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Crehbohrahku·9/7/2015, 6:41:07 AM·3 votes·2,542 views

10/5/2015

Whelp I'm glad I didn't spend a dime more on this game. I got my wish lol, I was perma banned. I got put with the same guy 2 games in a row who went tahm kench top without tele and a bot lane that did nothing but feed. This is what I got perma-banned for lol. I was basically going back in forth with tahm, explaining why it was his fault we lost the game. i told him to run tele in game lobby and he didn't. End result was a feeding bot lane with no one to halt the snow ball. He just stayed top while gankplank ulted to support his allies.

Crehbohrahku: omfg Crehbohrahku: finally kill the bitch and hes right there Crehbohrahku: fckign dumb Crehbohrahku: guys come on lol Crehbohrahku: win lane lose game Crehbohrahku: godl 4 life Crehbohrahku: who is duoing with silver Crehbohrahku: man this is the kind of shit i hate Crehbohrahku: yeah Crehbohrahku: and ur getting ur ass kicked Crehbohrahku: so no Crehbohrahku: fcking knew it lol Crehbohrahku: look at this adc Crehbohrahku: fed all game Crehbohrahku: then jsut watched Crehbohrahku: u both are 1 and 7 Crehbohrahku: surr plz Crehbohrahku: omg Crehbohrahku: see tahm was top all game Crehbohrahku: didnt help any other lane Crehbohrahku: pro shit man Crehbohrahku: pro Crehbohrahku: nah Crehbohrahku: doesnt matter Crehbohrahku: didnt leave lane knowing bot was getting trashed on Crehbohrahku: surr Crehbohrahku: and stop ranking Crehbohrahku: ur b ad Crehbohrahku: your fault Crehbohrahku: for staying top Crehbohrahku: i warned you Crehbohrahku: to get tele Crehbohrahku: but nooe Crehbohrahku: you coudla helped bot lane Crehbohrahku: so omg Crehbohrahku: just surr Crehbohrahku: surr Crehbohrahku: idc Crehbohrahku: surr Crehbohrahku: this game is pointless Crehbohrahku: you'll never learn Crehbohrahku: i won lane Crehbohrahku: yeah so Crehbohrahku: i did Crehbohrahku: several times Crehbohrahku: in fact Crehbohrahku: jsut maybe Crehbohrahku: its on you Crehbohrahku: for staying top Crehbohrahku: with ignite Crehbohrahku: go back to season 1 bro Crehbohrahku: im better than you why would i Crehbohrahku: if i Crehbohrahku: lol Crehbohrahku: told him to run tele Crehbohrahku: face palm Crehbohrahku: he too good for it doe Crehbohrahku: he pro Crehbohrahku: you guys can end Crehbohrahku: they expect me to carry and i dont need to stress Crehbohrahku: i dont dont carry dead weight Crehbohrahku: sona ur silver Crehbohrahku: you dont even belong at this elo

Peace out guys. Now I got a reason to never come back to this game.

I"m happy to update this post with the following:

I've reached gold by ignoring toxic behaviors and taking breaks when frustrated. It wasn't perfect and I found myself being toxic a few times.

I had one game where masterchogath666 an overall toxic individual afked after being told by the whole team he was mid in champ select. Players like this are the most toxic in my opinion. Make this guy the poster child for the afking toxics. Still got to gold even with his little hissy fit.

So basically I was able to reach my goal by ignoring the stupid crap I see in league all the time and trying my best with champs I knew I was good with. Now no one can tell me I belong in silver lol.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=crehbohrahku\

get on my level

: P

SUSAN OP!

Okay so I know I'm an asshole sometimes when I play and I've been known to belittle and berate people. I've been banned so many times I lost count. The only reason I care now is because I'm actually considering just quitting this game by forcing the perma-ban. I'll admit I'm addicted and I really don't want to deal with the "Punish" attitude league of legends has now. I started way back toward the end of season 1 and the community has become so toxic everywhere I look, even on the forums. The bans do nothing, I'm proof of that honestly, not that I'm proud of it. I think riots stance to use fear has done nothing but cause in game behavior to become more toxic than the chat in game. When they can't act out one way, they simply do it another way. I have always been a team player regardless of what I've said in game, and the majority of the time I start out a nice guy, because in person I am a nice guy. I'm only a dick when I play this game for some reason, maybe I'm not cut out for the competitive scene, or maybe it's because the game is so impersonal that I don't care.

