Reports are becoming weapons for trolls

Benjimonster·10/22/2015, 10:50:03 AM·18 votes·8,501 views

How many times has this happened to you?

A player feeds (or not) but ultimately gets frustrated one way or another and begins to blame other people and insult them. You tell the player to calm down, be nice it's just a game etc... the player gets more irate and insulting etc, it's a troll right? Have we forgotten what trolls are? This person REPORTS YOU at the end of the game, and you get a warning.... this is STUPID. Get really unlucky, have it happen 10 games out of 100, as long as it's within a week or two you'll get a chat restriction because trolls reported you.

I think people also get confused and report the wrong person WAY too often. And other times people just leave without reporting though somebody clearly needed to be reported by everybody in the game.

Just drop the entire autopunish system, bots don't correct the shittiest community in the history of gaming, you need to let players moderate or something like most large mmorpgs do. Please change this system riot, it's starting to make me hate this game more than I did before because of the community.

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RiotSlumber Jack10/22/2015, 6:54:46 PM16 votes

You're welcome to share your chat logs if you feel like what you've received so far is undeserved. Might help shed some light on why you might be seeing warnings, too.

SEKAI10/22/2015, 11:11:57 AM8 votes

I have trolled, raged, AFKed and verbal abused people a few times during my time in League. But I have only experienced Low Priority Queue a couple of times.

I don't think LoL's punishment system is as strict as some may like to think it is.

Weathered10/23/2015, 1:28:16 AM3 votes

I've had people threaten they've rep me but I've never gotten a warning, so i disagree.

However, I think I've reported at least 40 legit offenses this year, from afk's to physical trolling, to the worst of verbal abuse. I have gotten one notification that a person has received a punishment. I really hope the new system on the PBE allows a filter for the stupid rager bans, and more time to look at LEGIT offenses. There must be thousands a day for them to sift through, there needs to be a better system of doing it.

Kazaashi10/22/2015, 3:12:00 PM3 votes

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How many times has this happened to you?

A player feeds (or not) but ultimately gets frustrated one way or another and begins to blame other people and insult them. You tell the player to calm down, be nice it's just a game etc... the player gets more irate and insulting etc, it's a troll right? Have we forgotten what trolls are? This person REPORTS YOU at the end of the game, and you get a warning.... this is STUPID. Get really unlucky, have it happen 10 games out of 100, as long as it's within a week or two you'll get a chat restriction because trolls reported you.

That is not a troll. Trolls are people who intentionally ruin the game for you for the fun of it.

If people mess up and start to rage out, don't treat them like a troll. That only makes things worse. If all you say is "It's ok man, people make mistakes. If we start to play smart and ward we can come back." then you will find a lot of people will shut up and just try to work on their mistakes. Of course, you get the people who tilt and will rage back at you and possibly report you, but as long as you don't say anything that can be construed as toxic, their reports will just get thrown out.

It always pays the be the bigger person in these situations.

I think people also get confused and report the wrong person WAY too often. And other times people just leave without reporting though somebody clearly needed to be reported by everybody in the game.

If you don't have anything to merit a report, then it just gets thrown out/ignored by the system. The fact you got restrictions means that you are toxic sometimes and it came back to bite you in the butt this time.

Just drop the entire autopunish system, bots don't correct the shittiest community in the history of gaming, you need to let players moderate or something like most large mmorpgs do. Please change this system riot, it's starting to make me hate this game more than I did before because of the community.

Just don't be toxic to people. Don't call out their bad plays, don't say what they should have done, don't call for a surrender vote, don't call for someone else to be reported. Like it's not that hard.

azrolator10/23/2015, 2:34:49 AM3 votes

I would agree that there are a lot of trolls that play, or not really play but just be jerks. But despite calling out a trouble making troll and muting them and reporting them, I have never got a restriction or ban. I also disagree with you that trolls are people that get mad and rage. Trolls are people that just log into a game to try to wreck the game and make the other players waste their time and be miserable. If someone is insulting the team before the minions spawn then they are probably trolling. If someone is insulting the team starting 40 minutes into a game, they are just a toxic rager.

