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Not sure whether to be discouraged, curious, or what..

83241804DEL1·2/8/2017, 10:01:02 AM·2 votes·1,383 views

Alright so, where do I begin..

Hi, I'm a loser noob. Hate me if you want lol Nah but in all seriousness, hi, hello, call me Snow if you want. I'm newish. I can't actually remember when I made this account, but it's been a few weeks. I haven't been keeping track. I got into this amazing game due to, well the obvious reputation + art + I love fantasy/RPG games, and because my fiance plays it with his friends often and they always have a fun time. I've spectated a few of his games and it always is so exciting, even if his team ends up losing.

Anyways, I did my fair share of research on this game and the basics for playing and doing mostly the right stuff. I've had plenty of practice and fair well with Nasus and the new Warwick. I have a few other champs I plan on buying once I raise the IP for them. I'm awesome at Intro bots Beginner starts slow and iffy but once I level a bit, it gets good. Intermediate is the bane of my existence - I get slaughtered; the fight is actually one-sided, completely lol

So here is my dilemma: I've seen a few posts, quite a few, where people say to never use AI to practice, because bots do relatively the same pattern of stuff most of the time. Obviously I struggle with Intermediates, but I keep getting mixed messages; some say PVP is too harsh for a newbie to use for practice, and some say to get into PVP as soon as possible because it's real people with real things to learn from. Like I mentioned before, I've watched my fiance play; he does PVP with his friends. Whether I spectate from my own computer, or I kinda stalk over his shoulder for a couple minutes, I enjoy watching him play. The games get so intense sometimes but it always seems to happen in a really fun way. He and his friends handle things so well, even if they get killed. And even if they lose, they're usually still happy because they had played so well. I get so pumped and excited, wanting to play PVP for myself, but once I get into my client, I chicken out and either close the game or go for a Beginner bot match, with a bit of guilt. Once, he was super excited about a particular match he had, dragged me into his office and pulled up the game replay to show me some parts of it he really enjoyed. I was happy for him, and he was happy. He was proud of himself, as he should be, but I stayed mostly silent. He asked if something was wrong, and I brushed it off as just me not having anything to say. In truth, I was jealous.

So what do I do? Continue playing bot games until I have the balls to go after Intermediate, and try to keep going til I beat them easily? Suck it up, play PVP for the first time, risking embarrassment and hate from experienced players?

Sorry for such a long, dumb post..but I would hope there's someone out there who totally understands.

EDIT: Welp, I've finally hit level 10. I'm scared of people bashing me and reporting me for making mistakes, which I am bound to do for sure. I'm going to have to suck it up and do PVP for the first time ever. I'm scared but it needs to be done.

Wish me luck ;~;

EDIT 2: Well... I told my team ahead of time how scared I was, and that I was new to the game. Originally they tried to direct me, but I was doing so poorly that the Teemo in our group shit-talked me most of the time. He shit-talked the whole team really. I didn't know what to do or where to go..I've done plenty of researching on the game, but when it came down to actually applying the info right then and there, it was useless. I tried to apologize for my skills and our loss, and explain to the enemy team that I was new. I got laughed at, and that was that.

It wasn't even the trash talking that upset me. I'm upset at the fact I froze up and didn't know how to handle fighting real people. I adore this game, and I WANT to be good at it. I want to have something to be proud of, but god damn. Sure, it's just a game. I play games for fun, especially to deal with life's stresses, but shit man, to feel bad about something I love so much sucks.

26 Comments

2Rods2/9/2017, 3:56:24 PM2 votes

Practicing vs bots isnt ideal...learning vs bots however is just fine. You gotta start somewhere. I am on my phone and can't really give as long of a helpful guide as i would like to, but feel free to add me as a friend. I can watch you play/ play with you and that will be the best way I can help and give you advice. Then when you comfortable with PvP, i can accompany you so you dont have to worry about flaming teammates. My summoner name is GoldandSilver1

Gear Kitty2/9/2017, 8:57:46 AM2 votes

Oh, so new. So pure of heart.

First off, don't listen to the people saying to jump right into PvP. One doesn't really learn much, especially if a Smurf or two end up in your match (a player who has a higher ranked account leveling up a new account for nefarious reasons). They'll tell you bots move and act predictably, but that's only when one starts to understand the logic behind the movements.

It... sounds like you're not there yet. But no worries, everyone starts somewhere. Some pointers though:

Intermediate Bots operate as if they were level 30 with a full Masteries page and will use their Summoner Spells aggressively. They used to not be as hard as they are now. They also never Jungle, so top lane can be more oppressive than in a normal match if the Player side runs a Jungler.

PRACTICE LAST HITTING. I've been playing since the start of Season 2 and I'm still sub-par at last hitting with only auto attacks as my minions hit their counter parts. It's why I personally gravitate towards champs that last hit with abilities like Sivir and Illaoi. I'm saying this mostly because you say you enjoy Nasus, and he revolves around farming up his Q on the minion waves.