PS while I'm being honest, I'm probably one of the biggest trolls in the game. I do it for laughs not to hurt feelings.

I'm just gonna post what I've wrote to this behavioral specialist, what she wrote back, and I want serious responses to it: explain whether you think I'm right or not, and why that is.

(Hana)

"Hello there,

My name is Hana from the Player Behavior team and I'm here to provide you with some context on your account. Let me see what I can do to assist you in this situation.

Looking at your match, I believe that your action toward others was not warranted. Some of these behaviors include berating your teammates, complaining in chat, arguing with others, providing unconstructive comments, and calling them hurtful terms. While you may have a competitive nature while playing the game, if you have nothing good or constructive to say, it is better to keep it to yourself.

It's definitely ok in our book to make calls and take charge to accomplish team goals. However, there's a big difference in doing so and bluntly expressing what you think without considering how that can affect others and the team's morale. I understand that everyone has a bad day and we all have experienced games with players that we don't agree with but in those situations, it isn't right to berate or act negatively toward them.

Our goal with the 2-week restriction is to provide you with a break from the game to reflect on your attitude and will remain on the account until the expiration date. I would encourage you to pay more attention to what you type to others before sending it. Sending positive reinforcement also would greatly help your cause."

(Me)

"Hello hana, I believe your judgment of me is accurate, however, this is a video game not a criminal court room. You rely on people for profit, banning and punishing them for berating and behaving inappropriately in a video game does nothing to solve the issue. Two week bans and chat restricts are not gonna stop me from getting frustrated and angry at teammates who I think of as unqualified for that elo. The system is not perfect: there are boosters, afkers, and people who refuse to play as a team. People are more toxic playing the game than they are talking in it, I just happen to voice my unpleasant thoughts rather than acting it out in game. I'm always a team player regardless of what I say, that's why I had over 150 team player initiative points. I think it's ridiculous that riot is even trying to punish people for their behavior rather than working around it.

For instance get rid of perma bans and stop trying to use fear tactics. It's not working and it's never worked in the history books. Ban people for a day, whenever the toxic behavior begins and force them to cool off. Most people like me are just frustrated. You can't change a players behavior through fear it only seeks to aggravate them. They're random people on the internet that I could care less about and will most likely never meet. Maybe if you installed a voice chat system I would care about their feeling more, maybe then I could communicate more with my team. I'd be less likely to name call then because it's more personal.

People who constantly afk are the most toxic players in the game and it still happens constantly. Nothing you have done or ever do will ever stop toxic behavior, but you can calm it down. Like I said most of it is frustration. Think of the game this way: you're in a game for an hour with people you don't like, you're forced to play with them and punished if you leave, you're punished if you get upset and berate other players, you're punished if you give up, you're punished if you try and still lose because it was all a waste of time. Every player is being punished for playing this game. "

(Hana)

"Hello again,

Our goal of player behavior is to protect the player's experience by minimizing negative interactions in matches. No one likes to play with toxic individuals and we will continue to do our best to promote a more positive atmosphere in League. Thank you for sharing your feedback regarding this situation, feel free to let contact me if you have any other concerns that I can address."

(Me)

"I'm disappointed Hana,

Very typical response. Then again this is a waste of time like I knew it would be, you're just an employee with no legitimate standing in your company. Riot doesn't intend to listen to anyone else but overprivileged know-it-alls who spend their life in books rather than the real world. I doubt they'll do anything productive with this ban system. You just intend to scare me into submission, instead of actually fixing the game and reducing the frustration it causes to players. You believe I'm in the wrong because I'm an asshole, but what you fail to understand is that I am who I am, you're a god damn video game, you can change to fit my needs. I tell you I'm frustrated and you're response is "You're toxic, fix yourself?" What kind of pretentious arrogance is that?

I'm still gonna play and be the asshole I've always been, if riot doesn't want to perma-ban me then I suggest they listen to their players. I won't give riot a penny until they can show me they care enough to listen."

(Update 9-8-15)

(Hana)

"Hello again,

I understand that you don't want to change who you are and I respect that decision. However, we don't tolerate negativity and we will continue to apply the necessary initiatives to accounts that are creating a negative experience for others. I can give you advice on how to improve your interaction in matches to prevent this but this is a decision that's entirely up to you.

