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This has got to stop

jewliciousness·6/3/2015, 6:29:47 AM·60 votes·3,870 views

So I just read a post about the viability of a certain champion if built full AD. Doesn't sound bad, but instead of commenting nice, clean stuff or anything of value, the people commenting proceeded to look up the poster's match history and began to insult him because it was not an "amazing" KDA. This sounds somewhat normal, but the issue here is that this continued for well over 30 comments. The original poster did not really bother to engage in the argument, as it had now turned into, but many other random people that had nothing to do with it did. It turned into about 5 different people arguing over whether or not a 2.something KDA was good and also arguing over whether or not averaging 18 kills a game was a feat. Seriously. Can we just take a moment to think about how ridiculous this is. Multiple people that had nothing better to do with their time decided to join in an argument they had no business being in. As the title states, stuff like this has to stopppppp.

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Rinky Dinky6/3/2015, 4:50:59 PM10 votes

It's because all these boards have just turned into a huge meta thumping lcs bashing circlejerk.

You say one thing that differs from the norm and you get shit on.

Funny thing is, even if you differ in opinion, the second you get a riot post or get enough traction those same shitters will change there sides real quick if it looks good.

People will upvote threads and discussions that promote a healthy discussion, then go and disregard that whenever it suits them

TL;DR Boards are a bunch of children.

Edit: I'm glad im not the only one who thinks Taylor Swift is just a massive scumbag whom brings nothing valuable or meaningful to discussions.

Lugg6/3/2015, 6:44:29 AM8 votes

That is how it is on this forum. When you have a solid, reasonable case, people look for any excuse to not believe you. Whether it be that you are Bronze, have a low KDA, etc. It doesn't matter if you are 100% right, they just are too stupid to accept anything other than what they WANT to believe. Just look at the number of idiots who try to argue that Ekko isn't OP.

Wumachine6/3/2015, 10:09:12 AM4 votes

link original post pls, i want to read it and bask in the glory of useless internet arguments

GundayMonday6/3/2015, 9:24:47 PM3 votes

Let me know if you find a way to make people stop arguing about stupid things on the internet. I have a nobel prize waiting for you.

Verxint6/3/2015, 8:31:36 PM2 votes

While the argument about 2.47 KDA was stupid, the initial post in response to mine which started the while thing was along the lines of "I do good with Darius in my ranked games I average like 14 kills"

Somewhere in there someone tired to point out to the poor bronze that having a bunch of kills doesn't mean you did well, especially if you on average die 8+ times a game and have less assists than deaths. That mean you are playing for kills and not to win.

This entire legitimate point was overshadowed by an argument about a KDA number.

Also, to the people saying just because you're in bronze doesn't mean you don't understand the game - while I don't completely disagree, I have to say if you really understood the game, you wouldn't be in bronze. Just from my brief stint in B1 this season I saw so many godawful mistakes being made that anyone with a decent amount of game knowledge and mediocre mechanics should blast through it easily.

What I'm saying is not that you can't have a valid opinion because of your rank, but knowing that you lack the skill to get higher than Bronze makes me much more skeptical of your opinion.

But back the point I wanted to make - the actual point some people were trying to make is that saying "I do good with this champion, look how many kills I get per game!" Doesn't really mean anything. Hell, if you usually get fed but don't usually win, it says to me you're worse than someone who doesn't usually get fed.

The real problem is the lower ELO mentality of focusing on KDA and sometimes CS to rate performance, and not statistics like damage dealt, damage taken, time spent dead, wards placed, dragons secured, kill participation (k+a / team total kills), gold earned, gold given to enemy team (should be a tracked stat but can still be estimated), towers pushed, locations/timing of persons deaths compared to teammates deaths (you can figure out if someone is over extending constantly by using the full match history), and a lot of other metrics you can use to assess someone's performance.

If that Darius player had instead said "look at my match history, I have highest gold on my team, highest kill participation, highest damage taken as the main frontline, but still substantially more damage dealt than taken" it would be a much more convincing argument. But not only does he not meet those metrics, indicating a mediocre performance at best, but the first metric he cites is not even KDA or KD, but just number of kills. That to me is what truly shows a lack of understanding of the game.

SEKAI6/3/2015, 6:31:06 AM2 votes

Thread link?

Because this issue really depends on how the OP was phrased and written.

kanacho6/3/2015, 6:37:33 AM2 votes

From what it sounds, yeah I've seen this kind of stuff, where if you aren't Plat V or higher to some people, your input somehow means nothing to them, but in reality, a lot of silver players (me included) look up a lot of the stuff from challenger tier/master tier/diamond players, so it's not just so much what we are saying, as it is something we've learned potentially. IT DEPENDS though, so I don't know the exact circumstance you are referring to.

Seriously match history might not even mean that much. What if he just had a bad losing streak? A LOT of people have had losing streaks, so what? You can move on.

Angry Monster6/3/2015, 10:19:08 AM2 votes

I am not sure i understand. If someone open their mouth about a topic, they need to be able to back it up. If you did not preform well and then are spouting off about a new way to play, you are getting what you deserve. The OP should have the game data looked at as much as possible and then answer questions about it. He does not have to respond to everyone(especially repeats) but he needs to be able to take the criticism.

How dare other people come into the thread and throw their 2 cents in. Its like they have an opinion on the topic.... HOW DARE THEY. People using their own time and having a debate about what is considered good. It is horrible and should be shut down, after all only the Original posters ideas matter and everyone else should shut up and swallow them. No dissenters or people of like minds, just people taking in the glory of the OPs post.

