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Top ten reasons league of legends players are terrible at gaming

jchosensmurf··7 votes·19,710 views

First of all, what happened to the forums? This design is really hard on my eyes please riot stop ruining this game.

Now i'll admit it, i'm terrible at carrying people in this game, and hey maybe that makes me terrible at the game as well...

But that being said here are the Top 10 Reasons this game doesn't help to teach people gaming.

  1. Positive reinforcement for negative actions.

A guy on your team feeds, if you say anything at all, ANYTHING other then "it's okay we'll get em next time" and even that I've been reported for...

instantly the entire team..not the guy who fed, but the entire team yells at you and says you're being hostile and REPORT!!

What this means is no matter what you do in the game, it's okay because "you'll get em next time"

That's not healthy for learning how to play, that just makes every single person think they're amazing at the game & that there mistake wasn't a mistake at all. And if anyone has anything to say about it, they're the ones who are ruining the game...not your own gameplay.

  1. Wards

I cannot stress this enough, it's like giving people wallhacks in counter-strike and then removing them when they hop into another game and going "wow I can't believe this player doesn't know that an enemy can be behind that wall"

When you allow players an item that simply shows them where enemies are it's like giving people hacks that they can buy in the shop.

Then when they don't have there "wallhacks" they start yelling and complaining that it's the supports fault for not BUYING ENOUGH WALLHACKS.

And that's why they facechecked the bush. Not because of there own ability to predict an enemy being behind a wall...but because "well there wasn't a ward, without my wallhacks I have no idea how to play video games...please give me back my wallhacks so I can play again." Or in league speak that's "WTF EVERYONE BUY WARDS, WE NEED MORE WARDS I mean wallhacks, we need more wallhacks I can't play without my wallhacks.

  1. Group Teamfighting / Mathamatical Strength in numbers.

I'm not sure what it is about league, perhaps it's the fact that everyone needs wallhacks in order to play...but for some reason players don't understand the concept of grouping up. It's a very simple concept that you can find in other team games like counter-strike 1.6 but when the enemy team has all 5, and you have about 3 people, it's probably not a good idea to fight. But that doesn't stop league players from burning all there skills and running past 4 enemies to try & kill 1....

It's like everyone always has around 3 people who are leeroy jenkins and happy to have chicken.

Maybe...it's because of the first one that we have this problem. Because when someone runs past all 4 players trying to get 1 kill and failing by 1 hp, someone on your team trys to say "hey man wtf, don't dive through the entire enemy team" and everyone else goes REPORTED!!

To the point where when it happens we just go "oh that sucks, hey lets try harder next fight we got this man, i'll CARRY YOU"

Which brings me to #4

  1. Carrying.

For some reason and i'm not sure why, but everyone seems to think the way you win this game is by carrying your teammates.

Not by, you performing really really well, but by you CARRYING your team to victory.

We used to joke about this in counter-strike. If someone had all the kills, he'd literally type in game. "my back hurts"

The joke is, nobody is supposed to be below .500 and if you are it better be atleast .300 ratio KDA.

In general every single round was about what have you done to help the team.

But not in league...oh nooooo, not in league. League isn't about "have I done my part" league is about "have I done my job, and EVERYONE ELSES" because unless you do EVERYONES JOB, you're not gonna win the game.

People talk about this one a lot, like how come my teammates aren't helping me to win...and people just respond with WTF CARRY THEM!!

That system creates chaos in a gamers mind, they feel like they have to do everything for the team and it's just not fun to play at that point.

In counter-strike you could be like "well we lost..." and if they saw you drop 20 each game, they'd instantly recroute you to a cal MAIN team. like come drop 20 for us!!

Which brings me to #5.

  1. KDA doesn't matter....

Hey man i'm the tank, i'm supposed to have deaths facepalm

Hey i'm the support, i'm supposed to have deaths facepalm

What kind of a game has a community thinking that dying is a good idea...EVER!? And when you say something like "look at my KDA" everyone responds

GAMES NOT ABOUT KDA IT"S ABOUT TOWERS AND DRAGONS AND NEXUS

yeah we know, but can you be slightly impressed that in a game where you have 12 deaths and I have around 3-4 and I have 11 kills...I might be doing something right...like maybe I know a little bit about this game vs you the guy who died 12 times, without any assists?

No...it's about towers & dragons & nexus, so we should spend entire game not getting any kills and somehow they'll just let us have the towers?

  1. Your enemy is destroying you, ok lets give them even bigger guns.

What is up with this game and rewarding the side who is winning?

"double kill, triple kill quadra kill" here man that looked kinda hard and you still pulled it off would you like idk 150 more damage and the enemy can have nothing?

In games like counter-strike there is a cap as to how much damage you can do. And guess what, even if you lose a couple rounds you eventually will have enough money to have the same items as the guy who is dropping 20 in game. It creates gasp a fair fight?

really jolly gee willickers batman a fair fight?

Can you imagine if in football, one team scores a touchdown, and now on there next time with the ball they don't have to run 100 yards...now it's just 70 yards....oh wait they scored again, well it's only 40 yards now.....oh wait, ok fine 10 yards.