I have personally reviewed your account and found the behavior exhibited to be negative enough to apply the punishment mentioned. If you have no other concerns that I can address, I will be closing out this ticket shortly."

(Me)

"You misunderstand. I am willing to change. I was actually surprised I wasn't perma-banned either. I would like riot to stop focusing solely on punishing players and focus more on boosters and afkers. I believe the majority of toxicity, even my own, is derived from frustration. Claiming that it is the players responsibility does nothing to solve the issue, everyone knows or should know who's responsible for their behavior.That just putting blame where a solution should be put. I'm not saying I shouldn't be punished, I'm saying riot should look into issues the game has that causes these issues to begin with. Am I willing to change, sure. But you're asking more of me than what you're willing to do. A simple frustration like people afking on you could be solved by making the losing team with that afk lose less ranked points. A simple solution to a simple problem. Why am I being punished for that afker? I lose the same amount I would if that person was there. People refuse to surrender knowing this. It's unfair and pointless to spend 40 min defending a game where the enemy has one extra person. Fix the issue. That's all I'm asking, and I'd be more than willing to change my own behavior. Take the right steps to prove you can modify the game to lower easily fixed frustrations.

I've played this game since it came out. I'm not a beginner, I know all the changes this game went through, even the whole DDOS attacks. This has been an unresolved issue since the game came out.and that is unacceptable. I'm trying to be reasonable here. I'm not asking much for my cooperation, and it's an issue that bothers every player I've run into. The thing that frustrates me most about this game is the things I cannot control, the things you can control but choose not to. Riot believes punishing afkers will solve this issue and I know it wont. The beginning of my toxic behavior was provoked every time by a game where someone afked and the team, rather than take the loss, chose to not surrender. I get so fed up with things I think your company can do better but choose not to do. Then I look at all the times I've been punished, and it means nothing, because it just makes me care less and less about the game. I see you avoiding issues with the game and putting all the blame on me, that is what I see. No amount of responsibility will change that because this should be a give and take relationship."

(Update 9-9-15)

(Hana)

"Hello crehbohrahku,

We do have initiatives to deal with the negative influences that you mentioned. While it is not something we share with players publicly, we do send out ban waves and punishments to players who create a negative environment for others. As a player behavior specialist, I also work to answer those players' concerns so I hope that you'll put some faith in our effort and continue to report these kind of players instead of engaging with them negatively.

I also want to take a moment to touch on the point that you made regarding surrendering. I understand that you feel playing 4v5 is pointless but if your team wants to continue trying, you should respect that. Playing 4v5 is hard but you can still come back from it, especially if there's a chance that the other person might come back. Imagine if you were someone who is in their promos or simply just want to try really hard to win the game and someone just keep asking to surrender, you'd be really disheartened right? I would recommend to that you keep a more positive outlook on the match and don't give up so early. It's not nice to your team if you repeatedly initiate a surrender as the match is going.

I hope that I was able to explain our approach toward this situation. Feel free to let me know if you have any other concerns that I can answer."

(Me)

"The fact that you showed me you could listen was enough for me. That response actually made me pretty happy. Thank you Hana. I will try my best to improve my behavior."

(end note)

I think the issue I have with riot staff is resolved, and I think Hana handled this better than what anyone else could have. I'm happy that in the end she chose not to blame but rather said they will work on it and have been trying to work on it. She encouraged me to improve my behavior while acknowledging my complaint. i couldn't ask for more. From my point of view only punishments could be seen as the way they chose to deal with these issues. Maybe somewhere down the road they will eventually get to my issues that I know many other people have with the game.

I want everyone to read this. Especially people who posted. Look below.

To everyone who has posted so far. I just want to leave you with a bit of a comparison to explain my point of view. You can call it comparing apples to oranges or whatever, but the fact remains that it's a real life issue that reflects exactly what riot is doing.

Okay so picture this. You're 16 and in a neighborhood filled with gangs and violence. Your friends do it and so do you. Everyone around you is poor and everyone is scraping for ends meat. You want to make the right decisions, you don't want to see your friends get shot, you don't want to go to jail, but what else is there for you? You look to walmart, mcdonalds, and every other place offering jobs to someone like you, someone without a college education. They're offering you 8 dollars an hour to flip burgers and stock. The gang offers you 500 dollars a week, they protect you, and you feel like you're apart of something special. They don't treat you like you're just another employee, and give you shit pay.

