A PSA to those complaining about the lore changes.

ChickenWrap··12 votes·2,287 views

I have a few things to say, as someone who's been around since the start and who cares about the lore of the game probably more than most of you do.

Yes, lore can be a great way to get into a game, and yes, it could be written better, and yes, Skarner shouldn't have been touched at all, but they're trying to centralize the game into a few key areas. Personally, I'm really glad Shurima is one of them. There is literally nothing known on the Plague Jungles at this time (gee rito so y dont u do it den?) It's not that simple. One person can't just churn out an entire 10 paragraphs on the Plague Jungles when hardly anything has been done on them before just to make sure Rammus still has his sentience intact. To be quite frank, his old lore was worse. Armadillo travels across Shurima (oh look Rammus lives in Shurima!) into the Plague Jungles somehow without dying. Enters a maze. Gains sentience.

Take a good long hard look at that.

Tell me that that isn't stupid.

You can't. It's awful and you know it.

In the case of Nasus and Renekton? Their base lore stays the same. Still keepers, still wants to kill the other, still has a good reason for it. These are, I would assume, tidbits of a full run-down of the lore. What you need to remember is, just like with the VU on skins, this is the PUBLIC BETA ENVIRONMENT that they're on, which means it's UNFINISHED. NOT COMPLETE. ES NO FINITO!

So take a step back, Let Riot do their thing, do an honest comparison instead of "new is bad!" and then come to a well-informed conclusion AFTER IT MAKES IT TO THE LIVE SERVERS!

Although, I'd still very much like to see the JoJ make a re-emergence. And remember, this game isn't driven by its story. If Riot wants to do that in the future, let them. They started to, but then they seem to have stopped. Let them bring it back if and when they want to on their own time. It's their company, not yours. Feel free to go out and MAKE your own company, though. Personally, I wouldn't get too upset over a lack of knowing everything about the lore f the land until we have at least two more maps to prove that RIot really wants to flesh out their world. It's clear that their focus is to get great things out first, then work on things that can be easily changed, such as the lore.

"Oh but the lore is set in stone!" No it's not. Just take a look at WoW. Nothing about anything is ever set in stone Nudges Ghostcrawler Except Frost Mage buffs.

When all is said and done, I can almost guarantee that Riot will go back an put in some stellar, detailed lore into their game, when they're ready, not when you want it. If it makes you feel better, DoTA2 employs the parallel universe clause for like, 6 of their heroes, so at least Riot isn't pulling out that card, eh?

Obligatory "It's a free game and if you don't like it you can always just stop playing"

39 Comments

Sneak Dog8 votes

I'd like to point back to Trundle, seeing how we do have the full retcon on him.

Trundle used to have a great tragic story developing his character if you took the background and the judgement combined. He was getting bullied by his clan, but got a chance to help his entire clan. Eager to gain their respect, he accepted. Seeing how the clan still saw his as the runt they once bullied angered him and he lost all compassion for them. They could have took the core of this story and just put it in the Frelljord and replaced taking on the curse with becoming leader.

Now however, he is a sadistic brute that lies if he can't just plainly win. This isn't anything close to the old Trundle. He never was sadistic (he became cynical during his background), he didn't have any references to just lie. They legitimately replaced Trundle with a new troll that also happens to be called Trundle instead of keeping the old character Trundle in a new setting. Then they saw the player feedback and still did nothing.

This is why I don't trust the lore department one little bit and I fear for what they'll do with Skarner and Ezreal.

Gavran1 votes

And it's perfectly reasonable to be worried, but wait until it's actually finished to start complaining.

ChickenWrap1 votes

Trundle's new lore is straight up better than his old lore and I prefer the new lore. It's better written and I feel also better suits the characters skillset.

The player feedback was wrong, is the issue. They were upset because of change. People are upset by change, it's a common fact, but change can also do a lot. They blindly shouted at it being a monstrosity but they were wrong They did not give it a chance and instead just condemned it to die.

Things that are older hold a place in your heart because you were introduced to it like that, but take off your shades and realize that just because it's what you were introduced to doesn't mean it's better.

The only one I'm worried about is Skarner, but we will see. They could go placed with it, but he'd also need a new VO.

