Reports are becoming weapons for trolls

Benjimonster··18 votes·8,501 views

How many times has this happened to you?

A player feeds (or not) but ultimately gets frustrated one way or another and begins to blame other people and insult them. You tell the player to calm down, be nice it's just a game etc... the player gets more irate and insulting etc, it's a troll right? Have we forgotten what trolls are? This person REPORTS YOU at the end of the game, and you get a warning.... this is STUPID. Get really unlucky, have it happen 10 games out of 100, as long as it's within a week or two you'll get a chat restriction because trolls reported you.

I think people also get confused and report the wrong person WAY too often. And other times people just leave without reporting though somebody clearly needed to be reported by everybody in the game.

Just drop the entire autopunish system, bots don't correct the shittiest community in the history of gaming, you need to let players moderate or something like most large mmorpgs do. Please change this system riot, it's starting to make me hate this game more than I did before because of the community.

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RiotSlumber Jack16 votes

You're welcome to share your chat logs if you feel like what you've received so far is undeserved. Might help shed some light on why you might be seeing warnings, too.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

The gauntlet has been thrown XD

Benjimonster2 votes

What do my personal chat logs have to do with a hypothetical situation meant to point out the flaws in the reporting system?

Jubbinaut4 votes

One would presume that your hypothetical is based on some kind of information. One might then recognize the most likely form for that information to take would be a chat restriction - either your own or someone else's - that is believed to be false.

Establishing the validity of that chat restriction would then either a) remove the basis for the hypothesis, or b) support the basis for the hypothesis.

Of course, if this concept was created whole cloth, with no basis other than your own pre-conceived notions, that's an entirely different story.

Benjimonster1 votes

Look at the votes... why does my situation only come into view when I'm trying to point out a flaw in a system to help improve a game? Could you be a little less petty please?

Really cool terms tho bro, you should be a lawyer.

Jubbinaut3 votes

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Could you be a little less petty please?

I didn't say anything about your situation. I was answering your question.

But if that's how you handle someone offering what you're asking for, I can - and will gladly - refrain from doing so in the future.

Benjimonster1 votes

You're answering a rhetorical question. Please do refrain from answering those.

Jubbinaut6 votes

I think there's a pretty significant difference between answering a rhetorical question and addressing a rhetorical question.

Regardless, if you're going to disparage someone, you should be prepared for them to respond to it.

Benjimonster2 votes

I'm sorry you're confused. The riot employee is the one disparaging me in this situation. Then you joined in with him to try belittling my opinion just a little bit more. All while completely overlooking the fact that this is not a personal complaint, and veiled with some lovely passive aggression.

If I wanted to refute my chat restriction I'd file a ticket with riot not post on the forums.

But, thanks to both of you for turning a suggestion into a personal attack against the person trying to help improve your community.

Jubbinaut4 votes

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I'm sorry you're confused.

Oh, I'm not confused. I'm simply being misrepresented. But don't worry about it. It happens all the time, and I'm quite used to it.

The riot employee is the one disparaging me in this situation.

I suppose that's a valid view of his statement, if you're inclined to take such comments personally.

Then you joined in with him to try belittling my opinion just a little bit more.

I said exactly nothing about your opinion. I simply explained why a person might believe your own chat logs would be relevant to your hypothetical. I was also very sure to point out that the logs/situation that led to the hypothetical might not actually be yours.

As such, I really don't see any reasonable way for you - or anyone else - to believe that I was, in any sense, trying to belittle either you or your opinion.

Benjimonster1 votes

Well guess what, that's the way I took it.

You said this: Establishing the validity of that chat restriction would then either a) remove the basis for the hypothesis, or b) support the basis for the hypothesis.

To me this says if I don't show my chat logs then my hypothesis has no basis and is not legitimate. Then you said this: Of course, if this concept was created whole cloth, with no basis other than your own pre-conceived notions, that's an entirely different story.

