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Apparently, Riot knows what we want, and what we want isn't right. (Dynamic Queue)

Guy Fox Teemo··76 votes·4,253 views

"When it comes to a philosophical stance, however, we do want to be clear: we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue." -Riot Plz Post

This is probably one of the most frustrating lines to hear, basically this line says "We know more about what you want then you do."

The community think Solo Queue is a good measure of presenting a healthy, competitive landsacpe in League of Legends. Riot thinks dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends.

Do you have any reasoning behind why your stance would be better? Is not what the community prefers in terms of a competitive experience the better way to go? Sure I do think Riots stance on things like balance are better then the communitys, because they can look into that.

But Dynamic Queue and Solo Queue are just personal preferences, on how a person wants to play in a competitive ladder. And for the most part, the community wants a Solo Queue experience, they think that a competitive ladder is a way to show your personal skill in how good you are at the game; Yes LoL at its core is a "Team Game", but in the end there is no such thing as a true team game, thats why theres players like Faker or Stephen Curry, both AMAZING players in the sports they play, both play team games, but in the end an Individuals skill matters A LOT, and thats what a Solo Queue ladder represents, and thats what the community prefers in terms of an experience.

So why does a team of a few 10-20 developers (idk the #'s) get to decide the way players play in a competitive ladder? That should be chosen by the players, because it is representing of the players, not you Riot.

Players believe that a Solo Queue ladder better represents their individual skill in League Of Legends. If that's what the players want, in terms of their competitive experience, then that's how it should be.

P.S. Thanks to Gbay99 a popular youtuber that talked about this issue and gave a good explanation of the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RugYBvvKs3Q

TL'DR: The communitys prefered experience on a Competitive ladder is what Riot should make, not what a few developers thinking they know what we want better then ourselves.

61 Comments

ArlanKels20 votes

They do know what's better. It's why they promised Ranked in Dominion, put out Dominion... Never gave it Ranked.. Didn't support the community that formed after it came out. Shut it down eventually when the community withered up due to the lack of support from Riot.

See? They're geniuses.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

Do you come here to have a discussion on the topic or just to give a rant? Yes that was one of Riots mistakes and they're at fault for it, but that's a completely different discussion that was needed to happen at a different time.

ArlanKels6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=WvMy14RE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-04-15T21:42:47.214+0000)

Do you come here to have a discussion on the topic or just to give a rant? Yes that was one of Riots mistakes and they're at fault for it, but that's a completely different discussion that was needed to happen at a different time.

It's the same situation. The minority is angry over a choice by Riot and Riot is going to just shrug their shoulders and say "Get over it".

Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

Same situation different topic, Basketball, Football, both topics, both sports, same "situation" , the topic is different and neither needs to be discuss in either or thread, if they had their own "thread".

ArlanKels7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=WvMy14RE,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T22:11:21.015+0000)

Same situation different topic, Basketball, Football, both topics, both sports, same "situation" , the topic is different and neither needs to be discuss in either or thread, if they had their own "thread".

Wow.

See there's this thing people do when they have discussions that involves situations, or perhaps even simply personalities, and that is to use examples to help demonstrate their stance.

I used the example of the Dominion Fiasco(tm?) to help remind you that Riot does not nor will not care what the minority thinks or wants. So while you might want to say it doesn't hold any importance to your own comment it is a direct and flawless example of how Riot will do what they want and not what you want.

Dehitay17 votes

Oh god, that Gbay video just speaks straight to the soul. It's just heartbreaking to love a game so much and want it to succeed so badly and watch Riot do something that destroys one of the core values of the game and send it a step closer to failure.

TheTarians20 votes

It's like Blizzard with WoD,

Blizzard: "So we heard you wanted a fast and easy leveling experience that had 0 challenge to it and only 3 end game raids, no new battlegrounds and 0 cognitive story to it."

Community: "Who said this?"

Blizzard: "People"

Community: "Who?"

Blizzard: "People!"

I don't want Riot to become the company that thinks for its players and not from its players.

RoodToob1 votes

I feel you. That 6.1 "patch" and more apexes in Tanaan, ugh. The levelling wasn't that bad in WoD though, just fast. Neither were raids, they just got repetitive

franticFurball13 votes

Do you have any reasoning behind why your stance would be better?

