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What the surrender button should be used for

Pie Loves You·3/27/2015, 3:59:51 AM·31 votes·3,950 views
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People seem to misuse the surrender button. The surrender button isn't in the game because you are a little bit behind, or because you don't feel like playing a game that you didn't get fed in. The surrender button is in the game for unwinnable games. What is an "unwinnable game" you may ask. If the enemy team is camping your fountain, refusing to kill the nexus because they want to pad their stats, you have my blessing to surrender. But (insert "OP"/Late Game champion name here) is fed. Would you win if they dc? That can happen. What if you just stall until everyone is at full build? The game is never over unless you give up. If you give up, you are the scum of the Earth and should not be allowed in ranked. If riot only gave people 1 surrender vote per day/week, the game would be a better place.

You may think this is my ranting because my team quit a game that we could have won during my promos. That is partially correct but I have been thinking about this post and preeching "Never Give Up, Never Surrender" since S2.

EDIT: Removed the public report of a player that gives up every game if they dont get first blood

EDIT2: I was a little harsh with my wording and I apologize. This should be a dialog and I should have written this when I wasn't upset. Sometimes my emotions get the better of me. I apologize to anyone offended by my language.

EDIT3: I forgot to explain the link XD It is a match history to a game that was fairly even. If you look at gold advantage, it was less than 5k at 30min. This was after we had a bad teamfight and the enemy team took some towers. The game might not have been an easy win but it could have been one if we tried. Really only needed to kill LeBlanc and then I would be safe enough to kite the rest to victory. I was really upset that we surrendered the game that I feel wasn't over.

EDIT4: This was mainly in respect to ranked in which winning does matter at least some. There are many valid points in this thread that we should discuss/debate further if things can stay civilized.

TL;DR Don't give up unless you are getting camped at fountain.

52 Comments

phirestarter3/27/2015, 4:17:42 AM19 votes

**You should only get 1 surrender per game. The End. **

Why Riot allows people to constantly surrender over and over again is a mystery to me.

Only Play Darius3/27/2015, 5:33:30 AM9 votes

I never ff in ranked.

However in normals if we are severely behind i surrender. Too many games I have had where we were very far behind, started outplaying the enemy, and even though we won the next 5 teamfights, because they were so far ahead to begin with, they win ONE teamfight and wipe out our entire base. 40 minutes of my day wasted for no reason.

Maximum Zilean3/27/2015, 4:23:14 AM6 votes

"Oh no the enemy AD carry got 4 kills early! GG S@20!" Its Caitlyn... Stall till midgame and turn it around. Cait has a horrible mid game and doesn't really get strong again till 30 minutes.

th3chosenone3/27/2015, 5:38:17 AM5 votes

No, just no. If I think the game is lost I should be able to attempt a surrender. Other times I have done it just to see where the team's moral stands since mine were wavering. You don't always have to wait until late game to know the outcome and teams can toy with you WELL before they get to your nexus. OP you sound like someone who goes 2/9 as adc (which happens) and then says wait till late game when you're just finishing IE and your opponent has IE, Shiv, and Last Whisper. There is no late game, your opponent is already there and you are super far behind.

Now I will admit I've had teams surrender games I think we could have won but sometimes 'die hard, fight till the end' people like you end up wasting another 15-20 min of your teammates time because there was this one game 4 months ago that was kinda similar that you managed to win.

Umbernox3/27/2015, 5:09:14 PM4 votes

I agree. There should be only 1 Surrender vote for each individual in the game. I can't stand those people that keep spamming /ff just because they are having a bad game, and that is why most people surrender usually. People just follow through in surrendering because they cater towards the people that are doing bad.

Why should we keep supporting the idea of surrendering. It is a terrible moral to have.

"oh, I don't like this game, just cause I didn't get fed, so I'm going to give up." NO that is so stupid. There is always a chance to comeback.

I have played a game, and I'm pretty sure many others have had this same experience, where the enemy team was fountain camping and killing us every time we re-spawned. Yet, finally we got them low enough to where the next time that I spawned, since I was the adc, I could get a penta, and then we pushed to their nexus and won.

There should never be a reason to surrender unless the enemy team is over 35 kills ahead of yours.

FirstSergeantBim3/27/2015, 5:01:05 AM4 votes

I disagree. You're just spouting unrealistic bullshit. The option to surrender is in the game because sometimes it just isn't worth it to continue. Winning isn't everything and postponing the inevitable can be destructive. Sometimes 4/5 teammates would be happier if they could just move onto another game regardless of the reason. Why can't you respect that?

When my time isn't worth something, I'm not going to keep wasting it because someone on the forums told me I should only surrender when the enemy team is spawn camping, something that absolutely never happens and if it does, it isn't going to last very long.

Never giving up is a conscious decision to continue becoming a better player and a better person. It has nothing to do with wins, losses, KDA, CS... whatever!

revliledpembroke3/27/2015, 1:18:07 PM3 votes

I mean, I was in a game where we were behind 20-1 and we ended up winning that game. So sure, repeat the Galaxy Quest mantra "Never give up, never surrender."

Seriphym3/27/2015, 4:27:36 AM3 votes

OP's post SO much! Very true!

I Kill Commies3/27/2015, 4:46:22 PM3 votes

The surrender button is there so you can get out of a game that is in all likelihood over. If you are one of those players who votes no surrender just because there's a 0.0001% chance that we can still win the game then you are the scum of the earth and should not be allowed in ranked.

