Thank You. Love; the Smiteless Eve from Last Game

LuunaLily·8/2/2016, 12:29:53 AM·206 votes·5,176 views

You know among all the toxicity in this community it's so nice to get the occasional group that is so supportive and awesome.

I had been playing top lane for my past few games and was fiddling with my masteries. So I didn't really realize that I didn't have smite until the last second. I quickly switched it, but sadly I wasn't quick enough.

Though I found myself 5-6 lvl's behind during the early game (because I simply couldn't clear until I had gunblade for sustain). My team helped me to clear camps, get kills and carried me through to the midgame. I ended up going 5/2/4 and we won the game on a frantic base race. Though some people were a bit irritated and ready to throw because I didn't have smite, we slowly got optimistic as the game went on.

Thank you to the Ekko (Summoner name; Logicalee) for being supportive and getting me through the midgame. I wish I could honor you more than just once!

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Edit: My lord, how did this get on the front page of the boards?! _Hooray for optimism! _

55 Comments

AhmCha8/2/2016, 12:31:33 AM66 votes

upvote for positivity

SeeI8/2/2016, 6:39:16 AM55 votes

This was definitely one of the most memorable games that I have had in League. Thank you so much for not giving up after forgetting smite, like two of the others on our team. I remember getting so happy when you got the ks from me in the bush in mid :P Hope we play again in the future <3

-The Believer, LogicaLee

Shoutout to "mslybell" for showing me this post

DeathBot6668/2/2016, 1:03:41 AM38 votes

I was expecting a sarcastic flame out.

Thank you for proving me wrong.

Solari Fortune8/2/2016, 1:51:12 AM14 votes

You mean there is hope? There actually nice players out there? The game is not filled with Kilotons of Salt pouring out of every players mouth?

AtroposWraith8/2/2016, 12:34:28 AM13 votes

In this community it would be great to have more positive people like yourself and the people who helped you. This gets an upvote from me ^^

Dynikus8/2/2016, 12:34:48 AM11 votes

Reminds me of one of the first games after I came back, I went nidalee jg because she was one of the only champs I was at all familiar with, and I forgot to grab smite. I got executed at wolves and was level 2 while everyone else was 4-5, but they helped me out a lot and we ended up winning the game.

aqours fanboy8/2/2016, 1:57:21 AM9 votes

Us Ekko mains are nice.

LuunaLily8/2/2016, 4:00:46 AM8 votes

Whoa, something positive made it to the front page of the boards?!?!

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

GULAG 4 U8/2/2016, 3:05:51 AM4 votes

i'd like to have people like this, instead of ragers with 15 cs at 10 minutes blaming jungler. But yes, this ekko is one amazing player.

Nickfer25108/2/2016, 5:06:51 PM3 votes

Let me tell u a story. I have only went smiteless jg once, as far as I remember. It was with Rammus, and since he NEEDS smite for his first clear this season, I just couldn't jungle. I asked for duo lane top, and fortunately the Olaf in my team didn't mind. We ended up winning the game bc I got Olaf fed and we ended up destroying the top turrets.

All in all, it was a good game.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

LuunaLily8/2/2016, 1:46:43 AM3 votes

I think the thing that really helped me get back in the game was the ekko praising me for jungling w/out smite. I haven't done so in ages and I didn't realize how punishing the jungle can be now w/out smite

LuunaLily8/2/2016, 6:51:47 AM3 votes

Regardless, you've inspired positivity in at least a few people, which also extended to this thread. You should definitely be proud!

sheldonbunny8/2/2016, 1:20:16 AM3 votes

I'm glad you had such experience. Thank you for the smile.

I Want Free Food8/2/2016, 1:51:30 PM2 votes

lol

TruckFump20168/2/2016, 4:05:19 AM2 votes

These kind of experiences are so awesome and rare now

kweeen8/2/2016, 4:41:22 AM2 votes

I was eve without one game (this was still during season five i think) and i realized that i wouldn't make good headway in the jungle so i just camped every single lane and tanked constantly, usually resulting in a kill. i was also able to hold lanes and i got my experience and gold that way and i'm pretty sure we won.

tooomine8/3/2016, 4:11:56 AM2 votes

For a game company that allegedly doesn't want to force players into a meta, the jungle experience changes and the removal of pink ward trinkets/green wards (and the complete lack of options for people who might want to ward outside of a support position) do so much to make the meta recalcitrant. Its only tangentially related, but my point is, I wish you didn't have to have smite to get exp, so that smiteless builds were still an option for an effective jungler.

I have digressed.

peace out, I"m glad you had a great game.

Terchio8/3/2016, 4:33:11 AM2 votes

For those who haven't experienced it, going Smiteless is a nightmare at the moment. It's hard to really know how bad it is without actually playing such a game. When going jungle, you already need to be in top form when it comes to runes and masteries; going with support stats could be irritating. However, forgetting Smite is a lot worse.