Of course they have:

Providing an incentive to play with friends (because playing as a soloQ player is unfun) makes people recommend the game to more friends, and may get those people to buy RP, a) because they want to get the champions their more experienced friends recommend, and b) because "oh wow that skin totally rocks where can I get one???".

Or so, the hope goes. They think it will make more money.

What they didn't forsee in their "genius": This game lives off its massive popularity. And right now, given how agitated such a gigantic portion of their community is over this decision, I think that will drop veeeeeery quickly.

Once people realize that ranked essentially became just a glorified normal, not even the ESports scene will be able to halt the downfall. Because, whats the interest in a competitive activity, where its not able to be competitive as a singular player any more? This isn't football or baseball fandom...league, ESPorts as a whole are so popular because they allow easy PARTICIPATION in the competitive activity.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

Please no conspiracy's in a thread like this, Riots company goal isn't about making money or just being greedy, you have zero basis on that other then theory's and no solid evidence other then "CHROMA SKINS or BIG E$PORTS PLAYERS!".

I would like to have a real discussion on why Riot believes Dynamic Queue would be better when the majority of the player base does not prefer that competitive experience, that is the discussion, don't deter from it.

franticFurball10 votes

Riot isn't a company about making money

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

I let you in on a little secret my friend. You ready for it?

#EVERY COMPANY IS ABOUT MAKING MONEY. THAT'S WHY ITS CALLED A COMPANY, NOT A CHARITY ORGANISATION.

I would like to have a real discussion

If you want to have a real discussion, you going to have to accept real facts, like the definiton of a business company.

Riot Games has 1.6 BILLION $ of revenue (estimated) in 2015. Saying "they are not about making money" doesn't even hold up against a 2 second google-search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Games

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

Yes they are a gaming company, but they did not get into the business to make money, if you believe so that is your own problem, and a discussion for a different time, for a different post.

Also to add to the fact, League Of Legends the game made 1.6 BILLION $, Riot themselves didn't, Tencent the company that has a 100% share rate in Riot did. If it were about the money for themselves, Riot would have never partnered with such a company.

franticFurball12 votes

they did not get into the BUSINESS to make MONEY

Read your own statement again. Please, I beg you.

They did not get into business to make money. Uh huh.

Sorry, but one brand doesn't suffice here I think.

[zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm]

ArlanKels3 votes

{quoted}

Read your own statement again. Please, I beg you.

They did not get into business to make money. Uh huh.

Sorry, but one brand doesn't suffice here I think.

[zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm]

I've noticed he's a bit slow on the uptake if y'know what I mean.

ArlanKels3 votes

{quoted}

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

I let you in on a little secret my friend. You ready for it?

#EVERY COMPANY IS ABOUT MAKING MONEY. THAT'S WHY ITS CALLED A COMPANY, NOT A CHARITY ORGANISATION.

Technically... The NFL is a non-profit organization. The CEO ends up with millions every year.

Even a Charity company or a non-profit company is going to be about the money. Everything is about the money, because money is what puts food in your belly and keeps the candlesticks sparkling.

Cenobite Azaziel3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=WvMy14RE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T21:40:54.320+0000)

Please no conspiracy's in a thread like this, Riots company goal isn't about making money or just being greedy, you have zero basis on that other then theory's and no solid evidence other then "CHROMA SKINS or BIG E$PORTS PLAYERS!".

I would like to have a real discussion on why Riot believes Dynamic Queue would be better when the majority of the player base does not prefer that competitive experience, that is the discussion, don't deter from it.

Lol. No conspiracy. No evidences. Like there weren't any more cases like:

  1. Limited skins becoming legacy - Hey skins are about fun an self expression. Still no legacy championship riven. "Give us riot"- Ok have your IP back (because we KNOW we will make so much money with it you can shove your early suporter money up your a**.) Here, take this scribbles over your splashart. IT took us so much time to do it.- Gives a diferent color skin! - "Ehhh no, to much work. Scribles is fine- Some time later - "Oh hey there are the new Chromas!".