Just because there's a small chance that you can still win doesn't mean you shouldn't surrender. Let's say that for every 100 clearly losing games, 10 of them could actually be won. To me, winning those 10 games isn't worth the aggravation and waste of time that playing out the other 90 will cause, so I just vote to surrender when we are clearly down. I don't understand why some people just can't accept losing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFUI02fPEgQ&t=290

Rueian3/27/2015, 7:16:57 AM2 votes

Let me ask you... If I am getting upset and call for a surrender to try to avoid me being toxic am I misusing the surrender button? Or would you rather piss of a teammate and have them turn toxic in anger?

I can't walk away from the game, but I can ask for the game to end so I can calm down.

Daedalus8713/27/2015, 7:01:16 AM2 votes

No, the surrender button is there for when you no longer want to play the current game for whatever reason.

mvargus3/27/2015, 3:30:48 PM2 votes

HeXp,

Looking at this one match history I can agree that the surrender was a bit early. I've even on occasion asked teams that surrendered why they did it because in my mind the game was still close, but they surrendered anyways. (usually I'm told it was because X champ was fed)

However.......

There are some legitimate reasons to surrender other than the enemy team camping your fountain.

Sometimes, even though the enemy team hasn't pushed any inhibitor turrets, you can tell that your team has fallen apart and isn't coming back together. I've had this happen. We could keep the enemy champs from taking the inhibitor turrets, but couldn't get out to farm. Even though in theory we would eventually catch them in items as there is a limit, at the time we were going to be losing more ground as none of us could farm consistently. This meant we were going to be falling more and more behind while the other team could take dragons and baron uncontested. There was no chance we'd come back unless someone on the other team DC'd. Now you said it could happen, but I don't like continuing to play based on an "it could happen" possibility.

Also sometimes you have friction within the team and that causes things to break down. Your mid starts berating others because of a missed MIA ping, or your ADC begins screaming about needing a gank even though the jungler had come by several times. Once the morale starts dropping and teamwork becomes poor its again very hard to come back. Some teams like to play it out, others know better.

A couple nights ago I found myself in a game where the bot lane for my team was Nasus and Wukong (switched right before the end of champ select) and the jungler was a Karthas who had connection issues (DC'd for the first 10 minutes after dying 2 times). Someone tried to call a surrender at 20 minutes when we were already well behind, and there were 2 votes to continue the insanity. IIRC we fought it out, but the outcome was never in doubt. I got wrecked top lane by a silver 5 ranked player on Gnar and the lack of any jungle pressure meant that I soon was too far behind to do anything. The bot lane had about equal kills and deaths, but never got going. It ended up being a slow and very frustrating loss, held together by 2 players who refused to vote to surrender.

I agree that players need to be careful about calling for a surrender, but they also need to recognize that a match is lost and be willing to surrender if it is. And I absolutely disagree that one should consider the possibility of someone on the other team DC'ing as a reason to keep playing. Assume that the other team isn't going to have an AFK or any huge mistakes and then consider if you can win, but don't think that you can count on luck.

BakedLotion3/27/2015, 5:34:02 PM2 votes

I mean if they're like 35-2 I'm pretty sure the games over. We have 0 towers while they're all at our nexus turrets.

"never give up, never surrender" is annoying as fuck when its games like these.

Scrimshäw3/27/2015, 7:54:46 PM2 votes

or you could stop wasting my time

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb3/27/2015, 8:57:02 PM2 votes

For ranked, yeah. For normals? I'd much rather be out of a shitty game where the enemy team has shown to be more organized and more skilled than my team.

Bergk3/28/2015, 7:46:41 PM1 votes

I agree. Surrendering ranked should not be taken lightly. Defeat is only ever certain until your nexus is destroyed or you surrender... I have never voted yes to surrender a ranked game.

Unranked is different though, sometimes people are just practicing something new/theory crafting and it doesn't work out so well, surrender and rethink it or scrap the idea.

Elfan3/28/2015, 8:51:40 PM1 votes

I hate when people ask to surrender, I always vote no. Even if we are going to lose, let them earn it. I've been in many games where people say "Can't win, surrender" then we come back to win.

Ternt3/27/2015, 12:34:47 PM1 votes

I only ff games when EVERYBODY is fed. If they have a weak bot, top, mid or jg, you can always exploit that in a team fight.

Rrett3/27/2015, 8:24:20 AM1 votes

Sometimes when I get a group of 4 people, right before we win we surrender and then blame the random 5th guy and says he deserves it because how he played/acted even if he was a saint.

It's hilarious.

As an actual response to your post I hate your idea and wish you cancer.

Space Bum3/27/2015, 10:12:23 PM1 votes

I agree with this for ranked and ARAM. Oh man I can't tell you how many times the enemy has tried to troll around the Nexus on HA and lost because of it.

Zalnera5/10/2015, 1:44:56 AM1 votes

I have never played ranked myself, but I feel it would be nice if there was a queue that inherently had no surrender button for those that are of the never surrender mentality. I always click no to surrenders unless it pops up during a fight and I accidentally click yes. Oftentimes I am fully aware that the likelihood of victory is very minimal, e.g. 0.000001 probability, but that does not change the fact that I would prefer to play out the game to completion and see how events transpire. For an example of how frustrating it is, I recently played a game where we were behind, but we won a teamfight and got 2 towers and my team immediately surrendered afterwards. Even the enemy team was like, "Really?!"

Leti the Yeti3/27/2015, 6:51:19 AM1 votes

I play for fun... but to win as well I will keep playing so long as it is fun, even if we arent winning no surrendering

on the other hand... if it's NOT fun and we are LOSING then I'm an advocate for surrendering

and there better be a good fking reason as to why we should not surrender as well is it because theres still hope? the hope can't be "WHAT IF SOMEONE ON THEIR TEAM D/CS" pretty "miracles" are not valid reasons to me Tell me that we are all late game champs with the potential to turn the game around...We got late game Nasus or badass team fighting potential.... who knows that is the kind of hope that will compel me to not surrender