Riot: Character Consistency and the New Lore

Trylobyte·9/8/2014, 3:35:19 PM·48 votes·3,627 views

Yeah, it's another lore thread, but with Riot showing no signs of diverting course I think this really needs to be said.

Riot - Change the world if you must, but please keep the characters consistent.

Too often in your lore retcons, the character winds up being irrevocably altered as well. Some deeper element of the character that people always appreciated winds up being modified or even erased completely in the rewrite and the lore always suffers for it. Further, it's getting worse over time. Some of the Freljord lore changes were real dodgy, like Ashe's transformation from a wise and mature leader to a cocky King Arthur expy complete with Excalibow (and a new voiceover that makes her sound like a teenager). As the Shurima update approaches, we see more storm clouds. Let's examine two transformations where something major was lost.

Xerath's fatal flaw was always his obsessive ambition and pride rather than any sort of malice or evil. He was willing to sacrifice everything - His people, his love, himself - to achieve his goal, and nothing pained him more than losing his love because of his own actions. But he did it anyway. He regretted it immensely, and the consequences of his actions horrified him, but he went through with it. This isn't a mustache-twirling villain, this is someone who is so thoroughly obsessed with his goal that he's blind to the consequences. And one knows that, deep underneath it all, despite what he says, he still has second thoughts. He still regrets what happened the day he ascended. It wasn't supposed to happen like that.

Now he's an Evil Vizier. He's the Jafar to Azir's Sultan. Please, most of us are old enough to have seen Disney's Aladdin, we don't need one of the central conflicts rehashed in a different desert. Why take a perfectly good, poignant tale that leaves a lot of room for reading between the lines and replace it with something so banal and cliche? I hope your expanded lore is able to really make his story worth caring about in the same way the old one was without altering the fact that Xerath is a tragic monster, not an evil villain.

Let's move on. Ezreal. Boy, what a cocky little **** this guy is. Look at him. Listen to him. Everything about him screams arrogance, from his confident posturing the splash art (ALL of them) to his ingame quotes about how skilled and awesome he is, in both his normal and Pulsefire voicesets. He is League's take on a Mary Sue. How would he be embarrassed at being seen as a hero when he clearly thinks of himself as a living legend? Being seen as a hero would be exactly the sort of thing Ezreal would want since it justifies his perception of himself! Why change that core aspect of his personality? There's no reason for him to randomly turn modest now. Have him be hailed as a hero, but have him react as he should - He'd love it!

Let's not get started on Skarner. Holy **** did you guys just screw that one up in more ways than I can possibly go into here. There are threads that do it better justice than I ever could.

With the removal of the League of Legends and the Institute of War, this rewriting of characters' personalities is making lore aficionados nervous. A lot of champions have ties to the League and have subtle personality quirks and conflicts that could be lost in the rewrite. Whether their characters were deepened by their Judgements (Xerath and Lux stand out), by events in the JoJ (Many), or simply by their association with the place (Cho'gath, Fiddlesticks), or even entirely defined and given context by their interaction with the League (Kayle and Morgana), a lot stands to be lost in the upcoming revisions.

Please, try harder to make sure you avoid fundamentally altering the character and changing the very thing people liked about them.

27 Comments

Helmight9/8/2014, 6:25:49 PM17 votes

"But maintaining a character's personality is too hard to do and we need more stereotypical bad guys to pad out our factional conflicts!" - Rito

For real though, I have no words to describe how much I hate Xerath's retcon. Before, he was ostensibly still a villain, but not consciously - he just did what he wanted to do, and damn the consequences. Now he's literally evil for the sake of evil. Thanks Riot, for dumbing down all of your characters.

And didn't they say once that they wanted characters with "shades of grey" instead of being black or white?

AbiwonKenabi9/8/2014, 9:15:24 PM8 votes

I wish I could give you more upvotes, but I can only give you the one. You perfectly summarized what I think a lot of lore-lovers are thinking about all these sweeping changes.

I'm glad Riot is at last revealing their long-awaited lore plans, but when it comes to changes, I feel as though they're taking a chainsaw to it instead of a scalpel, carefully removing or changing things that could be improved.

sp4419/8/2014, 9:51:56 PM7 votes

Honestly, it bothers me that Riot says that the reason they retconned the title of the game was in the name of characters, and how much they connect with characters more and blah blah blah, yet they retcon characters left and right without any hesitation.

Or do they love only their characters, and everybody who likes the old ones gets to eat shit?

Motajo9/8/2014, 10:03:15 PM5 votes

Whether their characters were deepened by their Judgements (Xerath and Lux stand out)

I dread this rewrite so much. Lux has been my favorite character since a bit after her release; I can't trust them at all to get it right. I can only hope they don't flanderize, or otherwise desecrate, her personality when they finally get around to changing her background.

Khodexus9/10/2014, 3:14:52 PM4 votes

I read through all of the posted lore updates, and every single one of them dismayed me deeply...

