Questions About KSing as a Jungler

Avakor·8/11/2015, 8:38:51 AM·1 votes·987 views

I would like to get some opinions and fact checks on ksing when it comes to being a jungler. Let's say I'm Rek'Sai and that I've just pinged Fizz, my mid laner, that I am coming in for a gank. By the time I get in range of my Prey Seeker (burrowed Q), Fizz has already seen an opportunity to all in the poor Veigar who's already blown both his summoners. Fizz has ult, ignite, and rend all ticking away. Basically there is no way that Fizz isn't getting this kill regardless of whether or not I do anything. I'm pretty sure that in a scenario like this it's normally the right decision to fire a Q at Veigar in the hopes of getting an assist. Even if it steals the kill, landing the Q gets the team 50% more gold because there is a kill and an assist rather than just a kill.

Now let's apply a similar scenario to something like bot lane. There's an enemy Thresh and Vayne pushed up to our bot tower. I've just pinged that I'm coming in for a gank when Thresh lands a hook on our Leona and decides it's a good idea to activate it again and bring himself under tower. Vayne flash heal tumbles forward to help, but Thresh gets blown up by our Graves before she can land her first auto. Again, just as I get into range to fire my Prey Seeker at Vayne, Graves and Leona get her low enough that Graves ult and one auto will kill her. Assuming I have 100% faith in Graves landing his ult, I'm pretty sure in this case I shouldn't be firing any Qs. If I understand how assists work, the total amount of assist gold that the team can get is a static amount. Meaning if I were to land that Q, the ONLY two things I would be accomplishing is stealing some gold from Leona and potentially stealing the kill from Graves.

I know these examples were very specific, but I'm trying to capture the idea of the exact circumstances that I'm trying to look at. There are definitely a multitude of scenarios similar to the ones I've described in which I would be asking the same question. I also understand there are some very specific scenarios where it would always or never be OK to steal the kill. (Baron is up in 10 seconds and I'm 100g away from GA = always go for it, Baron is up in 10 seconds and Fizz is 300g away from GA = never steal it) Basically, I'm asking if my logic is generally correct in assessing whether I should or should not risk stealing a kill when it comes to a team perspective. Does this change at all when it comes to the kind of jungler I'm playing? (carry junglers, full tank junglers, support playstyle junglers, ect.) Is having 50% more gold on Fizz worth NOT having 100% on Rek'Sai? Is it actually somehow better for the team if i steal 25% from the support? What are the opinions on whether I should or should not be doing this in solo q when compared to ranked team games?

I'd also like to point out that I'm not talking about the kind of junglers who enjoy stealing kills. Sitting in a bush for 5 minutes as Kha'Zix and waiting for the enemy to get low so you can hop in and steal the kill is probably not ever a decision you made because you're looking out for the rest of your team.

There's also the risk of tilting the laner that you KS from if it's someone you don't know/trust. Is that enough of a factor to make it too much of a risk?

Not sure if there is necessarily a 100% guaranteed "right" answer to this problem, but I would appreciate hearing any thoughts or opinions that others might have on the matter. Thanks!

16 Comments

GummyBearWookiee8/11/2015, 4:35:19 PM4 votes

No such thing as a KS...period.

50000000000000008/11/2015, 8:51:14 AM3 votes

Honestly KS is almost always okay As long as it's not denied penta In that case report that troll

Variks the Loyal8/11/2015, 8:43:50 AM2 votes

Better two people get gold than just one.

FHMarshy8/11/2015, 8:03:39 PM1 votes

lol idk , but i'd be mad if i used every thing i had and all in for a kill but you came in just to take it when it was a sure kill lol.

darkmatchwaldo8/11/2015, 8:15:42 PM1 votes

If you're the jungler, i say KS every chance you get. Grab any gold you can get your hands on.

Raw8/11/2015, 8:22:02 PM1 votes

I've been play since season 1.....NO such thing is "ksing". The point of this game is to kill the enemies so you can take the objectives, as long they are dead your team profit.

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IcyPepper8/11/2015, 8:39:47 AM1 votes

Assists give gold, and junglers need gold too.

PROJECT Bear8/11/2015, 8:22:30 PM1 votes

the problem is sometimes people get away with 10hp. so, unless it's 100% they are not getting away, I always go in, I don't give a damn if somebody says I stole a kill, it's much better than risking them get away

Tstrong8/11/2015, 12:24:13 PM1 votes

As someone who only plays in the jungle mostly with Shyvana the sooner I get my sated and bork the sooner the match is to being over

Raptamei8/11/2015, 4:44:18 PM1 votes

You are correct - if 2 people participate in a kill, being the 3rd is a KS.

Hell, as the support, you probably should refrain from even being involved in a kill if the adc isn't getting the kill.