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California Ice·11/23/2014, 8:00:47 PM·17 votes·4,282 views

"Hello California Ice,

Chat restrictions are placed through looking at the behaviors that are displayed in games. In two instances, in a very short time, your account was flagged for leaving games. While we know that real life situations may happen, this still causes a negative experience for the players on your team who have to now fight a man down.

The other instance of negative behaviors displayed were during champion select or at the start of the game. A player on your team already locked in or had their designated lane when loading into the game. It's cool to play what you want and go outside the meta but also make sure that your teammates understand this as well. Remember to always work with your team together and not start negativity from the beginning!

Best Regards, Keyru Player Behavior Specialist"

I literally got CHAT RESTRICTED for leaving 2 games because of my connection. Because of my CONNECTION, and I got hit with 40 restrictions. I have connection problems, therefore I should get hit with the LEAVEBUSTER SYSTEM. NOT chat restrictions. Then, they reply me with locking in a champion my team does not agree with.

Excuse me, but last time I checked playing off-meta is NOT AGAINST THE RULES. I didn't argue, didn't say one thing toxic, simply locking a champion and I got restricted for it. Apparently now there is a rule that if your teammates does not agree with your champion pick, YOU get chat restricted. I chose to play a off-meta support, and I get restricted because thats considered "negative". You shouldn't get banned because your teammates don't agree with your champion pick or going outside the meta, if my teammates don't agree with it, will boo-hoo, I'm playing what I want. I help my teammates with whatever champion I pick, I'm not trolling, and I don't say anything toxic. Anyone should be able to pick whatever champion they want without any penalties, even if your team does not agree with it.

Oh wait, a person just played a off-meta champion, poppy mid. Better give him 200 restrictions.

Wait, a person didn't communicate when picking his champion; give him 100 restrictions!

Oh look, a thresh autolocked and called his role. Better give him 100 restrictions.

Edit: "Playing badly is not bannable. Playing against the meta is also not bannable. But trying to be a jerk to your fellow players is." http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30365385#30365385

Edit 2: Scenario; Not talking or typing at all is not bannable. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33239629#33239629

Edit 3: Read my thread, it's not that complicated. I played an off-meta champion, I locked in, I got restricted for it. This is normal q, and by rules you can play whatever you want as long as your not feeding/trolling. I was not trolling, I was playing, not being toxic, played it through out everything. If I don't communicate, I go by pings. No player should be banned for instalocking (which I didn't do, even if I did, it's not chat restrict worthy) or playing a champion that your team does not agree you with.

Edit 4: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/221588815

As you can see I LOVE playing off-meta champios, and almost 95% percent of my games I go support. Sometimes I like to support top, hence, double top, hence(2); breaking the META, not the rules. And in those games, we won also! I ward, ping, help people, and generally respect everyone regardless of their builds/ or picks.

Edit 5: Sorry for the various edits; including a post of mines; - "Those factors your talking about; I didn't do. I don't know how to break up my quote into separate parts like you did, but I'll try my best to answer your post. If someone forced me to go in a different lane, I wouldn't care. So be it, let there be triple bot or double bot, because it's not against the rules to break the META. Heck, I think it would be kind of fun to have three bot, or double mid, because that players wants to try something new; so be it, he can do so.

And, afcorss it's not ok to force other people to do things, but some people don't want other people to play ashe adc, or poppy top, but you can't tell people what to do. I don't mean to force people to play other roles, but if I don't want to follow the META in a respectful way, I will do so. That person can freely double top with me, if he/she wants to. I don't care if people force me to do other things, I am open to everything, because I don't generally follow the META. I am not trolling, in the majority of my games I play support, and sometimes I like to go top; example - I support Nasus as thresh, hence, double top. He might not like it, and be forced to go somewhere else, but that's breaking the META. I am not trolling, I am simply going top. If someone does not like something, but it's not against the rules, it's irrelevant to chat restrict him for breaking the META.