I love Ezreal, and Sivir, and Xerath, and many of the rest. But these are no longer those champions. I didn't care one way or another about Skarner, or the whole Renekton/Nasus thing, but I still am appalled by this new direction. Not only have they lost their identities, and the quirks that make them engaging and interesting, but the new lore samples are barely even worthy of the term. There's nothing there, almost literally.

And don't even get me started on Amumu. Where is his curse? His quest to find friends? Is he even still a yordle? Because that was a huge part of his character. We only had 12 yordles, are we back down to 11? We need MORE yordles, not less!!

What is the point of shoehorning every one of these champions into Shurima? Many of them had ties there already, without needing to be 'fixed' just because Azir and some Shurima themed event is coming soon...

Rozzeta9/9/2014, 1:11:33 AM4 votes

I completely agree with this. If anything, Ezreal was annoyed that his newfound powers made him a candiate summon for the League. He didn't want to be involved in the political affairs of the city estates. Now that the League is no more, I can imagine his Devonair skin being more canon than that shyness he has when being called a hero.

xSerah9/9/2014, 3:53:40 AM4 votes

Not enough upvote for this. You nailed everything on the head with such an intelligent point of view. I'm glad to not be the only one dreading the impending rito derpage all over some of my favorite characters lores. Will we see a red post here? probably not. We might just have to start spamming the boards with lore complaints to warrant attention. That saddens me, because you're right on point.

Zhugan9/9/2014, 6:23:56 PM4 votes

I've said it before, I will say it again. Riot doesn't care about any of that. They care about telling the story they want to tell with the characters that they want to have. Its the community's job to watch as their favorite champion's lore gets obliterated and accept that it is part of "better things".

They don't care if we complain. They don't care that we've screamed against the retcon and the destruction of the history/story of numerous characters. They don't care that these new stories are alienating people who used to love the lore. THEY DON'T CARE.

Monsoul79/10/2014, 1:49:23 PM3 votes

I desperately wish they would have left the bios alone. Amumu had a very reasonable bio that fit him. HE WAS KOOL! Xerath was the same. Lord help us if they go for Nautilus next, because he had a similar reason for joining the League of Legends as Amumu. Seriously, a lot of characters joined for a reason, and you should just leave them be. They already joined the League. I guess what makes me mad most is the fact that they replaced these awesome bios with crappy one or two line trunks. It doesn't seem like Xerath has any reason any more. Why did he ascend? Or better yet, why is he a destructive douche? Please Riot, if you are going to replace stories, do a better job. You have some awesome characters, and it saddens me deeply to see them marred with a petty little plot line. Put more time into your writing. I didn't spend hundreds of dollars on your game for crappy character development (in fact your character designs are what keep me excited for your game). Please, take your time with a character's story.Nidalee

AlexXeno9/10/2014, 1:55:34 AM3 votes

This is something that has been really bothering me as well, especially since the last big story update they did for Freljord. Some were good, like Avina. They made her part of the world. But others like Ashe Tryndermere and Trundle. They ruined parts of the world. Ashe and Trynd were married for political reasons. Mainly to make them a big enough population to be considered a city state. Now Trynd has no people. But last I checked they are still married, with no reasoning. And trundle... Trundle went from being a boy(Among his own) who sacrificed everything to be recognized only to be shunned (taking everyone's flesh eating curse). If you ever read his judgement when he joined the league he was offered a choice. They could have undone the ritual that eat away at him. He decided to keep it. that despite the fact that he his people all shunned him, he wouldn't shun them and would prove himself a hero to everyone. Now.. Well he's a "cunning" runt of the litter.. but really if he's cunning... It's only because the rest of his race is so stereotypical stupid that that a common household pet could outsmart them.** His character is flat and unimaginative **

So... yeah all this talk of the current story being too hard to keep up. I call BS and the story team just doesn't want to try anymore.

Xyphios9/9/2014, 9:43:13 PM2 votes

I like almost all of the new lore... the only thing wrong is Skarner 's new lore ... Skarner's old lore was so good and his new lore is so bad it drives me crazy...the only way i think they can fix it is if they bring Taric into valoran to cover up the missing lore connection to the crystal scar.

Sneak Dog9/9/2014, 10:19:12 PM2 votes

I think Xerath is going to be just fine, they just gave a skewed look at him as explicitly stated on the na forums by RiotRunaan. They probably should make this more obvious by giving the in-lore source of the information. The real question is whether he will be fine during the Shurima event or not. I want to see Xeraths side during or at the end of the Shurima event or I feel like we're going to have some real trust/communication issues where Riot has an entirely different view of their lore than us for extended amounts of time.

Now I'm not talking about secret origins and stuff, this is the part where the player can sympathise with Xerath and it should be out there for Xerath players. This is one of Leagues champions' strongest points, most have relatable human elements in their lore adding depth. Withdrawing this from the fans of a champion for months feels unfair. Considering the Freljord event, this might just happen (remember, Trundle was supposed to get a twist, yeah...).