What's the different story? Sounds like you're presuming that if I can't show legit chat logs that validate my hypothesis that my opinion is not worth your time.

If this isn't really what you meant you should pick your words more carefully. Also your passive aggression is truly annoying. I am so inclined to take slumber's comment personally, he's almost as pretentious as you.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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You said this: Establishing the validity of that chat restriction would then either a) remove the basis for the hypothesis, or b) support the basis for the hypothesis.

To me this says if I don't show my chat logs then my hypothesis has no basis and is not legitimate.

But only if the basis is said logs. As indicated by the first paragraph of my post, where I established the assumptions that might lead someone to the conclusion Slumberjack seems to have drawn.

If the basis is not some set of logs, then showing any such logs would obviously be irrelevant.

Then you said this: Of course, if this concept was created whole cloth, with no basis other than your own pre-conceived notions, that's an entirely different story.

What's the different story? Sounds like you're presuming that if I can't show legit chat logs that validate my hypothesis that my opinion is not worth your time.

I don't know what the different story is. But I do know this: if the basis of your hypothetical is not the presumed logs, then the very premises of the logic I established in that post are false - which means that the conclusions drawn from those premises are irrelevant and meaningless.

So whatever story that is, it is, by necessity, different than what I established in that post.

If this isn't really what you meant you should pick your words more carefully. Also your passive aggression is truly annoying. I am so inclined to take slumber's comment personally, he's almost as pretentious as you.

What I said is exactly what I meant.

To be clear: I chose my language very carefully, to ensure that I was a) establishing possible rationale for Slumberjack's statement, b) not calling you out directly as being the source of the presumed logs, and c) not stating the presumption as fact.

I've gone back over it multiple times with every other post I've made in this line of discussion. And while I do feel that it reads as being a little clinical, I still believe that I fulfilled my goals.

Benjimonster1 votes

Slumberjack never drew a conclusion unless you're referring to the part where he said it might shed some light on why i was chat restricted, which is the derogatory part of his statement that sums up what I'm talking about... So what are you talking about? You make this sound so complex when it's not, let me sum it up for you:

Slumberjack thought I was trying to complain about a personal incident that happened to me but I wasn't. That's it. I was trying to give a situation (that has happened to me) where the system may be flawed.

So how does you describing what you and I said over and over again change what my point is? Being that the system is flawed based on a hypothesis?

You fail to see that Slumberjack was talking down to me and I believe that is your main problem.

If you want to keep typing walls of text at me and pretending that it makes what I said mean something else then feel free, but the way speak to me is pretentious and condescending no matter how many words you use.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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Slumberjack thought I was trying to complain about a personal incident that happened to me but I wasn't.

That's exactly the conclusion I was talking about. My entire first post was intended to explain the background thought processes that would lead to him thinking that.

I apologize if that was unclear.

So how does you describing what you and I said over and over again change what my point is?

It was never intended it to. I genuinely don't know why you think I am trying to change your point. That would indeed be pretentious and condescending of me.

Being that the system is flawed based on a hypothesis?

Any hypothesis should be verifiable. Personally, I believe that seeking that verification is a positive thing.

Otherwise, we wind up with genuine beliefs in invisible dragons, flying spaghetti monsters, and teapots behind the moon.

You fail to see that Slumberjack was talking down to me and I believe that is your main problem.

I don't believe he was. I believe he was making a genuinely concerned statement from a position of misunderstanding.

But, then, you and I obviously interpret things very differently, so it's no surprise there's a difference in our views there.

Regardless, whether he was talking down to you or not is entirely irrelevant to my own comment.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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Ok, I still don't understand how somebody as intelligent as you would misunderstand my original post as not being hypothetical though, it has a poll and everything so it's obviously trying to make a point and do some research...

I don't understand your point here. I never said it wasn't hypothetical. I never implied it wasn't hypothetical. I referred to it over and over again as a hypothetical situation.

