Against the thieving hordes of junglers

Chez Moustache·11/2/2013, 1:08:51 PM·2 votes·1,117 views

Hello and welcome to this discussion everyone. I created this to provide suggestions for junglers that need help even if they don't know it. I myself jungle sometimes, and I try to follow these rules because I find that my laners hate me when I don't. So please, read on.

 Firstly, your job is to assist your laners so that they will win their lane. There are many ways to do this. You can give them buffs, gank their lane, and get them fed in general. Let's talk about getting them fed. When you come in for a gank on someone who's at about half health thanks to the laner, do you take the kill? Even as they continue to damage the enemy on their way down? So, we're looking at about 75% of the damage done to that enemy coming from the laner, not you. And yet, you take the kill, some cs, and then run away. To put it in simpler terms, you steal their kill, steal their cs, and then leave.

 Now ask yourself this. How is your laner getting help from you if you take everything that is theirs? You should try to give your laner the kill. They need it more than you do currently. I'm not saying that you should never get a kill. If that were the case, then you wouldn't be any good late game. But, your laners are the ones going head on with the enemy early game where as you are not. Give them the kill so that they succeed early game and can then proceed to feed you mid to late game.

 Now, there are some exceptions to this. If your laner sucks and he's feeding, then please don't don't give them the kill. They'll just feed the money right back to the enemy. You're helping your laner in this way, too, because you're preventing them from feeding the enemy and you (someone who is hopefully not bad at the game) is getting fed and can carry the one lane. But, if you do kill the enemy in lane, then please do not take the creep score! First you take their kill money and now you feel that you have the right to take their farm money as well? That's just common courtesy, so don't do it.

 Next up, let's talk about buff giving. Let's get one thing straight before we start this section, though. The jungle is your lane (kind of). You control everything that happens in it and the laners have no right to request anything from the jungle. That'd be like mid lane just abandoning mid and going top just to take some cs. So, while you are not obligated to give the laners anything, think about how much it will help them early game if you do.

 Now, let's talk about blue buff. Typically, you give it to the mid laner. Do they really need it? No, but it sure does help. The first set of buffs are yours of course, but the rest you can decide what to do with. I play mid lane frequently, and it has taught me to play conservatively with my mana. Mid laners should just get accustomed to never getting blue buff. I never even think about blue buff as I'm laning, because I have no right to it. If my jungler wants to give it to me, that's great! I'll take it! But, I know that I can play without it as well.

 So, if you want to give your blue to mid lane, examine the evidence first. Are they losing their lane really badly? Do they die every time they look at the enemy? Are they constantly flaming the entire team in the chat for things that are their fault? If you answered yes to any of theses questions, then congratulations! You get the blue buff! If you let them have it, it's probably going to end up on the enemy mid laner. In some situations, you should give it to them anyways (analyze the situation and determine if they're bad because they don't have blue or if it's because they're just bad). Just use good judgement.

 On the other hand, if your mid laner is evenly matched with theirs or winning their lane, you should give them that blue. It's gonna give them the upper hand. Chances are, their jungler will give blue to mid lane as well. If they do and your laner isn't losing, then you should give them the blue. I've played countless games where even if I'm better then the other mid, they're pushing hard because they can spam their abilities and I'm out of mana due to having to stay in lane and defend because the enemy hasn't recalled so I therefore can't as well. No matter how conservatively I play, when I eventually run out and they don't, I can't leave because they'll destroy the turret but I can't do anything either.

 On the subject of red buff, just follow the same rules. But, I find that ADCs never ask for red. If they do, then give it to them (as long as they meet the previously stated material), but otherwise, just take it. You need an edge somehow as well.

 To carry or not to carry? That is the question for this section. There comes that time, about 10 minutes into the game, when your lanes are very evidently feeding or very evidently winning. If your lanes are doing fairly well, then you should just continue to feed your lanes as many kills as possible. But, if they're losing, then you need to initiate carry mode. It is very difficult for a jungler to carry three dead lanes, so it helps to find that one lane that's not that bad.

 I like to jungle as Shaco. He's one of my favorites. I was in a game like this a while ago, and I managed to carry us to victory. All of my lanes were bad, except for a Garen on top lane (because, you know, Garen), so I fed him and myself as much as I could. While Garen killed everyone that tried to destroy our inhibitors, I backdoored with my clone and killed their nexus. This strategy would obviously work differently for other junglers, but the concept is the same. My other lanes hated me in this game...until I won the game for us. You just have to ignore the flamers. They're yelling at you because of their problems. They're looking for a scapegoat and, if the support hasn't died once, then the jungler is their target. Ignore them and show them how good you are by winning!

