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About this whole Tencent Owning Rito Issue...

ModAttysu The Poro··5 votes·2,359 views

I'm going to quote a shitload of shit so be prepared.

_ What Sesame Credits are _

Basically this system is a gameification of being a good Chinese citizen. That in itself seems harmless, right? Well, if you think the following things are benign, disregard this post.

Mandatory participation by 2020 Real-world penalties for purchasing things unbecoming of a 'good citizen.' Restricted Internet access for low-scorers Penalties for voicing opinions contrary to the Chinese government Penalties for criticism of the Chinese government Rewards for people who conform to the official policies of the Chinese Communist party Rewards for purchasing items indicative of a loyal Communist

_ Why we cannot do anything for it _

I mean... I get your moral outrage, but the truth is riot has no say in any of that, and more than that, has no way of affecting it. China operates differently as a communist country with a very different political leaning. I won't speculate on whether it's good, bad, or ugly here.

I commend you on your social awareness and willingness to do something about it, but it's really up to the Chinese people and politicians to make changes for themselves, unless it affects international agreements.

That being said, while I wouldn't expect a response from Riot, I always find it good practice to stick to your guns. Hold off on RP buying if you feel like it means something to you.

_ Why you cannot blame Tencent for developing Sesame Credits _

For a customer. Do you blame the people who make guns for the deaths of people killed by guns? Again I'm all for awareness and meaningful activism towards human rights issues. I just don't believe Tencent is to blame, they are just a product of the domestic policies in china. Same as when your internet provider spies on you for the NSA. It's not necessarily your ISP that is evil ( though most are) they just end up a part of a corrupt system they are forced to work in and with.

_ Bonus _

Riot has no rights legal or otherwise to make negative comments on something their parent company may or may not be directly or indirectly involved in.

_ TLDR _

Rito did nothing wrong. Leave em alone. They're just trying to run a business and happen to be owned by someone who has preconceptions about them from other people.

I doubt even Tencent has much of a say in this. It's not like the US, the Chinese government has essentially complete power.

If I got anything wrong just shout it out and I'll research it and correct it/explain accordingly. kbye

Where I got 90% of my quotes: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/yJYm5T0F-riot-this-needs-to-be-explained-or-addressed-immediately?show=flat&page=2

Edit: Fixed weird quoting issues and crap. Dere ya go.

Edit 2: When people don't get what you're trying to say: http://i.imgur.com/4J7wdHH.gif[/img]

Edit 3: I'm not trying to change your opinion, just make you more educated on it. At least have facts to back up an opinion, y'know?

17 Comments

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

Forgot to add this:

http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/16/10326320/riot-games-now-owned-entirely-by-tencent

For those who do not know Tencent is now 100% the owner of Riot Games.

SoundChaosDebug1 votes

Fuck you for defending this shit

ModAttysu The Poro4 votes

{quoted}

Fuck you for defending this shit

Wise words. Thank you so much for the constructive critism, I'll make sure to take your inspirational quote into consideration next time.

No seriously I'm not defending it, but 1) we can't do anything ANYWAY, 2) Riot can't control what the people that own them do, it's the other way around. 3) boycotting Riot will achieve NOTHING.

SoundChaosDebug1 votes

{quoted}

Wise words. Thank you so much for the constructive critism, I'll make sure to take your inspirational quote into consideration next time.

No seriously I'm not defending it, but 1) we can't do anything ANYWAY, 2) Riot can't control what the people that own them do, it's the other way around. 3) boycotting Riot will achieve NOTHING.

I've already read your post and disagree with it, reposting your points will not sway my opinion.

ModAttysu The Poro4 votes

{quoted}

I've already read your post and disagree with it, reposting your points will not sway my opinion.

Alright, whatever. Your opinion.

DELI MEATS1 votes

Fuck you for defending this shit.

What is your point and what can we or Riot do about it?

Edited for quote and clarity.

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

{quoted}

What is your point and what can we or Riot do about it?

