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Built a Tear on Draven, Reported for trolling.... ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Damagefox··6 votes·2,637 views

Yeah, the Title is correct. I was in a ranked match and apparently I noticed that when draven REALLY starts juggling those axes (I had 2 going at top speed) It really chews up mana. So I thought in order to help allieve that I would build a Tear of the goddess, and eventually move it into manamune. Well aparently to the other players on my team, they told me how No one ELSE EVER builds a tear on draven. and apparently I was reported for "Trolling". It didnt help that someone is spreading rumors that "If Draven catches an axe, your mana is refunded" despite the fact it says it NO WHERE ON HIS Q Description. It just means there is no waiting to throw another one. WHy? because I built an Item that worked for MY needs? This is seriously getting out of hand, this hive mind meta build BS. Like players arent able to have thier own build strategy, they arent allowed to build what may work for THEM. I remember playing annie and building a statikk shiv on her, I was reported for that despite the fact I was mopping the floor with anyone who came up on me.

This idea that Everyone has to build exactly the same, pre-approved, league pro certified Builds is getting rediculous. Like you are not allowed to build in a way that helps YOU win, You have to build the way -everyone else- builds. Getting reported, harrassed and flamed because I build an item that helps try and fill a gap or squeeze out a bit more damage in each attack despite it being an unconventional one (like Manamune on draven or Statik on Annie).

Is this what the league community is becoming. Where instead of trying new builds, trying new ways of building. Everyone has to build the same items on the same champ, I have to build the same items as everyone else because its how a champ is "supposed" to be built.

RiP Individuality. Playing league means you must conform to the hive mind or risk being reported.

Call it a vent, call it a rant. I am just sick of getting shouted down, insulted and degraded and ultimatedly reported because I build what works for me, unconventional items/builds, instead of conforming to the "pre-approved" builds everyone else uses.

18 Comments

Neo Cyrus4 votes

I took a look at your builds. If you were doing this outside of low Bronze I'd be 100% sure you were trolling. There's a difference between popular opinion/hive mind or just plain facts. It's a fact that a Tear is an incredibly troll item to build on Draven. I'm not going to sit here and write several pages, breaking down everything step by step for any layman to understand, explaining the reasoning and the math to show you it is a fact and not an opinion.

"Think outside the box", "Hive mind", "Meta sheep", all things I hear from Bronzies then they complain that it's fixed to keep them in Bronze. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean some things aren't proven facts.

Xonra4 votes

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I took a look at your builds. If you were doing this outside of low Bronze I'd be 100% sure you were trolling. There's a difference between popular opinion/hive mind or just plain facts. It's a fact that a Tear is an incredibly troll item to build on Draven. I'm not going to sit here and write several pages, breaking down everything step by step for any layman to understand, explaining the reasoning and the math to show you it is a fact and not an opinion.

"Think outside the box", "Hive mind", "Meta sheep", all things I hear from Bronzies then they complain that it's fixed to keep them in Bronze. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean some things aren't proven facts.

It is probably better to actually give reasons why then insult someone calling them a troll or a "bronzie" because you disagree. Maybe he legit doesn't know it sucks (I'm not defending, him, just your approach kind of proves his point).

Suggest something similar like I did with Essence Reaver and explain how you can't rush a tear in bot lane compared to mid, cause you will not be able to farm as well, and you will be much slower to being relevant, unlike specific mids that do it and can farm a bit easier under tower with spells.

You don't need to write pages to explain something like a normal person. Hell, you could explain and help in less words than it took to post the way you did.

This is why this community frustrates people.

  • Someone calls someone a troll
  • that person complains because they wanted to try something different
  • then someone like you just calls them out again being more rude

It just gets worse and worse because no one is willing to be helpful instead of trying to call someone out because it makes them feel better to call someone out over the internet.

Gaston du Coteau5 votes

You're talking nonsense. The OP clearly refuses to listen, just like every other Bronze ever, which is why they're Bronze. Just look at this thread alone, the guy is trying to justify why Tear is a good idea when it's fucking retarded and a half. And Bronzie is not offensive, it's shorter than saying Bronze player. You can call that guy a Platie and I'm sure he wouldn't give a shit just as you can call me a Smurfy and I wouldn't care. You filthy Silvie.

It's not our job to hold the hand of someone who refuses to listen and spend an eternity explaining why the sky is blue when only to hear him adamantly say it's not followed by a completely retarded reason why. If he doesn't want to listen that's his problem and he'll eat the criticism for it, you hippy.

TL;DR - The moral is don't come crying about something when the problem is yourself and includes your refusal to listen or learn.