You get older. You're 18 now and you can be tried as an adult. They send you away and lock up the key. You go to jail for 3 years. You get out and you're ready to get your life on track. You've seen the error of your ways, and you start looking for a job. There's just one problem though, no one will hire you. They talk behind your back and call you a criminal, they say "He'll never change, what's the point? He thinks the world's his playground." Your mom kicked you out because she was tired of dealing with the choices you made, and you don't blame her for that, but now you're life's a mess and you got no where to go. Oh but wait, you meet an old friend while your on the streets since the homeless shelters are full, he was part of the gang you left to get your life back on track. He tells you the gang will welcome you back with open arms, and they're more than willing to provide you a place to live. So you go back to the gang, you know it's a bad idea, but what else is there for you?

A year goes by and you get put in jail again. This time you're really gonna set your life straight, this time it will be different. So you get out and you say no excuses, I'm gonna find a job even if it kills me. Mcdonalds has become more lenient with their hiring and you finally land that job you wanted the first time. They were willing to give you a shot and you were determined to prove you could do it. You stay at a friends house who you know isn't involved with gangs until you are able to get your own place. You do just that and manage to find yourself a studio apartment cheap.

After a couple years of working for mcdonalds you end up meeting a girl you really like and you hit it off. You didn't plan what happened next, you wore protection but it still happened. She got pregnant and had to move in with you, now you have to provide for this woman and the baby that's coming. But wait, you make 9 dollars an hour now, how the hell are you gonna provide for both of them. She's pregnant and cant get a job right now, but even then who'd take care of the baby? The thoughts drive you mad until one day you run into that gang member you once knew. NO, you told yourself, it's just going to make the situation worse, you're just going to get put in jail again, and nothing will get better. This guy's slick though, he tells you the gang isn't looking for someone to do anything illegal and you fall for it in your desperation. You need that money. So you end up doing the job and it pays off for about a year, after all you were just delivering packages to random locations. But then the feds get involved and it turns out you were delivering drugs, go figure, you knew and did it anyway, you only have yourself you blame. You go back to jail, but this was your third offense, in your state they are very intolerant of crime. They trump up the charges and punish you to the fullest extent of the law and you go to jail for 10 years. 10 YEARS, you're life has been nothing but a clusterfck of bad choices and you're the one who caused it. You think to yourself, man I just wanted money to provide for my family and myself.

Okay so after reading that story we all know the guy made bad choices right? Yeah he did, even he knew it. But what was the real issue that caused him to make those bad choices?

It was money, comfort, a sense of belonging, etc.

Could those issues have been fixed to help him onto the right path?

Yeah they could have, but no one wanted to do so. At first no one would give him a chance, they just saw him as a nuisance. Companies weren't willing to move the minimum wage. No one was willing to do anything to help this individual and that's just sad.

Did punishing him really do anything to solve the issue he was burdening society with?

No, because the underlying cause of that behavior was not addressed. His gang was providing the things he needed most, so why would he prefer mcdonalds over his gang?

How does this story compare to league?

league of legends knows that certain frustrations have existed since the game has become popular. They have done exactly what our judicial system does and focused solely on punishing. Some areas of our country have become better at fixing this issue, but the point is that, like league of legends punishing players will do nothing to fix the overall issue. The actions of league employees has basically been this "Well you are toxic. Fix yourself so the community gets better. We understand you are frustrated but this is your problem. We are not willing to fix the issues you're frustrated with. Either get better or get punished for not getting better."

Wouldn't it be reasonable to say, "hey I know you're frustrated and I will look into the game and try and find a solution. Instead of, "Nothing can be done about the game. Fix yourself or be punished." It is so unreasonable to ask Riot to lower frustration levels? IS IT REALLY SO UNREASONABLE!?

102 Comments

powerbats9/8/2015, 12:13:51 AM3 votes

Bottom line Riot owes you nothing in regards to making you behave at all, that boils down to your own personal responsibility. Their a business and your actions drive away far more customers than you can pay to keep up with since those people that leave and never come back. You however keep on playing and affecting more players exponentially over time.