2- The tribunal - "Oh we are removing it to make some changes.....". "Oh yeah it is coming.. suuuuuuure".

3- Dominion as said.

4- Little to no followup in stashus cassiopeia rework. "Cassiopeia is RAMBO now! Hahahah so much fun". Guess what, cassiopeia is getting another rework.

5-Soloq is coming. Yeah it is! =D Please don't stop playing the game, we are going to shove down your throat dynamic queue until you love it.

6- Design your champion and the all refer a friend prizes. "We chose that prizes we didn't thought any one could do it. Soooo.... we consider it ILLEGAL TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO DO THAT, must must refer 1000000 friends that are close to you!"

I could go on and on and on.

TL;DR would be: Riot word has the credibility of a Bipolar, paranoid, drunk, patological liar, politician, toddler oath.

Trylobyte2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=WvMy14RE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T21:40:54.320+0000)

Please no conspiracy's in a thread like this, Riots company goal isn't about making money or just being greedy, you have zero basis on that other then theory's and no solid evidence other then "CHROMA SKINS or BIG E$PORTS PLAYERS!".

I would like to have a real discussion on why Riot believes Dynamic Queue would be better when the majority of the player base does not prefer that competitive experience, that is the discussion, don't deter from it.

  1. Making money is what companies exist for. Just throwing that out. They might have core values that aren't directly related to money, but ultimately a company has to make money to continue existing. That's why shopping at Whole Foods costs so much - They have a set of core values, but they still need to make money so they charge more.

  2. Do you have stats that say the majority of the playerbase doesn't want it? Remember, the forums are a small fraction of the playerbase, and furthermore are a specific demographic (so they're not even a representative sample of the community as a whole). Forums as a whole tend to be more negative for the simple reason that people who have nothing to complain about also have little reason to post anything.

I remember the old days in previous seasons where people, just as many people as complain now, would complain about why their rank in a TEAM game was determined more by the random vagarities of the matchmaking system ('Team too heavy, I can't carry this! Stop matching me with idiots!) than by their skill at the game. Many also pointed out that the solo queue format was grossly unfair to support and jungle roles, since they're far more reliant on their teammates to win than top, mid, and ADC and thus in a pure solo queue environment they will (on average) have a much harder time advancing.

You can't get everything. Something's got to give somewhere.

Lowvyr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=WvMy14RE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T21:40:54.320+0000)

company isn't about making money

wat

Shroom Junkie1 votes

They don't, that's the problem. They believe it will bring in friends and whatnot and people will buy RP for skins because of pressure from them.

Dynamic Queue brings in the need for other players. That makes people either invite friends or become friends. That puts pressure to buy skins. And then they buy skins.

Its not a conspiracy its literally what a company does and they have no reason besides. Hence why they've never given one.

Angry Monster5 votes

hats why theres players like Faker or Stephen Curry, both AMAZING players in the sports they play, both play team games, but in the end an Individuals skill matters A LOT, and thats what a Solo Queue ladder represents, and thats what the community prefers in terms of an experience.

Shows how clueless you are on this topic. Faker has been taking a supportive role this split in korea and let his adc Wolf and the new jungler Blank take the LEAD as the play makers. Right now SKT feel that the mid laner should be more supportive.

Therefore your argument is weak and shallow.

I also have a problem with

The community think Solo Queue

Lets start with their was never a solo q. Simple fact of the matter that premades were in almost every game, even if they never spoke up. Early season 1 riot had 3 man premades in rank. This myth about solo q is really funny since it has never existed and is being pushed by new players that should not be talking AT ALL.

Next thing wrong with that comment is that the community is not necessarily even in agreement on what is better. You people that cry out on the boards are as bad as our political leaders. You get really loud and everyone wishes that you would shut the fuck up. You do not speak for everyone and it delusional to think that you do. People post when they are complaining not when they are happy. And considering how few people post about the solo q thing, i would assume its a non issue for MOST people.

MrWasjig1 votes

And considering how few people post about the solo q thing, i would assume its a non issue for MOST people.

