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Just a question about my ban.

Cryptekkk··1 votes·1,006 views

Well I'm not going to deny I didn't deserve the ban because I certainly did, I mean honesty is the best policy and I was toxic probably 30% of my games and I got banned and I deserved the ban so I will take it like a man. What I do have a question about is I would like to improve my behavior because I don't particularly want to get perma banned, my question is this, what is and what isn't considered toxic?

For example, I main ADC and if my support flashes level 1 into the enemy team, has happened to me before, without communication and then dies can I tell them they are an idiot? What about constructive criticism? What if I have a support that continually comes to my lane and has fed 3 kills in the first 10 minutes? Can I tell them to stop doing what they're doing? Can I tell them what they're doing is stupid? I mean where do you draw the line I suppose is my question.

I don't mean to ask this question as a way of avoiding responsibility for my ban, generally I just tell my feeding support that they are trash and to stop doing that. I mean that is honest right? Can I say they're playing like trash? Is that acceptable? I can see where insulting someone personally is wrong but is telling them their current play is garbage acceptable?

Again we all have bad games I don't want to flame everyone, in-fact the games where I am not toxic I am usually one of the nicest people in the game, joking and being polite, but some games people just do stupid things and it makes me rage. The key is to control my rage and I understand that, I just need to know what I can say and what I can't say.

My final question is there some way for me to check and see how I'm doing in regards to toxicity/not toxic before I get banned? I don't want to get perma banned when I'm trying to improve and don't realize what I am doing is toxic. Anyways... if someone knows for certain and can answer my questions I would appreciate it, I apologize to those whom feel wronged by me and I'll endeavor to do better.

Thanks -Cryptekkk

12 Comments

øutside1 votes

You cant judge anyones play, unless its positive. If you are negative at all through the words you type, you will get a ban eventually. I don't even type anymore, even trying to stay positive will sometimes get toxic team mates to turn on you.

Cryptekkk1 votes

So if my support is feeding uncontrollably and ruining the game for me I risk a ban for asking him to stop doing what he is doing? I don't want to report people for poor play because everyone has a bad game and that doesn't mean they deserve a ban, I also don't want my teammates doing stupid things and feeding uncontrollably either. So should I just remove my chat? Can't I get banned for not communicating to? It's like a catch-22 isn't it?

Jubbinaut1 votes

It's a kind of simple line. If what you're saying can be construed as rude, insulting, derogatory, berating, belittling, or - in a more general sense - negative (as in a negative tone or attitude), then it's potentially toxic, and you should probably not say it.

It's also not likely to be helpful. People don't respond well to that type of criticism, and - let's be honest, here - "stop doing what you're doing" isn't really constructive in the slightest.

One thing to remember is that truth and toxicity are not on the same scale. They're completely unrelated. So while what you're saying to that imaginary support might be true it can also be toxic.

Cryptekkk1 votes

That doesn't help though, if my wife asked me if she looked fat in a dress and I told her yes is that being toxic or is that being honest or both? Obviously I would never say that to my wife but the point is different people react to things differently. If I was playing and doing something that is going to lose the game for my team I would want to be told not to do that, I wouldn't want to continue on in ignorance because I want to improve.

As far as telling someone not to do something, yes it is constructive. If your support is taking the farm what are you supposed to do? Smile and accept it? That's not a very smart move if you want to win. The support isn't just hurting you he is hurting your team in the long run. You can't just say shut your mouth and deal with it if you want to win.

I guess ultimately it comes down to winning, is wanting to win even appropriate? It seems like Riot has set-up a situation where if someone is offended in the least that the person offending them is toxic, even if that person is just trying to win the game and telling them not to do something that is hurting the team/their chance of winning.

I would like to reiterate that when I was being toxic I wasn't being nice about things, it wasn't so much telling someone not to do something as it was telling them that they were trash, which isn't acceptable and I understand that. I just want to understand, to the fullest extent, where the line of toxic chat is drawn. I will say I never used derogatory slurs or terms and only rarely got mad enough to cuss someone out, in general I stuck to calling someone trash, which to me isn't nice but it isn't "toxic" as I would consider calling them a homophobic or racist term would be considered toxic.

Anyways I appreciate the viewpoints and at minimum at least I am seeing what the community at large has to say, I would still like an official post or something but I doubt that I will get one of those, thanks folks.

Jubbinaut2 votes

That doesn't help though, if my wife asked me if she looked fat in a dress and I told her yes is that being toxic or is that being honest or both? Obviously I would never say that to my wife but the point is different people react to things differently. If I was playing and doing something that is going to lose the game for my team I would want to be told not to do that, I wouldn't want to continue on in ignorance because I want to improve.