Before you say anything, I've been playing since the release of Udyr.

Sneak Dog1 votes

They could have put the old Trundles character in the new situation just fine and made him do all this stuff. Instead, they chose to replace his character with this bully. I do not mind Trundle being an ice troll, make him a sand troll for all I care. I mind him being a generic bully and not Trundle. This is what I've been saying when I complain about the retcon, this is why I don't trust the lore department, they retconned a character and did not fix it when they saw the player feedback.

Could you now explain to me why it would be straight up better? They retconned his character and replaced him with a new one. If they wanted a new character, they should've released a new character. It would be like replacing Skarner as a raging monster.

Edit: Perhaps I forgot to address something properly. I do not think it is good to replace an ok character with an epic but entirely unrelated character in a lore of over a hundred characters. The epic one should have just been a separate character considering new characters get added systematically already.

PhailRaptor1 votes

It would be like replacing Skarner as a raging monster.

It kind of seems like they are....

>.>

ChickenWrap1 votes

But he's not a generic bully. When I said the new lore was better, I meant that in that the new lore was better written than the old lore.

The new Trundle felt that his tribe was going to be in a bad spot. Because he cared about it, he challenged the Troll King and lost. Then, he made up a story about a great weapon because he wasn't going to just roll over and let the tribe stay in its current state. He went through great lengths to get this weapon for his tribe so that he could lead it. He felt that if he led the tribe, then he could help put them on the right path instead of their current one, which would lead them to ruin. When faced with a life-or-death situation he knew he couldn't win, he told Lissandra he could give her an army of trolls. While not what he originally wanted for his tribe, it saved his life and guaranteed their safety. This was good enough for him until he could find a way to get out of Lissandra's grasp and free the tribe.

Does that sound like a bully to you?

Sneak Dog1 votes

Trundle is a hulking and devious troll with a mischievous streak. There is nothing he can't beat into submission and bend to his will, not even the ice itself.

First two sentences of his lore, supposedly summing up Trundle.

Not troll chief, troll king. King! The Freljord is mine Bow down You're in MY kingdom now!

His voice-over

I do not mind that Trundle is an ice troll. I do not mind him taking the lead of the tribe and working for Lissandra. What I hate is how he is portrayed as a power-hungry bully in his current lore. What you told is what might be going on in his head, but it's not what is told to us, it's not what is conveyed in his voice-over, his appearance, his splash art. The only thing it is, is close enough to old Trundle to be an acceptable replacement.

Now consider the current lore departments unwillingness to give us answers or to move on any story, consider how much people hate the word 'retcon'. I expect them to just leave Trundle be in his awful state of generic bad guy, because giving him all-new voice-overs and perhaps even tweaking his texture would be too much work or they might even fear another outlash of the community.

ChickenWrap1 votes

Fair enough on the former point, but he's not a bully. The way the troll leader is picked is by a show of strength. He wasn't strong enough, so he used his wit to accomplish his goals. Winning by being cunning does not mean you're a bully, but you've got to be strong to survive the Freljord.

In terms of the quotes, Trundle proclaimed himself king of the trolls. He may be a tad power hungry, but I still believe he wants what's best for his people

It also costs quite a bit of money to bring someone in to do VO's. I like to think of Trundle as a generally soft guy, hardened on the outside by the Freljord, doing what he can to stay alive and protect his people, not quite happy with how he has to do it, but knowing he can't move them out of the Freljord and knowing that they're generally much worse without him.

Heart of Gold was removed from the shop, and placed directly into Trundle's chest.

Sneak Dog2 votes

Sounds all nice but it still doesn't address how they did not present him with a heart of gold. They presented him as a generic brute among brutes, but one that lies if brute force that doesn't work. They failed to give him the great character you presented because while playing him, you'd never guess he might just be a compassionate worried troll beneath that thick skin, his presentation is all generic bully. His old voice-over actually had this combination of cynical and suffering troll.

Wheatloaf4 votes

I wouldn't be so bothered by all the complaining if they'd word their posts with a few less expletives, and far less near-baseless accusations. Is it too much to ask for people to express their displeasure in a civilized manner?

