With the exception of the ban saltiness, Dunkey's video brings up good talking points

injourn·9/12/2015, 11:37:54 PM·38 votes·2,763 views
  • The fight against toxicity How the problem is handled vs what is being done
  • League of legends being fun vs being a chore
  • The competitive side of league (solo queue not LCS)
  • The basic game mechanics and how they're problematic
  • The horrible ranked system.
  • Sacrificing player skill for comeback potential
  • And is League losing it's magic

27 Comments

Tilomentry9/13/2015, 2:49:11 AM12 votes

While I didn't watch the whole video of his (only about half), from what I did see, i feel like most of it was simply Dunkey's opinion and he hasn't actually enjoyed playing the game for a long time. It sounded more like he only played because it was his job and League happened to be one of his more popular series. The ban just happened to be a tipping point and a convinient opportunity for him to discontinue his League videos.

League isn't perfect but far from being as bad as people like to say it is

DeynaTaggerung9/13/2015, 4:26:18 AM8 votes

I kind of had that feeling of "is League losing it's magic", things were becoming more chorelike for me.

Funnily enough I found my solution by trying Dota. Starting as a new player in a Moba reminded me of beginning to play League and the reasons I loved it. After coming back to the game I had that honeymoon feeling again and League was magic again. So no, it's not anything that has intrinsically changed about the game, it's just the way you approach it.

blueberrypancake9/13/2015, 1:44:34 AM7 votes

I remember Backdoor day the day where there were 3 backdoors in 1 day of LCS (I believe it was 8/23/14). I remember the Kikis Tf jungle being picked against TSM. I remember when mid Soraka was OP. I remember when mid was so diverse. There aren't as interesting stories in League anymore, there aren't those real plays as there was before where you were like WTF just happened, but then riot balanced their game around it and now its too telegraphed. You could probably take a supercomputer and after 1000 years of calculations you could probably solve this game and it wouldn't be that fun.

Kikirino9/13/2015, 12:44:32 AM6 votes

This is true. While I believe he deserved the ban for what he said a lot of the points he brought up are worth discussing. I wonder if the forums can handle the discussion though.

Joe Dredd9/13/2015, 1:10:02 PM3 votes
  • The fight against toxicity How the problem is handled vs what is being done

You don't get banned after one instance of intent feeding. No one does. You do get banned after hundreds of instances of being very toxic in chat even after multiple chat bans. The fight against toxicity is going perfectly. To all those saying "but im only toxic bcuz this happenz hur durr", Grow up you fucking manchild.

  • League of legends being fun vs being a chore

Then don't play. Simple as that.

  • The competitive side of league (solo queue not LCS)

Solo queue is great imo, and Dunkey's video was wrong. There aren't "3 decent players and 7 retards per game" Everyone is their rank for a reason. Each person in each game is playing at that skill level (except for some obvious cases).

  • The basic game mechanics and how they're problematic

How so?

  • The horrible ranked system.

Only bads complain about the ranking system.

  • Sacrificing player skill for comeback potential

If you were actually skilled they wouldn't have comeback potential.

  • And is League losing it's magic

Then don't play. Simple as that.

TheBostonTap9/13/2015, 8:51:06 AM2 votes

I understand Dunkey's points, because its largely been the same for me. Whenever me and my friends play, we always end up at each others throats. Its usually 2-3 games together before we just give up and go play something else. I've played League since it came out of Beta and I can honestly say that i haven't had fun playing it in a very long time. It just feels like all the character and fun has been sucked out of the game over its 6 year lifespan. From fun characters being gutted and redone in with serious intentions and cold undertones and the writing team consistently falling short (Seriously, who came up with the idea of actually disabling Gangplank because "he was dead for realsies guyz". Because honestly, that is the dumbest way I've ever seen a story told in a M.O.B.A. I called Valve out when they took out Skeleton King and claimed he was "dead" and I'll call Riot out on it too. ) i just see now connection with the game and you can only play so many games of Summoner's Rift before the repetitive nature sets in. Riot has been trying to counter this with their mission to make every game unique through picks, but the meta stagnates that and makes it so only a handful of the 140 something champs actually get picked.

Long story short. League got very repetitive and ruined a good number of friendships for me. Its like Heroin.