So what, exactly, have I done to indicate that I believe it to be anything other than a hypothetical?

Also if you think Slumberjack was trying to be genuinely helpful I suggest you look further into what people say. He's clearly being a dick to me and for no reason by assuming that I have warnings because of my chat logs that he dares me to post publicly. It's pretty insulting really as well as pretentious in assuming that their report system is so flawless that I couldn't get a warning without deserving it.

That's certainly one possible interpretation. Another is that he's asking for validation of your claims, in an effort to either a) determine if action needs to be taken, or b) help clarify your situation.

Also, as I've noted elsewhere in your thread, warnings are not vetted by the system, because they're essentially meaningless. So they don't come with chat logs. Which is why I suspect his statement was contingent upon the premise of falsely issued chat restrictions.

I mean if I were trying to properly represent the company I worked for I would approach a customer with something more like: "I'm sorry you've had an unfortunate experience with our reporting system, please feel free to email ______ or file a ticket at _____ and we will look in to your issues further." Rather than say anything that could be remotely construed as insulting.

Frankly, there's no way to say anything that cannot conceivably construed as an insult. I know at least three people that would construe your proposed statement as an insult.

Isn't almost half the voters saying they have been wrongfully warned or restricted enough evidence to support a hypothesis?

Warnings are meaningless - they're entirely disconnected from everything other than reports. So, no. They don't support your hypothesis, because they don't have anything to do with the system your hypothesis relates to.

As for the rest: I'm not trying to debate or discuss your hypothesis here. I never was. Nothing I've said here has related to your hypothesis itself in any way. And I'm not going to start doing so this far down the nesting line.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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What are you trying to do then? From your very first post all you were doing is trolling. You aren't helping progress the conversation you're just antagonizing me.

You said if I don't provide a chat log that proves that somebody was wrongfully warned or restricted that my hypothesis has no basis. So however you want to boil it down, that's the first thing you posted on this thread. You can refer to it as hypothetical and say that it has no hypothetical basis all day, but that doesn't really make sense. Or if it was just my own fabrication then what IS the different story? Is the different story that I brought up a valid point regardless of this petty nonsense about how hypothetical a situation is? Could it possibly be BOTH? NOOO, based on a chat log of mine that you will never see as well as based on other people's experiences AND my own common sense and vision of how things work? I don't know, I think we'd better just make everything black and white for the sake of argument.

The point is you threw away my original post as invalid immediately by backing up an insulting comment with your 'clarification' that was clearly not needed by anybody.

You continue to defend Slumberjack which leads me to the conclusion that you just wanted to butt in to support the riot employee and berate the other guy by acting high and mighty. You can construe this as an insult.

Well, hypothetical are great and all, but we are talking about a huge system that has been running for some time. So I think we are past the point of hypothetical. So people, including riot, want something tangible. Your hypothesis is just that a hypothesis. It's not unreasonable to ask for something to support it. Anyone can hypothesis anything.

Slumber Jacks post could have been improved by a warn personal touch, sure. But its a neutral post. He asked you a question that it. Why you seem to have taken that has a personal attack is beyond me.

Warnings aren't meaningless, it's a way to tell you that you've been reported a lot, and if you've been reported a lot you're more likely to be punished. How is that meaningless?

They are an indicator that you have been reported a lot but getting warned and getting punished are very different things. To be punished you have to have been reported a lot. But because you are reported a lot does not mean that you will be punished.

Reports do 2 things. Trigger warnings and trigger evaluation of your chat. If there is nothing there it doesn't matter how many trolls reported you. If there is something there it doesn't matter that the source of the report was a troll.

You might want to take a step back and read this thread again. You are taking neutral comments as slights and let it derail the conversation. If you are doing that in game then it is no wonder your experience is what you claim it to be. Your team isn't you + 4 random people, its just 5 random people. You influence how those groups behave as well. Even in your original example nothing about what you described suggests that they are a troll.

