I feel extremely embarrassed playing new Sion.

GigglesO·Oct 11, 2014·4 votes·831 views

So before the nerf I mean "rework" I had a 60% win rate with sion. I was embarrassed to play him in top lane because by the 20 minute mark I had 250 less hp gained from my passive. His q takes an extremely long time before it can cc someone. His shield is now his most reliable source of damage. (Old ap sion anyone?) His e isn't reliable because you have to get a minion to have any range on it. His ulti is nice. His passive is use able for 2-3 seconds before he dies because %hp damage if you build tank, or instadie if you build damage.

I am embarrassed to call new sion a juggernaut.

6 Comments

Caustic CrusaderOct 11, 20144 votes

There's two major issues I can see with the new Sion.

His passive is worthless. Seriously, it takes WAY too long to actually return for the limited time you're able to whack away at people. Sure, you deal massive damage, but fat lot of good that's gonna do when you get kited as hard as pre-rework Sion did, on top of them having a chance to run away for, what is it, three seconds before you can do anything? And you also have no CC? Man, this is a pathetic passive. For one of those things that's supposed to have a massive effect after you've died, it really doesn't do that at all. The speed boost doesn't make any difference regarding the fact that anybody can just walk away from you and render your passive completely useless.
Base health. This is a common complaint, but his new base health is too low. 1680 at level 18? He's supposed to be a tank, and he has the fourth lowest base health in the game. That's counting Gnar, who gets a massive increase in Mega Gnar form. The other two, Anivia and Zilean, have long range and Chronoshift respectively, and are therefore justified to be squishy, but Sion has none of that. Not only that, but he NEEDS to get into range in order to actually influence the fight in any meaningful way. His W now feels like a crutch, rather than a boon. Pre-rework, you had a level 18 base health lower only than Alistar's, and even then only by 3. You need 595 bonus health gained from your W's passive in order to equal your previous base health with no stacks of old E passive whatsoever. This amounts to 298 CS, not counting big minions or champion takedowns, which would obviously help lower it a bit, but not much. Because he's now so squishy without stacks, he's basically forced into the jungle so that he can farm his W health without fear of getting cheesed in a solo lane by someone who can just pummel or poke him without fear of retaliation.

GigglesOOct 11, 20142 votes

There's two major issues I can see with the new Sion.

His passive is worthless.

Base health... This amounts to 298 CS

Pretty much sums this post up for anyone that doesn't know how to read...

I really feel as if they decided to weigh sion's w too heavily in is kit by saying "A shield is kinda like hp right?".

JamareeOct 11, 20141 votes

He is a better jungler then top laner now, gonna have to learn to adapt my friend.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 11, 20141 votes

He is a better jungler then top laner now, gonna have to learn to adapt my friend.

^ Like he said.

Sion was always considered to be a troll pick before the rework, I mean, come on. One Q & one W, then you're hopeless ( as AP Sion). Going AD Sion takes a lot of hard work doe, especially having Q & W as the most defensive moves available on you, except that both cost 100 fking mana each.

He is pretty good tier now in terms of being a tanky heavy CC jungler. Just take your time to learn him, and also learn combos with him instead of using your first abilites straight away as you mention in your thread. Watch the new Sion spotlight for more tips.

ZanphyraOct 11, 20141 votes

Yeah... I think he should be in the middle for base health at least.

His kit feels like Riot is focusing too much on counterplay for my liking. I understand counterplay but every one of his skills including his passive can be easily escaped from. At least in my experience, he is incredibly easy to deal with as a champion due to his lack of reliability on anything in his kit. (Passive has a long animation, E is short range unless you can hit a minion, W can be destroyed thus reducing his damage, Q can be walked out of/canceled, R can be sidestepped with boots which is funny to watch)

Pro play seems to favor reliable champions and due to the nature of Sion's kit I have a feeling he may not see much tournament play.

Hell, even his main strength (potential infinite HP) has a lot of counterplay because of %HP available on BOTRK and in some kits. (Gnar W, Vayne W, Shyvana E, Elise, Gragas W, Maokai W, Mundo Q, Jayce hammer E, Vi W are what I can think of atm)