Why are so many people giving up 10 minutes into games anymore? It's getting more and more frequent.

FlaminMoe·4/25/2015, 3:39:29 AM·37 votes·5,468 views

Who the hell taught these people that, if anything doesn't go right, they have to quit right away? For the past month, every alternate game that I have played has had someone give the WHOLE GAME AWAY by saying "gg" 12 minutes into the game.

I just had a teammate AFK because he didn't like my support choice. That's literally why he quit, 10 minutes in, lv 6 with an even score. Ruined the (ranked) game of 4 other players. Why do they queue up for ranked with this mentality? I just don't understand.

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Loken Stoneheart4/25/2015, 2:48:43 PM13 votes

I had a Chogath follow me around in my jungle and kill all of my camps because I asked why he was taking my blue instead of participating in the fight on blue-ramp.

People are dicks. Plain and simple.

And I'll be damned if I didn't carry that game. Why? Because I'm not some child that will throw because someone else is being a tool.

Project Riven4/25/2015, 9:47:35 AM9 votes

The epic'ness of a comeback has long been extincted. Nobody strives for that feeling anymore. People just want everything to be handed to them without trying. These people play this game to quit when the game becomes one bit unfavored.

Play for what it's worth. Don't have high expectations of others or the game. It's all gone.

MeatWandExpress4/25/2015, 7:22:29 AM3 votes

i think its the assumption that the enemy team will play intelligently with there lead.while i can understand 1 person being behind isn't a gg it gets more and more likely the more people are behind. like if ONLY bot is behind its not bad. if bot AND mid are behind its a real problem cuz that can also mean the jungler will be behind by default. and as u fall further behind it can be harder and harder to make plays and catch people. an added problem is most people in solo que arnt good at playing from behind and additionally will get flustered and argue with teammates over someone doing something wrong. this only further causes problems to team focus and moral. i dont like admiting this but alot of how a game will turn out is decided in the first 15 ish minutes. i think most people are simply assuming the enemy team will keep up there pattern and win overall and they would rather move onto a game they have a higher chance of winning.

this all being said. there is a difference between being pessimistic and being too stubborn to realize the game is lost. if ur down 2 drags and 6 towers by 15 minutes, lets be honest ur most likely not gonna win. its actually somewhat more annoying to see people always assume u can always make the magic comeback rather than saving the extra 15 minutes the game would last to put toward a new game.

Rico Nasty4/25/2015, 4:48:48 AM3 votes

I can understand people getting a little salty if, say, enemy team has 3 drags, your team is 0 kills and the enemy team is 15+, you're just getting stomped, but tbh every time somebody in botlane dies i feel like people are all "gg bg" "feeders" "bot always feeds"

Gwellaouen4/25/2015, 3:26:34 PM2 votes

Haha. Happens to me yesterday.

In the lobby, Vayne wants to mid but goes adc finally because another one wants mid Yasuo. In the meantime, that Vayne bans the poor Yasuo and didn't saw that the guy spam mid Yasuo like 3 times. XD''

In the game at 5 minutes, I miss some Q as Lux support. Vayne write in tchat: GG surrender at 20.

I have mute this Vayne. In the end it seems to have feed intentionaly all game because the deaths were pretty high and the cs was really low. But we won the game.

Ok, maybe I didn't play very well. Maybe I couldn't land a Q well after that Vayne trash talk to me before I mute her. But we won because two teammates as myself were actually playing.

These situations really piss me out too. Why people would surrender so early in game ? I don't know. It's like they don't want to play anymore. So why playing in the first place ? Just do something else in that case.

revliledpembroke4/25/2015, 7:00:58 PM2 votes

Well, I gave up at 14 minutes when our botlane both dc'ed and we were behind in kills for something like 4 to 20. Dunno if that's the defeatism you're talking about or just practicality.

Rikari4/26/2015, 12:09:29 AM2 votes

ive had 6 past games that were over by 20 minutes,move on

Z Statistic4/26/2015, 12:12:26 AM2 votes

I blame neutrality. When a game goes poorly, that is NOT the time to be silent. We all need to work on being encouraging because we're not going to come back if we don't make good plays, and we're not going to be in the mindset to win if we're all thinking shit. We all need to pipe up and encourage each other because that's what teams do.

Yormaughm4/25/2015, 6:11:30 PM2 votes

It's because they think they're math geniuses.

They think it's the World Series of Poker where if you don't have a 89% chance of winning you fold the hand and wait for the next one. What I don't know is how these people think they know the math behind what their "percentage chance" is of winning just because bot lane gave up first blood. Even in a worst case scenario where you only have an 11% chance of winning, you have a 0% chance of winning every game you surrender. Anyone who doesn't want to wait for a win is just selfish, but then again, that's the real reason isn't it?