To begin, you must start the game without your jungle item, and clear camps without a decent heap of damage and sustain. You can maybe make up for the sustain with a Hunter's Potion or regular potions, or maybe the damage, but not both. Once you finish the first camp, you are still level 1, and generally won't hit 2 until after you beat the big monster on the second camp, which likely will not be red/blue buff with your damage. You also can't use the Smite buff from Gromp/Golem, either, as you don't have Smite. If, by some miracle, you had help with the first camp to get a full clear and then had enough to tackle a second camp, you're most likely going to need to back.

Now, Hunter's potion could help, in theory. It is, afterall, a nice, consistent source of sustain, or so it would seem. However, it is meant to sustain very minorly over quick camp clears. With the clearing disadvantage you will find yourself in, the Hunter's Potion really doesn't go a long way. For some comparison, a full Hunter's Potion only heals 2 pots worth (100g worth) at a 400g cost. Each camp you clear gains yet another charge, but that comes in at 60 health per charge, or about 40g worth. Until you find a way to use 20 charges (which will be a few trips back), the Hunter's Potion isn't worth it, and by the time you do get that far, hopefully you've started clearing fast enough that such sustain isn't needed so badly. Honestly, the item's practicality is very debatable in a Smiteless build, despite seeming necessary. If you insist on potions, consider leaving a Refillable potion unupgraded for a cheap fix, or if you really want it, a Corrupting Potion for ganks. Those provide 86g and 113 gold in health on each back, respectively, and the one saves you money while the other gives a small damage edge when ganking.

So, with probably 2 camps out of the way (hopefully one buff), you need to find a way to linger with a very slow clear speed over the rest of your camps. Keep in mind that you are already behind in XP, are never going to catch up to a normal XP rate, and will rarely have a proficient clear pattern. You will generally be 1-3 levels behind (or more) a proficient jungle run, and that is 1-3 levels you are lacking of rune/mastery buffs (for those who still have some per level gains), HP, AD, AS, HP/MP regen, and most importantly, skill levels. Those are also stats you would try to use on a gank, if you are feeling gutsy, and sometimes it means utility you lack for ganking because you have to invest so heavily in your damage abilities. Lastly, this slow leveling pattern is best case scenario, assuming limited jungle ganks or pressure, as well. And I am not going to go into the team morale side of things, as OP implied...

It really is just a nightmare.

ZT Xperimentor8/3/2016, 4:53:15 AM2 votes

I hope this kind of respectful optimism becomes commonplace again!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAXD8/2/2016, 5:20:28 PM2 votes

~~Aatrox summoner 30 item 3142 [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] ~~

Waysted18/2/2016, 6:51:13 PM2 votes

<3<3<3 this post.

LuunaLily8/2/2016, 7:35:49 PM2 votes

I'd love for people to continue posting all their smiteless stories here. The boards is in desperate need of optimism these days!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RISE Shlack1238/3/2016, 12:03:31 AM2 votes

The whole idea is to stay positive. You can't control the fact that your jungler doesn't have smite once the game starts, so there is no reason to be childish about it. I've been a part of several games where my jungler forgot smite (whether by slip of the mind or because of so many dodges causing the summs not to save) and we worked together to try and overcome. Sure, my team won and lost about an even split of those games, but the games we did win, it was because the team worked together and helped the jungler, and the jungler did more ganking and snowballing of lanes.

Point is: games aren't over until the nexus is down. If you keep a positive mindset, any game can be won, or at least competitive. :)

Kinetika8/3/2016, 12:05:47 AM2 votes

As a jungle main, I haven't yet forgotten smite. Should that ever happen, I could only hope to have teammates who are supportive. Good job calling them out - if more teams were supportive towards their junglers rather than blaming them for, well....everything under the sun, most games would be a better experience.

KrushakArrankiss8/3/2016, 12:41:51 AM2 votes

I had this happen when I was playing Sion in jungle, forgot smite, and they had a nasus who would over push a garen so we ganked him about 5 times over and over again till I got high enough level to clear camps myself. It was a great game.

Epic rekit8/2/2016, 2:21:41 PM1 votes

oh lucky you atleast some people have a good time without smite on eve, I did that once too, I got a leash but they reset it and I ended up dieng to the first buff and the adc flamed me for sucking and she called me retarded, this was while ago and I was really young and new to the whole online thing so I acted like an a** hole and fed directly 16 kills to the enemy rengar and got a 2 week bann :/ that was my fault all the way tho

LuunaLily8/3/2016, 4:50:14 AM1 votes

Thank you Terchio for bring all of this to light. I haven't gone smiteless in ages and I technically didn't hit lv 2 until my third camp. I hope riot may find a way to manage this. Honestly, it would be nice if we could have an additional item that builds out of talisman and machete without requiring smite. Then squishies could at least function without smite.

Thanks for explaining everything, so that people are aware that jungling can be stressful and difficult. Hopefully some level of understanding can lead to more of a positive community as a whole!

c7audio8/3/2016, 12:47:24 PM1 votes

Hooray for optimism! We need more people like that Ekko!