EvilMerodach3 votes

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Isn't almost half the voters saying they have been wrongfully warned or restricted enough evidence to support a hypothesis?

No. It's proving that people claim to be innocent of something they were already found guilty of. How many people in prison claim they are innocent? How many people in prison are actually innocent? It's just self justification...everyone thinks they are ultimately "good" or correct, otherwise they wouldn't do what they are doing. But just because a person believes they are correct, does not automatically make them correct.

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

How does one...share their chat logs? I've had some interesting convos that people might like.

BakedLotion1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slumber Jack,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=iRl645hX,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-10-22T18:54:46.071+0000)

You're welcome to share your chat logs if you feel like what you've received so far is undeserved. Might help shed some light on why you might be seeing warnings, too.

Assuming you guys actually give chat logs for chat restrictions o.o Don't people hate Riot for NOT giving them chat logs for chat restrictions unless it's a 14 day ban?

Jubbinaut1 votes

They didn't always. They do now. As of... 5.18, I think? I could be misremembering the patch, though.

RiotSlumber Jack8 votes

We always give you chat logs now if you are punished for verbal toxicity. Players should actually now be receiving logs from multiple games now if the punishment was for multiple games moderate toxicity.

Jubbinaut2 votes

That's fantastic! When did that change go into effect?

RiotSlumber Jack4 votes

Should have gone out with the previous patch. We'll continue to make small tweaks as we see a need for it and see if the results speak for themselves.

For this one, it seems like there's a lot less players complaining about not understanding how their behaviour/logs resulted in their punishment, so that might be why it hasn't gotten a lot of visibility ;)

Jubbinaut1 votes

Good to know. Thanks for the response! :)

Photos of Ghosts5 votes

Can you PLEASE change the wording of the warning? It would help so much in stopping all these QQers... just say it clearly: "This warning is to tell you several people have found your behaviour ingame unpleasant. Please think about what you've done. If you're sure you're behaving correctly, feel free to ignore this; otherwise, you might want to change your ways in order to avoid getting punished."

RiotSlumber Jack4 votes

It's happening. Not sure the landing date, though.

We'll just have to go with everyone's favourite "soon".

TerraRising3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slumber Jack,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=iRl645hX,comment-id=000600040000,timestamp=2015-10-23T18:37:52.390+0000)

It's happening. Not sure the landing date, though.

We'll just have to go with everyone's favourite "soon".

FYI (and feel free to share this with everyone on the campus), if you hold the ALT button and type 0153 on the NumPad, you'll get a "™"!

That way, you can properly express yourself as a Rioter and say "We'll get to it... Soon™" :)

Budupops1 votes

gibe the chatlogs pls

SEKAI8 votes

I have trolled, raged, AFKed and verbal abused people a few times during my time in League. But I have only experienced Low Priority Queue a couple of times.

I don't think LoL's punishment system is as strict as some may like to think it is.

Serdarius1 votes

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I have trolled, raged, AFKed and verbal abused people a few times during my time in League. But I have only experienced Low Priority Queue a couple of times.

I don't think LoL's punishment system is as strict as some may like to think it is.

then look at my started thread.

Kazaashi3 votes

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How many times has this happened to you?

A player feeds (or not) but ultimately gets frustrated one way or another and begins to blame other people and insult them. You tell the player to calm down, be nice it's just a game etc... the player gets more irate and insulting etc, it's a troll right? Have we forgotten what trolls are? This person REPORTS YOU at the end of the game, and you get a warning.... this is STUPID. Get really unlucky, have it happen 10 games out of 100, as long as it's within a week or two you'll get a chat restriction because trolls reported you.

That is not a troll. Trolls are people who intentionally ruin the game for you for the fun of it.

If people mess up and start to rage out, don't treat them like a troll. That only makes things worse. If all you say is "It's ok man, people make mistakes. If we start to play smart and ward we can come back." then you will find a lot of people will shut up and just try to work on their mistakes. Of course, you get the people who tilt and will rage back at you and possibly report you, but as long as you don't say anything that can be construed as toxic, their reports will just get thrown out.