Meanwhile the other team who is getting demolished has to run even more? like 120 , or 150 , or even 200.....

Boy how annoying that would be, i'd probably hate life as soon as one person starting winning as well and want to just surrender.

which brings me to #7

  1. SURRENDERING

You gotta be joking...this is left to a vote? I understand the 10-0 skunk rule for little league, but cmon we're gonna vote to give up.

And I said NO! and you still wanna giveup!?

But I don't want to giveup...tough democracy.

How bout everyone can leave and i'll have bots play with me, is that okay? like if you don't want to be here just go i'll finish the game with bots, it's fine heck maybe i'll want to leave as well.

Oh so I have to play with AFKS....

  1. AFKS

Why is it that when someone LEAVES the game, we don't get a bot to play with? And if we did have a bot, how come I can't take control of the bot? How bout if I die, I can now use the bot.....but while i'm alive the bot will just play well like a bot....better than having an AFK!! and maybe I can give the bot orders, I mean I ping 24/7 anyway to give my useless teammates orders...so having a bot would be nice.

  1. Chat Filter.

Wow riot really? this is your solution? "you can't talk forever" You do realize giving people an ignore feature they can just mute a person they don't want to talk to or hear from....you don't have to play police and forever stop them from talking, someone else can just hit the mute button.

No...so for this game to work we have to have a government? is that what you're saying...an online video game needs a government with a grand jury the works a justice department everything...all because someone "typed something" that they didn't like on the internet in a game where people are killing other people....really?

  1. Rubberband effect.

Yup I said it. Even though giving large weapons as a reward is a messed up system, there is a built in rubberband effect.

Heres how it works.

Every single objective on the map that matters at low level stops mattering at around 40 minutes.

At this point all that matters is the next team to get an ACE.

Ace the team in baron pit with 3 inhibs down ya still win the game.

You gotta be joking.

This is the equivallent to one team being up 45-0 and the other team scores 1 touchdown...finally a touchdown...guess what screw 45-7 as the score, lets just make it like when we were kids, next point wins hahahahah we win the game, we spent entire game feeding and doing the wrong thing and losing towers, but we finally did 1 thing right so clearly we're the victors.

In Conclusion: This game is so imbalanced, that it rewards negativity, it encourages people to not care about anyone but themselves, it causes people to become tattle tales, any time you hear anything you don't want to hear you instantly just go "REPORT" you rely on wallhacks to be good at the game and even if you're bad at the game you don't want anyone to tell you how you can improve, you think everyone sucks but you, and when it comes to playing as a team you find yourself thinking that it's based on your role as a player and not based on your overall skill level for that role.

If anyone has a problem with it, it's there fault for thinking they're good when in reality they have to learn how to CARRY everyone else.

This game is so selfish it legit believes people at the top of the ladder are the only reason they won there games in a 5 v 5 game.

Nobody ever thinks that any League Of Legends pro won because of teamwork, they all think that person won the game because they do EVERYTHING in the game.

So when a team loses during a championship series, they don't look at the team as a whole, they look for the one person who didn't do there job to carry and single them out as the reason they lost.

Whereas in other team sports, the main focus is on the team and each players ability to deliver the best they can.

This game does the complete opposite of what it's trying to do, and encourages players to be selfish.

And that really sucks because I love the general concept of the game, I just don't like the government & player base.

If this game was more like the Fighting Game Community or the Counter-Strike 1.6 community, or Team Sports in general, it would have a higher level of play.

Because you would learn from people giving you feedback on how you can improve instead of reporting them for saying anything to you.

But don't worry about it, "we'll get em next time, he's the bad guy for thinking you did anything wrong, you can do no harm, you're a league of legends player, lets buy you some more wallhacks i mean wards and now that you can see the enemy you won't walk into an ambush, here i'll follow you around and make sure you never die I got your back, we all do teamwork OP"

P.S. Bonus Reason #11

  1. League Player Logic.

"If i somehow got 0/17 though. Id guess that if i still captured many objectives, and defended many of ours, Then id be doing good." --Malevolentslim

66 Comments

Cindikle5 votes
  1. Positive reinforcement for negative actions.

While true, this is hardly a "League only" thing. Any game with PvP will have this. And even more so if there is a ranking system. Problem is people care more about having a high rank than a good game.

Also having someone rage and quit has a much larger effect than in a FPS.

  1. Wards

Sad part is that no one will care till Riot puts it on the end stats. Which has been an idea thrown at them for a few years now.

  1. Group Teamfighting / Mathamatical Strength in numbers.

Overall a rare thing for me to see. So I can't see it as a huge problem.

  1. Carrying.

Some people just want to feel big. And Carrying is part of the game. If your support is doing the carrying there is a problem.

  1. KDA doesn't matter....

While you shouldn't try to die. Some rolls should expect it. Taking one more hit as a tank could mean an ace for your team. Or your CC's CD to go off so you can secure that kill. This is usually when CS and assists come in to play.

No one who knows what they are talking about will say KDA doesn't matter. But you should not have a focus on it.