When you go into a private business or use a service or play any game you've chosen to abide by their rules as a condition for the right to do so. you don't get to say they have to change to fit your behavioral needs since it doesn't work that way nor has it ever. You don't like being punished for being a jerk, but you enjoy being a jerk so you either stop being a jerk or you get punished up to and including being removed for being a jerk.

You have to decide is your enjoyment for being a jerk worth getting punished and losing your account for being a jerk since riot isn't going to cater to the less than 5% of the community that's going to be an occasional jerk other than trying to reform them. Riot also isn't going to cater to the less than 1% or so like you that enjoys being a jerk other than to try and offer you chances to reform as well and getting rid of you.

If you break the law you have to pay the consequences for it, like running stop signs because you get laughs out if it. Well then you're going to get harsher penalties until they revoke your license, take your car and throw you in jail. Society isn't go to change for you just so you can continue to be a jerk. You want to be a jerk then be prepared to suffer for it.

Riot isn't here to hold your hand and assume responsibility for your actions, that's your responsibility and no one elses.

**Ancient Romans understood the concept of personal responsibility.

After a Roman arch was completed, the engineer who built it had to stand underneath it when the scaffolding was removed.

While you might not get crushed by a giant arch if you make mistakes, you still have personal responsibility for your actions.

What is personal responsibility?

It is taking conscious control of your responses to the events and circumstances in your life.

You are responsible for yourself, whether you like it or not. What you do with your life and what you have done already is up to you.

“But Mike! Things happen to me that I have no control over all the time!”

Sure. And while you may not be able to control everything that happens to you, you are nevertheless responsible for how you think, act, and feel in response to those things.

Responsibility cannot be split. If you “give” someone else any of the responsibility, you take it off yourself and can use it as an excuse to slack off when the going gets rough. Do you think the engineers in ancient Rome shared responsibility for their creations?**

Now as far as your poll goes don't forget it's still a holiday weekend and you yourself stated earlier that statistics being meaningless so your poll with very few votes is completely worthless. you're correct in the fact that Riot as a business has to adapt to the majority of it's player base in order to survive which they're doing. The majority of the playerbase doesn't like dealing with jerks so Riot is doing what it can to please that group. you just happen to be part of the super small minority that doesn't like that. So you say they have to do what's best for the majority on the one hand but say they need to cater to the super small minority on the other.

Instead of stating there's better ways to do it then changing the parameters of the conversation and avoiding it post those better ways of doing it. Instead of saying well other **smaller ** companies do a better job show how they do it and don't use an apples to oranges comparison. You want to be taken seriously then post those ideas for how they should do it better since stating something as a fact without providing proof of said fact doesn't work. You're not the 1st person to post stuff like this nor will you be the last and so far everyone has posted the same ideas and been disproven/debunked with facts.

You state you're right because your common sense makes you right but said you know enough psychology to know what your talking about. That's a logical fallacy since anyone that's done psychology knows that common sense is a fallacy and is merely another form of confirmation bias when you used to buttress one's claims like you're doing. As in any field you have to have facts not beliefs to back up your claims as someone with your psychology background would know.

So post what you feel Riot needs to do so you can have your claims either verified or disproven since who knows you might actually have some ideas that haven't ever been discussed before. As Lyte once told me when I had an idea you have to prove it'll be better than what's currently there and you need to show it will make enough of a difference to justify the cost of doing so and what will the negative aspects be and how would you overcome them.

Jubbinaut9/7/2015, 6:58:30 PM2 votes

I'm very curious about what you consider "the issue" to be. Specifically, you said this to Support: "You rely on people for profit, banning and punishing them for berating and behaving inappropriately in a video game does nothing to solve the issue."

Yet you never really explain what you mean by "the issue," and context doesn't seem to help much, either.

You also seem convinced that there's some kind of focus on "fear tactics," which - when you look at the overall intent and goals of the PB systems - isn't really evident.

Are there some fear tactics applied in the system? Absolutely. Because for some people, they work. For others, they don't - so there are also other tactics in play. Encouragement of positive behavior (rewarded with everything from IP boosts to skins), for example.

DeynaTaggerung9/8/2015, 12:22:43 AM2 votes

OOOOK, let me start out by saying I voted "you had some good points" with a big "BUT you're still not right".

Yes so far the banning system has not "solved" the problem and is causing more issues like sending toxic and trolly players back to leveling a smurf which completely ruins the new player experience. I'm not sure if I would call them "fear" tactics and more of amputation tactics where Riot is trying to make your playing experience really frustrating so you leave their game (if you keep getting banned).