Xonra3 votes

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You're talking nonsense. The OP clearly refuses to listen, just like every other Bronze ever, which is why they're Bronze. Just look at this thread alone, the guy is trying to justify why Tear is a good idea when it's fucking retarded and a half. And Bronzie is not offensive, it's shorter than saying Bronze player. You can call that guy a Platie and I'm sure he wouldn't give a shit just as you can call me a Smurfy and I wouldn't care. You filthy Silvie.

It's not our job to hold the hand of someone who refuses to listen and spend an eternity explaining why the sky is blue when only to hear him adamantly say it's not followed by a completely retarded reason why. If he doesn't want to listen that's his problem and he'll eat the criticism for it, you hippy.

TL;DR - The moral is don't come crying about something when the problem is yourself and includes your refusal to listen or learn.

Zero people have tried to give alternatives or actually explain anything. Just go to "you noob" and insults. But feel free to continue to be a d-bag for zero reason.

This is why this community is shit. No one wants to do anything but jump on whatever they disagree with and insult insult insult. It "isn't your job" to explain and hold someone's hand, but you sure seem to think it is your job to hop on here and spend more time talking down to someone than it would take to just explain something. Seriously, you realize how dumb that is right? You can't be bothered to help, but you are more than happy to insult. Says a lot about the people in this community right there.

It isn't your obligation to help as you seem to think, but for some reason you people think it is however your obligation to talk down to everyone and anyone.

This place is legit starting to depress me.

Damagefox1 votes

Dont worry, I am not surprised by this person's response. I have seen it so often in matches. I learn what I can, But his response is kind of standard issue, not just in forums but in game as well. Instead of suggesting alternatives to help someone improve, people like him will immediately jump on the "insult/degrade you till you play better" bandwagon. I mean in matches I have seen countless "OMG Look at this noob's build" comments. and rather than perhaps suggest alternatives, they will just focus on that, tearing a person down, which stresses players out and causes them to make foolish mistakes. Those mistakes then allow other players to go into a cycle where they trash you for that mistake, which stresses/frustrates a person even more and causes them to make even more mistakes, which leads to MORE insults, degrades, flames.

TL:DR The comment doesnt suprise me, Rather than help people on forums or in game, players would rather insult and degrade than suggest alternatives and help thier community improve.

Best Darius KR2 votes

Well, yea, building Tear on Draven is shit.

You're supposed to catch the axes, which means you don't need to ever use your Q.

On the other hand, Building wrong/different items is not a reportable offense. Who knows, it might work better than the default build and start being the new standard for that champion! Anyway, don't worry about those reports.

... just .... know that Tear is not a good item on Draven.

Damagefox2 votes

Well My goal is to ultimately build it into manamune and activate its toggle during teamfights. really helps take bigger chunks out of thier HP

Anomander2 votes

Just to be constructive about this.

The reason tear should not be built is because once you have two axes spinning you don't need to recast it to gain the bonus. It just becomes a waste. Since you don't have to recast it you don't lose mana. The mana cost is not reapplied on each auto just on initial cast. A better item would have been essence reaver although you will get flamed just as hard for that item.

The second reason is the muramana. Draven has no real special way of benefiting from the muramana passive. He has no on hit abilities nor does he have a auto attack reset.

Damagefox1 votes

I will take that into account, and as for manamune, It does help take bigger chunks at least (bonus damage based on mana consumed) But It is something I will take into account.

Anomander1 votes

When I say that he ahs no special way to apply the muramana passive proc I am referring to outside of auto attacks. The most common people to use muramana are Ezreal and urgot. Ezreal has two single target spells one witch applies on hit so can really benefit and urgot who has a spamable single target spell. I have even seen ad cassiopie use it as her e can proc it. Ap ww can build a muramana as his ult will proc it 5 times.

Keep in mind all the build minus ezreal and urgot are totally off meta and will be flamed. However they are fun in normal with friends.

Xonra1 votes

Tear might not be the best to be fair, though not sure that is trolling. I'd try essence reaver (though I get shit for using that because apparently an LCS caster said it was bad or some such b.s.).

I get Essence Reaver on ashe sometimes, or if I'm in a lane where I need to harass a bit more with spells, maybe on Cait.

  • It is cheaper than bloodthirster by 300
  • same 80 ad
  • has 10% cdr
  • 10% less lifesteal cause of the cdr (a really good trade off in my opinion)
  • Instead of a shield it refunds mana on hit

Why more people don't like this item I don't know. I hear a lot how "expensive" it is, and just isn't worth it for the cost, when as I just showed, it is cheaper than BT, same AD, trade 10% lifesteal for cdr, and has on hit mana refund for champs that might be a bit heavy on the mana but auto attack a lot (like an Ashe).

Either way, try it out, I think you'll like it. Saves from having to get mana regen or something from runes or masteries like I've seen some people do, and you can stay in lane/go without backing much longer with lifesteal AND mana refunding on hit.