  1. Your enemy is destroying you, ok lets give them even bigger guns.

This is why CS is more important this kills. Even if its 20-40, as long as you have done well to CS you're not beat yet. Every time they push, they bring more CS to you. There are comeback mechanics in the game as well.

This also comes down to part of the strategy of the game. Some comps will build their team around the early game, and require the gold lead to keep going. While the enemy could build for late game and at some point take over the game and win if the enemy can't finish.

  1. SURRENDERING

Dawngate did a great job at this. The surrender option only came up if someone was AFK long enough for the gold difference between the teams was large enough. I miss that game..

  1. AFKS

Main reason: League's code is old. Adding anything new requires a lot of work and could break a lot of things. Different reason: What's stopping a player who gave up and wants to surrender from using the bot to feed the enemy team.

  1. Chat Filter.

It's just Riot's way of saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

The phrase holds true. But I think making Rank-Only punishments is the better way to go. Most of the raging is in ranked. I think it should be possible to be banned from ranked for the season.

  1. Rubberband effect.

There's a phrase that goes around Leauge. "Not every game can be won, but any game can be lost."

While it's said in many different ways, the message is the same.

If you're 45 - 0. Who do you think ended that teamfight that let the team with 0 kills win? The team with 45 kills had to of messed up BAD to lose at that point. This also doesn't' factor in team comps. The team with 45 kills could be a pick comp. While the team with 0 could be an engage comp. As the game does on the engage comp gets stronger. If the team with 45 kills didn't win by the time the team with 0 can ace the team and kill the nexus before the team with 45 can respawn, they should of lost. This is why KDA is not important(but does matter). There are so many more factors to the game than KDA.

Also, you complain that a winning team gains more power to win more. But it's not OK for a 45-0 team to lose because of one team fight.

You're bringing WAY too much FPS mentality to this game. And are seeing way too many negative sides of things. And even counter your own words.

Overall the only point you really can hold on to is #2 about wards. The rest are opinions and most of this isn't a "League of Legends only" list. A lot of it could apply to many games.

bad arcade kitty4 votes

oh don't even remind me what they did with the forums

btw, who said them that white on black is an acceptable scheme for reading a lot of text, it's the best way to make your eyes strained

especially when it's not even white but grey on black

jchosensmurf3 votes

I think you're the only person who replied that actually gets it....

Not just my post but life in general, I think you win at life :D

mmmms4 votes

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Every single objective on the map that matters at low level stops mattering at around 40 minutes.

At this point all that matters is the next team to get an ACE.

Ace the team in baron pit with 3 inhibs down ya still win the game.

You gotta be joking.

This is the equivallent to one team being up 45-0 and the other team scores 1 touchdown...finally a touchdown...guess what screw 45-7 as the score, lets just make it like when we were kids, next point wins hahahahah we win the game, we spent entire game feeding and doing the wrong thing and losing towers, but we finally did 1 thing right so clearly we're the victors.

This is why players that legitimately think that this system is how it's suppose to be in a PvP game are idiots.

Seriously what's the point of an objective if you can just stall the game until late game and go for the 1 ace that leaves everyone dead for 80 seconds so you can win with a nice team score of 15 - 60.

Sure this doesn't happen all the time.. point is it should NEVER happen.

MrPerson103 votes

What is up with this game and rewarding the side who is winning?

LOLOLOLOLOL I'm sorry, that's just hilarious - that's exactly what you get for playing well, REWARDED. If it took away benefit from those playing well and gave it to those playing like shit, we'd all play like shit in laning phase and pull out the real game in mid-game, however it doesn't work like that - ever.

That's like asking why Johnny got a promotion for working 60 overtime hours last month vs your missing a day of work a week, then thinking you should get the promotion. Unfortunately for those of you who are lazy, this is not the way of the world.

jchosensmurf4 votes

I'm not saying you shouldn't be rewarded, i'm saying the reward is ridiculous. They should have a cap on the reward.

In football you're rewarded with a touchdown 7 points, they don't also make it so your next touchdown is only 70 yards.

It should be a fair fight, if anything the reward should be an objective..."yay you won fight you can have dragon." "yay you won fight you can have tower"

But to reward an early game kill by giving you a gigantic advantage over the enemy is ridiculous.

Maybe they can give you a powerup that lasts like 2 minutes and then you're on the powerplay.... but games like counter-strike would have it so that one guy gets an Awp early...that's fine within 2 rounds EVERYONE can buy an AWP....

This game it's like "oh you got that kill...k fine heres an I.E." you go into lane and it's just not even fair at all and it doesn't stop. The game just continues to snowball for whoever got the first kill.

And that causes people to just want to surrender after 1 death in LANE.

ALSO!! in counter-strike if you were to die, you would drop the Awp on the ground, causing someone else to be able to pick it up...this game however you die and it means nothing, you're not punished for dying only rewarded for killing....

Imagine this scenario:

Enemy lee sin has 3 kills in the jungle, he goes to gank again only this time he over extends and dies to the tower, he drops all his items on the ground. The support picks up the most valuble item and gives it to the ADC!! now suddenly the adc can actually fight in lane....till the adc dies & so on and so forth.

