually play AND BEAT a diamond level team, you don't even get a chance to compare your skill level with that MMR. And placements won't test you there. Placements will test you at the MMR it assigns you AT THE BEGINNING of the series. From there, the series is a drop in the bucket, 10 games up or down on the MMR scale. And it is pretty much impossible for your MMR to dramatically change in 10 games.
It is designed NOT to do that.
Worked pretty well for me. I was B1 in S3, didn't play Ranked in S4, and got placed in B1 this season.
It's definiatly heavily weighted on your MMR from last season though, not your rank.
Why even call them placements if they mean so little in regards to where you're placed? Seems stupid.
I think the bigger issue though is that you get rewards based on your actual rank, not your mmr. So no matter what my mmr is if I don't reach gold I don't get that skin and that border. I never see my mmr, I see my rank. If I play at a S1 lvl but I'm B4 I don't know that, I just know I'm better than most of the people I play with.
The worst part is that those who are in Bronze have very highly inconsistent team mate skill levels. When my top laner gives the enemy top laner 4 solo kills in <5 minutes and continues to feed them after that despite help it's clear the difference in skill lvl is massive. Being on the wrong side of that tends to cost games. Essentially a good B3 player vs a bad B5 is so massively far apart in skill that it's akin to a low Gold player vs a high Master player. If I play at a S3 lvl I can't beat a B1 in lane hard enough to make up for that difference, but I CAN end up in the same game as that B1 and that B3 and that B5.
tl;dr Screw trying to have really low queue times, stop letting people that far apart in skill play vs each other. OR base mmr on more than just win/loss and the mmr of the players when they went into the game.
I know how you feel, I was in Silver 1 last season.
Played my promos, lost the first and third. won the rest straight out.... Bronze IV.. I was heavily disheartened.
i got b2 whe i only won 2 IDK
It adds in your MMR from last season. So if you were playing Bronze last season, you were playing Bronze this season in your preliminaries. I placed Silver II 1 day after S4 ended, and got Bronze II this season. I expected Silver V at least beacuse my MMR was Silver V range, but I was so wrong.
EDIT: Read that post about the G5 guy. I think if I were to play on a fresh account, I'd place in Silver easily. But the fact I had -MMR going into S5 hurt me in my current ranking. They only do this so you don't get placed with people you don't deserve to be placed with. People getting Diamond/Platinum and not actually be able to play in it.
Bronze V mmr is 0-800. If you were 200 mmr before the reset and went 9-1, the chances are high that your mmr would still not be high enough to break 800. If you keep winning games, your mmr, as well as your rank, will go up over time.
yea. i feel you. your MMR before you even started the promos determines where you are, not the promos themselves. Until they do a hard reset you will not have a fair shot at a better placement. You just have to get used to it. it is the system, good bad and ugly... mostly bad and ugly... :0
I mean... You were probably facing off against people who were bronze too
placements also are affected by what rank/mmr you had last season. Most likely if you played 0 ranked you would be placed in bronze but the fact you won 9-10 I'm suprised you got placed in B5 instead of like B2 or something higher
Same crap happened to me. I've been silver every season. Now I'm fighting my way out of bronze :( Slowly but surely.
Your MMR is tanked from previous seasons. I'm assuming you were S3 and S4 low bronze (B4-B5).
Your current MMR is 688 and that's really really really bad.
At your current win/loss ratio you should have no problem climbing.
Meanwhile im expecting bronze, lose most of my placements, and I get S4. Whats going on Riot.
What is "MMR" I'm still new to LoL
