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A quote from a post about Kalista being a BS champion.

Caharin·2/10/2015, 2:00:12 PM·33 votes·3,074 views

I feel like this quote is extremely accurate.

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  • Any champion that's played in LCS = OP, nerf plz.
  • Any champion that's not played in LCS = useless, reported for troll picking.

Why they were picked in LCS (Leblanc is almost always a strategic pick to shut down someone's laning phase) makes no difference. They were picked = open the tear gates.

Especially if it's a frustrating champion to play against. People feel shitty when they get wafflestomped in lane by Leblanc, even if they have a 56% chance to win against Leblanc. So they are looking for an excuse to claim that the champion is OP in order to feel justified about their whining. Champion was picked in LCS? Great, you don't have to admit that you failed to counter them or don't find their counters fun - it must be because they HAVE no counterplay.

And of course, winrate in solo queue is considered irrelevant when the champ you're complaining about has a low winrate, but very important when the champ has a high winrate. You'd think pick/winrate in LCS (where everyone gets paid for being really good at the game) is less important than shit tier winrate if you're in shit tier, but no, that's not how this community thinks.

I feel like this sums up the recent weeks. When Ahri had DFG removed and her damage amp removed, people were crying on how nerfed she was, that she would not be able to oneshot squishies now etc. etc. but once she saw play in LCS with patch 5.2 changes, all that was completely forgotten because she is still strong.

Same with Kalista. People had some complaint on her passive only being good vs. melee without dash, and that her ultimate is just lackluster. And that her E would take too long time to get some worthy damage. And then they saw her Rend deal 1.4k damage to drake, and all of a sudden she is the new OP. It didn't matter that any Kalista needs to stack a good 40 spears to deal that damage. Even with 2.5 attack speed that would be 40/2.5= 16 seconds of constant attacking before that limit.

I'm tired of people thinking the LCS picks are OP. Fizz AD top is not OP. Nida jungle is not OP. LB isn't even OP. Why are people so locked on the LCS scene and what's played there?

TL;DR - I hate seeing the LCS picks become the new meta because the picks are deemed OP byt he community. Also, the quote within this post is extremely accurately describing the situation.

25 Comments

Rinky Dinky2/10/2015, 8:30:17 PM20 votes

The boards were REALLY confused when Olaf was picked.

"Oh shit Olaf must be OP! But wait... Nah, HE HAS TO BE OP! Right guys?"

It only lasted for about an hour, but it solidified my opinion that people do not know how or what an OP or Broken champion is.

Taryn2/10/2015, 3:20:25 PM16 votes

To be fair, the players at LCS are going to play champions that offer them a path of least resistance to victory. This means they are going to choose champions that are innately difficult to play against, and easier to win with.

Sure, they're going to be trying to counter pick the opposing team. But they've also shown to stick to a relatively small pool of champions, the ones most commonly complained about and deemed 'OP'.

Do I think these champs are OP? Not exactly, however they clearly offer more to the table than everyone else to be chosen so consistently, and that means they aren't balanced.

Raptamei2/11/2015, 7:22:13 AM6 votes

My post: +2 Someone quoting my post: +23

How.

Anyway it remains the case that LCS power level has precisely nothing to do with power level in whatever solo queue division most of us are. Even if Kalista turns out to be OP in LCS but still sits on well below 50% winrate in division X there's no reason to ban her in division X.

Better ban Kat or whatever champ people in your division actually know how to play.

MrBuffington2/10/2015, 3:32:53 PM4 votes

While I agree with the general sentiment of the post, I think Ahri is a pretty bad example since she is legitimately overtuned. Kalista isn't really OP but I think she has a lot of issues in terms of how she interacts with the game (she counters and is countered insanely hard by certain types of champions, which isn't healthy imo). Nidalee jungle is also pretty binary imo; either she exerts insane early pressure and snowballs and becomes mediocre later, or she basically doesn't do anything; I don't think this is healthy either. AD (on-hit) Fizz seems okay; he has high, yet windowed DPS with his W, but he's still generally very squishy.

Flay and Pray2/10/2015, 7:01:51 PM4 votes

It sadly seems this is the case. An example that helps support this is, I LOVE to play Veigar support in ranked, and I do well with it at a plat Elo. Of course, when I pick it, my team rages and sometimes immediately dodges with threats to report me for "trolling". Then, when I tell them it was picked in Korean competitive they completely shift gears, especially if I show them a video of it being played in LCS. People are just scared of the "new" or "odd" and feel like they need proof of a pro doing it well for it to actually be good.

FyreNinja2/10/2015, 9:18:08 PM3 votes

I love you sir. This has been what I have noticed since S3 on the old GD. Haters gonna hate.

The Red Warden2/10/2015, 11:56:40 PM2 votes

I noticed it as well with a lot of people saying she was pretty bad, then she got LCS'd and now is "OP pls ban". Personally I hated her since release due to trying to play as Olaf against her (better kiting than Ashe) and being thrown as Veigar/ any squishy support into the enemy team. I don't hate her cause of LCS, I hate her because she is annoying for enemies and allies.

8bj2yMEanN2/10/2015, 11:50:53 PM1 votes

Nid jungle's not op? Then why have I heard multiple lcs players say that it is? You're silver, I don't think you know better than those in challenger/master.