MrPerson104 votes

First - for the love of God, stop comparing LoL to CS. One's an FPS, the other is a MOBA. Not even close to the same concept.

You're rewarded for playing well and punished for playing like shit. That's the concept of a MOBA game. You don't automatically get an IE for doing well, you have to do well for a fair amount of time to do so.

jchosensmurf4 votes

Ok so lemme explain the best way I can.

Being rewarded for having good skill is different from being given a handicap for having good skill.

If we both are at the same skill level it should be a back and forth fight, not one where if you managed to get the first kill, the fight becomes "easier" for you.

I can see objectives like towers, or 2 minute power plays...that's fine.

But to give you an advantage that last the ENTIRE GAME is illogical.

The fight should be fair.

Ontop of that, maybe you're not better than me skill wise, you were just up against an opponent who was weaker than the guy I faced in lane on your team.

SHould that mean when we fight each other, you have a GIANT ADVANTAGE, just because your lane was EASIER?

It's not like if in basketball if you're good at making 3 pointers, suddenly they allow you to shoot from inside the key & call it a 5 pointer everytime you score.....

The way league of legends works is the equivalent to once you get Fire in NBA jam, you not only have fire for the rest of the game but suddenly the point value of my shots are less & less. And the point value of your shots are GREATER AND GREATER.

This doesn't show off skill, this just gives whoever has the item a giant handicap and an unfair fight.

Counter-Strike offers an easy solution to this, if you die you drop your items. Also...if one team just waits 2 rounds they'll have enough money to buy items as well, so it's a FAIR FIGHT!!

This makes the game better, because it means you have to use skill throughout the entire game, you don't just become OP all because of something you did in the beginning of the game, in the middle & the end of the game you have to be just as good.

To argue you shouldn't have a fair fight all because at 5 minutes into the game you got a double kill is ridiculous & absurd.

Guess what guys it's half time, the other team is up 14-0 so basically lets just surrender cuz we're not gonna score we have NO CHANCE!!

Agreed...k cool superbowl is over.

This is what league encourages, so stupid, it makes you bad at games in general.

OhOkYea2 votes

the entire team yells at you and says you're being hostile and REPORT!!

You're scum. It's a video game for entertainment. You need to get off the computer and do some breathing exercises.

jchosensmurf4 votes

thx for proving my point.

OhOkYea2 votes

You're upset because people tell you not to rage at a video game. Got issues

jchosensmurf4 votes

No, i'm not upset at all but it's disappointing that instead of people wanting to learn from there mistakes, they want to just hit a report button & blame anyone for saying anything, much like yourself....I posted this as feedback towards the community & it upset you to the point where you called me scum and wanted to hit the report button...

SO again thx for proving my point :D

OhOkYea1 votes

If you flame a team mate for making a mistake, you're getting reported. If you want to give them a tip or go help them, fine. No need to berate someone just because they don't play perfectly. If you get mad in a video game, you're getting reported. Learn to calm down. Here's a video you can use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxbdx-SeOOo

jchosensmurf5 votes

oh I get it....you think video games are supposed to be non violent and not competitive at all...

I understand, you think competition is what makes sports and video games bad...you should be calm and mellow and not out of breath....

IC.

And this is why you feed and report anyone who has a problem with it? oh okay Ic.

OhOkYea1 votes

Well there is a competitive level that is almost completely separate from 99% of the game.

If that's what you want, you can go play there. If you want to play the game seriously and at challenger level, why are you playing in soloQ with random bronze players anyway?

jchosensmurf5 votes

thx for proving my point yet again....

OhOkYea1 votes

You didn't make a point. You complained about people who play a video game for entertainment instead of how you want it played. If you want to be a pro player, then take the game seriously and do it. It's on you to find like minded people to achieve this goal. The rest of us are playing for entertainment, so you are the odd one out.

jchosensmurf5 votes

proving my point yet again ty.

Raptamei2 votes

{quoted}

oh I get it....you think video games are supposed to be non violent and not competitive at all...

I understand, you think competition is what makes sports and video games bad...you should be calm and mellow and not out of breath....

IC.

And this is why you feed and report anyone who has a problem with it? oh okay Ic.

Flaming your own team so you are less likely to win is not competitive.

jchosensmurf2 votes

Yeah football coaches never yell.....people don't ever get angry in sports, everyone is always super mellow and laid back.

In fact they all just practice breathing excorsices, nobody ever has a half time locker room speech to fire everyone up, no coach has ever said anything along the lines of, straighten out what you're doing before we lose. Stop allowing them to SCORE ON US!! GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME!! Start passing the ball straight, CATCH THE BALL!!

This never happens in sports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bzK8r4c6Xc

If that was league of legends, Al Pacino woulda been reported and banned , probably permabanned actually.

IN FACT!! that speech explains league of legends to the core. You're supposed to be trying the ENTIRE TIME!! You're supposed to FIGHT for those INCHES!! and when you're feeding constantly & trying to surrender at 20 minutes no matter what, you're not that guy.

