Ranked is Toxic because there's no consideration

Ternt··1 votes·328 views

I recently had a game where, I can only assume, I had a first time LeBlanc. She managed to do 2.9k damage in a 31 minute game. Keep in mind, my Thresh support did over 6k damage. When I noticed LeBlanc had not only died in lane 4 times, but wasn't even using her combo and looked like she didn't understand how her W worked, I asked her, "Have you ever played LeBlanc before?". Immediately this person gets pissed off and starts raging, but in all honesty, how can you not ask that question? I understand people have bad games or lane versus better people, but when somebody doesn't really have a grasp of the champion it makes you wonder why they even chose that champion to begin with? People say it's toxic to question a person on why they decided to play that champion, even if they had 3-4 other champs they're far better on to play, but why? I played top because nobody else wanted to, the 2nd pick decided to support so that 4th pick could mid, but the 3rd pick too mid instead. 5th pick wanted ADC, but had to jungle instead.

The thought process behind toxicity falls (usually) on the person who is getting flamed, because you screwed everybody over in champion select not wanting to play X role. So many times I've seen the last 2 picks having ADC/Support open, but 2nd pick taking ADC from last pick ADC main. If you're down 80 CS on ADC at 20, why didn't you play support when you were 2nd to last pick anyways? Of course that ADC main is going to be pissed off you took a role he could have done more in. If people didn't want to experience toxicity, you sometimes have to suck it up and play support. If you can't play more than 1 role, then practice other roles in normals. I know people will say it's pick order, but if you're playing to win, pick order shouldn't matter. If you want to climb, don't play what you "want", play what you're good at and what the team needs. An example of that would be if nobody called top, but you want to mid at first pick, understand that 4 people cannot play top very well. If it's your 2nd best position, you should play top because automatically forcing somebody into a lane they were doomed with to start is going to tilt them. I duo with an ADC main, and when we're last 2 picks, I know I am going support because his ADC is much better than mine.

TL;DR: If you're willing to screw the team over in champ select, you should be able to handle people being toxic towards you.

I know this won't be popular, but this is the truth why people get frustrated and become toxic in ranked. I see it time and time again and don't understand why people play sheep when their decision tilted somebody. I hope the new ranked system helps with this, because I feel like this is the biggest factor in a lot of games outcomes and attitudes. I'm ready for the Bronze downvotes.

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Verxint2 votes

I just want to help clarify:

The OP isn't really talking about calling people out for a bad game.

He's talking about people who make everyone else take suboptimal roles, just so they can have a suboptimal role for themselves that was someone else's best role.

Honestly this speaks to a bigger problem that people just can't seem to assess their own performance. I saw a low gold yasuo main with 300+ games and still a negative KDA and w/l ratio. I actually can't figure out why he would keep playing yasuo in ranked.

Ternt1 votes

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I just want to help clarify:

The OP isn't really talking about calling people out for a bad game.

He's talking about people who make everyone else take suboptimal roles, just so they can have a suboptimal role for themselves that was someone else's best role.

Honestly this speaks to a bigger problem that people just can't seem to assess their own performance. I saw a low gold yasuo main with 300+ games and still a negative KDA and w/l ratio. I actually can't figure out why he would keep playing yasuo in ranked.

Exactly. I know what champs I can and can't play in ranked, and I also know my weaknesses when it comes to things in-game. It's actively seeking an answer than continually doing it over and over hoping for a better result or less "toxic" people.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

I'm not Bronze, I downvoted you. That LeBlanc was terrible, no two ways about it. I'd have to wonder how you actually called them out on being new to LeBlanc... when people are playing badly, calling them out on it rarely if ever helps. I've had bad games, been behind on CS... and had other players call me out. My response. "I'm not helping the team, I'll afk". I was completely immature about it, so I just muted them and played out.

TL;DR Everyone has bad games; calling them out on it doesn't make it better and blaming them for your own toxicity doesn't make you right.

Ternt1 votes

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I'm not Bronze, I downvoted you. That LeBlanc was terrible, no two ways about it. I'd have to wonder how you actually called them out on being new to LeBlanc... when people are playing badly, calling them out on it rarely if ever helps. I've had bad games, been behind on CS... and had other players call me out. My response. "I'm not helping the team, I'll afk". I was completely immature about it, so I just muted them and played out.

TL;DR Everyone has bad games; calling them out on it doesn't make it better and blaming them for your own toxicity doesn't make you right.

It's not about calling somebody out, and if you think that was the point of the thread then you missed it. The fact people were fine taking other roles other than this LB ruined the game. Because the ADC fed worse than the LB did, but she didn't say she wanted to ADC initially. People just do anything so they don't support. I would take somebody who rarely plays support over somebody who doesn't know how to play ADC but took it just because. Had the LB analyzed the fact that her mid was weak, especially on LB and chose any other role open (jg, adc, supp), the 4th pick would have gotten their best role in mid and the last pick who mained ADC would have gotten ADC. But one person forced 3 people on roles they don't play a lot, when me and the 2nd pick were trying to take roles nobody else wanted. Most games that I play and our team stomps is because of this principle. The entire point was to show people how one person could ruin the game in champ select for the sake of dodging supporting.

EDIT: And I didn't "call them out", I just simply asked why they played LB if they didn't understand the champ. If that is toxic behavior, for asking somebody a simple question, then people really shouldn't play League. I've seen too many times where people say, "It's Zed's counter" and shit. In this elo, you get a lot of new players, and since I don't stalk people whenever I start a game, I never know if somebody is new or not. Since Silver 2 elo is about where you start after a fresh 30, it's not uncommon to have a teammate who is relatively new to ranked or 90% of the champion pool. I've never been chat restricted or banned for anything, as I usually don't talk in games. When I ask questions like this, it's to tell somebody that they might want to practice champs before heading to ranked or not to play into counters that you find on the internet. I tell people this because it's stupid mistakes I made when I started a year ago. I looked up counters and stuff, but soon realized that it didn't matter how hard I was countered by X champion, because if I was better at it than them, it didn't matter. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Saying facts to help somebody understand the game or get better at the game is completely different than saying, "Fucking noob LB, uninstall and drink bleach." like many other posts about toxic behavior are.

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