It always pays the be the bigger person in these situations.

I think people also get confused and report the wrong person WAY too often. And other times people just leave without reporting though somebody clearly needed to be reported by everybody in the game.

If you don't have anything to merit a report, then it just gets thrown out/ignored by the system. The fact you got restrictions means that you are toxic sometimes and it came back to bite you in the butt this time.

Just drop the entire autopunish system, bots don't correct the shittiest community in the history of gaming, you need to let players moderate or something like most large mmorpgs do. Please change this system riot, it's starting to make me hate this game more than I did before because of the community.

Just don't be toxic to people. Don't call out their bad plays, don't say what they should have done, don't call for a surrender vote, don't call for someone else to be reported. Like it's not that hard.

Maximum Morde3 votes

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don't call for a surrender vote

This is a game function, not toxic/reportable behavior. It is there to try and end a match you don't wanna play anymore. The only way it is even related to toxic behavior is if you do it, it fails, so you start trolling.

Kazaashi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=iRl645hX,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-10-22T19:30:34.280+0000)

This is a game function, not toxic/reportable behavior. It is there to try and end a match you don't wanna play anymore. The only way it is even related to toxic behavior is if you do it, it fails, so you start trolling.

Umm, I didn't have the "don't call for a surrender vote" in my original relpy. You can check it as it's only 5 post's up from your reply. Not really sure where that came from.

You can also see that my post had nothing to do with surrender votes. So, if you have something meaningful to add, please do.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Its the last paragraph of your post

"Just don't be toxic to people. Don't call out their bad plays, don't say what they should have done, don't call for a surrender vote, don't call for someone else to be reported. Like it's not that hard."

I just edited out the stuff that was legit and only commented on the silly part.

Kazaashi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=iRl645hX,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-22T20:54:24.044+0000)

Its the last paragraph of your post

"Just don't be toxic to people. Don't call out their bad plays, don't say what they should have done, don't call for a surrender vote, don't call for someone else to be reported. Like it's not that hard."

I just edited out the stuff that was legit and only commented on the silly part.

Oh, lol! My bad, I meant to say don't spam "surrender plz." or the like. I could have worded that much better, proofread fail.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I think he means in dumb situations, as a way to be angry at dying. I've had times when we won a fight and somebody surrendered because he died. We then lost because he was obviously pissed and tilting. Surrendering when you're actually in a bad situation and surrendering toxically are very different.

Benjimonster1 votes

You're suggesting to be nice to the person using different words than I did as an example then? Don't say anything that could be construed as toxic?

So I'm walking on glass when people online piss me off in this game, and ONLY this game, because nobody else has such absurd rules.

You act like a system made up of rules and numbers with no human interaction can determine if a report is valid or not, it can't and it doesn't.

In what part of my post did you gather that I call people out on their bad plays or that I say what people should have done or call a surrender vote Or call somebody else to be reported?

It's not that hard to read and comprehend. It is hard to read things people wrote about you all the while shoving words into your mouth.

FromTXwithLove1 votes

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You act like a system made up of rules and numbers with no human interaction can determine if a report is valid or not, it can't and it doesn't.

Yeah, sorry but that's just wrong. Machine Learning systems are well and fully capable of this, with something like an absurdly small false positive rate.

Reading your posts is more enlightening than feminist blogs on Tumblr. Keep up the good work m8.

Kazaashi1 votes

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You're suggesting to be nice to the person using different words than I did as an example then? Don't say anything that could be construed as toxic?

So I'm walking on glass when people online piss me off in this game, and ONLY this game, because nobody else has such absurd rules.

If you are truly just saying things like "[...] to calm down, [...] it's just a game etc..." then you would not be seeing warnings about being reported or getting a Chat Restriction. You have to be getting valid reports in a lot of your games for that to happen, which means you are either wording things in a bad way and people are misconstruing you, or you are saying toxic things. Both of which can be fixed.