Again, truth and toxicity are not part of the same scale. They're independent of each other, and the value of one is entirely irrelevant to the value of the other. It's possible to tell the truth while being toxic about it. It's possible to tell the truth without being toxic. It's possible to lie without being toxic. It's possible to lie while being toxic. There is no point where the measurements of truth and toxicity intersect.

I genuinely don't understand why people think it's okay to say shitty things to other people just because it's true. I don't care if it's true. They don't care if it's true. And if it's so true, there's got to be some way to say it that's not so shitty, don't you think?

As far as telling someone not to do something, yes it is constructive. If your support is taking the farm what are you supposed to do? Smile and accept it? That's not a very smart move if you want to win. The support isn't just hurting you he is hurting your team in the long run. You can't just say shut your mouth and deal with it if you want to win.

Then address it. I didn't say there wasn't a constructive way to approach it, just that comments like "stop doing what you're doing" are usually meaningless to the person you're talking to. Be clear about what you want, and maybe don't be a jerk in how you say it. "Hey, would you mind not taking my CS? I really need to get farmed up so I can be useful later on, since I scale way better with items than with levels," isn't toxic. However, "stop taking my cs, asshole! /all omg gg this thresh worst support na" is. See the difference?

I would like to reiterate that when I was being toxic I wasn't being nice about things, it wasn't so much telling someone not to do something as it was telling them that they were trash, which isn't acceptable and I understand that. I just want to understand, to the fullest extent, where the line of toxic chat is drawn. I will say I never used derogatory slurs or terms and only rarely got mad enough to cuss someone out, in general I stuck to calling someone trash, which to me isn't nice but it isn't "toxic" as I would consider calling them a homophobic or racist term would be considered toxic.

The line is this: "Don't be a jerk." If you want it spelled out better, go reread the Summoner's Code. Aspire to that, and you'll be fine. Avoid insults. Avoid berating people and calling them out. Avoid belittling people. Avoid, y'know, jerkish behavior. That's really all there is to it.

Cryptekkk1 votes

Ok I see your point and I understand, the one thing I will say is I don't have the time to write a paragraph to my support about how I'd really appreciate him not taking my farm etc.., when you're in game you just can't sit there and type forever to someone. That being said I feel I have a firmer grasp on what is and isn't expected, I appreciate the feedback, thanks.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Fair enough. I wouldn't expect you to. I didn't really mean it as a perfect quotable kind of example, so much as to illustrate a distinction in tone. Usually when I'm actually in that situation I wind up saying something like "would you mind letting me farm, plz? I don't have a gp5."

I will admit that it's not very easy to condense positivity into short lines. Everyone I know has trouble with it mid-game. But it's not so difficult to manage neutrality. And, I think, that it's far easier to go that route (and certainly more effective) than it is to fall into negativity.

Good luck on the Rift.

Dr Jarjarbinks1 votes

1)Remember you are playing a game. 2)This game has players of a variety of ages.

If you still dont understand let me restate that in a slightly different way.

1)lol is not worth making another person feel bad about themselves and they may be playing for fun anyway so you dictating how they should play is nonsensical(they arent playing for you) 2) The person you get mad at might be 6 years old. Imagine a grown man getting in the face of a child for missing a basket in a game of horse.

If you try I think you can figure out how to behave in the future to avoid bans as well as being a less silly individual.

Cryptekkk1 votes

Yes I am playing a game, games are designed to be fun, when my support is feeding it is no longer fun. I agree I shouldn't make people feel bad about themselves, that isn't my question or argument, I never said I wasn't toxic I agree with the ban and I am fine facing my punishment, I just wanted clarification for the future.

The difference between a grown man getting in the face of a child for horse and the internet are a few things, one: most adults don't play horse with children, unless they are their own children or their children(s) friends. Two: internet is full of anonymity and if you play something on the internet you should expect for people to act as if there will be no repercussions.

Either way you didn't even address my point, indeed it seems you came here just to try and tell me how wrong I was but since I already agree with my ban that is pointless, maybe if you had something new to add to the conversation this post would be relevant but it doesn't do anything but tell me that I'm a terrible person, in this case I suppose I am. At least I am willing to change and seeking a little clarification.

Dr Jarjarbinks1 votes

I can see why you got banned. All you need to know is there if you cant see it Im sorry.

Cryptekkk1 votes

Does anyone happen to know how long it takes for you to go from a toxic player in the system to a non-toxic player? Also if I happen to have a bad game does that mean I'm going to be instantly perma-banned because of it? I'd like to reform but it is unfair to think everyone has a good game every single game, I'm sure I'll still rage occasionally I'm just going to try and do it as little as possible.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

make sure everything you say has a constructive purpose and do your best not to be rude about it. if someone is rude to you then do your best to ignore it and mute them if necessary.

if you want to joke around it's fine, just make sure your jokes aren't tasteless, racial, gender biased, etc.

essentially, act like you would in public.

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