Have you seen the front page of the Boards in the last few weeks? Like, at all? Nearly every other thread is demanding SoloQ back or hating on DynoQ. Everyday there is a fresh one. So I don't know what rock you've been under since the start of the year :P Yes yes the Boards does not speak for the majority but when something is popping up so frequently and on a daily basis, you have to figure that something is genuinely up. (And also to clarify my position on this, I'm not on either side of wanting SoloQ back or DynoQ gone, I'm just pointing out that you're missing a big thing here)

Dr Birdie1 votes

More posts does not mean more people. People are making new posts to go with their old ones, the same hundred or so people are upvoting all of them.

I will overestimate to be safe and say there are MAYBE a little over a thousand, maybe two, people complaining about wanting SoloQ. But out of 64 MILLION people a little over a thousand doesn't really sway.

The fact of the matter is that implementing a SoloQ alongside Dynamic Queue would make everybody have incredibly long queue times, and make it harder to detect people breaking the summoner's code, as that would be another place they would have code in Leaver Busters and language detection, and ONLY having a SoloQ (which I see a lot of these boards posts suggesting) would be harmful to the majority of the playerbase.

So why in your eyes should Riot forsake 99% of their playerbase, and lose millions of customers, in favour of 1% of their playerbase who want a system that in Riot's eyes, isn't as good of a way of determining skill in a team game.

MrWasjig1 votes

So why in your eyes should Riot forsake 99% of their playerbase, and lose millions of customers, in favour of 1% of their playerbase who want a system that in Riot's eyes, isn't as good of a way of determining skill in a team game.

So why in your eyes do you think I'm on either side of this conflict? However I disagree on the stance that DynoQ is a good and healthy way of determining skill, but I'm not on the Boards flooding the front page with "Bring back SoloQ!" or "DynamicQ sucks" threads everyday. I clocked long ago that SoloQ wasn't coming back (in fact the first announcement of its delay in February) and since then I've begrudgingly dealt with that fact.

I was just bringing to light the fact that the front page has always got several threads like the ones I just mentioned. And I'm aware of the implications of re-implementing SoloQ while Dynamic is still live, so save the lecture.

Vistha Kai5 votes

Somebody mentioned today this whole farce reminds him of this.

"You don't want to do that, either. You think you do, but you don't."

MrWasjig2 votes

"You don't want to do that, either. You think you do, but you dont."

I think this is the thing that's rubbing people up the wrong way, like a bed full of biscuit crumbs. Sure not having SoloQ is a pain in the ass, but it's the way this whole thing is being handled that's really causing all the hubbub.

Ghostbear144 votes

Since League is a competitive team esport it should be treated like any other competitive team sport. If you want to play any other sport competitively you have to join a team. There is no solo baseball, soccer, hockey, basketball or football leagues. If you want to play that sport competitively you join a team and start working your way up through the minor leagues and hope to one day reach the pros. If you don't like your team or get better than them you get traded or tryout for a new team. If you want to practice by your self or just play a pick up game for fun you can play with anyone you can find. Leagues ranked system caters to solo players far more than it should. If it wanted to be seem as a real team sport ranked 5s would be the only ranked que. Anyone that can't make the commitment to play on a team and wants to play by themselves would have to just play normals like every other team sport in the world. All the solo que heroes that want to play but can't make the commitment equate to every "try hard almost made the pros" person you see playing any rec league sport.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

But thats not how League of Legends works, if from teh start you could ONLY play the game by being on a team, then maybe, but thats not how this works.

The game has been the way it has for to long and you can't suddenly turn around and cater towards team players. We had that with Ranked Teams, you could have very well gone on there and started a team, i see no reason with bringing that back.

But two, three, four, people are not "teams" that isn't a "team", thats just grouping.

4-1 VS 4-1, is not a team, Dynamic Queue does not introduce "teams".

I'm not even goingt o get into how dumb your comment is but for the vast majority the community wants a game in which they can rank their OWN individual skill. That is how they want there competitive enviornment to be, now if they want to go pro, they very well can, reach the top of the challenger ladder and you'll be picked up at some point.

What the community wants to have as there competitive environment, is what it should be. This isn't a balance stand point this is how the community thinks they should be ranked, and wants to be ranked. I dont like my Plat rank being the same as a dude who got carried by his diamond buddies, but in reality he belongs at a lower tier.

