"Premitigation Damage" - Clarity Issues

Oleandervine·May 25, 2016·2 votes·21,853 views

Hi, I was just informed that Premitigation Damage, in reference to Athene's Unholy Grail, is a very high dollar word for "damage taken before factoring in armor and MR." However, I'm not familiar with the word, and neither was Google, so maybe there needs to be something to help clarify what it actually is. I had no idea how the Grail was actually charging itself, and I'm sure I can't be the only person who's confused by what "premitigation damage" is. I understand you number crunchers and finance folks know exactly how to explain it, but for everyday folks, it may as well be a word in another language that the context in the tooltip doesn't even help to explain. So Riot, throw us a bone and help simplify your wording so we know how the item works a little better.

5 Comments

Reaper ReviewMay 25, 20162 votes

Mitigation means to lessen the force/intensity of something. "Pre" is a prefix meaning "before". If anything, there should probably be a hyphen in there.

Trying to "simplify" it would just end up using more words, like the tooltip on Thornmail (which I'm surprised wasn't updated with the new pre-mitigation terminology).

OleandervineMay 25, 20161 votes

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Mitigation means to lessen the force/intensity of something. "Pre" is a prefix meaning "before". If anything, there should probably be a hyphen in there.

Trying to "simplify" it would just end up using more words, like the tooltip on Thornmail (which I'm surprised wasn't updated with the new pre-mitigation terminology).

My point is, this new terminology is overly confusing. A shield is mitigation. A defense buff is mitigation. The word is a little fuzzy because of what can be classified as mitigation. Keeping the wording of Thornmail would have made the way the Grail works abundantly clear, despite the use of more words.

EndlessSorcererMay 25, 20161 votes

My point is, this new terminology is overly confusing. A shield is mitigation. A defense buff is mitigation. The word is a little fuzzy because of what can be classified as mitigation.

I don't really see the issue with this. As you said, those are forms of mitigation and Athene's Unholy Grail (along with Thornmail) use the damage taken before either of those are considered.

It is quite consistent and I find the wording to be quite succinct.

WulframmNov 15, 20161 votes

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Trying to "simplify" it would just end up using more words, like the tooltip on Thornmail (which I'm surprised wasn't updated with the new pre-mitigation terminology).

Actually.. no. It's very easy to simplify when you understand the reason for someone else's confusion. To use this thread as an example, the questioner is unable to identify the scope of "premitigation damage."

to simplify:

premitigation damage is the total damage a player soaks disregarding any source of damage prevention.

this means every time you get a hit against your character, unholy grail charges. "premitigation" just means the amount the unholy grail charges won't change if you use a shield, Armour, or anything else that keeps your health bar from lowering.

the above seems to make this item viable for both squishy characters as well as tanks, since it doesn't matter how much the grail charges if your character is too dead to make use of it.

LordGeovanniMay 25, 20161 votes

Athene's unless stats issue for just making it purely support item took away most of its power when it should be about mages not wanting the passive or should have at least buffed the mr to 60 on both item 3174 and item 3222