Damagefox3 votes

The point I was more going for is that People are treating anyone who -Doesnt- build the same as everyone else as trolls. Either you build meta, build how the professionals build or such...Or you get reported for trolling. Like no one is able to have thier own build, they have to build ONLY what the community approves of.

Yes Tear may not work for everyone, But my strategies and builds, tear definately helps so that I dont run out of mana as fast, and besides, I tend to build both Tear > Manamune AND Essense reaver.

I am just trying to say the community seeths and froths at anyone who wants to explore a unique build, or any build that is different than the norm. Rather than trying to help the find out how to make the build work and where it falls apart, they resort to insults, degrading, flame, toxicity, and if all else fails, will report thier "build' as trolling.

Xonra1 votes

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The point I was more going for is that People are treating anyone who -Doesnt- build the same as everyone else as trolls. Either you build meta, build how the professionals build or such...Or you get reported for trolling. Like no one is able to have thier own build, they have to build ONLY what the community approves of.

Yes Tear may not work for everyone, But my strategies and builds, tear definately helps so that I dont run out of mana as fast, and besides, I tend to build both Tear > Manamune AND Essense reaver.

I am just trying to say the community seeths and froths at anyone who wants to explore a unique build, or any build that is different than the norm. Rather than trying to help the find out how to make the build work and where it falls apart, they resort to insults, degrading, flame, toxicity, and if all else fails, will report thier "build' as trolling.

I know, I just figured I'd try to be helpful with something similar was all.

Rueian1 votes

you cant get banned for building off meta, people will just get butt hurt.

Lauricella31 votes

if you feel you are running oom on draven, (which is fair since his ult costs over 100 mana) a item 3078 would be much more useful than a muramana.

Ravenhale1 votes

I think choice of builds really comes down to what you are sacrificing by picking certain items.

For Instance, I build my Miss Fortune as a Hybrid. I do this because her kit can make use of it. Unfortunately, I recognize that by doing so I immediately drop her out of contention for becoming a dominant ADC for my team. She ends up more of a "tenderizer" that can shred pretty decent in a team fight, but won't be killing much of anything on her own. This is fine for me since it matches my play-style. But my team would be better off with someone else running the ADC role.

So what are you sacrificing by building this Tear? A tear is worth only 720 gold, so you are almost a pickaxe behind the opposing ADC. They do more damage per second with auto attacks. You may get off more abilities, but I'm sure the math is going to favor the heavier auto attacks once your cooldowns are figured. This is probably why you are being told it is a terrible item to build, especially if it is your first item.

As an ADC, I believe the accepted focus is to work on items that increase Attack Damage, Attack speed and Crit Chance. You are meant to be using your ranged auto attacks. I have somewhat embraced this concept with Ashe, though I still pick up the Spell Thief's Edge at the start (which I don't upgrade anymore). Like you, I was running out of mana with her during the early game, though it was due to using Volley way too much. I probably don't need it, since I rarely OOM now that I auto attack more. I'm sure I would get reported for trolling by starting with this dagger, but whatever. I go straight for Infinity Edge, so the only real loss is that I picked up a mana/gold item over Doran's Blade (which most people sell anyways). The attack damage deficit isn't horrid, and I'm trading mana/gold for health/lifesteal. As someone that hasn't perfected last hitting, the gold item is better.

I'm curious, but what sort of Defense items are you running with Draven?

Jubbinaut1 votes

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It didnt help that someone is spreading rumors that "If Draven catches an axe, your mana is refunded" despite the fact it says it NO WHERE ON HIS Q Description. It just means there is no waiting to throw another one.

That's not quite how it works. It only costs mana to activate the spinning axe. If you maintain it (by continuing to throw and catch them while the buff is active), there's no further mana costs. That said, the activation cost is huge compared to his mana pool, and his steroid is pretty expensive, too.

So, yeah, Draven can be a mana-hog - if you spam his steroid and/or suck at catching axes (like me!).

The real problem with building Tear on him, though, is one of tempo. Draven shines by shutting down his opponent. Being able to maintain his Spinning Axes allows him huge poke with little resource investment, and boost his gold gain compared to his opponent. It's important, then, to capitalize on this strong early game by snowballing it. Buying a Tear slows that down.

zanzagura1 votes

I agree. The hive mindset is VERY annoying to deal with I get reported for trolling like once every 3 games because i don't build the EXACT way in the EXACT same order as everyone else that plays them. The game has lost it's creativity almost entirely revolving around the meta continuously and as such the game loses about 75% of the fun. It really needs to stop or riot needs to address this or something. I had to empty out half my friends list cause half of them quit because of the repetitive item building. Just tried a stormrider master on yi and i would have been reported for sure if i didn't go 16/4/3

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