The people who surrender early all think that they're the only person on a 5 man team who can win the game for you (especially if they're the ADC, the mid laner, or Riven.) Once any champion on the enemy team gets ahead of them, they give up because mathematically they don't win automatically. The thing they fail to understand is that even if you lose mathematically, teamwork, outplays and macro strategies still exist and can still get you a "net" win.

These people don't care about this, they just want kills, they don't want to "play" the game with actual skill, they believe that when champions clash in this game, mistakes are never made, misplays don't happen, outplays don't happen, strats that revolve around anything other than getting kills don't matter, and the team that is mathematically ahead wins 100% of the time. But that simply isn't true. Just because something happens most of the time, doesn't mean it happens every time. In fact, the further away you are from pro-level play, the more true what I've just said becomes too.

anding4/25/2015, 4:22:04 PM2 votes

remember kids, turrets win games, not kills. if for every kill you give up you deny them a chance to get a major objective (turrets, dragons or barons)/trade an objective for your death, you're still in the game.

Bard in a Diaper4/25/2015, 5:25:47 PM2 votes

it means they also have gotten sick of the spend 45 minutes for a hard earned ranked victory and then the next game you get some kid going 0-5 mid in 5 minutes and ruining the game for everybody, effectively wasting over an hour of my time because they dont have a basic understanding of the game.

masterdragon4814/25/2015, 5:53:42 PM2 votes

I would argue that it is due, in part, to the professional scene. When this game was new and there was no professional scene, there was a lot more variety. Now that professionals are getting paid to find the best winning strategies, these become the only acceptable strategies in the minds of the community.

In addition to this, I would argue that when you watch professional games, you don't see nearly the number of mistakes that you see in your average solo queue game. People become accustom to this and tilt a lot more easily. In professional games, one kill can result in the snowballing of the entire game. People get this in their heads, so when they see the same champ get a kill in their game, they think the same thing will happen.

That being said, there is a reason that the professionals are picking what they are picking. If you are last pick support on your team and your team has no tanks, I think it is your obligation to pick a tank support, regardless of who you wanted to play.

Lordofthepittt4/26/2015, 8:41:28 AM1 votes

I don't usually give up myself until I KNOW that we won't win unless the entire enemy team AFKs for 10 minutes or more.

For example, if its 30 minutes in and my team is down 2 inhibitors and one nexus tower, and down over 10 kills, I KNOW that we won't pull through that. We WILL lose unless the enemy throws harder than should be possible. Then I want to surrender. I don't wanna be stuck in a game for 20 extra minutes for no reason. Its just a waste of time at that point, and its honestly annoying having people say no. I really dislike the mentality that people seem to have these days where 'a games not over until we are all dead and our nexus is halfway destroyed hurr durr'

B1naryB0t4/26/2015, 2:36:07 PM1 votes

A lot of times I don't surrender simply because most people don't know how to end a game when they should.

Double Rainbow4/26/2015, 9:20:07 PM1 votes

It's frustrating, especially when I know we could win. I like playing late game carries, I main Karthus for example, and my ADC choice is Jinx. They both need certain items to reach their power spike, when I have a chance I can carry and we can win, but I hate when I have half build, and everyone is screaming 'X no damage, surr'. Maybe... just wait for that damage?

Qarekeo4/27/2015, 9:59:56 PM1 votes

Complaining and whining aside, I've definitely noticed a ton more surrenders this season than in any other. It's about to the point where the majority of games end in a surrender (from my perception).

I think it may have something to do with the changes to objective control. Now that dragon kills give permanent buffs and Riot's been pushing (no pun intended) split pushing, it's harder for a defending team to come back as a winning enemy snowballs and pushes the lanes harder and harder and gains even more power from the jungle monsters.

These changes seem to have made the jungle and map control more relevant (which I like) at the cost of comeback potential, so people are giving up earlier and earlier when they see a dragon go down early or people dying while laning.

It's not impossible to defend and counter a winning team, and there's been QoL changes for losing teams (like the gates on the new Summoner's Rift), but I think there needs to be a way for losing teams to take back control of their jungle so they can focus on things like pushing lanes of their own or even getting the two big bosses.

And that's ignoring the toxicity that's always been there and the balance of individual champions.

Bresn4/27/2015, 10:52:05 PM1 votes

This is why I want a earlier surrender system, especially when somebody is trolling or playing unseriously.

Ragnarok Alpha7/18/2017, 3:09:52 PM1 votes

Karma left. Varus says he does not want to play any more and thinks that it is okay to open Bot. Galio is a hypocrite saying Zed Varus should continue playing and yet votes yes on early surrender. Me as MasterYi showed them that there still is a decent chance of winning the game. Kills in total are in a 2:3 ratio in the enemy team's favor. We win a few team fights. Winning the last one ends up in a surrender vote. Team surrendered. Reporting me instead of the AFK Karma or the flaming Varus . ???????????????

