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Apparently, Riot knows what we want, and what we want isn't right. (Dynamic Queue)

Guy Fox Teemo·4/15/2016, 9:31:34 PM·76 votes·4,253 views

"When it comes to a philosophical stance, however, we do want to be clear: we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue." -Riot Plz Post

This is probably one of the most frustrating lines to hear, basically this line says "We know more about what you want then you do."

The community think Solo Queue is a good measure of presenting a healthy, competitive landsacpe in League of Legends. Riot thinks dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends.

Do you have any reasoning behind why your stance would be better? Is not what the community prefers in terms of a competitive experience the better way to go? Sure I do think Riots stance on things like balance are better then the communitys, because they can look into that.

But Dynamic Queue and Solo Queue are just personal preferences, on how a person wants to play in a competitive ladder. And for the most part, the community wants a Solo Queue experience, they think that a competitive ladder is a way to show your personal skill in how good you are at the game; Yes LoL at its core is a "Team Game", but in the end there is no such thing as a true team game, thats why theres players like Faker or Stephen Curry, both AMAZING players in the sports they play, both play team games, but in the end an Individuals skill matters A LOT, and thats what a Solo Queue ladder represents, and thats what the community prefers in terms of an experience.

So why does a team of a few 10-20 developers (idk the #'s) get to decide the way players play in a competitive ladder? That should be chosen by the players, because it is representing of the players, not you Riot.

Players believe that a Solo Queue ladder better represents their individual skill in League Of Legends. If that's what the players want, in terms of their competitive experience, then that's how it should be.

P.S. Thanks to Gbay99 a popular youtuber that talked about this issue and gave a good explanation of the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RugYBvvKs3Q

TL'DR: The communitys prefered experience on a Competitive ladder is what Riot should make, not what a few developers thinking they know what we want better then ourselves.

61 Comments

ArlanKels4/15/2016, 9:38:01 PM20 votes

They do know what's better. It's why they promised Ranked in Dominion, put out Dominion... Never gave it Ranked.. Didn't support the community that formed after it came out. Shut it down eventually when the community withered up due to the lack of support from Riot.

See? They're geniuses.

Dehitay4/15/2016, 10:27:11 PM17 votes

Oh god, that Gbay video just speaks straight to the soul. It's just heartbreaking to love a game so much and want it to succeed so badly and watch Riot do something that destroys one of the core values of the game and send it a step closer to failure.

franticFurball4/15/2016, 9:37:02 PM13 votes

Do you have any reasoning behind why your stance would be better?

Of course they have:

Providing an incentive to play with friends (because playing as a soloQ player is unfun) makes people recommend the game to more friends, and may get those people to buy RP, a) because they want to get the champions their more experienced friends recommend, and b) because "oh wow that skin totally rocks where can I get one???".

Or so, the hope goes. They think it will make more money.

What they didn't forsee in their "genius": This game lives off its massive popularity. And right now, given how agitated such a gigantic portion of their community is over this decision, I think that will drop veeeeeery quickly.

Once people realize that ranked essentially became just a glorified normal, not even the ESports scene will be able to halt the downfall. Because, whats the interest in a competitive activity, where its not able to be competitive as a singular player any more? This isn't football or baseball fandom...league, ESPorts as a whole are so popular because they allow easy PARTICIPATION in the competitive activity.

Angry Monster4/15/2016, 11:01:16 PM5 votes

hats why theres players like Faker or Stephen Curry, both AMAZING players in the sports they play, both play team games, but in the end an Individuals skill matters A LOT, and thats what a Solo Queue ladder represents, and thats what the community prefers in terms of an experience.

Shows how clueless you are on this topic. Faker has been taking a supportive role this split in korea and let his adc Wolf and the new jungler Blank take the LEAD as the play makers. Right now SKT feel that the mid laner should be more supportive.

Therefore your argument is weak and shallow.

I also have a problem with

The community think Solo Queue

Lets start with their was never a solo q. Simple fact of the matter that premades were in almost every game, even if they never spoke up. Early season 1 riot had 3 man premades in rank. This myth about solo q is really funny since it has never existed and is being pushed by new players that should not be talking AT ALL.

Next thing wrong with that comment is that the community is not necessarily even in agreement on what is better. You people that cry out on the boards are as bad as our political leaders. You get really loud and everyone wishes that you would shut the fuck up. You do not speak for everyone and it delusional to think that you do. People post when they are complaining not when they are happy. And considering how few people post about the solo q thing, i would assume its a non issue for MOST people.

Vistha Kai4/15/2016, 11:19:33 PM5 votes

Somebody mentioned today this whole farce reminds him of this.

"You don't want to do that, either. You think you do, but you don't."

Ghostbear144/15/2016, 11:50:05 PM4 votes

Since League is a competitive team esport it should be treated like any other competitive team sport. If you want to play any other sport competitively you have to join a team. There is no solo baseball, soccer, hockey, basketball or football leagues. If you want to play that sport competitively you join a team and start working your way up through the minor leagues and hope to one day reach the pros. If you don't like your team or get better than them you get traded or tryout for a new team. If you want to practice by your self or just play a pick up game for fun you can play with anyone you can find. Leagues ranked system caters to solo players far more than it should. If it wanted to be seem as a real team sport ranked 5s would be the only ranked que. Anyone that can't make the commitment to play on a team and wants to play by themselves would have to just play normals like every other team sport in the world. All the solo que heroes that want to play but can't make the commitment equate to every "try hard almost made the pros" person you see playing any rec league sport.

