Why am I winning 17 points to diamond 2 players, but losing 18 points to Challenger 500 LP players?

I3anana·5/11/2016, 8:45:34 AM·3 votes·658 views

I'm diamond 3 with around diamond 3 MMR. I lose more points than I win to players who quite obviously have more MMR than me ( 500 challenger). Explain. Understand this is not balanced. Fix the game. Thanks.

5 Comments

I3anana5/11/2016, 9:13:56 AM1 votes

nobody has any answers?

MasterSomething5/11/2016, 9:22:37 AM1 votes

Well, you have to prove you are better than those players to enter their League. Kinda how Challenger works. If you got more points for winning then losing, it'd be easier to enter Challenger, no?

Goosetard5/11/2016, 9:33:12 AM1 votes

I believe LP gains and losses aren't based on your opponents MMR, but your own relative to the mean for your rank. Basically, if everyone had 50% winrates, the system would force people to a rank that corresponds to their MMR. If you're losing more than you gain, it means the system thinks you should have a lower rank than you do, and is trying to force you there.

What you're describing IS part of how the Elo system works, just not with LP. You'll lose a hell of a lot less MMR than you'd gain playing against higher MMR opposition. But your LP losses should be the same if you're losing to the whole TSM roster queued together or a bunch of bronze V's.

If your reaction to this is "wow, the ranked system is a stupid coverup for my Elo and doesn't really matter" then you're starting to get it.

I3anana5/11/2016, 11:48:01 AM1 votes

just got matched up against another challenger.. this one was from season 5 though probably got boosted. but still their team gets a challenger i get a bunch of diamond 3's who are SO BAD at the game it is unwinnable. i'm dealing the most damage as the support..... and i lose 19 points because of it. can i please get a fair game? just one