Thats why before there was Team rank and Solo Queue/Duo (There shouldn't be a duo either). Make a team, become pro, make your own dam team for the LCS, you could do that. But there isn't a reason to deny the millions of players that prefer the Solo Queue experience of competitiveness.

Ghostbear142 votes

League is six years old it is a baby in terms of its grow and development just because something started a certain way does not me it will continue that way. Your plat rank means absolutely nothing to anyone other than yourself. Are you going to put it on a resume that you got to plat 1 in League of Legends solo que. If league wants to continue to grow it has to move past the idea that it is an individual game if it wants to move into the same realm as other sports they have to make changes to get there. Changes that not everyone will like but Riot wants this game to become bigger than it already is and this is the direction they will probably work towards.

Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

Well currently there game is in decline, i has reached its peak, this may or may not be due to the overall changes to the game in the past year (it could very well just be old players quitting).

though not released by Riot and may or may not be accurate, a tencent employee at a conference about their games said league of legends player base was at 64 Million, 3 million down from 2 years ago in 2014 67 million.

So maybe there current trend of actions aren't the best way to make LoL last. especially if players dont like it and quit.

Ghostbear141 votes

There are not enough gamers in the world for a game to continue to grow at the rate that league was growing. If it has plateaued at this point fine it is still the biggest online game by a mile.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Well that's why 5v5 TEAMRANKED existed in the first place. Since u love that real sports comparison. In NO sports league you are able to grab a bunch of 22yo soccer friends to play with you in your league of 16 yos. Basically when a gold 5 invites his plat 1 friends. Or ronaldo playing with his friends in some lower league. About DynQ. DynQ doesn't represent a competitive team sport. Duo or trio is still no team. By your logic playing ranked should ONLY be allowed with a 5 man premade team.

Ghostbear142 votes

Yes, that's how it should be, this is a team game. Solo que is not a representation of skill in a team game and should not be a competitive que. If you want to play any sport competitively you have to join a team. Ranked 5s should be the only ranked que. If you don't have the time or commitment to due that then you don't care about being competitive you just want a way to boost your own ego about how good you think you are at this game. If that is all you want then there is no difference between solo que and dynamic que. If all you people spouting off about the competitive integrity of the game truly wanted it to be a competitive sport you would be clamouring for only ranked 5s. But you don't want it truly competitive you just want to measure your ego.

56552559_DEL4 votes

Gotta love the comments saying "well DQ is incentive to play with friends and that is why they put it in". Dont people realize how incredibly WRONG that is?

That may why Riot put it in, in their own delusional thinking, but that is NOT the correct way to do it. It is not right to force something down the players throat that they clearly DO NOT WANT.

Now Riot can post all their rigged and payed for statistics to make it look like people prefer DQ, but we all know the truth.

If people dont want to play with premades, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO. Removing Solo q was one of the worst things to do because that is forcing people to be at a disadvantage by not having friends on. But the whole point is to play by yourself. This is no different than playing Halo, COD, BF etc. in this regard. In those games, if you see you are about to play against a clan, you are screwed and may as well back out of the match because they clearly have better communication that your randomly put together team. I know this is true because in COD when i was a part of a clan, we sat in a lobby for 10-20 minutes waiting for a match but when we couldnt get one, one of the members said to remove the clan tag to see if that would help and wouldnt you know it, we got people staying in the lobby and got into the match almost right away. People are intimidated by premades and clans because they know you have the upper hand with communication since most people on random teams dont want to talk or communicate.

And if you are not in a premade, chances of you winning are slim anyway because randoms dont want to pick champs that counter their opponent or even pick champs that work well with each other, they just want o pick the most broken champ they can find and play that regardless of what is going on.

So no, DQ is NOT the best option. There are many factors that clearly indicate why it is NOT the best option.