I've been playing this game for 4 years now and I have seen the worst that this community can offer. I have never once been informed that I have been reported or that I was in danger of Chat Restriction. In fact, I had the teamwork honor badge for 2 years until one DC in an ARAM got me reported and it taken away. I'm sure that I have been reported by Trolls and upset people plenty of times, but since I don't type anything toxic, nothing happens.

You act like a system made up of rules and numbers with no human interaction can determine if a report is valid or not, it can't and it doesn't.

The only thing that is automated is the Chat scanning system. It's pretty easy to just not type toxic things at people. And if you get reported for verbal abuse/offensive language, it's pretty easy to scan the chat logs and see if a report is valid based on words used.

In what part of my post did you gather that I call people out on their bad plays or that I say what people should have done or call a surrender vote Or call somebody else to be reported?

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to seem like I was saying that you did those things, but meant them as examples of area's you shouldn't really chat about, in general.

Weathered3 votes

I've had people threaten they've rep me but I've never gotten a warning, so i disagree.

However, I think I've reported at least 40 legit offenses this year, from afk's to physical trolling, to the worst of verbal abuse. I have gotten one notification that a person has received a punishment. I really hope the new system on the PBE allows a filter for the stupid rager bans, and more time to look at LEGIT offenses. There must be thousands a day for them to sift through, there needs to be a better system of doing it.

azrolator3 votes

I would agree that there are a lot of trolls that play, or not really play but just be jerks. But despite calling out a trouble making troll and muting them and reporting them, I have never got a restriction or ban. I also disagree with you that trolls are people that get mad and rage. Trolls are people that just log into a game to try to wreck the game and make the other players waste their time and be miserable. If someone is insulting the team before the minions spawn then they are probably trolling. If someone is insulting the team starting 40 minutes into a game, they are just a toxic rager.

Benjimonster2 votes

I agree for the most part, but when people constantly talk trash and are nothing but negative they are pretty much being trolls whether they realize it or not. Because either way they are making the game miserable for others, and that's the real problem with the behavior. It's just semantics.

Benjimonster2 votes

Just take a look at the votes, almost half the people here have been warned for being reported by a troll. Riot: Your system is flawed.

Jubbinaut8 votes

Warnings aren't connected to anything. They are, for all intents and purposes, meaningless. They're the only subsystem that doesn't validate reports, because they don't do anything.

They don't represent a mark against your account. They aren't a step on the punishment scaling. They aren't even an indicator that you're definitely doing something toxic - only a note that you've received a fair number of reports recently, and a suggestion as to why that might be and what it might mean.

DeynaTaggerung2 votes

There's no way you got a chat restriction off of purely unfair reports. They might have been stretching the truth a little (I've seen some edge cases where a punishment may have been a little much) but there's definitely more to the story than this. So as SlumberJack mentioned why don't you post your chat logs for us to review as well, otherwise there's no good way for us to know if this is believable or not.

Benjimonster1 votes

Because this isn't about my personal situation, that's why I posted a poll. I see a problem with the system. If you can get warnings and chat restrictions automatically then you can potentially be restricted for nothing. Some people are more lucky than others I guess, and don't run into trolls, but others are not so lucky.

DeynaTaggerung1 votes

Except the system doesn't just look at how many reports you have. It uses the reports as a way of finding the people to investigate. What I'm saying is that the system isn't really messed up. Although having peer review would definitely be nice so we can only hope the Tribunal will come back soon.

Jubbinaut2 votes

I'm moving this line of conversation, because I hate when nesting fails. It bothers me.

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What are you trying to do then? From your very first post all you were doing is trolling. You aren't helping progress the conversation you're just antagonizing me.

You asked a question: "What do my personal chat logs have to do with a hypothetical situation meant to point out the flaws in the reporting system?"