My point is that we can't do anything about it, especially Riot. Riot has no control over Tencent, or what it does, they are simply owned by it. Plus, China is China and we are US/EU. We have no jurisdiction over them anyway to change how their politics go. That's up to them to decide how to go about changing it.

Not only that, but Tencent is simply making a program for a customer. Like I quoted above "Do you blame the people who make guns for the deaths of people killed by guns?"

TLDR there is 0 reason to boycott Riot or Tencent.

DELI MEATS1 votes

I agree with your reasoning. I was actually trying to respond to SoundChaosDebug.

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

{quoted}

I agree with your reasoning. I was actually trying to respond to SoundChaosDebug.

Ah okay XD

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

As long as Tencent doesn't go all Nintendo of Japan and messes with everything that their culture doesn't understand (coughyoutubecoughnintendocoughgoddammitjapancough), I can be okay with this change. I'm still gonna hate Tencent, if not because they are huge for Sesame Credit, if not because they own way more than they probably should, at least because their main site is called QQ.com.

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

{quoted}

As long as Tencent doesn't go all Nintendo of Japan and messes with everything that their culture doesn't understand (coughyoutubecoughnintendocoughgoddammitjapancough), I can be okay with this change. I'm still gonna hate Tencent, if not because they are huge for Sesame Credit, if not because they own way more than they probably should, at least because their main site is called QQ.com.

Eh, I don't hate them for owning stuff (I mean if you have the money by all means,) but I see where you're coming from. Pls Tencent don't make me regret defending you by going Nintendo of Japan on our asses.

UnlimitedNinja411 votes

I don't understand what happened, so what I understand is this Chinese company ,Tencent, something bought Riot Games and they technically own League of Legends. Does this mean or change anything to the game at all?

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

{quoted}

I don't understand what happened, so what I understand is this Chinese company ,Tencent, something bought Riot Games and they technically own League of Legends. Does this mean or change anything to the game at all?

Well Tencent owned like 90% or something of Riot beforehand, so I'm assuming nothing will change now that they just bought the rest.

LiziLOL1 votes

get your sources right before you post stupid sht like this

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

{quoted}

get your sources right before you post stupid sht like this

Gee, person who says one sentence without explaining himself, being vague, and not showing evidence, gets mad when people use quotes to support their claim.

Shocker.

Please post actual relevant info that proves my statements wrong before calling my post 'stupid shit.' Also you spelled shit wrong.

SithesisLord1 votes

Even though nothing can be done about it, you have to admit that is something quite scary. Almost dictatorial, even.

The chances are remote that League will suffer the same unfortunate fate the chinese people will, i understand that.

But looking on the other side....it could well serve as a way to deal with toxicity.

Too toxic? Well, no first victory of the day bonuses OR IP for you. Not toxic at all? Congrats, he's a free mystery skin.

Or something of the sort.

Anyway, the idea of Tencent tightening the leash around Riot's neck is something very much possible, but i doubt it will happen. After all, if with 90% of the stock owned already Tencent never even poked Riot in the back with a knife, i doubt it´s the remainder 10% that´ll turn them from Riot's stepdad into Riot's abusive stepdad.

All in all, very good post. I was mildly confused about this whole situation. Now i think i got around to understand it.

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

{quoted}

Even though nothing can be done about it, you have to admit that is something quite scary. Almost dictatorial, even.

The chances are remote that League will suffer the same unfortunate fate the chinese people will, i understand that.

But looking on the other side....it could well serve as a way to deal with toxicity.

Too toxic? Well, no first victory of the day bonuses OR IP for you. Not toxic at all? Congrats, he's a free mystery skin.

Or something of the sort.

Anyway, the idea of Tencent tightening the leash around Riot's neck is something very much possible, but i doubt it will happen. After all, if with 90% of the stock owned already Tencent never even poked Riot in the back with a knife, i doubt it´s the remainder 10% that´ll turn them from Riot's stepdad into Riot's abusive stepdad.

All in all, very good post. I was mildly confused about this whole situation. Now i think i got around to understand it.

Thank you! ^-^

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