DeynaTaggerung10/23/2015, 3:08:56 AM2 votes

There's no way you got a chat restriction off of purely unfair reports. They might have been stretching the truth a little (I've seen some edge cases where a punishment may have been a little much) but there's definitely more to the story than this. So as SlumberJack mentioned why don't you post your chat logs for us to review as well, otherwise there's no good way for us to know if this is believable or not.

Jubbinaut10/23/2015, 3:49:03 PM2 votes

I'm moving this line of conversation, because I hate when nesting fails. It bothers me.

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What are you trying to do then? From your very first post all you were doing is trolling. You aren't helping progress the conversation you're just antagonizing me.

You asked a question: "What do my personal chat logs have to do with a hypothetical situation meant to point out the flaws in the reporting system?"

I provided a possible answer to that question. Since then, all I've done is defend my statements and myself, while you've insulted me.

You said if I don't provide a chat log that proves that somebody was wrongfully warned or restricted that my hypothesis has no basis.

That's explicitly not what I said at all. At no point did I say that.

I did, however, say that it's not unreasonable for a person to assume that chat logs showing wrongful restrictions might be the basis for your hypothesis. I also said there might also be a different basis. Either way, if your audience is seeking to validate your hypothesis, that's a good thing.

So however you want to boil it down, that's the first thing you posted on this thread. You can refer to it as hypothetical and say that it has no hypothetical basis all day, but that doesn't really make sense.

The first thing I posted on this thread? Let's look over that, paragraph by paragraph:

"One would presume that your hypothetical is based on some kind of information. One might then recognize the most likely form for that information to take would be a chat restriction - either your own or someone else's - that is believed to be false."

Here, I posit an assumption, and indicate how that assumption could logically lead someone to believing that your hypothesis is based on someone's presumably-invalid chat logs.

"Establishing the validity of that chat restriction would then either a) remove the basis for the hypothesis, or b) support the basis for the hypothesis."

Here, I note the importance of validating hypotheses. As I pointed out earlier, merely accepting every hypothesis that's presented to you without objectively verifiable evidence has a lot of silly potential.

"Of course, if this concept was created whole cloth, with no basis other than your own pre-conceived notions, that's an entirely different story."

Here, I indicate that, for any situation in which the assumptions in my first paragraph are false negates the rest of that post. The language is pretty clear, I think. I'm not sure why you're so keen to interpret everything in the worst conceivable light.

The point is you threw away my original post as invalid immediately by backing up an insulting comment with your 'clarification' that was clearly not needed by anybody.

It seems to me that a person asking a question may well need clarification. If that's not the case, I kindly invite you to indicate to me how one should be expected to recognize that based solely on the question itself.

You continue to defend Slumberjack which leads me to the conclusion that you just wanted to butt in to support the riot employee and berate the other guy by acting high and mighty. You can construe this as an insult.

I'm not defending Slumberjack. I'm merely pointing out my interpretation of his statement. Because that's my opinion. Are you saying that any opinion other than yours is an insult to you?

Warnings aren't meaningless, it's a way to tell you that you've been reported a lot, and if you've been reported a lot you're more likely to be punished. How is that meaningless?

Warnings are not an indicator of how likely you are to be punished. Players who receive warnings are not necessarily more likely to be punished. Moreover, warnings are not connected to the Instant Feedback system (this would be the system that actually handles case review and punishment).

Since your hypothesis is that the Instant Feedback system is flawed, and warnings have exactly zero connection to that system, they cannot be considered to be meaningful in relation to your hypothesis.

Benjimonster10/23/2015, 1:08:35 AM2 votes

Just take a look at the votes, almost half the people here have been warned for being reported by a troll. Riot: Your system is flawed.

Benjimonster10/24/2015, 9:03:51 AM1 votes

I'm done with this post, everybody just argues for no reason, nobody wants to see anything improved they just want to nit pick and act like everything is already perfect. I don't know why I thought the forums wouldn't be a reflection of the community in game. Have fun pretending riot is perfect guys, have fun pretending nothing can be improved and arguing for the sake of argument.

There were a few positive helpful posts here, and I appreciate them, but they're just buried by garbage and nonsense, just like in the real world.