Cybernetic Ghost4/25/2015, 7:18:50 AM1 votes

It's not just on SR, dude. Happens in ARAM too--except that people say "gg" about 5 minutes in...

JRobin314/25/2015, 2:00:00 PM1 votes

I don't really feel that it is any more or less frequent, but it is always annoying.

warpenguin5554/25/2015, 4:23:50 PM1 votes

ya they like to quit before the teamfights start, and generally the side that wins the teamfights wins the game

TenSlashTen4/25/2015, 5:31:35 PM1 votes

the comeback feel died with me in season 2 when tank items got targeted No more "well that idc does have one more item but I've got warmongs+thornmail+randuims so Maybe I can tank him enough for the other guys to kill.

Nope.

If blade didnt exist I might want to try but so far. so many bot lanes make the games end before the 20 minute mark now a days because everyone wants to jerk off to early game.

So hard to go against IE rush when all you got is armor boots and your cinderhulk when they buy IE and are doing 200+ crits while you get kited.

Before lucian/graves/any adc with a gap closer that wasn't trist there really wasn';t that many adc's that kited you forever and it was fine because there wasn't a million gap closer tanks that exists either.

There were bruisers like jax/irelia but malphite top was played and that shit on both of them pretty easily. It still does. So does trundle.

Despite all the help to tanks the only roles that still actually matter are mid and adc.

DexterousGecko4/25/2015, 11:58:37 PM1 votes

Was trying a new jungler in a normal game (think it was skarner). Didn't really gank much at first, had a slow start and lanes didn't look good. at level 6 our vlad decided I wasn't ganking enough and proceeded to follow me bot just to watch me gank and fail and laugh at me in chat (of course he didn't help with the gank). He then followed me around trying to steal jungle camps for the next 15 minutes. I'm not sure what I did to make him so angry. People always find reasons to give up sooner than they should.

that said, 5 - 20 they've taken 6 towers to our 0, 20 mins in, I want to /ff.

JimmyNtheKudos4/26/2015, 12:42:20 AM1 votes

Last game I played, we lost a team fight and immediately someone called for surrender. We lost that game. We probably would have lost anyway, but it's hard not to think that if team morale wasn't low the game could have been won.

soulbanana84/26/2015, 1:15:53 AM1 votes

I really hate it when people throw in the towel too early. It's a reason as to why I'm playing PvP less often and switching back to bots. I've only managed two comebacks, and if it weren't for the fact that I was with two people pre-made, it might have been a lot worse(I am the Zed. The two I've had as partners were Vi and Teemo). http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1800233722/206525578?tab=overview (I'm pretty sure the names were censored via summoner 1, 2, and so on)

jama6554/26/2015, 1:26:08 AM1 votes

As a person who quits at 10 i will explain it feel free to down vote me if you see fit

The way i see it is how the game is progressing and how we play ex. its 10 min and your top is 0/5 begging for a gank and your junglers farming has ganked one lane in 10 min, now if all your other lanes are ahead and you have a drag or something this is no need to /ff but if all your lanes are shat upon and things are just going down hill this is just a foreshadowing of the future, thus /ff at 20 stop wasting all of our time pulling this game by the hair until they blow up our nexus...

in all honesty when i play a game of league im constantly looking at other lanes to see how things are going pinging all around trying to do my best in the game im in even if ive decided to surr at 20. I constantly look at the match ups that have been layed out before me and do my judgement based on that and how we are performing both solo and as a team. i dont go afk but im sure as hell not happy to stay in this 3-17 game where we have no turrets and they are taking our inhibitor (3-17 is just a wild number dont think to deep on it)

May not be the answer anyones looking for but this is just me if ive decided to surr its only because ive looked at the bigger picture and see no winning in sight {{summoner:17}} {{summoner:2}}

BeatzBoyFTW4/26/2015, 4:03:50 AM1 votes

If I see you not knowing how to juke/dodge Blitzcrank 's pulls times in a row, then this match isn't worth it with you, the ADC Kalista , dying all the time.

EL HAMSTERO4/26/2015, 4:17:12 AM1 votes

I play chess on chess.com. it is the same kind of matchmaking system they use for LoL except you can see your rating. when I feel like getting some wins I just surrender after 1 move over and over again. my mmr drops. then when my rating is where I like it I play some games and I win a very high % until my rating gets back up to where it belongs.

this same idea works in LoL. surrender a lot. surrender even games you are winning and your mmr will get low enough where you can have fun games crushing your enemies. this is the only way to win more than 50% in this game.

Machaggis4/26/2015, 7:21:01 AM1 votes

Happens in aram way to often. I don't care how bad we are losing one ace can change everything. That's universal for all modes.