For now, I'd suggest taking characters from the Freljord event as examples, as they have (should have) settled in already. I made a thread about Trundle already, simply compare his old lore to his new in-game presentation (that voice-over) and you'll see it is not the same troll. They made a mistake there and I won't trust them to keep characters' identities intact in the future unless they're willing to fix mistakes, for they already have made at least one. Either that or they're lying about wanting to keep identities intact or I've been wrong about this after brooding over it for months and not having found a single person with reasonable arguments to proof me wrong. Here's me hoping they'll come back on Trundle or I can't enjoy the lore to come (only from a corner, with squinty eyes and frowned eyebrows, cackling every now and then).

TDD Dissinger9/9/2014, 6:40:58 AM2 votes

Xerath's fatal flaw was always his obsessive ambition and pride rather than any sort of malice or evil. He was willing to sacrifice everything - His people, his love, himself - to achieve his goal, and nothing pained him more than losing his love because of his own actions. But he did it anyway. He regretted it immensely, and the consequences of his actions horrified him, but he went through with it. This isn't a mustache-twirling villain, this is someone who is so thoroughly obsessed with his goal that he's blind to the consequences. And one knows that, deep underneath it all, despite what he says, he still has second thoughts. He still regrets what happened the day he ascended. It wasn't supposed to happen like that.

Uhh no, that makes you evil, with a capital E. He thought it was worth sacrificing everything dear to him. That is Evil. There is no debate that he is Evil because he made that sacrifice. No one knows if he has regrets about it, because he certainly doesn't offer anything close to doubt in his voice overs. I think you're trying to sympathize with the devil on this one, and well, he's the devil for a REASON.

Now he's an Evil Vizier. He's the Jafar to Azir's Sultan. Please, most of us are old enough to have seen Disney's Aladdin, we don't need one of the central conflicts rehashed in a different desert. Why take a perfectly good, poignant tale that leaves a lot of room for reading between the lines and replace it with something so banal and cliche? I hope your expanded lore is able to really make his story worth caring about in the same way the old one was without altering the fact that Xerath is a tragic monster, not an evil villain.

They are basing it on a cultural norm of advisors to the throne. They aren't just in Aladdin, there was all kinds of advisors. Rasputin comes to mind, Cardinal Richelieu from Three Musketeers, the trope exists beyond the bounds of a disney flick. I advise you to expand your horizons. I understand you're angry at the changes, but baseless accusations on the reason for the changes is as silly as me saying Sion is a fair and balanced champ.

ModCaptainMårvelous9/9/2014, 4:57:39 AM2 votes

Well, all things considered, a Mary Sue shouldn't be cocky if Ezreal is indeed a mary sue. A Mary Sue has all the positive qualities with absolutely none of the downsides. With this change, Ezreal is both cocky, humble, is dating Luxanna, has incredible magical prowess and is also a world renowned explorer.

Which is why it's fun to kill him lots.

Aznsy9/9/2014, 5:27:01 PM2 votes

honestly, I just read them as though they're from other points of view. There are people who love and hate Kim Jong Un because they have differing views on him. He's the same person, its just people view what he does differently.

SerBlaise9/10/2014, 1:59:19 PM1 votes

I think Xerath still fits exactly as you described him: power hungry. Why else would he push Azir out of the way? Why does a character's assessment of him as evil (as in Nasus and Renekton locking him up) change that? It seems to me like you are rather close-minded to any further expansion on the few paragraphs of backstory we were originally given.

Mjolnir8029/9/2014, 8:34:25 PM1 votes

I don't necessarily agree with the specific changes being made to the lore, and yes I am a little scared of what will become of my favorite characters (Amumu is a yordle whether Riot acknowledges it or not), but I do agree that something had to be done to change/improve the lore, and more specifically the champion bios. Nearly every champion up to about Lissandra (Freljord Event) had the same, stale, formulaic bio:

"Here is this person/creature. Here is where they are from. Here is the power they have and what they did to make them special. Now they are trying to reach some goal, so they are joining the League of Legends so they can reach that goal. Will they get it? To be continued..."

And this happened over and over again for just over 100 champions. It just got old. The character bios for newer champions (ignoring the retcons/rewrites) have been far more interesting because they are from other points of view than this purely objective reciter of facts and histories. Lores such as Gnar's where Rengar finds the young yordle in the forest while hunting for a beast, or Vel'koz first person perspective gave us an insight as to what this creature was and how it saw the world. These stories are able to tell us similar information as the old bios, but are able to do it in a way that is more than just shoving the raw facts into our faces. It also leaves things open for more expansion and exploration.

Unfortunately Riot doesnt have the same opportunity of a blank slate to work off with the existing champions. They all have something already established that the fanbase cares about one way or another. Some of that stuff doesnt even exist (explicity) in the lore Riot has created; things that the fans have created such as the romances between Garen and Katarina, Pantheon and Leona (and Diana sometimes), Ahri and Wukong, Zed and Syndra, etc. and embraced as actually part of the lore, whether true or not. So any changes made to these stories, official or not, is bound to find some backlash. And for that I do not envy the Rioters trying to make the Lore outside of the bios relevant again.