I have to admit, I was hoping for Silver. Seriously though 9W 1L and put in Bronze V? I had three rough games or so but still won, which apparently doesn't count for anything. If I had gone undefeated in promos would I still be in the lowest division? Helping the team, taking objectives, keeping everyone positive and on point counts for nothing?
Man, this is disheartening.
End rant.
GG
A Miss Fortune72 votesRanking system is almost as good as the games lore.
The Soulforged2 votesLore is almost as good as this games ranking system. Fixed
A Miss Fortune30 votesDoes it really matter.
"Annie is an 8 year old Shyvana wanna be and Rammus is some guy that lives in the sand"
"You won 10/10 placement games....hmm I guess bronze is good."
Both the lore and the ranking system is like a Yasuo free week on your team, you know nothing good is gonna come from it.
daniellizard19 votesThe ranked system is Fine.
To the OP. You have finished last season in bronze 5(?) with a negative win/lose ratio (below 45%) and not that many games played. I'm not sure what you've expected. The system would be right to assume that you deserve to be in bronze, maybe bronze 4 with 9/1 but still, I don't get why you had such high hopes.
On the bright side, be glad that you've won 9/10 games, that means that with little effort you can climb quite fast.
Solaxo23 votesThe ranked system is Fine.
To the OP. You have finished last season in bronze 5(?) with a negative win/lose ratio (below 45%) and not that many games played. I'm not sure what you've expected. The system would be right to assume that you deserve to be in bronze, maybe bronze 4 with 9/1 but still, I don't get why you had such high hopes.
On the bright side, be glad that you've won 9/10 games, that means that with little effort you can climb quite fast.
Maybe he wanted to prove that he's better this time? What's the point in trying if system automatically judges you based on what you did in PREVIOUS SEASON?
AbyssionKnight19 votesIt makes perfect sense they'd evaluate your skill level with a seasons worth of games + your placement matches, rather than just 10 matches without any considerations to your established skill level.
A bronze v player who wins 10/0 shouldn't be placed in the same skill bracket as a challenger player that places 10/0. That bronze player is just going to get absolutely crushed game after game after game until they've dropped to their deserved division. That would feel terrible for the player, and would be very frustrating for the people that player is playing with as well, since they'd constantly be on teams with someone who isn't as skilled and experienced as them.
In contrast, working up to a position you deserve feels a lot more satisfying. It means you're winning, you're clearly showing your skills, and will feel good about placing higher than you did in the past.
Your past season is a baseline for what the game knows about you, and your placement matches help the system figure out if you're better or worse than you were at the end of the last season. It isn't perfect, but the system itself is designed so if you're playing in matches below your skill level, you will rise in ranks quite quickly.
Mandaari5 votesRight and wrong here IMO. Right, the placements should use your previous games as a baseline. Wrong IMO because they're clearly too weighted. If you win 9/10 matches the system should be saying, "Wow, he's way better than last season. I should probably put him up a few divisions at least." Yet he still gets placed in bronze 5. I don't think anybody is saying the guy should jump to plat, but gold or silver isn't out of the question. Bronze 5 on the other hand should be. Even if you were bronze 5 last season, winning that many of your placements should move you up at least somewhat.
T RexHasLongLegs2 votesWell I mean I would agree, except that they didn't give him 10 fresh games to judge him by, so his record wouldn't be 9-1 if he was playing a new account that just hit 30. Not sure if you were around for last season reset, but I think back the it started everyone blank or at least pretty close to a full reset of elo. Problem with that is suddenly diamond, master and challenger players are all considered like brand new accounts by the game. You just didn't want to play ranked for about two weeks into the new season because if you weren't plat or above last season you probably weren't influencing wins and losses because the high elo players from last season were still around finishing up placements and then leveling up from gold, or whatever the cap was, or there were diamonds in silver because 4 of 10 placements they had a challenger player on the other team who crushed. Basically high elo players were dominating lane so hard it made games really unstable and it wasn't much fun for a few weeks.