Are you fucking crazy? They are not even harming you. It purely their own time.

Yormaughm6/3/2015, 6:52:55 PM2 votes

In essence I completely agree with what the OP is saying. But I don't think that discussion about "what's a good K/D/A?" is worthless, I think it would be interesting to have that discussion legitimately. But the problem is that's never going to happen because nobody is going to do it with just numbers, they're going to insert themselves into the discussion as the perfect example of the best possible player, and belittle everyone who disagrees with them. This is what has to stop. Keep in mind that even if someone said something completely ridiculous like "unless you have an average KDA over 10 you're terrible." That's at least valuable data in determining how delusional some people are.

On the other hand though, it's not always a bad move to look up someone's match history, (though it is if you're only doing it to insult them.) But if you're doing it to fact check things they've said, or if you're pretty good at analysis it can be worthwhile. Example; a while ago there was a comment in a thread about a particular off-meta pick for a certain champion being a good idea. I was curious to see if that was true because I thought about trying it. Looked up the guys match history though and found that he usually died as many, if not more times as he got kills when he used it, and had lost the last 3 games where he tried it. I didn't post in the thread and use that as evidence to prove that he was wrong (I didn't post in the thread at all) but seeing those results made me realize that he might've had great success with it once upon a time, and simply remembers it being awesome, but that it probably was a bad idea from a reliability standpoint.

T RexHasTinyArms6/4/2015, 3:57:49 AM2 votes

I agree it was a pretty silly discussion (and if it's what I'm thinking of I was prob one of them), but I think that post was on the "hot" posting of the boards. If you're bored and just hanging out, then you might be inclined to random comment about stupid shit. Yeah it's great to have better posts than that to go through, but if it's posted on the front page and you've gone through the stuff you thought was more interesting, then sometimes it's just random discussion time.

Also if it's the post I'm thinking of it wasn't so much an argument over if a kda was good or not, it was one guy saying that 2 something KDA doesn't make a build good (it's not a super high kda, so it's more important how it impacted stuff, like if it's an assassin play style and you can close the gap and kill 2 carries but die diving them, then the play style is probably viable in higher ranks), and then people saying that the OP was right and it was an awesome kda and justified building that way as effective approach to climbing ranked. My posts prob weren't worded well to indicate it bc I was bored and not paying terribly much attention, but I'd say it's a legit point to note that an okay kda doesn't indicate a strat is good, w/out being able to define why it impacts the game w/out having a really good kda.

Wickedfates6/3/2015, 5:19:37 PM1 votes

riot has stated that they balance at plat+ (which is less than 10% of the player base if i remember correctly)... so riot has condoned this type of behavior... imo by balancing at plat+ they give people the right to some degree to bring into question the legitimacy of the players rank and how that relates to their idea....

i think its kinda wrong.... but there ya go.... i havent read the post yet, but if its in gameplay and balance, that is the current state of affairs, unless riot does something about it....

i dont think this applies for a kda, but the box has already been opened....

brad6/3/2015, 11:00:13 PM1 votes

who even cares

the internet is a shithole and this place is no exception

The Loveless6/3/2015, 11:19:25 PM1 votes

I can carry with AD Karma if the situation is right. I don't need GD's opinion.

XxCatatoniCxX6/5/2015, 9:33:40 AM1 votes

The boards turned into Reddit which is well a giant cancerous circle-jerk where if you disagree, like another team, play off meta, or what ever else you're somehow deserving of receiving a giant shit storm. It's fucking redic but the game itself is cancer incarnate with the most highly toxic community I've ever seen. Hell HoN wasn't this bad but what do you expect.

tbc566/4/2015, 6:26:11 AM1 votes

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So I just read a post about the viability of a certain champion if built full AD. Doesn't sound bad, but instead of commenting nice, clean stuff or anything of value, the people commenting proceeded to look up the poster's match history and began to insult him because it was not an "amazing" KDA. This sounds somewhat normal, but the issue here is that this continued for well over 30 comments. The original poster did not really bother to engage in the argument, as it had now turned into, but many other random people that had nothing to do with it did. It turned into about 5 different people arguing over whether or not a 2.something KDA was good and also arguing over whether or not averaging 18 kills a game was a feat. Seriously. Can we just take a moment to think about how ridiculous this is. Multiple people that had nothing better to do with their time decided to join in an argument they had no business being in. As the title states, stuff like this has to stopppppp.

I guess i'll bite the bait and reply. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bsrUJQPd-full-ad-darius-is-the-scariest-thing-in-league thats the thread that you're talking about, and if you take a nice look at it you can see that the very first person to mention number of kills and deaths in the game was in fact the OP in response to someone else stating that the strategy may work in bronze, but people at a higher elo will be smart enough to play around it. At the risk of sounding like an asshole: read the thread before you rant about it.

Arcus Diabolus6/4/2015, 6:40:34 AM1 votes

The worst part is if you are a support main. You will NOT have a positive K/D unless you are doing something wrong, which kinda sounds a bit backwards, but its the truth. Most mouth breathers will completely disregard your opinion and facts even if you are practically hitting them over the head with them at that point.

Doctor Dyment6/3/2015, 9:12:39 PM1 votes

I once made a post a while ago about how I wanted to work for Riot in the Lore department, but I didn't want payment for it. I said I just wanted to contribute a bit more than just playing the game. Immediately, I got multiple downvotes and people yelled at me for wanting to help Riot, despite the fact that I said that I really like everyone at Riot Games. What in the fuck did I do? But this is a trend that is painfully obvious if you look for it, and I really don't think it will stop anytime soon.