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Niyumi··2 votes·495 views

I remember a time when not even half the bullshit Riot pulls would have put a company out of business -- and then, the leaders of said company would never be able to have their name on a game again, because people would know it'd be shit.

Thing like:

  • Lying repeatedly to the consumers

    • "We put quality above all else, even money!" -- Admits to keeping Lee broken for money, admits to balancing around the spotlight, etc.
  • Making double standards

    • "We don't like generalists" -- ignores champs like Riven, Lee, Ahri, etc.
  • Balancing as to what's lucrative, rather than what's fair (Lee is a good example, Riot even admits themselves that he's broken)

    • This includes buffing champs that don't need it, or ignoring broken champs/items/etc. for as long as they can get away with or making placebo nerfs that really don't have any impact whatsoever (Remember taking 3 AD off of Vayne when she had a 60% pickrate? Yeah, big nerf).
  • Putting so few resources into development that even something simple like modernizing a champ takes several months to years when a high school team could do it in a week or two (and any other AAA company could do it in less)

    • This is not done because it takes a long time to do or because it's hard work, they do this because they want to drum up hype so that people who may have not played the "ugly old champs" will be more willing to spend money on skins.

      • Where skins are concerned, development doesn't take months and months like Riot wants you to believe. It's also just about manipulating people to try and get them excited, so they don't think as much before they go and buy things.

What happened to the consumer base? Why do you let Riot, EA, Activision, the new Nintendo (After Iwata died), NCsoft, Nexon and all these companies get away with so much bullshit?

14 Comments

archerno12 votes

This is a free to play game son. And most of what u said is pure nonsense

Niyumi1 votes

Yeah, the fact that F2P exists at all is a part of the issue.

And nothing I said was wrong.

archerno12 votes

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Yeah, the fact that F2P exists at all is a part of the issue.

And nothing I said was wrong.

Well u said that Riot "ADMITTED" to keep Lee broken for money. Yet you didnt provide any source where u found them admitting it. You mentioned how they dont touch Lee or Ahri yet both received pretty significant nerfs recently. You also mentioned Riven but considering how bad she is now, i asume u mean they arent buffing her when they should, in which case u are right. But if u have audacity to claim how Riven is strong now, then just....

Also i asume u have multibillioner company yourself since u have audacity to call out Riot on their business decisions.

Niyumi1 votes

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For Lee Sin, he is just overpowered, so we're bumping him down slightly next patch - junglers are performing very well at the moment and he is the best jungler. (He adds a lot to competitive play though, so we don't want to hit him too hard).

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/6EEk9efX-musings-on-fun-and-clunkiness?comment=00000000

Lee lost 200 damage off of his combo that does thousands. Not a significant nerf.

Ahri lost nothing since her E got the AP ratio the other two abilities lost. Not a nerf.

Riven has poor stats because morons play her in low ELO. Go look at upper ELO Riven players.

And no, I don't own a multi-billion dollar company, but I can compare Riot to other companies and see how little they care outside of money and call them out on it, and you don't need to own a company to understand how a company works.

Fondling Gems2 votes

Lee's winrate took a pretty substantial hit, showing that it was effective, and Ahri actually lost a lot of her damage because her E and R apply their scaling to each bolt. The math goes like this based on the number of targets she is hitting (copy and pasted from and old comment of mine):

The damage difference for single target is 21% AP scaling reduction. 2 Targets is 42% scaling Reduction. 3 Targets is a whopping 65% AP scaling reduction.

So her nerf actually cut out a ton of damage in total. Keep in mind some of her damage also got shifted from a targeted skill to a skillshot, and that skillshot has a substantially longer CD as well. The damage drop was pretty significant.

lolcommunity11 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/6EEk9efX-musings-on-fun-and-clunkiness?comment=00000000

Lee lost 200 damage off of his combo that does thousands. Not a significant nerf.

Ahri lost nothing since her E got the AP ratio the other two abilities lost. Not a nerf.

Riven has poor stats because morons play her in low ELO. Go look at upper ELO Riven players.

And no, I don't own a multi-billion dollar company, but I can compare Riot to other companies and see how little they care outside of money and call them out on it, and you don't need to own a company to understand how a company works.

Good thing that you don't own a multi-billion dollar company because your perception on business ethics is terrible. You would drive the company right to the ground by trying to appease minorities. That's not how a business works. It is always about what gets the most attention and not by some loud mouth who wants special treatment because they play a champion that nobody else does. They are there to make money.

You are just another whiner who is upset about champion popularity who throws around this meaningless term "Generalist". That's tough shit. Nobody is going to drop their favorite champions to appease you just because they are the most played.