Fast forward to this season where riot said they were going to do something more akin to a soft reset. I think you couldn't place higher than plat, but diamond and plat players went against each other in placements, silvers vs silvers, bronze played bronze. Now to go 9-1 and end up in bronze 5 I think you might have to have an MMR that was well below the average of bronze 5, but it is still a possible theory. If I was bronze 3 and went 9-1 it might have jumped me a bunch of MMR each game, but it probably just increased it a bit for the first few at least and unless the win was toward the end it probably slowed down the MMR growth drastically when i hit the 1 loss in the middle of the win streak so I probably won't be higher than low silver at best. Yeah it sucks to go really good in placements and realize your MMR was so low to begin with you still have work to do, but imo I'd rather have that then not be able to play for two weeks or know that if I do I'm going to be put against better players and it's a coin toss as to if I get crushed in lane or not.
Bethor Kookalian2 votesIf he wants to prove he's better this time, he can, easily. Nothing of what's happened so far is stopping him.
As far as how the MMR system works, its built to assess, not to praise. Using someone's previous performance as a calibration point makes every kind of sense, especially in a system robust enough to detect when someone's skill does take a power spike, and adjust that person's MMR accordingly over time.
Only Play Darius2 votesLMFAO the 
free week analogy!
Aerothal28 votesThis seasons reset was a little harsh. i know why i was placed into B5 though. Even though i was hovering around 90lp in Silver 5, i still had a negative win rate and therefore a no good mmr. I also didnt do well in placements, but i think where you stood with your mmr before you went into placement games makes a huge difference!
GaleWinUnleashed16 votesI got placed in Silver, just like I have been each season since I started playing Ranked. Apparently I'm very consistent.
Tis a nice day2 votesSilver leaguers unite
Ariel the Cruel3 votesWhat for?
The unranked union still owns you. ;p
Krigjer14 votesIt's honestly really interesting how it worked this season.
I had two friends that were Gold3 at the end of the season, and placed B3 with a 5/5 ratio. I was Silver3 and placed B2. Had another friend that was GoldV go 6/4 wins and place Gold1 this season. He's Plat now and loves to talk down to us. .__.
Narasimha2 votesPart of it depends on how many games you played in the pre-season. Apparently it makes a difference. I was Gold4 last season, went 4/6 in my placements, and ended up in Silv4. Coulda been much worse, I think.
Velasan5 votesIt's honestly really interesting how it worked this season.
I had two friends that were Gold3 at the end of the season, and placed B3 with a 5/5 ratio. I was Silver3 and placed B2. Had another friend that was GoldV go 6/4 wins and place Gold1 this season. He's Plat now and loves to talk down to us. .__.
Placed in b3 from silver after like 6 to 4 promos. I get trolled every promo it seems like, but what bites is the attitude in bronze. Everything is OP and everyone is trash and everyone has no teamwork and tries to solo carry (quoting other players here).
I have gone all the way from b3 to silver promos multiple times now, but keep getting knocked down again. My actual level of play is somewhere around high silver to low gold depending on the role and I can't carry every game. Particularly if someone is actively being caught out and feeding over and over.
It is kind of ruining this season for me. All in all not a fun experience.
Rrett13 votesSo it seems everyone in this thread has absolutely no idea how soft resets work.
Lets assume for now you've never played ranked before. Believe it or not, you're still given a seeded mmr based off of normal games, and your placements work from there.
Now lets assume you played ranked last season. Right before the soft reset happened, it took your current mmr and used that as a seed that your placements will use as a starting value.
Riot clamped down on the soft reset this season though. Unlike what it used to be where they just did [(MMR + 1200) / 2] to get your seeded mmr, they made it so the seeded mmr doesn't actually fluctuate that much compared to before the soft reset. What this means is if you were B5, the chances of you staying in B5 are extremely high, If you had really, really absolutely terrible mmr far below b5 you could win all 10 and still be in b5.
You may be thinking this sucks! But wait, You're wrong! First of all, the ranking system is actually extremely accurate if the person plays enough games. From all my smurfing experiences and climbing sprees The teams are actually well balanced. People who say they aren't are just wrong, they just can't see past a single game and can't look at all their games as a whole.
