a bronze player finally getting to gold is a bigger improvement than a gold player finally getting

vampirekid13·Oct 24, 2016·1 votes·709 views

to diamond.

bronze covers 0 MMR to 1100 MMR.

gold to diamond covers like 1500 to 2400 MMR

this is funny because of a few reasons.

first is because if i asked you to tell me who improved most in this game, a b5 that got to gold 1 or a gold 5 that got to diamond 1 the answer would likely be the second, when in fact its the first.

the other reason is because bronze is so spread out that you can carve it into 3 distinct tiers by itself. which makes a terrible experience for bronzies.

8 Comments

Kitty WhiskersOct 24, 20161 votes

To be fair in higher elo's people get to the point where it comes down to how refined they have there fundamental's. A bronze player doesnt have said fundamental's i'd know. I spammed 300games bronze5(my first season playing) got to gold and quit as i wait for new season. To me gold players are easier than silvers(lol..). Anyway it comes down to alot of micro thing's whereas bronze/silver are learning the very basics of the game and improving them so therefore of course its a bigger improvement overall but doesnt mean its a better one.

vampirekid13Oct 24, 20161 votes

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To be fair in higher elo's people get to the point where it comes down to how refined they have there fundamental's. A bronze player doesnt have said fundamental's i'd know. I spammed 300games bronze5(my first season playing) got to gold and quit as i wait for new season. To me gold players are easier than silvers(lol..). Anyway it comes down to alot of micro thing's whereas bronze/silver are learning the very basics of the game and improving them so therefore of course its a bigger improvement overall but doesnt mean its a better one.

the main issue is bronze is too spread out, which results in very different experiences in bronze. one game you might have a b5 player that stomps everyone, and next game have a b1 player that feeds his ass off the whole game.

bronze should be, like all other divisions, covering about 500 MMR.

making bronze be:

b5:650 to 750 mmr b4: 750 to 850 mmr b3: 850 to 950 mmr b2: 950 to 1050 mmr b1:1050 to 1150

everyone below that should just be unranked until they get to that 650 MMR.

ShadòwOct 24, 20161 votes

Bronze 5 is actually about 900~ MMR

the MMR can drop down to 0 when you lose even more games at the bottom of the latter.

but normal MMR for b5 is about 900-1000(not sure about the exact numbers, but my point is that the average Bronze 5 player has far more than 0 MMR).

Also, MMR is always relative.

Challenger tier is about 2500 MMR.

So Diamond to Challenger covers like 400 MMR.

By your logic, an improvement from Diamond to Challenger isn't even worth as much as an improvement from Bronze to Gold.

Pretty much everybody can come to Gold, but not to Challenger.

vampirekid13Oct 24, 20161 votes

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Bronze 5 is actually about 900~ MMR

the MMR can drop down to 0 when you lose even more games at the bottom of the latter.

but normal MMR for b5 is about 900-1000(not sure about the exact numbers, but my point is that the average Bronze 5 player has far more than 0 MMR).

Also, MMR is always relative.

Challenger tier is about 2500 MMR.

So Diamond to Challenger covers like 400 MMR.

By your logic, an improvement from Diamond to Challenger isn't even worth as much as an improvement from Bronze to Gold.

Pretty much everybody can come to Gold, but not to Challenger.

it is actually impossible for b5 to be at 900 MMR when silver comes at 1150 and all other divisions cover about 100 MMR per division.

even if we assume its set up the way you say, silver is 1100, bronze 1 is 1000 to 1100, b2 is 900 to 1000, b3 is 800 to 900, b4 is 700 to 800 and b5 is 600 to 700, but this creates the exact same problem i just listed in bronze anyway.

ShadòwOct 24, 20161 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/b7faff889a20a6e07737cce5d82a93c1.png

apart from that, MMR still doesn't measure skill.

a MMR difference of the same value is actually a way bigger skill difference in the top tiers of the Ladder.

FlammableJimOct 24, 20161 votes

Hey mate, I can tell you now, it isn't, maybe in mmr, but that. Is just learning how to apply common sense, and table the obstacles,

But as you reach plat, the tension begins, I flew from bronze to silver, got stuck for a year, after a year, went from silver to plat, I don't even remember gold,

But now, it's not about skill, or common sense, it's about team work, consistency, producing results under pressure,

I'm nearing to diamond, and it's fkin hard

Im FateOct 24, 20161 votes

You do realize the higher you get, it is exponentially harder to climb. In low elo mistakes are easily fixable and you can quickly climb, but someone in master would have to play many many games to get to the next level.

PewsterOct 25, 20161 votes

I agree somewhat. The difference between bronze and gold is like someone playing with their feet vs their hands. Absolutely horrid. Plus, the majority of diamond 5 players only got there from mechanics which aren't that much better than that of golds.

However I disagree about your comparison from Gold 5 to Diamond 1 I disagree. That is harder than B5 to G1 b/c for a b5-g1 you are jumping from a 1 in 1 player to a 1 in 7 player, vs g5-d1 where you are jumping from a 1 in 3 player to a 1 in 1000 player