Oh and one other thing. Riot makes money threw micro transactions by mostly skins scanning threw what champions get the most attention. Newsflash! Ahri and Lee Sin make that money. All people like you do is complain about how this champion is broken or that champion is broken when in reality, It's player entitlement that is the problem.

Niyumi1 votes

Go look at Nintendo under Iwata. He was given tons of MASSIVELY profitable business deals, but he turned them down to stick to his principles and keep producing quality games that met his standards. Iwata dies, new guy immediately gets into mobile gaming, DLC, all that. There's a difference between making money and being a greedy asshat.

Guess who the most popular gaming company of all time was? Oh, huh, Nintendo.

And I'm not complaining about what champs get skins, I'm complaining about the fact that Riot warps and distorts their game to make it as profitable as possible, breaks champs and ignores broken ones, and the fact that they're F2P at all.

It's player laziness that's the issue. They can't be bothered to demand quality anymore.

lolcommunity12 votes

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Go look at Nintendo under Iwata. He was given tons of MASSIVELY profitable business deals, but he turned them down to stick to his principles and keep producing quality games that met his standards. Iwata dies, new guy immediately gets into mobile gaming, DLC, all that. There's a difference between making money and being a greedy asshat.

Getting into mobile gaming allows that demographic to experience their content. That is not greed. That is called reaching out to as many people as possible. Just like 3rd party developers. They are not loyal to one platform. They want their games to be experience by as many people as possible which is the most logical business choice.

Iwata is responsible for the failure of the Wii U because he thought he could replicate the success of the Nintendo Wii by introducing yet another gimmick. A tablet controller which nobody gave two shits about and next to no 3rd party support. Guess what? They discontinued it with an abysmal number of 13 million units sold in a short lifespan of 5 years.

Nintendo is notorious now for releasing under-powered hardware and introducing gimmicks. They lucked out with the Wii because motion control became a global phenomenon for only a short period of time. Released at the right time at the right price with their first party studio to back it up. Didn't work a second time with the Wii U. Jee, I wonder why?

Guess who the most popular gaming company of all time was? Oh, huh, Nintendo.

That is debatable. Nintendo is renowned first the first party studios and nobody is denying that and they do have a monopoly on the dedicated handheld gaming market but when it comes to console hardware, they fail time and time again.

And I'm not complaining about what champs get skins, I'm complaining about the fact that Riot warps and distorts their game to make it as profitable as possible, breaks champs and ignores broken ones, and the fact that they're F2P at all.

You're whining about riot trying to make a profit from their micro transaction model and then turning around complaining that it's F2P. Where the fuck is your logic?

There over 150 champions in the game. Did it ever cross your mind that you cannot balance them all? And who are you to say what's balanced and what isn't? Everyone on these boards is ALWAYS complaining about X champion being broken, and wants compensation for it. How about this... You get none! What you considered broken is balanced by someone else. Just because you don't know how to play against it doesn't mean that I or anyone else will have trouble with it.

Unless that particular champion is actually game breaking (And I DO mean game breaking) where you absolutely cannot let it get threw the draft phase, I don't want to hear it. You have the 10 ban system now. You don't need any more hand holders.

It's player laziness that's the issue. They can't be bothered to demand quality anymore.

Wrong, today's players demand TOO much. Quality isn't the issue here. It is once again, entitlement. The community these days do no know what they want or when they do get it, they are STILL not happy.

Niyumi1 votes

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That is not greed. That is called reaching out to as many people as possible.

It's called selling out. There's a reason Iwata didn't want to do it, and there's a reason Yamauchi didn't want to do it. They stuck to what they knew was right, and developed quality games instead of cheap cash grabs.

Nintendo is notorious now for releasing under-powered hardware

See, there's more to a game than how it looks. The game itself is what matters. A boring, pretty game is still boring, while a game like Zelda is timeless. I don't particularly care if Nintendo's hardware can't beat a PS4 or XB1 so long as the games are still on an entire new level in terms of enjoyment value.

And the Wii U had very few games released for it and was expensive -- those were the only issues. The tablet is irrelevant.

You're whining about riot trying to make a profit from their micro transaction model and then turning around complaining that it's F2P. Where the fuck is your logic?

F2P is the bane of quality. When your source of income comes from micro transactions instead of the game itself, you're going to pour developer resources into the cash shop and try and force you to pay for things by neglecting the base game (in terms of appearance, QoL, etc.). Doing something like a visual update on a champ whose kit is otherwise fine (Lulu, MF, Ori, etc.) isn't profitable, since you can't drum up hype and make more money off of people, so it won't happen. Doing a champ rework in a timely fashion (a couple weeks at most) isn't lucrative either, so Riot spends years to get people speculating and driving up hype -- excited players are dumb players.