True, nobody should be forced to play that they are not comfortable with. I have seen ashe jungle, and I am not comfortable with that, but seeing as if that's not against the rules, I don't complain and I even commend him for playing ashe. I am not being selfish but I am entitled to play whatever role in whatever lane I want as long as I am not being toxic, and I am trying. All my games, I purchase wards and such, and help a plethora of people in-game. I told you, I am in love with breaking the META in various non-toxic ways, and if I choose to go double mid or double top (which I have no done), but hypothetically that's not against the rules at all. If I am helping csing, warding, or actually playing the game, even if so; breaking the META should not get you chat restricted. If I, however, trolled on purpose and spam laugh at them, that is considered chat restrict worthy, which I would never do. People can play WHATEVER they please, if that person is not comfortable with my pick that is breaking the META, that person is freely to dodge, or move to another lane. Or, he can stay top or mid, and as a double laner, we can push. These all fall under the category of breaking the META. Was it never against the rules to go double top, or double mid, even making the person uncomfortable. I seen ashe supports and make their adc's unfortable, but in this era breaking META is not against the rules, so they can do it. The mentality of "ONLY 1 LANE TOP ONE LANE MID ONE LANE JUNGLE" sort of gist needs to stop, because it's not against the rules."

Edit 6: From a post; "Hi Flemman! Like I said, I play naturally in Normalq. Anything in teambuilder take well over 20 minutes! Anyways, the reasoning I am talking about here is the fact I broke the META then I got restricted for it. I do see what your saying, however, when I say top, and let's say, someone else says top, I say top also. (In this case, I am going double top) I have a procedure I go by, support is only for bottom lane, obviously.

I understand when I say "support top", it may or not effect them negatively. But, you need to understand the majority of other people do this to. This is not chat restrict worthy by itself. My mentality is that I can choose to play what world I want to play, by not following the META; it should never give anyone a chat restrict unless that person is toxic. I was never toxic, I simply went in, locked in, and in some games we had double top. Did they not like it? Maybe not, but going against the META is never against the rules.

My mentality of what is going on here; I will keep doing what I am doing. If I decide to go double top, even after locking in, or before, this is considered breaking the META. I am NEVER toxic, I help everyone, and I keep playing. You won't believe the amount of toxicity I got, however, to compensate this negative atmosphere towards me; I love breaking the META with various champions. If people don't like it; there are many other things people don't like. Like if someone goes Ashe support without saying anything, or saying a word in lobby; sure, it's childish but failure to communicate or breaking the META should not get him restricted. It may be childish, but chat restricted worthy? I think not! Many times I have went in the lobby and just locked in top; I didn't say anything. This is indeed childish and may be considered wrong, but, it's not against the rules/ and (2) or if the person is still playing the game without saying a word at all, but is playing the game right without any toxicity or intentionally feeding; no reason for that person to get banned. Falls in the category of failure to communicate; as provided in the link, not against the rules"

I see people play poppy jungle, leona top, I don't agree with it, but I generally don't type because I know it's not against the rules. Playing whatever champion you want in a respectable matter without being toxic, or feeding, should not be restricted for doing so. I was giving everyone tips, pinging, and helping eveyone, and because I locked in a champion that was off-meta, I got restricted for it. If I go in a lobby, and instalock a champion (where 50% of the people do anyways) that person should not get restricted for it. If I want to go double top, or double mid, I should not get restricted for it.

Whether both pre-chat or in the game, or after lobby.

I was never being a jerk, I simply called my role, locked in, and since it was a off-meta champion, I got restricted.

GG Riot.

120 Comments

Jarbs11/23/2014, 8:11:31 PM8 votes

"Then, they reply me with locking in a champion my team does not agree with. if my teammates don't agree with it, will boo-hoo, I'm playing what I want." You're auto locking. And you're basically saying "I get mid. So deal with it." Plus you're making your team shift to champions that they're not accustomed with. Example: You auto lock with Veigar at mid. Even though a guy had already called it . And then he's forced to play Tristana bot.

CoCo BoEy11/23/2014, 10:03:36 PM6 votes

It's funny because they have the option to dodge but they don't, they have the option to mute and they don't and they have the option to see how it plays out before just assuming it won't work but they don't. All these options available to the player and the ignore them but then Riot will defend them and punish someone else because the players chose to ignore the options available to them?

