So, why aren't we allowed to break meta before the pros do?

InsaneSamurai·8/10/2014, 5:31:04 PM·31 votes·3,060 views

Most people on here seem to get instantly enraged at any meta-breaking picks, and to me that doesn't make any sense. The meta stops being a metagame at that point and starts being "you're only allowed to do something if pros do it". For example, Lulu mid was awesome, but when you tried to do it before it became a pro thing, people flipped out on you and threw games over it. At some point, some pro does it, then all the sudden it's a thing, and it's ok, despite the champion being exactly the same as before they did it.

Wouldn't it make more sense to just play the game and see if the guy had a good reason to pick whatever abnormal thing he did? I'm pretty convinced that the majority of the time that breaking meta fails, it's because the team implodes, not because it actually performed poorly. For some reason people will often sit there and not say anything about the pick(even in team builder) until the game is already started, then they try as hard as they can to blame everything on you. I've seen people go so far as to say they're getting camped by the jungler top because bot didn't have a metagame adc. What gives?

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Worgslarg8/10/2014, 5:40:44 PM10 votes

Yes, you can, but you cannot force others to accept something that they do not wish to.

I am more inclined to let someone pick out of meta if i do not sense they are trolling, but many people just want to play a meta game, simple and that does not require them to adjust their play.

League needs a meta, and while the meta must be changeable to survive, league cannot survive without it.

The majority of league players( in my experience) blindly follow the pros, without thought or reason. when pros learn to play around the strengths of a relatively unpicked champion, the flock realizes that they must do what the pros do, even when that champion was strong before.

GuiltyGecko8/10/2014, 6:39:13 PM5 votes

I don't mind non-meta picks if they make sense and that person isn't trolling. For example, I don't mind things like mid-kog, or xerath support, or adc jayce, or jungle twitch, or top veigar.

What I don't like is when people pick things that just DON'T work, like jungle Leblanc, or cough support nidalee cough.

As long as you play serious and have a good reason to play what you're playing, then by all means, do so. Just save your trolling for custom games.

Mattarias8/10/2014, 10:50:56 PM4 votes

It's because the community is very sheep-brained, to be honest.

The5lacker8/11/2014, 2:34:02 AM4 votes

Simple: Can you explain WHY you're breaking the meta in any particular way?

If you can't explain why you do something, then you shouldn't be doing it. Following the meta is a safe bet, as that's what's collectively agreed to be the strongest strategy at the moment. If you can explain to me why, for example, its extraordinarily crucial for you to take Veigar jungle due to some hidden strengths I don't know about, by all means, please do so. If you actually try making a case people will probably trust you. But if you can't, and you're just doing it because you feel the need to pretend to be clever, news flash: You really aren't. Blindly breaking the meta is just as unoriginal as blindly following the meta with the added downside of probably failing spectacularly.

Astral Duck8/10/2014, 8:39:47 PM3 votes

I'm not against breaking the meta, just don't do it in ranked if you don't have experience with it. (10 games doesn't = sufficient experience, do 25+ games)

0range4568/11/2014, 2:24:12 AM3 votes

As long as the person playing the "non-meta" champion is good and not trolling, I have no qualms about it.

Taunt Master8/11/2014, 2:57:10 AM3 votes

wait... you're letting someone's rage stop you from playing something you want?

Why?

PentaWatt8/10/2014, 5:48:04 PM2 votes

My friend be like:

Nami top? If lulu was meant to be a support... Why can't Nami top like lulu is doing in this meta?

ModCaptainMårvelous8/11/2014, 4:21:08 PM2 votes

Short answer: You can but it's probably not smart

Long answer: Pros breaking the meta isn't a spur of the moment "Hey let's try something crazy like Tryn Support". A lot of theorycrafting and practice goes into testing an off-meta comp. But even then, the average player probably isn't going to make a wise decision in meta-breaking or they'll use examples from a less-than-optimal rank to prove a point.

Let's say I pick up Tryn support for whatever reason and I win every single game. Tryn Support OP Right? Not really. I'm basing my results off a low-rank environment where the players are by no means professional. Another thing is that an off-meta pick will often require more skill than normal. It's why you'd see things like "Oh I'ma play Viktor top" at LCS and absolutely destroy the competition but when someone tries to replicate it they get smashed.

Bottom line is that if you think something is good, by all means try it. But just know that it's totally possible what you believe is a top-tier pick is just a hyper pub-stomp choice.

(And of course the generic asterisk for the possibility that you actually DO randomly find the next sicknastybrokenOP thing. It's super unlikely but not impossible.)

gubigubi8/10/2014, 8:12:17 PM2 votes

Whats also really funny is when I do something that doesn't normally get played and people say i'm copying voyboy. That was back before I even knew who voyboy was. lol