Now, in a P2P game, your GAME is what makes you money. If people are having fun and enjoying your game, you make money. So all of your developer resources go into producing new content and making sure your game is as fun and as high quality as it can be.

P2P also allows developers who actually care to produce work they can be proud of, instead of developing cash grabs and being restricted by slimy, greedy suits.

There over 150 champions in the game. Did it ever cross your mind that you cannot balance them all?

MMOs are infinitely more complex than a MOBA -- many more abilities, interactions and all that. Yet, they're fairly well balanced. I wonder why?

Everyone on these boards is ALWAYS complaining about X champion being broken, and wants compensation for it. How about this... You get none!

I don't want compensation. I just want the game to be fair and enjoyable, instead of being decided at champ select.

Wrong, today's players demand TOO much. Quality isn't the issue here. It is once again, entitlement. The community these days do no know what they want or when they do get it, they are STILL not happy.

The issue is that greedy asshats who honestly should be slapped are getting away with more and more moneygrubbing, and people are either entirely unaware, delusional, or just don't care.

Icy Hot Shoto1 votes

Personally I'd like to see a well thought out, well done, not-glitchy-to-high-hell textures, semi-balanced kit that'll be fixed because the people on pbe are all "cool, OP!" then cry the 'op champ kit' got onto live servers, nice looking rework or new champion.

Not Urgot 1.5(before his rework) because they put the champion together in a week.

I've seen what high school students can do when given similar types of programming software, I've been to high school. High school students like to make things naked. We don't need naked champions.

Again, not Urgot 1.5.

Niyumi1 votes

I went to high school once upon a time too. And if said high schoolers are, you know, not single-digit IQ morons who make things naked and actually give a damn about what they're doing, they can match the quality of a lot of game studios.

Vanëssa1 votes

I won't lie. This thread really made me laugh, even though reading what you struggled to write made me sad. You put so much think into useless things. What's so generalisrt in Ahri, Lee and Riven? I don't give a fuck about nintemdo, xbox shit or whatever you wrote there. That just explains that you are an obsessed human that lives in the games' universe. It's the only field where you can actually say something. But you know what? IT'S USELESS. WE DON'T CARE AT ALL! If you think you are being manipulated or idk, acces control panel, uninstall a program and uninstall lol. Nobody is keeping you here. What's the subject of this thread anyway? What's the question? What are we supposed to answer to or help you? What you wrote there worths 0.

Niyumi1 votes

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I don't give a fuck about nintemdo, xbox shit or whatever you wrote there. That just explains that you are an obsessed human that lives in the games' universe. It's the only field where you can actually say something. But you know what? IT'S USELESS. WE DON'T CARE AT ALL! If you think you are being manipulated or idk, acces control panel, uninstall a program and uninstall lol. Nobody is keeping you here.

See, here's the thing though: These business practices that gaming companies get away with are not just in gaming, they're all throughout business. You ever hear of planned obsolescence? It's when you create a product and design it to break after so much time. Edison's light bulb? Yeah, still burning almost 110 years later. The old kitchen knife set my parents have from 35 years ago? Still sharper and better than brand-new knives from last year. The same money grubbing and lack of quality that's all over gaming is all over the rest of the world.

I talk about gaming a lot though because it's the one that I care about more.

What's the subject of this thread anyway? What's the question? What are we supposed to answer to or help you? What you wrote there worths 0.

I'm asking why you, and other whales, allow Riot to get away with bullshit policies and lying. Companies can only do what the consumers let them do, and gaming companies weren't always allowed to get away with being greedy fucks.

Vanëssa1 votes

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See, here's the thing though: These business practices that gaming companies get away with are not just in gaming, they're all throughout business. You ever hear of planned obsolescence? It's when you create a product and design it to break after so much time. Edison's light bulb? Yeah, still burning almost 110 years later. The old kitchen knife set my parents have from 35 years ago? Still sharper and better than brand-new knives from last year. The same money grubbing and lack of quality that's all over gaming is all over the rest of the world.

I talk about gaming a lot though because it's the one that I care about more.

I'm asking why you, and other whales, allow Riot to get away with bullshit policies and lying. Companies can only do what the consumers let them do, and gaming companies weren't always allowed to get away with being greedy fucks.

I "allow" them cause i does not affect my life in any possible way. If Riot lies, i don't care, i'm just playing the game because inlike it. My life won't change at all. But for you it's different. The games are your life. Thinking riot is lying is a disaster for you and your virtual life is in danger. Leave these games alone, they really affected you.

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