56552559_DEL4/16/2016, 3:33:19 PM4 votes

Gotta love the comments saying "well DQ is incentive to play with friends and that is why they put it in". Dont people realize how incredibly WRONG that is?

That may why Riot put it in, in their own delusional thinking, but that is NOT the correct way to do it. It is not right to force something down the players throat that they clearly DO NOT WANT.

Now Riot can post all their rigged and payed for statistics to make it look like people prefer DQ, but we all know the truth.

If people dont want to play with premades, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO. Removing Solo q was one of the worst things to do because that is forcing people to be at a disadvantage by not having friends on. But the whole point is to play by yourself. This is no different than playing Halo, COD, BF etc. in this regard. In those games, if you see you are about to play against a clan, you are screwed and may as well back out of the match because they clearly have better communication that your randomly put together team. I know this is true because in COD when i was a part of a clan, we sat in a lobby for 10-20 minutes waiting for a match but when we couldnt get one, one of the members said to remove the clan tag to see if that would help and wouldnt you know it, we got people staying in the lobby and got into the match almost right away. People are intimidated by premades and clans because they know you have the upper hand with communication since most people on random teams dont want to talk or communicate.

And if you are not in a premade, chances of you winning are slim anyway because randoms dont want to pick champs that counter their opponent or even pick champs that work well with each other, they just want o pick the most broken champ they can find and play that regardless of what is going on.

So no, DQ is NOT the best option. There are many factors that clearly indicate why it is NOT the best option.

Ghostbear144/15/2016, 9:57:31 PM3 votes

I got a news flash for you the players of any game never get to decide the rules and how things are played. Ask college basketball players how many of them like the way that the NCAA makes millions of dollars off of them and they don't get paid. Since you brought up Stephen Curry how ridiculous would all of his earlier basketball experience been if every time he played a game he got matched with 4 other completely random people. Would that even make sense? Were there times in his career where he was the best player on his team? Definitely. Where there times when he was playing against people much worse than him making it until fair? Definitely. But you know what the games didn't stop and people moved on. Curry has most definitely carried teams of people in his career. Was it not a good measure of his individual skill? Professional teams have things called scouts that follow lower level teams and pick players that they think have the talent to move on. That's why not everyone gets drafted. People that think solo que is the only way to determine skill are ridiculously narrow minded. This is a new change and it is hard for people to adjust to but riot believes that people working together in a team game is more important than the individual skills people claim only come when playing solo.

Eevee In A Jar4/16/2016, 2:44:40 PM2 votes

It's funny because Riot used to say a structure like Dyn Q made competition bad and Solo Q was the right way to go. This is more about political or some ulterior motive on Riot's part, not about making competition better. They're just making it easier and more accessible to casual and new players to try to get as much revenue as possible. Dyn Q is prob going to ruin League and make people go to DoTa or something.

You see how bad Dyn Q is when diamond players struggle against a full premade team of SKT. When talking about competition, Dyn Q is not better in any shape or form. I do like the system, I just don't like how it's being forced down on us and you tell us how it's better for us. Ever watch Firefly? The Alliance tells people HOW TO THINK, and they haven't the right!! DUN DUN DUN!!!

JVP154/16/2016, 3:09:03 PM2 votes

Well, I am going to just throw my thoughts out here and say: This is their game, and their vision of what the game should be might be different than what the community's vision of what the game should be.

Yeah, the community of a game is very important, but I don't mind Dynamic Que, and I believe a lot of people don't mind it. If I was given Solo Que, I would go, meh. Okay. It is a slightly different game mode, but it is still ranked. Besides, this is just a game that people may or may not get overinvested in. I don't mind Dynamic Que, and honestly, I don't care about whether we get Solo Que or not. It is still League of Legends. Nothing too drastic has changed. It is still fun, and while some things are flawed, what can you expect? With over 120 champions, and a massive community, balance is a nightmare because people can and will abuse anything that has any potential for abuse.

Opistach4/16/2016, 8:55:32 PM2 votes

The end will come when Riot finally releases EOC.

SociopathFriend4/16/2016, 4:50:19 PM1 votes

To be fair- sometimes what the community wants is god-awful- so of course Riot isn't going to listen every time. This is a point in general, not related to dynamic or solo queue, sometimes the community is stupid.

DarkRitual4/16/2016, 10:52:25 PM1 votes

"TL'DR: The communitys prefered experience on a Competitive ladder is what Riot should make, not what a few developers thinking they know what we want better then ourselves."

The vocal minority's (approximately 0.01% of the playerbase) preferred experience on a competetive latter is what Riot should make, not what the vast majority of in-client surveyed players want.

Fixed it for you.

Lauchmelder4/16/2016, 4:39:15 PM1 votes

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"When it comes to a philosophical stance, however, we do want to be clear: we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue." -Riot Plz Post

This is probably one of the most frustrating lines to hear, basically this line says "We know more about what you want then you do."

Actually they said how it actually is. LoL is not a game for 1v1 (which apparently most SoloQ players/whiners WANT it to be) but a teamgame.

Should pro level soccer teams consist of 16 random players instead of 1 actual team? Now apply this to LoL