Pryotra4 votes

Um, honestly, The plague jungles did have a pretty good explanation. They were a zone that humans, in their arrogance and ignorance, had made so toxic with abuse, between Zaun dumping waste there and the Rune wars, that it was uninhabitable to humans. This was the original location for Twisted Treeline, and Home to Maokai, Trundle, Rammus, and Wukong.

Maokai was reworked with TT, as his lore ties him directly to that map. Anywhere it goes, he follows.

Trundle was victim to the Great Frejlordian Retconning.

Rammus looks like the next victim of the Great Shurima Retconning V2.0: Electric Bugaloo

Only Kong remains. I imagine he will be part of Ionia's eventual retconning.

For those who think Kong came from Ionia, you are incorrect. He came from the Plague jungles, and due to a runestone leftover from the rune wars and a happy accident involving the leader of his tribe, he became incredibly power and thirsty for greatness. He was sent north to learn from and challenge the hairless apes to the north. Finding Yi, he learned Wuju Style and became Wukong, the Monkey that joined the league.

They had a solid thing going with the plague jungles, but they have trashed it to shove the champions randomly elsewhere, in my guess to increase the body count in lore retconns. Not alot of good reasons here.

PhailRaptor1 votes

Um.. Zaun is way up on the northern part of the continent. The Plague Jungles are all the way down at it's southern end. Zaun and the Plague Jungles have no relationship whatsoever : /

The Twisted Treeline was never part of the Plague Jungles. It was merely a forest on the outskirts of Zaun that was suffering from extreme pollution from Zaun. Maokai was originally born there through a freak accident with one of the Nexus' during a League match. Then, with the Shadow Isles event, Mao and TT were relocated from the outskirts of Zaun to the Shadow Isles.

Original Trundle doesn't seem to have really been from anywhere, specifically. Neither his original Lore, nor his League Judgement give a location. The Journal of Justice locates trolls in general, not necessarily the Ruhgosk tribe specifically, to the Ironspine Mountans, separating Piltover and Zaun from the rest of the continent. This contains the same area that original Twisted Treeline resided, but does not specifically place Trundle anywhere in particular.

Rammus has always loosely been Shuriman. Somehow he managed to travel to the Plague Jungles, where he encountered the "hedge maze" that randomly gave him sentience (which I suspect may in some manner be related to Zyra, but I digress...). So while he would not exist without the Plague Jungles, he wasn't necessarily "from" there.

Wukong is the only true Plague Jungles champion.

Pryotra1 votes

Hmm, good catch!

Rammus I'm iffy about, as I always felt it was the plague jungles where he gained his sentience, and therefore became a new thing. I mean, it was the sentience that made the champion. I'd say we are both right. Sound fair?

I recall Trundle actually called the plague jungle home, as he felt kinship or something like that with it. Couldn't tell you were I found that though, so I could just be imagining that. Still, I thought the tribe came from there. Oh well, I won't contest the point.

ChickenWrap2 votes

Alternatively, perhaps they just felt like the champions would do better placed there instead?

Trundle's skillset sets him up to be more of a hulking brute than what he was. Being a runt and having that kind of skillset don't mesh, what Riot did was a good thing.

Rammus was originally from Shurima, like I said in the OP if you actually read the entire thing.

And in all truthfulness, I think it was a good thing that the Twisted Treeline moved out of the plague jungles.

To finish, the worst that can happen to Wukong would be to have been moved to Ionia. I believe Riot realizes that the Plague jungles are legit just a dumb forest that can't be lived in and it trying to bring champions out of it because it's such a small and honestly insignificant space, kind of like the Fyrone Flats. It's an area, but there's legitimately nobody that comes from there. Same with the Tempest Flats. I want you to find someone who's never heard either of the lores and then give them the new lore first and then the old lore second and ask them which is better. Odds are 9 times out of 10 they'll say the new lore is better.

Pryotra1 votes

Trundle moves really fast. That sounds brutish to you? how about sharing the curse with you temporarily, allowing his power to shine through for how much you can bare. He was a runt, true, that was given both the entire regenerative ability and plague of his people, making him capable of taking on more than other runts. That all said, how dare you say the retconning of trundle was a good thing? Even Rioters admit it was a mistake.