 On the other hand, be careful doing this. It is extremely hard to carry your team. If you can feed your team and get them to win, then do it. I played a different game as Shaco where I only got a few kills. I fed each of my lanes so hard that I didn't need kills, they destroyed each fight on their own. I died more than I killed anyone. I actually had the most deaths on the team, but that was because I gave almost every kill to the laners. Instead of saying how bad I was, they recognized my presence in all of the fights as being nothing but helpful and they ended up liking me very much in the end. Both of these strategies have the same outcome, but you need to learn how to do each one to help your team win the game.

 Now, I understand that this is a team game. I'm sure that some of you will use that argument to make some of these arguments null and void, and it's completely valid. None of this should really have to apply if you are all good at teamwork because you'll be able to make things like this work. But, there's a reason that some of us are in Bronze. I meet maybe a few people a day that actually work as a team. Others just do whatever they want and won't help the team. I feel like these suggestions would work better in a (Bronze) situation where teamwork isn't evident.

 That's all that I can think of for now. I recently played a game with an idiot Volibear running around stealing everyone's kills and then blaming us for losing. If you read the entire thing, then you are as boring a person as I and have no life, so congratulations! I am in now way a pro at this game (I'm in Bronze III with 0 LP currently...yeah) so please give me feedback and suggestions. I apologize for any typos or grammar mistakes and please reply with any other points you want to make about our friends in the jungle. Thank you for reading!

10 Comments

Zielmann11/2/2013, 1:51:29 PM1 votes

Please, please, please edit the post to put some paragraph spacing in. Remember that to space between paragraphs, you have to hit Enter twice. The preview below the text entry box is your friend!

There are some good points in here. But nobody is going to read the entire thing with the bigblockoftextofdoom formatting it has right now.

Halcione11/2/2013, 1:49:53 PM1 votes

Dude. Paragraphs. Please. Bad grammar is fine, but no-one wants to read a massive wall of text. I'm going to have to downvote you for the insane wall of text, but just so you don't get out of it empty-handed, I did read a few sentences and here's my reply to that.

Nothing belongs to anyone. Lane champion kills and farm don't belong to the laner, and jungle monsters and buffs don't belong to the jungler. This is a team game. You talk as if when the jungler takes a kill or farm mid that gold vanishes, because of course, the laner is the destined one to get fed and carry the other 4 sacs of sand. This is a terrible mentality to assume.

First of all, he takes the kill and a wave, yeah that's not as good for you personally, but you still got helped. The enemy laner is now dead and for his death timer duration you can farm freely with no repercussions, maybe take the tower down, if you were being pressured at your tower, this is a good chance to recall and heal up and buy without practically giving your tower away. You even got some assist gold. You don't end worse off if he takes the kill and a bit of farm, you just snowball a bit less.

Second, the gold still went to the team. So you're not completely decimating your laning opponent, so what? A fed jungler ganks harder, he'll be even better at it the next time he comes by and help you snowball even more. Gold in the jungler is also more useful globally since he roams more than any other lane. A fed mid-laner is a fed mid-laner, a fed jungler can potentially be a full fed team.

Thirdly, though I stand by the fact that nothing belongs to a player in specific, the jungler has smite. If you're going to be nasty to the guy with smite, specially as a mid-laner, you're going to have a bad time.

Lastly, ganking for you is only a part of the jungler's job. Not his entire raison d'etre. If you want a support jungler who just sits on brushes and gets tiny assist gold without taking farm, I hope you're fine with one of your team's main tanks/assassins having barely any items at all in the late game and being a waste of a champion slot.

The game is about acting as a team and knowing what to share. Everyone should be conscious of the power curves of their team-mates and try to optimize it. A good jungler knows to give a strong but mana-dependent mid blue, but a good mid-laner knows that if he doesn't need blue THAT much, the jungler can very well take it to keep his gold flowing. A good jungler knows when to mooch off a lane and how much, and also knows that if he's doing good but the laner isn't, it's sometimes wise to not take any farm. A good laner also knows that even if he was terrible at farming, chances are he's making tons more gold than the jungler, and giving him a wave when he does good ganks doesn't impair him too much.

Be a team player.

Chez Moustache11/2/2013, 1:55:32 PM1 votes

Hey guys, I'm really sorry about the paragraphs not doing. When I was typing it up it looked like I did paragraphs. Does pressing enter to a new line not work?