I provided a possible answer to that question. Since then, all I've done is defend my statements and myself, while you've insulted me.

You said if I don't provide a chat log that proves that somebody was wrongfully warned or restricted that my hypothesis has no basis.

That's explicitly not what I said at all. At no point did I say that.

I did, however, say that it's not unreasonable for a person to assume that chat logs showing wrongful restrictions might be the basis for your hypothesis. I also said there might also be a different basis. Either way, if your audience is seeking to validate your hypothesis, that's a good thing.

So however you want to boil it down, that's the first thing you posted on this thread. You can refer to it as hypothetical and say that it has no hypothetical basis all day, but that doesn't really make sense.

The first thing I posted on this thread? Let's look over that, paragraph by paragraph:

"One would presume that your hypothetical is based on some kind of information. One might then recognize the most likely form for that information to take would be a chat restriction - either your own or someone else's - that is believed to be false."

Here, I posit an assumption, and indicate how that assumption could logically lead someone to believing that your hypothesis is based on someone's presumably-invalid chat logs.

"Establishing the validity of that chat restriction would then either a) remove the basis for the hypothesis, or b) support the basis for the hypothesis."

Here, I note the importance of validating hypotheses. As I pointed out earlier, merely accepting every hypothesis that's presented to you without objectively verifiable evidence has a lot of silly potential.

"Of course, if this concept was created whole cloth, with no basis other than your own pre-conceived notions, that's an entirely different story."

Here, I indicate that, for any situation in which the assumptions in my first paragraph are false negates the rest of that post. The language is pretty clear, I think. I'm not sure why you're so keen to interpret everything in the worst conceivable light.

The point is you threw away my original post as invalid immediately by backing up an insulting comment with your 'clarification' that was clearly not needed by anybody.

It seems to me that a person asking a question may well need clarification. If that's not the case, I kindly invite you to indicate to me how one should be expected to recognize that based solely on the question itself.

You continue to defend Slumberjack which leads me to the conclusion that you just wanted to butt in to support the riot employee and berate the other guy by acting high and mighty. You can construe this as an insult.

I'm not defending Slumberjack. I'm merely pointing out my interpretation of his statement. Because that's my opinion. Are you saying that any opinion other than yours is an insult to you?

Warnings aren't meaningless, it's a way to tell you that you've been reported a lot, and if you've been reported a lot you're more likely to be punished. How is that meaningless?

Warnings are not an indicator of how likely you are to be punished. Players who receive warnings are not necessarily more likely to be punished. Moreover, warnings are not connected to the Instant Feedback system (this would be the system that actually handles case review and punishment).

Since your hypothesis is that the Instant Feedback system is flawed, and warnings have exactly zero connection to that system, they cannot be considered to be meaningful in relation to your hypothesis.

Benjimonster1 votes

I'm done with this post, everybody just argues for no reason, nobody wants to see anything improved they just want to nit pick and act like everything is already perfect. I don't know why I thought the forums wouldn't be a reflection of the community in game. Have fun pretending riot is perfect guys, have fun pretending nothing can be improved and arguing for the sake of argument.

There were a few positive helpful posts here, and I appreciate them, but they're just buried by garbage and nonsense, just like in the real world.

Hunna8l82 votes

You should read up on "confirmation bias". You are only seeing posts that agree with you as "helpful".

We aren't pretending Riot is perfect, hell... Riot themselves aren't even pretending they're perfect. All we are saying is that

A) warnings aren't AT ALL correlated to you being chat restricted. They just give notice. If a police pulls me over and I'm actually doing nothing wrong then he won't give me a ticket. Same dealios here.

B) It's impossible to tell if your issue at hand is valid or not (I'm not suggesting either is the case here, just explaining) because people are biased towards themselves by nature. By asking for data (chat logs) we are trying to view the issue objectively (Read: logically and unbiased).

C) You aren't listening to what we are saying when we are LITERALLY here to help to understand the issue at hand.

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