I'll give you rammus, though I feel the sentience makes that champion in particular.

As far as TT is concerned, its your opinion.

To finish, don't underestimate the destruction that Kitae can bring. They thought it was impossible to make Amumu's or Rammus' lore worse, but she succeeded. She took the greatest troll of a tribe of trolls, and turned it into a puppet leader of the trolled. Now she is removing all humanity from the most human monster we have. Don't think for a second that she won't ruin Wukong in a heartbeat.

ChickenWrap1 votes

Nope, I think new Trundle's lore is better. If Riot really saw it as a mistake, they wouldn't have followed through with it.

The only reason it was "bad" is because of the insane player backlash.

Brutes move pretty fast too btw, y'know, leg muscles and everything? The only thing that could be a part of his old lore is his ult, and I suppose if we're going to take passives into consideration, that as well.

One would assume Trundle has special power due to his club, allowing him to raise the ice pillar. How did he do it before? Biting could have just been an extra hard swing of the club, which pre-change Trundle should have had issues doing and dealing significant damage with. Same with his E. Again, magical ice troll holding true ice weapon as opposed to somehow being able to spawn it with the filth growing over his body that he can't control.

PhailRaptor1 votes

The thing is though, they could have made old Trundle's Lore better without destroying it. The only reason they had to destroy it is because they decided they wanted him to fill the empty spot on Lissandra's roster.

Am I upset that we have the current Trundle? No. But do I have any attachments to the current Trundle? No, I don't. Because he's just a generic bad guy who also happens to be a generic troll. Current Trundle feels like someone at Riot pulled a lever on a special slot machine that has a wheel for Race, Location, and Personality, and current Trundle is what they landed on.

Old Trundle had something that current Trundle did not. He related to the player. Most of us who play video games are bullied. Some of us are rather small compared to other kids our age. We looked at old Trundle, and we saw ourselves. Better yet, old Trundle got the chance to give those who bullied him a giant middle finger after they betrayed him, giving us hope that someday we might get that chance, too.

So not only is current Trundle "Generic Troll Character Number X", but to get him, we had to give up something that gave us hope.

thatonevinyl1 votes

I'm sorry, but if that's how you saw old Trundle, then you had a sad childhood my friend.

PhailRaptor1 votes

Yes, I did. Your point?

ChickenWrap1 votes

If we're looking for player relations, why not VIktor? He wants to make the world a better place and is constantly bullied around by Jayce!

I'm sure over half the League community identifies with Draven and his "holier-than-thou" attitude and ego.

I can't speak for you or anyone else, but I never saw myself in old Trundle. He didn't relate to me. Many people who play videogames are not bullied, actually. The vast majority of it is done by people who aren't bullied to other people who aren't bullied online, because tough guy act and the shroud of the internet. In elementary school there was a child who picked on me, but I put a stop to it. I stood up for myself. You know what? He left me alone after that.

You can prevent bullying as easily as you can start it. It lies in your hands to stop it. So why don't you?

sp4412 votes

What if the kid is stronger than you? What if he has friends? What if he's a sociopath that won't stop until he has extracted every single last ounce of fun out of you? What if you're too afraid of talking about it to authorities? What if you just don't have the mental fortitude to stand up for yourself?

Just because you had a pussy for a bully doesn't mean everybody has. Sometimes it's less about stopping the bully and more about being strong-willed, because sometimes they won't go away until you move to an entirely different school.

Pryotra1 votes

Riot actually went through because they trusted Kitae, she has since changed jobs within the company. Riot has also since admitted that Trundle's retcon was a mistake, as it didn't hold true to the old core of the character in a multitude of ways. Namely, that now he became a pawn of Lissandra's in order to rule, while old Trundle had no interest in ruling his tribe and rather screwed it over when given the opportunity. Also, that new trundle is a brute that wins by force, but old trundle was opportunistically clever and used deceit.

Biting is a runt tactic, while Brutes just tend to use raw muscle. The pillar used to actually be a pile of Trundles... well it was never exactly clear what it really was, but it was obviously either excrement or just rotted off flesh. Really hard to distinguish. Either way, it's something a troll could fashion rather quickly, as they are known for their excrement, and Trundles flesh litterally grew back as it rotted away. One could theoretically just tear massive clumps off and fashion it into a quick pile. It also makes since why it slowed down champions, as the sheer sight and smell must have been overpowering up close.