Now here's the hope. If for some reason placements royally fuck you over, or give you a higher rank than you were before, right after placements mmr and rank are heavily affected. If you lose a lot after placements, your rank and mmr will drop like a platinum meteorite and you can make it to bronze 5 probably with 50~ games even if you were placed straight into diamond. If you were placed into bronze 5, and you absolutely demolish your games and go on winning streak after winning streak with few loses, you'll do div skips, promos skips, and everything, to the point where you can get out of a whole tier with some ~15 games.
If you truely don't deserve bronze 5, just win a lot and your rank will climb extremely easily.
I've had this happen before, so I just said fk it and rofl stomped game after game and skipped divs and promos.
Bethor Kookalian2 votesSeed MMR used to be 1200, and I've never heard it changing. Can you source that they now use normal MMR as a seed?
Rrett3 votesone of the biggest reasons that most people simply have no clue on how MMR or the ranking system really works is largely because it's spread out over reddit and the forums, and the information is given out spatially and randomly on a multitude of threads.
Took me a long time to get the understanding I have now of the ranking system.
That being said you're SoL from getting a source from me. I think it was mentioned on a thread in the old forums a year+ ago by riot glaciar.
Like I said the tidbits are extremely spread out. Good luck. I do think it was mentioned a couple of times though from what I vaguely remember.
Bethor Kookalian2 votes
Cansema10 votesif you where bronze last season.. you will start bronze this season... your MMR will reflect your wins... but your visual rank wont.
if you keep it up you will skip ranks. or dont...
wanted to see where a fresh account could get placed.. i went 8-2 and was placed in G5.. 7 W 1 L 1 W 1 L = G5 fresh account.
not bragging .. just have no idea how riot does the math.
Ataraxic2 votesYou got an mmr from your games leveling up. that MMR from your regular games to reach 30 put you in that tier and there you go. u prob could have gone 0-10 and still not been placed below s3.
this i what riot wants, ppl to start new account = more PR, more revenue etc etc etc.
daniellizard3 votesYou clearly don't know how the ranked system works :) Normals have nothing to do with your MMR and he is not a new ranked player as well.
Ariel the Cruel6 votesOnce your ranked MMR is established, they're separated. However, if you've never played ranked before, the system will use your normals MMR as a starting point for your promos.
Deep Terror Nami7 votesGuys...read the 2015 season announcement. Placements from now on are based mostly on your previous MMR minus some for the soft reset; no more 10 games for 3 tier promotions or 3 tier demotions (unless you were challenger; Plat is the highest you can place).
If you think your placement was poor, it's because your MMR was poor.
Worst Mid Ever6 voteswell with your current winrate you should be Diamond 1 within 200 games, congrats in advance
S H A Y C 05 votesyeah the system blows...nobody was happy about their placements this season regardless of win rate it sucked for pretty much everyone.
C9 Best Swain NA2 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ozZ3365R,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-04-17T15:19:24.698+0000)
yeah the system blows...nobody was happy about their placements this season regardless of win rate it sucked for pretty much everyone.
System works fine. I ended last season in plat 4 and got placed in plat 4 this season going 7-3 in placements with one of those loses being a bug when you're ranked restricted.
S H A Y C 02 votesyoure the first person ive heard of that placed the same as they were last season. i was speaking to a diamond 1 and he did well in placements and still ended up one full tier below where he was last season, another plat 3 ended up gold 4 with a 7-3 placement. Id say your experience is not the typical outcome.
Tricki5 votesThanks for the replies. Yeah, I was Bronze last season and didn't have my act together. So I played a ton of normals, really worked on my attitude and teamwork, and tried to really focus on a few champs and roles. I was feeling good about my progress and thought it showed when it came time for my ranked placement series this year. I was hoping for a few bumps up in placement (maybe silver), but I guess all that mattered was where I was last year.
No worries, I'll still have fun trying to climb out.
Cheers.