YOU'RE NOT THE GUY!! who is trying to go that inch. You're not willing to SACRAFICE YOURSELF for THIS TEAM!

All you're doing is giving up before the game even starts.

But whenever we try to tell you, either you heal as a team, or we will die, as individuals. All your scumbag teammate does "report...he's being toxic and interupting my gameflow, I need him to mellow out and take some deep breaths, stop flaming riot plzzzzzz help riot plz ban the competitive guy from my game plzzzzzzzzz"

OmGnONaMeZZZ2 votes

I have an Idea!! Go back to counter strike... you legit compare everything you don't like to counter strike. League wont ever be counter strike. lol

mmmms4 votes

Just thought I would point out, although he is referencing to Counter-Strike, I believe he's only referring to its ideology rather than the game itself.

Clearly LoL and CS are two separate games, but the entire system of how to win a 5v5 in League could really improve with some ideas from CS(among other games I'm sure).

The fundamentals of Counter-Strike have just proven to be extremely successful looking at the game from a pure pvp aspect.

I mean really, you will never see a post on the CS forums about how CS needs to adapt ideas from LoL to be better.

Beep PL isa Jeep3 votes

{quoted}

Just thought I would point out, although he is referencing to Counter-Strike, I believe he's only referring to its ideology rather than the game itself.

Clearly LoL and CS are two separate games, but the entire system of how to win a 5v5 in League could really improve with some ideas from CS(among other games I'm sure).

The fundamentals of Counter-Strike have just proven to be extremely successful looking at the game from a pure pvp aspect.

I mean really, you will never see a post on the CS forums about how CS needs to adapt ideas from LoL to be better.

Very well said.

hH0nnUJp5T2 votes

LOL you've finally brought it into "My league of legends skill rank makes me better than you".

This has sadly become the classic argument for someone who is bad at gaming. Just so you know, because you obviously don't get it.. This forum post(to dumb it down, I'm talking about on the first page by Jchosensmurf not 'this' exact forum post) was directly made for you. No doubt about it, I didn't write it but I understand it and its completely you.

The reason your "Better than you clearly." statement doesn't hold up is because YOU are basing that you're better than someone after beating them or being ranked higher than them in a flawed game.

We'll make a sport example since that has been going around and since league is classified as an e-sport.

If you played sports your whole life and really enjoyed it then finally you make it pro and you're playing lets say basketball.. but wait its not quite the basketball you've always known.. This pro basketball league has different rules, having the best score at the end of the game actually doesn't mean you win. To win now you have to have the least amount of penalties, but you still have to play as hard as you can to get a good score. Oh and if you talk trash to the enemy during the game you are banned from the league.

Now the games players break down into a few categories:

1: Smart people that love playing sports but just hate that the one they play has such terrible rules to win. These people realize the game is trash, but continue to play their own way..the way that it should be played, highest score wins. Sure it doesn't win by the way of the basketball league rules. But those rules are broken and following them only makes you worse at this sport and others. (see 4)

2: Smart people that love playing sports and realize that this system is trash and quit and play something else. These people notice right away the game sucks and love sports enough to just play something else.

3: Idiots that play because they don't know that other sports exist. These people are usually the ones that never score any points and don't help the team in anyway, but they're always on top of reporting a good player that has talked trash during the game to get them banned.

4: Idiots that play and try super hard to be 'better' at the flawed game. These people generally don't know that the game is flawed/broken but just assume they're good at it.(This one is you, if you didn't know)

SleepyLionCub1 votes

{quoted}

LOL you've finally brought it into "My league of legends skill rank makes me better than you".

This has sadly become the classic argument for someone who is bad at gaming. Just so you know, because you obviously don't get it.. This forum post(to dumb it down, I'm talking about on the first page by Jchosensmurf not 'this' exact forum post) was directly made for you. No doubt about it, I didn't write it but I understand it and its completely you.

The reason your "Better than you clearly." statement doesn't hold up is because YOU are basing that you're better than someone after beating them or being ranked higher than them in a flawed game.

We'll make a sport example since that has been going around and since league is classified as an e-sport.

If you played sports your whole life and really enjoyed it then finally you make it pro and you're playing lets say basketball.. but wait its not quite the basketball you've always known.. This pro basketball league has different rules, having the best score at the end of the game actually doesn't mean you win. To win now you have to have the least amount of penalties, but you still have to play as hard as you can to get a good score. Oh and if you talk trash to the enemy during the game you are banned from the league.

Now the games players break down into a few categories:

1: Smart people that love playing sports but just hate that the one they play has such terrible rules to win. These people realize the game is trash, but continue to play their own way..the way that it should be played, highest score wins. Sure it doesn't win by the way of the basketball league rules. But those rules are broken and following them only makes you worse at this sport and others. (see 4)

2: Smart people that love playing sports and realize that this system is trash and quit and play something else. These people notice right away the game sucks and love sports enough to just play something else.

3: Idiots that play because they don't know that other sports exist. These people are usually the ones that never score any points and don't help the team in anyway, but they're always on top of reporting a good player that has talked trash during the game to get them banned.