Also, Ice now makes people move faster. Good to know! At least old Trundles made sense as he A) was a runt, and good at running when he had to, and B) infected the land with his plague temporarily in order to allow his body to move faster.

Defend it as you will, I doubt others here will agree.

ChickenWrap1 votes

New Trundle's also pretty cunning, I don't get where your "he's a brute and only uses force" piece comes from. Also, yes I talked about the biting bit, however I guess she still has a relatively powerful jaw. The pillar would still take a few minutes to fashion, and have you ever heard of skating? I don't know about you, but I've slid down a number of frozen paths, roads, and patches of ice without falling over, allowing me to go a lot faster than if I had just walked over them.

If someone is familiar with ice, they should have no issues walking over it. Your justification for his old E is that somehow by injecting the land with his plague he can move faster. Does he like, merge with the ground, or what?

I will defend it, because I think it was a good choice and better suits Trundle. The only thing I think they should have done was not have Trundle serve Lissandra. However, he still screwed over his own tribe on purpose just like the old Trundle did.

Pryotra1 votes

Explain how new trundle is "cunning". He simply looked for a bigger stick to win a fight that raw strength alone could not win, and bended knee to Lis to get it. That isn't smart, no matter how you look at it.

As far as ice making you faster, then how come every other instance of it in the game slows people down? Clarity test failed. At least old Trundle cast his plague into the local vegetation, allowing his Troll regeneration to give him increased agility without tiring. Similar to how his ult cast his plague into another champion, allowing his true strength to shine through proportionally to how much of the curse they could take.

By the way, Trolls are known for how quickly they can assemble their dung heaps. It's like they simply spawn them. It would be no stretch of the imagination for Trundle, being a troll, to simply "spawn" a dung heap. Keep in mind that this is a game for younger kids, so they don't get too graphic with it.

Again, how does new Trundle screw over his kind? He saves their lives by pledging them to Lissandra. Not only is that a dumb choice, he does it for their benefit. Old trundle would have simply aquired the artifact one way or another, and let the Tribe die. Heck, he may even push them to their death by convincing the leader that he was infallible or something. That way, he keeps the Ice club, and Lissandra has no use for him, as he is only 1 runt troll and not particularly useful for anything. Winner by default, if you think about it.

ChickenWrap1 votes

I've said my peace on the topic which is why I haven't responded to the others. You need to re-read and actually look at his lore.

As far as ice making you slower, when was the last time that ice applied underneath you made you slower? Ever been frozen solid? Do you move quickly? No. Ever been ice skating? Do you move quickly? Do you know how to slide on ice with your shoes? You move faster. Logical test failed on your part.

New Trundle is better, and i will not comment further. There is no point in arguing in circles.

Pryotra1 votes

Suddenly Anivia's Ult. Precedent was set in this game for this, and New trundle failed the Clarity test. If logic had a say, than how can AP Teemo do ANYTHING to Blitzcrank? Sometimes, you just have to look at the world around something instead of the world you live in to determine if said thing makes sense. Besides, he clearly isn't skating. He is galloping. If anything, he should be slowed and taking damage on every step.

As far as better, How? I looked over your responses, and you just kept saying he is "clever" or used "wit" but never said how. That detail is one I missed, both in your responses and in his lore. Please, point it out to me, because all I see is a dumb troll making dumb choices for dumb reasons in some effort to be liked and to gain some semblence of control, when in reality he is too dumb to realize he traded his freedom for that semblance of control.

ChickenWrap1 votes

Suddenly a Blizzard as opposed to a sheet of calm ice. Do you move faster in a blizzard with snow and ice peting you every which way? Have you even seen snow?

In regards to Teemo/Blitz, the clarity is there I hit you, you take damage. Pretty simple right?

I never said he's skating. You can slide on ice. It makes you move faster. Clearly you've never done it before.

The lore is better written, and new Trundle is a better character overall. Read the story over again. Actually read it, and you'll understand everything I said.