Spacesuit Spiff2/10/2015, 9:52:07 PM1 votes

Can't agree with this more. Hell, the pros almost have their own meta, and trying to copy one bit of it for soloq is often worse than trying that madstone udyr trend that trick2g unleashed on us last season (outside of diamond at least, I'd be willing to believe that a diamond team might feed while he farmed).

I had a couple of Nunu players in my provisionals... I like Nunu, I played about 20 games with him after the jungle change to see if I could make antijungle work, and I finally concluded that he just can't do his job anymore. Most you can do is maybe steal objectives if you're good. Counterjungling got buried this season, and dedicated antijungling even more so. Still, people picking him because he was in LCS, and they contribute absolutely nothing to the game.

If one of the pro teams started running a comp where Zilean put bombs on Shaco and Twitch and had them run into the middle of the enemy team, soloq would immediately be flooded with those 3 champs, individually, even though they're part of a larger strategy that won't ever be executed in soloq, because those champs were in the LCS therefore OP.

I find it a bit funny that champ select is the only aspect of the LCS that most people are able to imitate, so they imitate the hell out of it and then wonder why all hell breaks loose when they get into game.

Keevalroy2/11/2015, 12:34:08 AM1 votes

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When Ahri had DFG removed and her damage amp removed, people were crying on how nerfed she was, that she would not be able to oneshot squishies now etc. etc. but once she saw play in LCS with patch 5.2 changes, all that was completely forgotten because she is still strong.

I haven't forgotten because it killed her role as an assassin, and while she is stronger, she feels horrible to play. I'm not talking about her strength as a mage and win rates, etc. - as a fan of the assassin playstyle, she feels so bland and mindless after the changes.

I no longer desire or have fun playing my favorite champion anymore just because she feels so awkward and wrong. And now she's getting nerfed because she's too strong. Gee, thanks.

Silents4292/11/2015, 5:40:45 AM1 votes

I don't even get why people like the LCS so much, It is the same damn champions nearly every game, and you are just watching people play a game, I guess it is like sports and I can reason with that, but this is an Esport, that is repetitive as shit, with announcers who aren't at all entertaining to listen too.

I tried I really did to enjoy these but good god, their isn't even a 3 month period or break when the esport stops, it just keeps friggin going.

I am the biggest geek ever, acne, glasses, crooked teeth, but I laugh my ass off everytime I see one of the LCS players posed to "appear" like some badass in front of a greenscreen.

-rant over.

Anyway the quote is accurate, should have mentioned how most people complaining about nerfs and buffs etc just go with what everyone else says whether it is true or not.

Kingsgrave2/10/2015, 8:19:19 PM1 votes

Ahri had a winrate of like 58% immediately after the changes, LCS had nothing to do with it

Delphinium2/11/2015, 5:33:32 PM1 votes

"...by the community..." Sorry, I had to :c

I agree, I was watching the LCS when Kalista was first picked, but I didn't expect there would be loads of whining, calling Kalista to be nefted next day. She's not OP, the summoner is just well played; just like any other champions.

GundayMonday2/11/2015, 5:48:11 PM1 votes

It's almost like the boards are used for reverse psychology on Riot to make certain champions gain/avoid nerfs.

Kobila20002/11/2015, 6:52:34 PM1 votes

I love it when people are like "Well Kalista was unpopular before she got buffed, but now she's buffed so everyone's playing her". Yes. Yes, that...kinda tends to happen when you get buffed. Did you just start playing this game?

You know, I always wonder about this logic... If people just whine about a champion when they "get rekt" by them or just because "they didn't counter them" how come it's always the same few champions? Out of over 120 champions, there's probably some 5 that are constantly complained about at the time. Is this some huge conspiracy where a ton of people all just decided to pick and hate the same champion for no reason? If people just complain about any champion because the champion "outplayed them", why is it only a tiny percentage of champions that are complained about? Why doesn't the community complain about Veigar, or Yorick or Brand or Ashe? Do they just never "outplay" anyone? What's that, you say? Because these current op champions keep getting picked over and over again? Well then you gotta ask yourself "Gee, why do these few champions keep getting picked over and over again, I wonder?". If your answer is "COINCIDENCE!" or "MAGIC!", congrats, you're a moron and you should not be trying to discuss this game because you clearly prioritize keeping your head in the sand.

Also people are focused on the LCS because it rips apart this moronic argument: "durr hurr champ X is just op because you don't know how to counter them".

Big Bang Bob2/13/2015, 12:34:25 AM1 votes

I don't watch the LCS. :P

While I do find Zed's towerdiving and escape annoying, I'm have no idea why Lee Sin is OP (someone told me it was in higher levels of play. I'm still gathering people for ranked so...)

I find Akali unfun to play against (when I do see one) because it feels that much more likely that she's going to get fed and ruin my game. If I don't play the right champ against her, you can't farm without dying once she his 6. (haven't seen much of her since he nerf though). I hate Heimerdinger because if I'm not a spammy mage, I can only get him if he backs or roams. Otherwise I can pretty much give all my farm to my tower, and kiss it goodbye if no one ganks.

I would say these are just people it's annoying to be counter picked by thought. Not sure how Riot can fix these guys, though I would like the game to be less "gg counterpick" if the jungler can't camp.