UPfreely4 votesi had 8 losses 2 wins and got placed in silver 2, though most of my placement matches were against high gold, even had people in their promos for plat. its all about your MMR not your W/L
Stark60004 votesThe system is broken. The end goal is to make you play a large number of games. This is their means of doing it. It indirectly increases their revenue in a number or ways.
Leti the Yeti4 votespretty much placements are more worthless than the Zimbabwe dollar its like 99.9% mmr based or some shit could lose all 10 games and still land in plat if i got some bullshit mmr from last season
Kazaashi3 votesWorked pretty well for me. I was B1 in S3, didn't play Ranked in S4, and got placed in B1 this season.
It's definiatly heavily weighted on your MMR from last season though, not your rank.
Ronnie Law3 votesThe "problem", or rather the issue (because it is not a problem), is that you were essentially already placed BEFORE your placement matches.
Here is a rough sketch of how it works.
Your MMR, which is a hidden value, goes up and down based on who you play.
When you play, the game attempts to place you with individuals with an equivalent MMR. It may very well be that normals are much more relaxed on game composition, whereas ranked is very strict.
Anyways, the game attempts to create a pool of 10 players of roughly equivalent MMR.
But this system is not perfect, sometimes a team will have a combined MMR that is higher than the opposing team.
Either way, it is irrelevant, because MMR is essentially a "bet" on the odds that you will win or lose playing against a spectrum of lower, equal or higher MMR players.
MMR, NOT LP, determines "what level you are on".
When you begin your placement matches, the system takes your current MMR, and PLACES you against opponents that are at that MMR.
You may move up or down from that point, but the gains and losses are largely irrelevant, because you are playing people that have the same MMR as you.
You CANNOT jump to gold by playing bronze players, and if your MMR is bronze, well, there you go.
Your MMR probably can and does shift during placements, but not by large margins.
It would probably be better if, during placements, the system actually scaled you faster based on wins or losses.
Win a game in bronze, go up to silver, win there? Go to gold. Lost there? Go back to silver.
Over 10 games, dial you back in to where you need to be.
There are many problems with doing it this way though.
First, it would inject a relative unknown element into different competitive levels of play. That is VERY bad, as while it would be testing your skills, it would also be skewing live games composed of people with established MMR's.
Finally, here is why victories and losses during placements don't really matter.
If you win against teams that are lower than your MMR, well obviously you don't go up much.
If you lose against teams that are higher MMR, again, you don't go down much.
In order for placement matches to really shake up where you are and where you are going, it MUST place you outside what it feels is your "comfort zone".
Thus, if you take a plat player, plug them into a bronze placement series, guess what? They will still probably place bronze.
The LP system is not broken, beyond the asinine requirement of promotional matches, which serve no actual purpose.
What MAY be broken is the MMR system.
I DO know there are plenty of ways to completely tank your MMR.
And the lower your MMR going into a placement series, the harder it is going to be to dig yourself out. At very low levels, you are playing with people that have no clue how the game works. They are essentially playing a different game with different rules than you. That is why they are at the bottom levels. They are also fundamentally retarded(literal meaning, not derogatory) from improving, for whatever reason. This could be intellectual capacity, interest and intensity of competing, psychological inability to recognize personal responsibility or an inability to conform to team standards. Again, this is why they are at the bottom levels.
This is ELO hell, a place where you are constantly playing in the Special Olympics. While this may seem mean, I don't intend it to be. Generally, your team is handicapped on fully realizing the game mechanics. Unlike the Special Olympics, MMR doesn't let everyone be a winner and everyone does not get a gold star at the end. MMR treats a brand new player the exact same way as a Pro player.
So think about that for a second, because the implication is really screwed up.
The MMR system does not recognize individual effort, the only metric that matters is a win or a loss. If you played well, but your team did horrible, MMR will rank you at the same level as the rest of your team. This would work well if occasionally you were carried by high MMR teams, to offset the times when you lose because of a low MMR team. But it does not work that way.
Starting at about silver 4 and up, people generally care about winning, and at least have some fundamental grasp on how to do it.