Sounds to me like Riot is rewarding laziness.

If you're not allowed to break the meta then make it a rule... Since there is no rule then no one should get punished for it. You say it's cool to break the meta but as long as your team mates understand it..... If I lock in shen support and say "Support" then they should know.. if they say gg, ff at 20 or i'm afking then that's them being an asshole without even seeing if it works or not and they should be the ones punished - not the ones playing what champ they are best at. It's even stated by some Riot employees and high elo players that you should play the champ you are most comfortable with and good at.

I'd rather have an Awesome shen support who knows what he is doing then a Bad sona player who only picked sona cause that's what the team wants...

Jubbinaut11/23/2014, 9:57:13 PM5 votes

Breaking the meta is not against the rules. Being a jerk while doing so is. Creating a negative experience while doing so is.

Nobody punishes for Leona top. They punish for the Leona that forces a double-top on solo Nasus.

Nobody punishes Poppy jungle. They punish for the Poppy that forces Trynd to deal with losing the already spare amount of gold/experience he was going to have to work with.

Nobody punishes Riven mid (though that's a terrible example, as it's not really off-meta anyway). They punish for the Riven that forces a double-mid on solo Cass.

The key word in all of those? "Forces." If your team agrees to a strategy, then nobody cares. Your team agrees to try your 2-1-2 lane setup? Cool! Good luck! They think double-jungle sounds cool? Awesome! Good luck! They wanna go 5-man mid? Sounds hilarious! Good luck!

The important part is that people are on board with whatever is going on, whether it's perfectly meta, or perfectly off-meta. Recognizing that the advantage of the meta is that it allows for easy non-verbal communication ("Oh, he picked Nasus, he's gonna go top, since he doesn't have Smite"), and consequently that going off-meta requires more verbal communication to prevent those negative experiences is a hugely important part in avoiding creating problems among your team.

In my experience, players who play off-meta picks tend to deal with more toxicity (and consequently tend to express more toxicity) because they're just blindly picking off-meta. Communicating intentions and plans completely obviates that problem.

So: Can you be punished explicitly for not talking to your team? No. Can you be punished explicitly for not playing to the meta? No. Can a combination of factors which - in and of themselves - aren't normally punishable become punishable when seen in conjunction? Yes. Yes, they can.

ValyrianBlade11/23/2014, 8:08:00 PM3 votes

The email said it's cool to play off meta but make sure your teammates understand this. By picking an off meta SUPPORT, odds are your team thought you were trolling with double mid or something because you didn't say anything about it.

With respect to leaving Games, sure you're right it should be by leaverbuster. That said, they should be allowed to combine offenses, if I commit a different offense each game I deserve punishment. As their email says, you may have connection issues but that doesn't matter to the other players on your team; you're still leaving.

Honestly, I'm hesitant to believe you locked off meta and just got restricted for it, considering I had someone try to go Leona adc this morning :/ If so, would be nice if they could start getting the real offenders and sorry for your luck.

SexyTaylorSwift11/24/2014, 11:53:57 PM2 votes

"The other instance of negative behaviors displayed were during champion select or at the start of the game. A player on your team already locked in or had their designated lane when loading into the game."

So it sounds like you're one of those "mid or feed" dudes that goes mid anyway to troll. Also said you had negative behavior at the start of the game. I wish you would have received a harsher penalty.

California Ice11/23/2014, 8:23:12 PM2 votes

Also; https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752984-Restricted-Chat-Mode

"F I CAN'T CHAT IN-GAME, WON'T I BE BANNED FOR FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE? Players are never banned for not communicating through chat in-game. In fact, a large portion of our games are completed with very few words being said at all. If you feel you need to communicate to your team, then you should use our improved Smart Ping feature. Smart Ping will allow you to communicate all vital information you might need in a manner that is much quicker than typing. Smart Ping allows the following commands to be given: On My Way, Enemy Missing (MIA), Be Careful, and Assist Me."