Ghostbear143 votes

I got a news flash for you the players of any game never get to decide the rules and how things are played. Ask college basketball players how many of them like the way that the NCAA makes millions of dollars off of them and they don't get paid. Since you brought up Stephen Curry how ridiculous would all of his earlier basketball experience been if every time he played a game he got matched with 4 other completely random people. Would that even make sense? Were there times in his career where he was the best player on his team? Definitely. Where there times when he was playing against people much worse than him making it until fair? Definitely. But you know what the games didn't stop and people moved on. Curry has most definitely carried teams of people in his career. Was it not a good measure of his individual skill? Professional teams have things called scouts that follow lower level teams and pick players that they think have the talent to move on. That's why not everyone gets drafted. People that think solo que is the only way to determine skill are ridiculously narrow minded. This is a new change and it is hard for people to adjust to but riot believes that people working together in a team game is more important than the individual skills people claim only come when playing solo.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

Maybe my basketball example wasn't the best, but core point stays true, for most people, they want a ladder that represents their OWN individual skill as a player, and the Solo Queue ladder represents that, a Dynamic Queue ladder undermines that, because thats whoever has the best carry player on each team.

Unlike basketball one player on LoL can completely decimate a team (Due to variables of Gold, Buffs, Etc.) Unlike traditional sports where you can't gain a "real" advantage, other then points.

Ghostbear144 votes

The only time one player in league can solo carry a game is if they are playing against people well below their elo. If you are playing against people of your own skill level you need at least 3 of five people on your team to be better than the opposing team members to win. Plus solo que is not a good measure of skill in this game at all. It only measures if you can carry yourself and breeds selfishness and lack of teamwork. Also how do you measure skill in this game? Say you have a Diamond 1 player that is a mid lane main that plays 3 champions at that level but if asked to play other champs he would be at like a plat 1 level. Then you have a Diamond 4 player that can play every role and every champ at that level. Who is the better player? People are freaking out about this change because people don't like change they want everything to stay just how they like it. But riot is the creator of the game they make the rules and if you want to play, you play by their rules. Just like no one forces college basketball players to play if they don't like the rules they can quit at any time. You are more than welcome to as well.

Dehitay3 votes

{quoted}

The only time one player in league can solo carry a game is if they are playing against people well below their elo. If you are playing against people of your own skill level you need at least 3 of five people on your team to be better than the opposing team members to win. Plus solo que is not a good measure of skill in this game at all. It only measures if you can carry yourself and breeds selfishness and lack of teamwork. Also how do you measure skill in this game? Say you have a Diamond 1 player that is a mid lane main that plays 3 champions at that level but if asked to play other champs he would be at like a plat 1 level. Then you have a Diamond 4 player that can play every role and every champ at that level. Who is the better player? People are freaking out about this change because people don't like change they want everything to stay just how they like it. But riot is the creator of the game they make the rules and if you want to play, you play by their rules. Just like no one forces college basketball players to play if they don't like the rules they can quit at any time. You are more than welcome to as well.

College basketball players play a game were the rules have been the same before they started and still the same after they finished playing. They didn't pay hundreds of dollars for fancy uniforms and then have the league suddenly change the system on them to completely go against everything they were originally trained for.

Ghostbear142 votes

You think the rules in basketball haven't change since it started. The game is always changing rules. League is 6 years but can't change the way they want it to play give your head a shake. No one forced you to pay hundreds of dollars for anything in this game. You can play for free. Also the game is still the same just how your precieve your own value has changed nothing more.

Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

Basketball is basically the same since when it started, the rules may be more finicky or w/e but its still the very close to the same goals, and changes A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT less slower then league does.

LoL changes every 2 weeks, and every 1-2 months DRASTICALLY, Season 5 is not Season 6 or even close to it.

Ghostbear142 votes

There are general manager meetings in every sport that make changes to the game every year. Sports have been around for hundreds of years so ya their games don't need to change as much. But esports is so new on the scene that no one knows how long one will last. They are trying to keep it going in the way they best see fit and they don't need to hold a forum vote if they want to make a change. If you don't like what they are doing stop playing and maybe if the majority of people agree with you and quit as well then league will die and everyone will move on to the next game. But I wouldn't hold my breathe on that happening.

Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

No thats only for the Actual League.

Basketball is not owned by anyone, it is not driven by a company, it is not owned by a company , it does not need a company to survive.

Basketball can be played by anyone and basically anywhere, that is not the same with League, you are VERY restricted on the rule sets and you cannot change them, compared to something like basketball where you can essentially do w/e you want if you're in your own environment.