BELOW that though, you are playing with a community of players that is LARGELY inept at playing the game. Some of this is lack of experience, some of it is due to an inability to learn or a low motivation to compete. I would very much argue that placing ANYONE in the lowest tier of the system will greatly inhibit their ability to reach their actual potential, because they MUST exhibit far superior skills to make up for the ineptitude of their team.
A win in bronze should mean ALOT more than a win in any other division, but I suspect this is not the case.
Anyways, I have wandered far off topic.
The point is, unless you actually play AND BEAT a diamond level team, you don't even get a chance to compare your skill level with that MMR. And placements won't test you there. Placements will test you at the MMR it assigns you AT THE BEGINNING of the series. From there, the series is a drop in the bucket, 10 games up or down on the MMR scale. And it is pretty much impossible for your MMR to dramatically change in 10 games.
It is designed NOT to do that.
Cosnirak3 votesWhy even call them placements if they mean so little in regards to where you're placed? Seems stupid.
I think the bigger issue though is that you get rewards based on your actual rank, not your mmr. So no matter what my mmr is if I don't reach gold I don't get that skin and that border. I never see my mmr, I see my rank. If I play at a S1 lvl but I'm B4 I don't know that, I just know I'm better than most of the people I play with.
The worst part is that those who are in Bronze have very highly inconsistent team mate skill levels. When my top laner gives the enemy top laner 4 solo kills in <5 minutes and continues to feed them after that despite help it's clear the difference in skill lvl is massive. Being on the wrong side of that tends to cost games. Essentially a good B3 player vs a bad B5 is so massively far apart in skill that it's akin to a low Gold player vs a high Master player. If I play at a S3 lvl I can't beat a B1 in lane hard enough to make up for that difference, but I CAN end up in the same game as that B1 and that B3 and that B5.
tl;dr Screw trying to have really low queue times, stop letting people that far apart in skill play vs each other. OR base mmr on more than just win/loss and the mmr of the players when they went into the game.
Knucklefist2 votesWhy even call them placements if they mean so little in regards to where you're placed? Seems stupid.
I think the bigger issue though is that you get rewards based on your actual rank, not your mmr. So no matter what my mmr is if I don't reach gold I don't get that skin and that border. I never see my mmr, I see my rank. If I play at a S1 lvl but I'm B4 I don't know that, I just know I'm better than most of the people I play with.
The worst part is that those who are in Bronze have very highly inconsistent team mate skill levels. When my top laner gives the enemy top laner 4 solo kills in <5 minutes and continues to feed them after that despite help it's clear the difference in skill lvl is massive. Being on the wrong side of that tends to cost games. Essentially a good B3 player vs a bad B5 is so massively far apart in skill that it's akin to a low Gold player vs a high Master player. If I play at a S3 lvl I can't beat a B1 in lane hard enough to make up for that difference, but I CAN end up in the same game as that B1 and that B3 and that B5.
tl;dr Screw trying to have really low queue times, stop letting people that far apart in skill play vs each other. OR base mmr on more than just win/loss and the mmr of the players when they went into the game.
I had a guy in the lobby of my promo game earlier hasn't won a ranked game in a week. Had played 2 games earlier and died 33 times in those 2 games. With a 35% win rate overall and 30% win rate in his last 20 games. lol I dodged that shit. checked his history a lil later and he went like 3 and 10 and lost the game afterwards. It took my entire last 10 games to hit 33 deaths. He accomplished it in two. And the rest of the games in his history were feed fests as well. Me and him shouldn't even have been in the same game. I feel your pain.
Fli Kild2 votesi got b2 whe i only won 2 IDK
Ternt2 votesIt adds in your MMR from last season. So if you were playing Bronze last season, you were playing Bronze this season in your preliminaries. I placed Silver II 1 day after S4 ended, and got Bronze II this season. I expected Silver V at least beacuse my MMR was Silver V range, but I was so wrong.