I always ping when there is something going on, and I did not say anything toxic. Read what I said, they restricted me for picking a off-meta champion.

California Ice11/23/2014, 8:35:16 PM2 votes

Kind of funny where people get chat restricted for saying negative things; where I didn't even type. Lol.

xVaseFullofAcidx11/24/2014, 2:05:10 AM2 votes

Personally I love players who play champs in roles they dont usually go, because id rather you be on my team knowing how to use your in the role you picked then being stuck with a champ you barely know because people are telling you that if you dont youre trolling. If you know you can accomplish the role with whatever champed youve picked because who am I to judge if you pick sejuani mid and rock it out. You sound like youd be a blast ti play with because you dont follow the meta go you!

Drunk Rummate11/24/2014, 5:36:02 PM2 votes

Hey I've read this thread before.

Lyte usually comes in and lets us know how toxic they were after instalocking or whatever and they generally go away quietly afterwards. Guess I'll bookmark for the incoming dunk :D

OblongOtter11/23/2014, 11:54:35 PM2 votes

Side note that I forgot! If you were to force yourself as support in a non-support role, that affects other people. It's more something to do with friends. Like, I'd be cool going duo top with you (have done it before, we did amazing) and I know some people that would probably be cool with it too. But in solo queue you're forcing someone into a duo lane, which is generally not liked.

I'll duo top or mid with you any day, though, Mr. Ice. As long as you aren't toxic, we're cool.

Xemeron11/24/2014, 12:01:58 AM2 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUkDv49ERLg

OblongOtter11/24/2014, 12:04:57 AM2 votes

Oh no dude you're fine, I was just misinformed. No worries. Seriously would like to play with you sometime though. And you can count on me to not rage at you! :D

owenstarkiller11/24/2014, 12:49:22 AM2 votes

Ten bucks said "support personnel" did not actually review anything but in game chat.

owenstarkiller11/24/2014, 12:51:34 AM2 votes

Helped what? OP is about a ban not about anything else. Stick to the subject.

Naturize11/24/2014, 1:24:26 AM2 votes

Well, people are resist to change. They scared about what will happen if there is this change. I main support, sometimes when my enemy using weird support such as Leblanc and Soraka as AD (old games, golden banana), I confused how to dealt with it, but rather than getting confused, I tried to work it out by seeing how it works and adjust to it.

The thing is some people are like to stick to the meta, they're resist to change(maybe not open minded). But of course there are advantage when breaking meta, it makes your enemy more careful in their game or play passively. But forcing other people to follow your way of play, won't really work well. This is the reason, you should ask before the game start. These are 5 people game (team games) Like soccer there are no rules for back player to score a goal, but the coach/team might blame them if they screw it. Therefore just ask them, if majority says ok then go for it. If not then you're forcing your way to other person, so just leave and look for another team.

California Ice11/23/2014, 11:07:08 PM1 votes

Y'know, I think I'm done. You've managed to respond to my posts by utterly ignoring them, which frankly is incredibly impressive. You're attempting to argue your point by stating things I have explicitly agreed with, as if they somehow change when you say them.

And worse, you're bringing a frankly oppressive attitude of entitlement to the whole thing. The big message you're sending with these posts is "Other people should have to deal with the way I want to play, but I shouldn't have to deal with the way they want to play."

So, y'know, think what you want. Do what you want. But maybe, just maybe, you should pay a little more attention to your teammates. And maybe, just maybe, you should actually pay attention to what a Behavior Specialist is telling you. I mean, it's their job to handle these cases, so I'd guess they know what they're talking about, wouldn't you?

Thank you for your post. Maybe you should revisit the rules and see that breaking the META is not against the rules, nor is not communicating with your team. However, I do communicate with my team and I do infact play off-meta champions; including calling my role. Good day to you. :)

IziMytTJd711/23/2014, 9:56:10 PM1 votes

If you pick an off meta champion you need to tell your team what position you're playing. Otherwise they will assume you are an auto locking troll, and will have to adjust their picks to accommodate for it.