Why do you think skyrim is still alive? Games like that aren't made to last but you know why its still has a HUGE ass player base? Because of the community, the modding community, the community drives the game.

When the community is happy, the game grows, when it isn't , it wont, if Riot wants the game to grow, saying a big F%$K you to the Solo Queue player base, probably isn't the way to do it.

And no I don't want league to phase out and become obsolete, I want the game to grow , I don't want to quit League, I dont think the direction Riot is going is going to make League Grow.

I honestly don't, and thats shown evident of the fact that they haven't released statistics for years, (3 yrs) companys ** LOVE** to show how much there game is growing, if League isn't growing, then maybe thats a trend of Riots changes in recent years. So from that I'd say what there doing isn't going to help and will only kill league. Which I dont want to happen.

Ghostbear142 votes

Yes you can play basketball anywhere and however you want. But if you want to be recognized by the basketball world as a great basketball player you play in their league by their rules. You can play normals anyway you want in league but if you want that shiny badge saying you are a winner you have to play their league by their rules same concept.

Eevee In A Jar2 votes

It's funny because Riot used to say a structure like Dyn Q made competition bad and Solo Q was the right way to go. This is more about political or some ulterior motive on Riot's part, not about making competition better. They're just making it easier and more accessible to casual and new players to try to get as much revenue as possible. Dyn Q is prob going to ruin League and make people go to DoTa or something.

You see how bad Dyn Q is when diamond players struggle against a full premade team of SKT. When talking about competition, Dyn Q is not better in any shape or form. I do like the system, I just don't like how it's being forced down on us and you tell us how it's better for us. Ever watch Firefly? The Alliance tells people HOW TO THINK, and they haven't the right!! DUN DUN DUN!!!

JVP152 votes

Well, I am going to just throw my thoughts out here and say: This is their game, and their vision of what the game should be might be different than what the community's vision of what the game should be.

Yeah, the community of a game is very important, but I don't mind Dynamic Que, and I believe a lot of people don't mind it. If I was given Solo Que, I would go, meh. Okay. It is a slightly different game mode, but it is still ranked. Besides, this is just a game that people may or may not get overinvested in. I don't mind Dynamic Que, and honestly, I don't care about whether we get Solo Que or not. It is still League of Legends. Nothing too drastic has changed. It is still fun, and while some things are flawed, what can you expect? With over 120 champions, and a massive community, balance is a nightmare because people can and will abuse anything that has any potential for abuse.

Opistach2 votes

The end will come when Riot finally releases EOC.

Lauchmelder1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=WvMy14RE,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-15T21:31:34.813+0000)

"When it comes to a philosophical stance, however, we do want to be clear: we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue." -Riot Plz Post

This is probably one of the most frustrating lines to hear, basically this line says "We know more about what you want then you do."

Actually they said how it actually is. LoL is not a game for 1v1 (which apparently most SoloQ players/whiners WANT it to be) but a teamgame.

Should pro level soccer teams consist of 16 random players instead of 1 actual team? Now apply this to LoL

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

It is a team game, I think of it more as, "How can I play together with a team in an ever changing environment?"

Players every game, would have to learn how to work together, and the best would climb, a new experience every game. I think would be the best measure of your skill.

Playing with 4 buddies every single game to w/e rank, well you're good with that team, and your ranking would not match teh skill of a Solo Player who did it. Which undermines the ranking system, and kind of ruins the value of it all.

Lauchmelder1 votes

I don't see a problem with people only playing in teams not playing on their ranks standard. If they play solo they will drop, that's the tradeoff.

SociopathFriend1 votes

To be fair- sometimes what the community wants is god-awful- so of course Riot isn't going to listen every time. This is a point in general, not related to dynamic or solo queue, sometimes the community is stupid.

DarkRitual1 votes

"TL'DR: The communitys prefered experience on a Competitive ladder is what Riot should make, not what a few developers thinking they know what we want better then ourselves."

The vocal minority's (approximately 0.01% of the playerbase) preferred experience on a competetive latter is what Riot should make, not what the vast majority of in-client surveyed players want.

Fixed it for you.

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