You're also right that many people will just move to alternate means of trolling people without being verbally toxic. But let me tell you I'd take a person who trolls and goes 0/32 any day over someone who is saying mean things that put a damper on my day. In the end what we're doing is just a game and win or lose it's all an experience. It's really not worth getting frustrated over.

As for your "I start out fine and it's the other people who make me lose it" well I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from. I've noticed that when I'm being my positive self and encouraging people I get a lot less flamers and ragers. Oftentimes there's people like you who are normally pretty positive but as soon as they feel someone is coming on to them(or feel the game isn't going well) will react poorly. I'm not kidding, I come across a lot less "mean" people than most people I know simply because I'm enacting the change i want to make.

I 100% agree with Riot's philosophy of "If you have nothing good to say don't say anything at all". It's ok if you just stop typing to your team when things are getting frustrating to you. Communicate with pings and focus on how you playing the game. If you need to, tell them to talk to you through pings and mute them all. Remember 50% of the people playing league right now will lose, it's just a fact of the game.

I question what you mean by "You just intend to scare me into submission, instead of actually fixing the game and reducing the frustration it causes to players." What is Riot supposed to fix? Should they make it so your teammates are always good and you always win? Games are going to go poorly, there's no foolproof way to make every game perfectly even. Because everyone has an A game, a B game, and a C game. They most often play in their B game but sometimes are A or C. This means even with 10 people of perfectly even skill odds are 2 people are having a poor day and lose their lane. This might be exacerbated by their lane opponent being on their A game. One side is going to win, and possibly pretty badly. Focus on having fun doing what you can do and pulling the play you can not lamenting the problems your team has dumped on you.

As for your empathy to other people in the game. You don't have to think of it as being around your friends or anything, think of it more like being at work or a public environment. Just be polite, you don't have to think highly of them to extend a common courtesy. I really don't want voice chat because I don't want to talk to everyone I play with and it's not necessary for basic communication.

Lastly you purposefully troll to ruin other people's games. You're going around triggering other people in the same way you hate being triggered -.- instead of accepting that "that's just the way online community is" why not try to avoid it and tell people it's not ok when they do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAabW7JfTQ

Oh and I'm open to talking about what I've said and what you disagree with/don't understand, but please don't take what I said as trying to demean you and respond hostilely.

Reaper Soraka9/8/2015, 3:20:38 AM2 votes

After her response, you attacked her standing at the company she works at.

Are you aware that you have a serious problem that goes beyond league?

powerbats9/8/2015, 1:00:00 AM1 votes

Edited:

But why should they change the game just so you can keep getting your laughs by being a jerk as you put it? You're not doing it because the game causes you to. you even stated you enjoy trolling people to get a response out of them. So changing the game so you can continue to be a jerk doesn't seem to make sense.

Again you state you understand you're an asshole but refuse to change because you blame the game and your attitude to it. That's like me saying I can break any law when i want because of my feeling towards the laws and the individual ones I don't like. You say you get personal responsibility yet refuse to take responsibility for your actions and say Riot has to change to suit you.

What would you change to make the game more enjoyable to you so that your attitude would change?

Riot won't ever modify how they operate just so you and a small minority of others can act how they want, that's standard operating procedure and business norms as most of society understands it. You please the majority of your customers or you go out of business. Now the game isn't easier to change since then it affects 63 million or so players just to please 3 million or so players. You want them to spend millions to tens of millions of dollars to change the game just to suit you yet in doing so they'll lose hundreds of millions of dollars from everyone else while gaining a few hundred to a few thousand from you.

You still haven't shown anything that proves beyond your own personal biases why Riot should change or what they should do to improve the game that you say is so easy. So post what you've got and show us we're wrong because if you've got such strong beliefs in your facts show them so you can prove it to us and Riot.

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I'll read this later I guess. I have to go. You should really get off your high horse though. You look at this problem like a riot employee would and I suspect either you're an avid follower or an employee.

This last part seems like you don't want to backup your claims and instead have to resort to Ad Hominem and Red Herrings instead. If that's not what you intended then clarify and back up your claims with facts if you would please.