Pryotra1 votes

Actually, I've been in a blizzard. Personally, yes, because I love cold weather, but most people tend to slow down. Regardless, the point still stands. In League, Ice fields slow down people, with the exception of new Trundle, because thank you Kitae.

And your point about skating would make sense, were he skating/sliding and not galloping. There is no scenario where galloping over ice makes you move quicker. Best case scenario, you manage not to fall and go about the same speed, and your actions (like swinging a giant club) are about the same speed. Worst case scenario, you slip and hurt yourself, and actions have a chance at throwing you off balance. Sliding while galloping is the exact opposite of what you want, as it gets you hurt pretty consistantly.

As far as Blitz/Teemo, please enlighten me how poison effect machines? If logic truly had a say, then this would be the first issue in the front of a long line of other logical falacies. Blinding Lee sin or Lissandra is up there too. Point is, logic can not be used, as League of legends doesn't use the same logic as the real world.

I did actually read it. He is not a "better" character, and I have explained why. I asked you to explain your side, and all you can say is read it. This tells me that either A) you mindlessly parrot whatever any Rioter says with no real opinion of your own, or B) don't really have a response, and are just trolling.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm going to assume you are a troll and not just retarded. Feel free to actually construct an argument to prove me wrong, I look forward to it.

ChickenWrap1 votes

See, this is just you being rude.

I have explained myself before to you, and to others. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm going to assume you are a troll and not just retarded and lack proper reading comprehension skills.

I'm truly done with this discussion. At this point, the conversation is just repeating itself in circles.

Pryotra1 votes

You really didn't, and I don't care. If you did, please, point it out to me, as it seems you never linked me to it, or said it to me.

I'm not going to look up your entire post history to validate your side. If you didn't say it to me, then how can I know if you said it at all? I've asked several times, and clearly you can't even come up with your own arguments any more. 3/10, only because you were persistant.

-SSoTP

ChickenWrap1 votes

Here's the thing, if you were following along with the conversation in this thread, you'd have noticed it's clearly there in the thread.

Your unwillingness to actually go out and look as well as you saying you "don't care" but arguing so feverishly for it, as well as your usage of an acronym from 2011-2012 leads me to believe that you're either really bad at trolling, or you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and me refusing to continue a circular argument is you "winning" said argument.

You have also been nothing but an ass this entire conversation, why? That doesn't seem befitting of someone who claims to be from the Secret Society.

Pryotra1 votes

Firstly, the acronym was simply a way for you to know who you are talking to. I know very much about Trundle, past and present. Past was indeed better.

As for my unwillingness, you simply saying you have said it, is no longer enough when I ask for a link. I could claim Tryndamere told the community to call Riot out when we felt they needed calling out (actually happened btw), but it wouldn't mean anything unless I proved it or you saw it. I looked, and I can't find it. If you can't point it out, for the sake of this argument it's essentially an uproven point. Especially when I have asked several times.

I'll even help you out. If you can find that statement where you "prove" the new lore is better, there should be a link at the bottom called "Permalink". Right click > Copy Link Location. Now paste the link in your reply. Too easy.

Pryotra1 votes

Looks like we hit the reply limit. Just to let you know, as you might not get a notification on it.

sp4414 votes

Oh, ok then, we can't complain about anything them, my bad. Riot are saints made out of pure gold, and can do absolutely no wrong, it's us, filthy playerbase, who are in the wrong for being upset about the constant retcons, the total lack of communication, and people treating us like crazy people for caring about the lore. Obviously we hate everything because it's new, and only because it's new, it has nothing to do with our tastes or our attachment to the old, it's only because it's new.

Look, it doesn't matter how you paint it, completely changing the origins and personality of a character on a dime is NOT good lore building. Why get attached to anything if the writers are just going to rewrite it completely whenever they feel like it?

Sadistic Cheese1 votes

Agreed, OP. They've got a direction that they're going in and it's typically best to wait to see what that direction IS before anyone starts complaining. The time it takes is also I think dictated because they want to be meticulous about keeping their options open in the future. In a situation like this, if they really do care about their lore, with a stage the size and scale of which they've went with, it could be very easy to write yourself into a corner. Especially with the way people here on the net treasure and revere continuity and their stories making sense to them.

