HOW RELIABLE ARE GUIDES AND STREAMS

andydaclown420·Jan 22, 2016·1 votes·566 views

hi community i was wondering if anybody could answer my ?s...as i said in older posts im a newer lol player i was wondering how effective it is if you spend time not playing and just reading about guides and watching streams...i like to read ALOT of guides my favorite sites would have to be (http://www.lolking.net/guides/) (http://www.lolpro.com/)(http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/browse) i also watch a couple of streamers couple i like are (http://www.twitch.tv/sickmotionlol/profile)(http://www.twitch.tv/valkrin/profile)(http://www.twitch.tv/lolgeranimo/profile)(http://www.twitch.tv/imaqtpie/profile) anyways on to the actual ? i was wondering if im going to get any better if i keep this routine by reading and watching how i can fix and change my game everyday

13 Comments

Sona PingJan 22, 20162 votes

That is too hard to answer. Because how reliable something is, that is going to be dependent first and foremost on who it is. You could have a guide that is well written, or a streamer who is entertaining, buuuut they could also be an idiot. It's unfortunate because this is not a good answer, because it's not a solution to your question, but it's the reality of the situation.

I want to strongly dissuade anyone from using mobafire. I've seen nothing from its results except that it teaches people bad habits (and can even cement up their thinking and lock them into wrong ideas.) The most obvious worst thing about it is that discourages new players from learning how to build and that is very, very bad. It teaches players bad habits, it makes them think "builds" are a thing. So they go into their games, they follow their build, and they do bad and lose because of it. Because they aren't thinking, they are following the build and they make poor choices because the things they are doing are poor choices in that game. But they are "followin' the build" so they do it anyway.

And I will disagree and not recommend Pants Are Dragon. He's a good player, and I am sure he is good guy and fun and all, but he is not a good teacher. His teaching videos (the ones I've seen, ofc) are not useful ("Oh? Randuin's is a defensive item that is good against physical damage, thanks for telling me. /s"). And I've seen and played in low-level games where people play, like, Jungle Talon, because they were encouraged by his videos to do so and the results were predictably as bad as one would think.

andydaclown420Jan 22, 20161 votes

ty i was hoping for a better answer but that's ok anyway... i know i'm not going to get better by watching streams on game play but it still teaches the strategy part of the game and that's the part i like the most is how competitive lol is...so what yer saying is i shouldn't rely on my builds system and focus more on the mechanics of the game like dodging and reading the map better maybe...i like to think valk is very informal in his steams and that i actually learn things from him every time i tune in for his streams.

Sona PingJan 22, 20161 votes

I don't know who valk is so I can't talk on that, but if you like him, you learn things, and he makes you excited about League, well, I'll call that a good thing.

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so what yer saying is i shouldn't rely on my builds system and focus more on the mechanics of the game like dodging and reading the map better maybe...

No, though dodging and map reading are important things to work on. What I am saying is that people should not be using MOBAFire. They should not because of what that encourages. It puts them into a mindset of picking "a build" (a set of items, abilities, and so on) and following it and doing that inhibits their learning, they do that instead of learning how to build and how to make the decisions which are core to playing the game. In League of Legends you don't follow "builds", that's not how the game works. You build an item and you choose the items that you will build depending upon your champion, depending upon your lane, depending upon your match-up, depending upon the scenarios that you find in the game and depending upon the context of the game as it develops. THAT is what a new player is supposed to be learning in order to get better at League and MOBAFire ruins that.

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. P.S. And to make it worse, instead of helping players learn it gives a series of instructions that are frequently written by idiots who can't even write their own guide correctly. I've seen a top rated guide where they mess up the ability leveling from one section to another.

andydaclown420Jan 22, 20161 votes

ty and i'm starting to understand don't use mobafire hahaha...i understand the concept of the game where running different things varys from game to game but what i think i need to put a little more attention to the champion counter picking because (not saying this happens every time)but when i'm in lane i can't do anything because either the opponent is playing very aggressive or i do very little damage to him meanwhile there poking me for loads of damage

ZalieriJan 22, 20162 votes

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That is too hard to answer. Because how reliable that is going to be dependent first and foremost on who it is. You could have a guide that is well written, or a streamer who is entertaining, buuuut they could also be an idiot. It's unfortunate because this is not a good answer, because it's not a solution to your question, but it's the reality of the situation.

I want to strongly dissuade anyone from using mobafire. I've seen nothing from its results except that it teaches people bad habits (and can even cement up their thinking and lock them into wrong ideas.) The most obvious worst thing about it is that discourages new players from learning how to build and that is very, very bad. It teaches players bad habits, it makes them think "builds" are a thing. So they go into their games, they follow their build, and they do bad and lose because of it. Because they aren't thinking, they are following the build and they make poor choices because the things they are doing are poor choices in the game. But they are "followin' the build" so they do it anyway.

And I will disagree and not recommend Pants Are Dragon. He's a good player, and I am sure he is good guy and fun and all, but he is not a good teacher. His teaching videos (the ones I've seen, ofc) are not useful ("Oh? Randuin's is a defensive item that is good against physical damage, thanks for telling me. /s"). And I've seen and played in low-level games where people play, like, Jungle Talon, because they were encouraged by his videos to do so and the results were predictably as bad as one would think.

Totally agree!!!! Played pantheon wrong for a long time until a ranker showed me how to play him properly

FurretHasAGlockJan 22, 20161 votes

A good idea is to make custom matches if you need to learn some mechanics. For example, need to practice riven animation canceling? Go practice on custom.
Watching streamers doesn't really improve your gameplay, GUIDES however, can help you learn tricks to get better, while they cannot improve your overall gameplay. I recommend watching Pants Are Dragon, as his guides are very informational.

andydaclown420Jan 22, 20161 votes

ty for quick reply...i will give pants and dragon a look

FurretHasAGlockJan 22, 20161 votes

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ty for quick reply...i will give pants and dragon a look

*pants are dragon :P sorry i'm kinda ocd.

andydaclown420Jan 22, 20161 votes

ya srry that was kinda dumb hahahaha

Worst Kench NAJan 22, 20161 votes

I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ARE PRETTY RELIABLE. THEY DEFINITELY HELP TO POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

ZalieriJan 22, 20161 votes

popular streamers with high rank are good to watch. Mobafire isn't really good. Some guides that are highly rated can easily be misinformed. Honestly, play the game and you will see the strengths and weaknesses of characters, as well as situational build paths.

andydaclown420Jan 22, 20161 votes

i think im getting the point haha no more mobafire ty for the reply...i'm still really weak on counter champions when we're done with laning phase what i should attack and what not to...