Oh and I'm a support of Riot in general but I've flamed them many times in the past as have others on these boards for things I or we've disagreed with them in regards to Tribunal and communications of PB things. Also i don't have a horse nor any place to keep one. :P

Crehbohrahku10/29/2015, 6:08:59 AM1 votes

It has a lot of bugs... Forgot to post that. I really wish there was another style of game like this except done better : ( I guess I'll come back if I find anything entertaining enough for those of you banned for stupid reasons.

Gl guys, and remember, someone's bound to kick riot off their pedestal, they're already starting to fck up. I'm hoping something comes along soon so I can kick this urge to come back. Haven't played a game since but I've been on the look out. I would play dota but I feel it's too complicated and I dread having to learning their whole system. Took me a year to learn riot's lol.

Crehbohrahku9/9/2015, 6:54:08 PM1 votes

"The biggest problem with this isn't its abuse-case - although that's problematic on its own (remember what I said earlier about new systems creating even more problems than they solve?). It's the artificial inflation that would result.

If LP loss is mitigated for AFKs, players with a 50/50 win/loss ratio (or potentially less!) will tend to gain LP over time - because they're losing less for matches they lose with afks, but gaining the same for matches they win against afks. This will tend to artificially shunt players up the ladder unfairly - crowding the top of it more than deserved.

The alternative solution to that - applying consequent LP gain reductions for matches won against an afk player - creates an entirely different situation, where players are actively penalized for things entirely beyond their control. That's not an acceptable situation."

Riot has stated if they designed champions based on abuse nothing would get did done properly. Such was the argument with Bard. Any solution will cause problems, so that's not a valid argument.

Stunt the latter unfairly? That's absurd, now you'e just talking nonsense. You act as if afkers should be allowed in game to balance out the ladders. Am I really reading this right?

Uuhh hello, afkers are already being punished for leaving... Now you're just contradicting yourself. You say players should be held for their own responsibilites and now you're saying "well they can't help it. It's unfair." Aren't you taking my stance now.

This is why I am slowly moving away from this debate with you. I make "sense" and you don't. I don't mean to be rude but I feel as if I should be honest here. Most people are irrational and I understand this well.We are emotional creatures and we act on emotions constantly, even I have admited to doing so, but I am also a very logically and sane person who sees the world for what it is. Most people reflect their world view onto others, which is what you and I both do. That is the only reason we are disagreeing with how to solve this solution. I think at this point you just dislike me and are finding every excuse in the book to not see any legitimacy in what I'm saying.

TendajiX9/28/2015, 4:42:10 AM1 votes

I understand you man. I am one of the most positive people you could meet in game, carrying with fucking kindness XD I have cheered up my team with incredible amounts of positivity and raised their morale enough to stop trying to surrender and win 4v5's! But the thing is, I STILL RAGE. Thats right, this game pisses me the hell off. Now I don't rage at people often (i've been playing for 3 years and raged like 5 times a people) or much at all just things like "FUCKING TAHM" because this game is FRUSTRATING. Im sure i've been reported for saying mean things on the rarest of occasions like any other person but I want to bring your attention to a recent 3v3. So recently i played some TT and got into champ select then we had a bot on our team (karma). I selected bard because i wanted to test him ap but in a lower pressure environment (because everyone is chill in 3's right?) and yi pops off on me. "wow fucking bard gg" "im feeding moron" "uninstall" . Yi just starts feeding once we load in and i am doing great, keeping the freaking karma bot somewhat alive and fighting a darius and cho'gath by myself with yi feeding. " See yi, i'm doing just fine" "stfu bard uninstall wasting my time one kill doesn't mean anything" -_- sigh. he keeps feeding and eventually i start complaining as i am a bit fed up with this yi who fed the darius enough to oneshot me when i was 2v1'ing him to start. "Please report yi for intentional feeding and karma for afk or w/e you report bots for, he didn't have to waste my time if he was so against playing with me and a bot, he could have dodged" we get in a big argument keep in mind i never insulted him just toying with him like saying "really* not relay i'm not a race". So that was a disaster. 3 people got reported that match: me, yi, and karma ( i assume yi reported me). Now you could say it was all our faults but i'm about to defend this ass wipe yi and myself lol. Yi was frustrated from play 3 lost games of 3's where he had bots for teammates and had to fight real humans before our match. That pent up rage combined with yet another bot made yi snap on me, the innocent. should he have snapped on me? hell no. Should i have complained about and toyed with yi? Certainly not, but what caused all of this? Finally the point of my long ass story XD It was the game! bots on TT have been a serious issue forever that riot still hasn't fixed! I love 3's so much but i rarely play them because of the plague of bots. Yi played 3 games where his experience was ruined before coming to another somewhat ruined game, ruined by the same frustrating issue that has gone unfixed still! Now i have this yi who is ruining my game because karma is a bot and he is frustrated from just picking a que that isn't summoner's rift. Now i'm frustrated. You see the chain of effect? I'm not sure if yi was punished ( I wasn't), but me and yi never would have become enemies on the same team if there weren't such serious underlying issues with the game.