I think both WoW and League are tales about people. Many of whom (particularly here in League) are legendary figures. Stories spring up around them, and doubtless not all of them are true. Perhaps the best thing for those of us who enjoy the lore to do is not to consider champion lore less as a direct statement of EXACTLY what happened to these characters, but to view it like....like the common story that circulates around Runeterra's League fans. This is what the fans know, or this is what they've heard from other champions in the case of things like Rengar's POV in the gnar story. The truth may be something very different, what we see as truth may change.

For example people complain about the Ezreal changes. Well, Ez is rather annoying. Let's be honest, he is. His attitude and his ego don't feel the same as Draven's. It almost feels like, I dunno, IT DOESN'T FIT. Perhaps Ezreal's exploits are summed up by one of the many memorable moments in Harry Potter:

"You make me sound a lot cooler than I was." "I've been trying to tell you guys for years that that stuff always sounds cooler than it is."

Perhaps that's what we have with Ezreal: a guy who's been caught up in some adventures, those adventures have been blown out of proportion, and now he finds himself feeling like he needs to act the part or otherwise live up to everything. So he puts on an ego that doesn't actually exist once you get to know him. He has a lot of power, and probably feels a weight of a lot of expectations. Perhaps the Ezreal we know is not who he really is, but what he thinks we want to see...

Pyrrasu1 votes

I'm mostly upset at the Skarner changes and the potential change to how Renekton went mad. I'm fine with moving Renekton and Nasus to this dimension. The "brought from a random other dimension" thing was kind of boring and overused anyway.

If they're going to rework the map and keep Skarner intact but move the Crystal Scar to Shurima, then that would be fine. I'm okay with change that brings more of the universe together. But they'd better not destroy Skarner's character. He even has lines referencing events they seem to have erased.

PhailRaptor1 votes

In the case of Nasus and Renekton? Their base lore stays the same. Still keepers, still wants to kill the other, still has a good reason for it. These are, I would assume, tidbits of a full run-down of the lore. What you need to remember is, just like with the VU on skins, this is the PUBLIC BETA ENVIRONMENT that they're on, which means it's UNFINISHED. NOT COMPLETE. ES NO FINITO!

So take a step back, Let Riot do their thing, do an honest comparison instead of "new is bad!" and then come to a well-informed conclusion AFTER IT MAKES IT TO THE LIVE SERVERS!

Small hole in this theory. It would be the first time since the PBE was opened that Lore changes specifically have come in pieces. Every VU, rewrite, and new champion has had their full, completely Lore go to the PBE all at the same time, and the only changes that occur to it after that are spelling and grammar issues. It's true, they could perhaps be changing how they do things and breaking that precedent. But there is no indication that they are.

There is, however, one point that I do intend to raise hell about regardless of whether there's "more" or not. Skarner. Riot had better have a damn good explanation for severing all his ties to the Crystal Scar and making him a generic dungeon guard. Half of his VO lines won't even make any sense if his Lore changes go through.

ChickenWrap1 votes

I agree on Skarner. This is the only thing I am skeptical about. I do get why they associate him though. Scorpion, Desert, 1 and 1 make 2.

I honestly think Riot's going to do something like say the area he's defending was his old home, where his family and friends lived in a colony. One day something terrible happened and killed the vast majority of his people whilst Skarner was outside defending it form invaders. Perhaps a forced cave-in? THen he went in to go and attempt to save his brethren, only to find that the collapse had been too much and they had died under his weight. Now perhaps he is looking to find the rest of his kind to give them a proper burial.

We don't know yet.

On an aside, the only lore I had a major issue with was Jayce's first iteration, but, well, damn Rito. Way to smack one of your other champions in the face Poor Viktor.

PhailRaptor2 votes

I honestly think Riot's going to do something like say the area he's defending was his old home, where his family and friends lived in a colony. One day something terrible happened and killed the vast majority of his people whilst Skarner was outside defending it form invaders. Perhaps a forced cave-in? THen he went in to go and attempt to save his brethren, only to find that the collapse had been too much and they had died under his weight. Now perhaps he is looking to find the rest of his kind to give them a proper burial.

Alistar 2.0

Like, literally, that's exactly what happened to Alistar.

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