EDIT: Read that post about the G5 guy. I think if I were to play on a fresh account, I'd place in Silver easily. But the fact I had -MMR going into S5 hurt me in my current ranking. They only do this so you don't get placed with people you don't deserve to be placed with. People getting Diamond/Platinum and not actually be able to play in it.
DEN15 5122 votesBronze V mmr is 0-800. If you were 200 mmr before the reset and went 9-1, the chances are high that your mmr would still not be high enough to break 800. If you keep winning games, your mmr, as well as your rank, will go up over time.
Ataraxic2 votesyea. i feel you. your MMR before you even started the promos determines where you are, not the promos themselves. Until they do a hard reset you will not have a fair shot at a better placement. You just have to get used to it. it is the system, good bad and ugly... mostly bad and ugly... :0
Auryiel2 votesI mean... You were probably facing off against people who were bronze too
Heckin Support2 votesplacements also are affected by what rank/mmr you had last season. Most likely if you played 0 ranked you would be placed in bronze but the fact you won 9-10 I'm suprised you got placed in B5 instead of like B2 or something higher
Raptors Go Rawr2 votesSame crap happened to me. I've been silver every season. Now I'm fighting my way out of bronze :( Slowly but surely.
arcinex2 votesYour MMR is tanked from previous seasons. I'm assuming you were S3 and S4 low bronze (B4-B5).
Your current MMR is 688 and that's really really really bad.
At your current win/loss ratio you should have no problem climbing.
LeonDemonOfDeath2 votesMeanwhile im expecting bronze, lose most of my placements, and I get S4. Whats going on Riot.
Ricin542 votesI know how you feel, I was in Silver 1 last season.
Played my promos, lost the first and third. won the rest straight out.... Bronze IV.. I was heavily disheartened.
DreamieKid1 votesWhat is "MMR" I'm still new to LoL
Cansema2 votesWhat is "MMR" I'm still new to LoL
MMR = match making rating your personal point value
it started with a chess player who wanted to prove that he was the best chess player.. created elo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
league does a system like this: (its been changed where you can drop from plat to gold or gold to silver) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zdG-FzA5-A
now .. here is the basics of what to expect
its not about winning ... its about beating better people than you. If you beat better people than you then you will get more points. so if you lose a large # of games you will be placed with people with lower point value.
you will be worth a number of points.. and other people are too.
now lets talk about solo Q and YOU:
when you Duo RIOT expects you to do better so they will have you go against a group of people who will be expected to beat you. if you solo Q than you will be placed randomly throughout this system as space filler... which isnt all that bad.
now if you think what i said...'If you duo' you will go against higher value people and meaning you can climb faster. yes.. but here is the kicker when soloing and you win a good amount than start getting duo teams on your team. so its basically people under your skill that have been placed with you so you can go against higher skill people and receive more points.
higher value people if they beat you.. you lose less points if lower value people beat you.. you lose more points and it works in reverse for winning win more in a row then you go against harder people.. when you lose you start going against people below your point value.
That timer is basically an interesting thing... the longer you wait the farther the range of player skill will be. its why you see challenger players wait so long. so they can go against diamond players when there is not enough challengers to play with.
there is a site you can go to that will show you different ratings around the world.. http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats/na as you see in NA .. there is more people in S5 in korea ... G5
so this tells you.. the better you do the smaller group of people that you will get to play against. once you hit plat ... you will be in the top 10% of players.
RIOT hides your elo because they said it created a toxic environment. so now we have the tier list so your MMR will be hidden so its harder to figure out where people actual belong. and also it is a fuzzier grading system so they can give awards to more people.. season ended today.. 34% of the community would get the new skin.
also .. MMR helps you get free things... make gold or above and get a free skin.. if you just want free stuff for not going anywhere ... play ranked team and win 25+ matches and you get a ward skin. "FREE"
i was bronze season 2... then before season 3 they did a hard reset... season 4 they did a soft reset.. season 5 i think they did almost a soft reset but let people keep MMR for the most part.
people complain, but its really your choice to play ranked..
so to sum it up.. MMR is your skill value based on past games.