Crehbohrahku10/5/2015, 8:05:59 AM1 votes

Whelp I'm glad I didn't spend a dime more on this game. I got my wish lol, I was perma banned. I got put with the same guy 2 games in a row who went tahm kench top without tele and a bot lane that did nothing but feed. This is what I got perma-banned for lol. I was basically going back in forth with tahm, explaining why it was his fault we lost the game. i told him to run tele in game lobby and he didn't. I tried ganking bot lane as tf when i had ult but it wasnt enough. End result was a feeding bot lane with no one to halt the snow ball. Tahm just stayed top while gankplank ulted to support his allies.

Crehbohrahku: omfg Crehbohrahku: finally kill the bitch and hes right there Crehbohrahku: fckign dumb Crehbohrahku: guys come on lol Crehbohrahku: win lane lose game Crehbohrahku: godl 4 life Crehbohrahku: who is duoing with silver Crehbohrahku: man this is the kind of shit i hate Crehbohrahku: yeah Crehbohrahku: and ur getting ur ass kicked Crehbohrahku: so no Crehbohrahku: fcking knew it lol Crehbohrahku: look at this adc Crehbohrahku: fed all game Crehbohrahku: then jsut watched Crehbohrahku: u both are 1 and 7 Crehbohrahku: surr plz Crehbohrahku: omg Crehbohrahku: see tahm was top all game Crehbohrahku: didnt help any other lane Crehbohrahku: pro shit man Crehbohrahku: pro Crehbohrahku: nah Crehbohrahku: doesnt matter Crehbohrahku: didnt leave lane knowing bot was getting trashed on Crehbohrahku: surr Crehbohrahku: and stop ranking Crehbohrahku: ur b ad Crehbohrahku: your fault Crehbohrahku: for staying top Crehbohrahku: i warned you Crehbohrahku: to get tele Crehbohrahku: but nooe Crehbohrahku: you coudla helped bot lane Crehbohrahku: so omg Crehbohrahku: just surr Crehbohrahku: surr Crehbohrahku: idc Crehbohrahku: surr Crehbohrahku: this game is pointless Crehbohrahku: you'll never learn Crehbohrahku: i won lane Crehbohrahku: yeah so Crehbohrahku: i did Crehbohrahku: several times Crehbohrahku: in fact Crehbohrahku: jsut maybe Crehbohrahku: its on you Crehbohrahku: for staying top Crehbohrahku: with ignite Crehbohrahku: go back to season 1 bro Crehbohrahku: im better than you why would i Crehbohrahku: if i Crehbohrahku: lol Crehbohrahku: told him to run tele Crehbohrahku: face palm Crehbohrahku: he too good for it doe Crehbohrahku: he pro Crehbohrahku: you guys can end Crehbohrahku: they expect me to carry and i dont need to stress Crehbohrahku: i dont dont carry dead weight Crehbohrahku: sona ur silver Crehbohrahku: you dont even belong at this elo

Peace out guys. Now I got a reason to never come back to this game.

powerbats9/8/2015, 12:17:45 AM1 votes

Oh and I forgot to add this when you posted the updates about votes I hadn't yet voted and I voted yes and I'd never have selected deranged and toxic. You sort of gave a closed option there since realistically if i could choose parts I'd have chosen yes, and you were toxic.

Crehbohrahku10/6/2015, 3:11:28 AM1 votes

GUYS I FOUND A DREAM PVP GAME TO SUBSTITUTE LEAGUE. NOSGOTH <look this up. Holy crapoli, I'm in fanboy scream mode. It's on steam and it's free to play.

Downloading as we speak. I'll let you guys know how it plays.

...and yes I'm continuing to post to spite riot. Sue me.