4: Idiots that play and try super hard to be 'better' at the flawed game. These people generally don't know that the game is flawed/broken but just assume they're good at it.(This one is you, if you didn't know)

You basically just said.

"I wish this game was cod so i can win by having a high K/D"

jchosensmurf2 votes

No moron, what he's saying is that having Penalties for trying is counter productive. It causes people to want to surrender & give up & not try hard at the game.

When you say "having a good KDA this isn't COD" and everyone agrees with you, you're influencing the community to believe that it doesn't matter if you die because if anyone talks shit

"Don't worry lets report that guy you didn't make a mistake, we'll get em next time"

jchosensmurf2 votes

I applaud you Silk.

This is the best response i've seen in a while. Such a great analogy as well..do you think Kobe Bryant would remain a Basketball Superstar if they removed his ability to trash talk? That's all he ever does lololol. But if he was a league of legends player with the same skill level riot would ban his account and he'd most likely be bronze because as soon as he said anything all the players would hit the surrender button lol.

ImHerVoice2 votes

hey retard. The only thing that matters is if their nexus explodes.

Food for thought.

jchosensmurf2 votes

not only did you just prove my point tremendously about how league makes players bad at gaming. But holy crap, you overlooked every single aspect of the game that matters.

You've exceeded my expectations, I didn't think someone could be that blind but here you are...

Heres a list of things that matter in league of legends & team based strategy gaming in general.

Not Dying. (matters)

Getting kills (matters)

Taking objectives (matters)

Helping your teammates (matters...although sometimes it backfires...still matters)

Map Awareness (matters)

Strength in numbers (matters 2 v 3 is a lot harder to win than a 4 v3, or a 3 v 3)

Not giving up free hits (this is like taking damage for free giving your opponent an advantage)

Not giving your opponent a Free advantage.

Making good calls instead of bad ones (cause a good fight, win game...cause a bad fight...well you can throw game)

Not throwing.

All of the above things will add up to taking a nexus, or in games like counter-strike winning 16 rounds out of 30.

League, Counter-Strike, Football they are all games of INCHES that's all that matters here watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bzK8r4c6Xc

You should play the way he describes you should play in that video anything less like focusing on the NEXUS only...and not the INCHES, that's what makes you a bad player in general.

SO we can stay here, get the shit kicked out of us...

OR

We can fight our way back. Into the light.

Where when you look around on the battlefield, every single person is standing there with you, fighting for that INCH!

Crawling with there FINGERNAILS for that INCH!!

Feed? feed this!! unkillable.

GANK? gank this!! ungankable!!

4 v 5? NO!

5 v 5 the entire game!!

Face check a bush unwarded....

NO! as 5 we RUSH THE BUSH!

I got your back BRO, and you got MINE!!

You ping for help and we all show up!!

Taking tower hits? we take advantage!!

No man left behind!!

No dragon stolen!!

No baron stolen!!

NO FREE DEATHS@!

NO FREE HITS!!

THESE ARE OUR INCHES!! WE'RE HERE TO FIGHT FOR THAT INCH!!

AND WE EXPECT OUR ENEMY TO BE TRYING JUST AS HARD IF NOT EVEN HARDER, And anything less...means defeat.

because we know!! When you add up all the inches that's gonna be the FUCKING difference between winning and losing, between living AND DYING!!

Either we heal NOW!! as a team, or we will die...as individuals.

That's life guys. That's all it is.

now.... what are you gonna do?

ImHerVoice1 votes

I'm going to tell you I've been gaming longer than you've even been alive (20+ years) And that I've been in tournaments from broodwar. To halo combat evolved Halo 2. Halo 3. Blade and soul. CS:GO CS:SOURCE L4d. L4d2. Wc3 Dota(Wc3 mod) Unreal tournament 2004. And that my gaming experience far exceeds yours. So does my knowledge of game design.

I could talk circles around you all day. or I could do what I'm about to do..

You're a waste of my time. Don't reply to me.

jchosensmurf1 votes

First i'm 27

2nd the games you listed came out after all the O.G. Games that would have impressed me.

Third, whether or not i'm a waste of your time does not change the fact that league is a broken game teaching players bad ethics & values that produce a toxic community filled with negativity, instead of a positive community filled with competitive gamers who improve over time.

I give you a speech from Al Pacino and you proceed to list games you've played in tourneys and leave off the list

Quake 2 & CS 1.3.... or even 1.5 or 1.6!!

And you leave on the list CS:Source!!

then proceed to call yourself an O.G. Gamer!!

Wc3 is a nice touch though not gonna lie...

I also appreciated the Starcraft & dota...but still

For shame!! Shame, shame on you!!

You act as if i've never played those games....and the reality is, you left out Street Fighter 2.

You also left off the list Diablo II.

Along with DOOM!

I don't even know if you really played Starcraft...or you just joined later on in life after all the pro's had moved onto Starcraft 2.

A real O.G. gamer would list Quake 2, it's just impossible not to do that...

You also left off the list Tournament Names & Ladders...