ForgottenLuck9/13/2015, 12:58:39 AM2 votes

I don't believe League is losing its magic since that in its self is subjective I started playing late season 4 and though I did enjoy the game a bit more when I started since everything seemed new to me I still have fun with it, though I am someone who only play's normal's since I don't really find the concept of rank where it takes the game into a more competitive state and winning feel's more of an obligation than just playing to enjoy the game and if you lose you can just move on, and I also feel like anyone that plays something for a time eventually get tired of it, nothing really new there though humans have a nomadic form of thought by instinct

Dogeys9/14/2015, 7:04:09 AM1 votes

I feel like it has. I think the balancing that Riot has done in order to make champions geared towards one role has kinda ruined it a bit. All these champions that were broken or annoying are now being fixed and edited in a way that they fill a particular role, eliminating some of the diversity of champion picks that can be used with some kind of effectiveness in a given role like AP Mid or Bruiser Top or something like that.

Also, Dunkey was right about the ranking system being broken. Why exactly was I put in Bronze 3 after winning 5 of my 10 provisionals when I was S5 Silver? There are fresh level 30s getting into Silver 4 by winning 4 out of their 10 provisionals. Then, when they get there, they are just useless, completely useless. These are the people that I am sometimes left to somehow carry, but in reality I am carrying nothing. A 0/8/7 Yi is useless. It's a 4v5.

Not to mention the fact that there is no solution for people dcing from games. I feel like there should be some kind of policy regarding DC's. Yes, I do understand that it is near impossible to find a good fix for DC's, but I think there should be a rule of 1 Loss Prevented per month or something for a DC. A DCer can literally erase all of what you have been doing for the last 3 hours. It's crazy. I feel like players as individuals have wayyyyy too much power over whether or not a team will win. If someone won't group, someone DC's by choice, they MIGHT get banned. Meanwhile the other 4 players on their team lose LP, indicating that they are not ready to move up to the next Divsion/League when that is most likely not the case when they were winning the game.

This game really isn't enjoyable a lot of the time because of the players, not necessarily the game itself. I feel like Riot really fucked up with the recent buffs they applied to tanks. Skarner is broken, Darius is OP as hell, Garen is a very common ban, Fiora is OP, essentially, the meta is shifting WAYYYY too much because of these recent buffs for champions that are outside the meta to perhaps find a place.

Last of all, I agree that Dunkey has really promoted League of Legends and that he is not getting the credit that he deserves for his work. I don't really ever get flamed because I mute everybody as soon as I come into a game, (people are ridiculous at Silver Elo, one time I got flamed for 40 minutes by this Leona, I legit didn't mute her just to laugh at what she was saying as I went on a killing spree) but if people like Dunkey are who this game needs banned, then so be it. It's ridiculous though that someone can be banned for what they say. I feel like people should only be banned for what they do in a game, but really the only way Riot can get any sense of whether or not someone is trolling or flaming and deliberately not grouping with their teammates is by looking at the chat. Flaming is bannable because of the actions it implies, not because of the actual text that's being written. I mean, you can just mute people, it's pretty simple lol. I don't even read the chat during games. In my eyes, I haven't gotten flamed for a good 6 months. But yeah, that's my opinion on it.

AND YES, Dunkey should have been banned. He shouldn't get special treatment because it requires a history of flaming to be banned, not just one game where he flamed out a troller.

MalaceX9/13/2015, 9:32:10 AM1 votes

Heroes of the Storm

Rueian9/13/2015, 9:35:23 AM1 votes

League lost its magic when the focus of the game became report threats and calling each other toxic rather than trying to actually play the game.

Yordle Xayah9/13/2015, 10:32:58 AM1 votes

My dream is Annie to be Veigar'd

http://i.imgur.com/KF0gOos.gif

AntiSkillshot9/13/2015, 7:22:31 PM1 votes

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  • The fight against toxicity How the problem is handled vs what is being done
  • League of legends being fun vs being a chore
  • The competitive side of league (solo queue not LCS)
  • The basic game mechanics and how they're problematic
  • The horrible ranked system.
  • Sacrificing player skill for comeback potential
  • And is League losing it's magic

For me the biggest issues talked about in the video is the issue of Toxicity (Through chat vs through gameplay actions and that one is being the focused while the other isn't), that the eSports and solo queue scenes are two completely different monsters but the players act like they're not, and that the ranking system is completely terrible. Like, how did a feeding Malphite even get into platinum?