The Jungle may seem nice, and it has it's moments, but the Jungler role is balanced for level 30's with full Mastery and Rune Pages. You can fully blame Riot for this. People have been telling them for ages to just make Masteries and Runes available for everyone (or at least, open up all the slots on the Rune Page so you can fill it all in with -something-). As is, it's really hard for lower level accounts to survive the jungle camps in the early game outside of specific champions and other factors (getting a Leash, when a laner spends the first few seconds of the jungle start helping to clear a camp or two for the jungler, can alleviate the monster pressure).

And probably the biggest piece of advice I can give.... aside from like, "it's just a game" or "run far, run fast, never return to this game if you care about your sanity", is to WATCH.

I learned the most about this game by watching pro-play, streams, and the old Featured Game Spectate... feature, that Riot got rid of for reasons. The biggest help is the casters and streamers that EXPLAIN why things happen, why people did what they did. Phreak is probably the best for that. Any game he casts, or plays in his stream, is a learning experience. When you watch your fiance and his friends, ask -why- they do what they do, why they bought what they bought. Also, watch your mini-map. Seriously. Unless you're playing one the Howling Abyss (that icy bridge map), check it. Like, about every 10 seconds at the very least. The VERY LEAST.

This may all seem like I'm jumping around, but I'm trying to crash course the biggest points without being able to actually sit down and help you through step by step. The best part is that you WANT to learn and are trying to do so. That's big. Like, super big.

Don't let the flamers and toxic asswipes get to you. The game can be fun when you find that part you find fun. I know that might sound off, but it's the truth. Just don't curse back and don't call for reports.

Oh, and because of time zones and such, there's almost always a pro match going on or about to go on. http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/ has the schedules and videos. It's super confusing until you grasp the lingo, I know. And it can be boring, a lot. But it's the game played at the highest level by the best around.

... live long and prosper??

I'm never quite good at ending these.

midnight oil242/9/2017, 9:42:01 PM2 votes

Aww, don't worry, if you just get some teammates you trust, intermediate will be nothing. I didn't realize you were level 10. This weekend, I'd be more than willing to spend some time helping you practice and raise your level ^^

And don't worry about being bad right now. I suck ass at this game, but I'm much better than I used to be. Just keep at it and you'll improve.

MrHaZeYo2/8/2017, 10:11:33 AM1 votes

League isn't a easy game, it takes time to get bad at this game. So you can imagine how much longer it takes to get to below average and so on up on the tier list.

You just need to tough it out, learn the basics, then keep working on getting better.

83241804DEL12/9/2017, 6:49:20 PM1 votes

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meowwow72/9/2017, 9:22:38 AM1 votes

the only thing i can see why intermediate bots are a bit tricky is because they use their summoner spells but other than a bigger pool nothing much but i didn't start playing my first couple rounds on norms until my mid 20's ._.

FeuerfalkeFX2/8/2017, 10:49:34 AM1 votes

##Bot games

Playing against bots is good and bad depending on when and why you play against them. If someone just started playing League of Legends and has little to no experience with MOBA games, playing against bots is the best option. Making a mistake against a bot is not as bad as doing them when playing against a player, and playing against bots has the benefit that you have more time to look around the map and learn the basic mechanics of the game.

On the other side, if you want to learn a champion, playing against bot isn't that efficient, since their movement and behaviour is too predictable. . ##Jungle

For jungling you need smite, which you can use once you hit level 10. This takes away 1 slot of your 2 summoner spell slots. It deasl 390-1000 damage to non champion targets. This spell is crucial since it allows you to buy items made specific for this position. Warwick is a great jungler for example, because he restores health if you attack someone.

Jungling works like this: You gain gold and experience by slaying monster in the jungle or the scuttle crab (the monster in the river). If you see an enemy laner pushing or fighting with your teammates you can use your advantage as a jungler to suprise them and try to kill him together with your teammate. You try to gain vision using the scuttle crab and warding totems You can ask your teammates to take down objectives such as baron nashor, herold or the dragon.

There is a lot more a jungler can/should do, which you will learn at a later point.

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What does that say about me as a player?

That you are a new player. I don't want to know how often I got my ass beaten by bots.

best regards, FeuerfalkeFX

Kitty Cat Tosha2/8/2017, 10:59:16 AM1 votes

When I started playing, it took me weeks (if not months) to learn how to beat the bots. I think it was about 4 or 6 months or something before I learned to beat the damn bots. Then I spent a year playing only ARAMs to learn the champs and how to teamfight. After that I spent another year doing only normal games. I only started ranked last season. I am not saying you should do what I did or take it as slow as I did, but it's okay to move at your own pace.

You are new. You still need to get used to the controls, the skills, the champs, the map, the items... League is a deceptionally hard game to learn, especially when you are new to the whole MOBA thing (like I was). Don't be too hard on yourself. Allow yourself to learn, allow yourself to fail.

If possible, try to find a community or group of people that are also new so you can learn together :) Playing with an experienced person can be educational, but often not as fun as just letting yourself be new with and against other newbies.

Remember: it's a game. Allow yourself to have fun too ;)