No mention of team names, no ID hype or anything...

Just "I've played all these games that came out post 2000, and grew up on an XBOX playing Halo"

I grew up on an Atari playing SF2 in the arcade where Competetive Gaming was born!!

Unless you wanna count Pong,Brickbreaker, Frogger, Galaga & Pacman you really have no merit.

Get a high score in Donkey Kong then come talk to me!!

Good Day Sir!!

P.S. let us not forget I was encouraging players to gain skill, to try harder in game, to learn how to be a true gamer!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bzK8r4c6Xc

Don't distract us from the brilliance that is Al Pacino, for a list that contains CS:SOURCE over 1.6!!

really no quake 2? are you serious NO quake 2 how the fuck do you...i'm sorry I'm not even, don't talk to me.

SleepyLionCub1 votes

Someone who thinks he is good at gaming brings K/D into it.

Shocking.

jchosensmurf3 votes

someone trying to be sarcastically funny proves my point that league of legends players don't think KDA matters and nonchalantly play it off like all that matters is objectives as if the enemy will just let you have them for free.

SleepyLionCub2 votes

{quoted}

someone trying to be sarcastically funny proves my point that league of legends players don't think KDA matters and nonchalantly play it off like all that matters is objectives as if the enemy will just let you have them for free.

K/D doesnt matter.

Someone can be 1/7, but got 5 towers in split pushing.

Id rather have that person on my team, than the 7/1 person.

jchosensmurf4 votes

thx for proving my point. The fact that you think this just proves league of legends promotes bad gameplay thoughts & ideas.

SleepyLionCub2 votes

{quoted}

thx for proving my point. The fact that you think this just proves league of legends promotes bad gameplay thoughts & ideas.

So you're upset that this game focuses more on winning, rather than k/d?

Go back to cod plz. We don't want you here.

jchosensmurf4 votes

That's like saying, although Payton Manning threw for 500 passing yards in a game, all that really mattered was the defense. So payton manning should stop throwing for 500 passing yards a game, and what he should really focus on, is being a top linebacker....

The fact is, you clearly don't understand what it means to be 7-1, vs 1-7. And the fact you're focused on objectives instead of the statistic itself, just proves you have NO IDEA what stats mean.

If i've killed 7 people and only died 1 time, that means i've been in 8 situations where i've done 7 things right and 1 thing wrong.

But if i've died 7 times and only killed 1 person, i've done 7 things wrong and 1 thing right.

And you might argue "well the towers" but if those towers I only got because my team was busy TEAM FIGHTING the enemy, than really I did NOTHING right, and while we've taken all of TOP LANE, the enemy team just aced us and took our nexus.

L2p NUB

Folding Chair1 votes

Or you could use more than kills to grasp objectives. Siege comps allow you to push the enemy off of their towers without necessarily getting a kill, taking dragon before the enemy results in better late game stats, CS'ing can give you more gold than five kills in most cases and, as well, though kills are necessary, you seem to worship them like they rule the end game results while; even though many games are won by an ace, just as many are won by coordinated pushing.

SleepyLionCub1 votes

{quoted}

That's like saying, although Payton Manning threw for 500 passing yards in a game, all that really mattered was the defense. So payton manning should stop throwing for 500 passing yards a game, and what he should really focus on, is being a top linebacker....

The fact is, you clearly don't understand what it means to be 7-1, vs 1-7. And the fact you're focused on objectives instead of the statistic itself, just proves you have NO IDEA what stats mean.

If i've killed 7 people and only died 1 time, that means i've been in 8 situations where i've done 7 things right and 1 thing wrong.

But if i've died 7 times and only killed 1 person, i've done 7 things wrong and 1 thing right.

And you might argue "well the towers" but if those towers I only got because my team was busy TEAM FIGHTING the enemy, than really I did NOTHING right, and while we've taken all of TOP LANE, the enemy team just aced us and took our nexus.

L2p

?

When did I say getting towers is more important than saving a nexus?

If we have a 14/2 udyr who doesn't try to get Dragon or baron, but rather just keeps killing the 0/17 xerath, I'd be pissed at him when the enemy team comes at us with baron and 5th Dragon.

The goals of league is to capture and defend objectives. Not get the highest k/d.

This isn't cod. The game doesn't end when one team gets 50 kills.

jchosensmurf2 votes

would you rather have the 0 and 17 xerath on your team?

SleepyLionCub1 votes

{quoted}

would you rather have the 0 and 17 xerath on your team?

If he stole 5th Dragon and gave my team the advantage we needed to push ftw.

Yes

jchosensmurf2 votes

rofl you just find new ways to prove me right over and over it's hilarious.

Damagefox1 votes

Ahh finally someone who sees the same thing I do.

I have stated this in game (and apparenly it counts as an "offensive language" report) But League has the strategy of chess. The problem is that all the pieces (champs) are two busy fighting over who captured more enemy pieces (Kills/KDA) and are Willing to completely abandon the Checkmate (Win) to say "look how much better I am than you, I got more kills so I am better than all of you" and they say this to thier own team. Though usually its something more along the lines of "Omg Im so op, I carry my scrub/trash team" and they spend the whole game bragging about it.

jchosensmurf2 votes

When grand masters play chess, they generally resign as soon as one pawn is taken.

Although a check-mate is possible, generally the guy who has taken all of his opponents pieces wins the game.

There is a giant difference between a tank sacrificing themselves to take a tower, and a guy dying in lane 7 times in a row for no reason.

When a guy "hangs" a piece in chess, they call it a blunder.

When a guy dies in lane in league, they call it "feeding"

And yet when I get on here and discuss this, you all talk about Objectives instead of just realizing you're bad at both Chess & League if all you ever do is blunder your pieces & feed.

Sure you might be good at finding a "sneaky" check-mate...but that doesn't change the fact that you're BLUNDERING your pieces, and giving "free" kills to the enemy.

It's a simple statstic, one guy is 7 and 1...that's like I play chess & take 7 pieces and all I lose in the exchange is 1.

VS

I lose 7 pieces and I eventually take 1 in the exchange.

Although objectives do matter...if I could pull off those objectives without giving up FREE PIECES, or FREE KILLS

I would clearly be a much greater player.

Who is to say the guy who goes 7 and 1, won't eventually take an objective....

You have to be pretty terrible to be able to kill champions and not die and not be able to take some objectives as well.

The assumption that the guy who BLUNDERS a lot, and also manages to take objectives is better than the guy who NEVER BLUNDERS and still manages to get kills / take pieces is terrible logic.

It just proves, league players don't have any idea or concept of what it truly means to succeed & improve as a gamer.

And all you really have to do according to league players is "focus on taking towers, feed whenever you want and report anyone who has a problem with it...back to farming while my team dies in a giant team fight...but hey I pushed the top inhib so we might..oh crap we lost our nexus gg"

Folding Chair1 votes
  1. Positive reinforcement for negative actions.

A guy on your team feeds, if you say anything at all, ANYTHING other then "it's okay we'll get em next time" and even that I've been reported for...

instantly the entire team..not the guy who fed, but the entire team yells at you and says you're being hostile and REPORT!!

What this means is no matter what you do in the game, it's okay because "you'll get em next time"

That's not healthy for learning how to play, that just makes every single person think they're amazing at the game & that there mistake wasn't a mistake at all. And if anyone has anything to say about it, they're the ones who are ruining the game...not your own gameplay.

That doesn't make a person think they're great at the game, that makes them not feel like crap for performing badly, which everyone has done before.

The idea is that if instead of straight up telling them they suck, giving them a good piece of advice for the champion or role they're playing, or consolidating them and trying to help them get back on their feet for the rest of the game. You have no idea how much help a positive attitude does for a person who's having a rough day.

"An enemy is legendary!

It's okay Caitlyn , try your best to stay back, get your cs high, that way we can show him how it's done late game."

jchosensmurf6 votes

Reported.

^^ that's how everyone would respond to me, so that's how i'm gonna respond to you.

Now how shitty and arrogant would it make me to just report you for having feedback? Well that's what league players do....

I'm not saying to tell someone they suck, what i'm saying is that if you say ANYTHING at all what so ever, then people report you.

Positive reinforcement is fine, but it's when you say things like "it's okay get your cs high that way we can show him how it's done late game"

You're basically saying, "what you did isn't a mistake at all, and doesn't need improvement, now lets just forget about it and farm and have a chance to repeat the mistake again late game"

In counter-strike if you had an Awp and you started missing shots, they would be in your ear like "drop the awp and give it to a pro"

And yeah that might at first seem like it hurts...but the next time you picked that awp up, you were on the edge of your seat like "I better not mess this up because I don't want to let my teammates down"

Take the same situation in league, where someone is missing all of there shots.

We can even use a nice voice.

Me: "hey can you straighten that shot out, just calm down and breathe a bit i'm sure you'll hit the target"

Teammate: OMG REPORTED!!

Everyone Else On My Team: Report player for saying anything at all. God just let him awp he's doing fine.

Announcer: An ally has been slain, double kill, triple kill QUADRA KILL!!!

Do you see the difference?

In games where talking is acceptable and we don't have positive reinforcement of negative actions,

The player would go "oh crap you're right, I should probably try harder...or give this Awp to my teammate who can land the shot"

vs.

"thx team that guy was really annoying me, gonna go back to missing my shots, oh did we lose the game well clearly it's not my fault, i'm never wrong!!"

Folding Chair1 votes

Hey man, sometimes there are ways to show someone there mistake and show them a positive attitude at the same time, yet you seem to be deadset that you will get reported for something like that, which I never have been, and I'm literally as low in elo as you can get.

jchosensmurf4 votes

Every single time i've ever attempted it, I get raged & flamed at...and oh yes REPORTED after the game. No matter what.

Doesn't matter if i'm really nice about it or anything, the only acceptable thing I can type is "it's okay farm up we got this"

If I type anything else that is related to there gameplay at all, instantly i'm at fault & "reported" is typed. Followed by an all chat "report fizz" or whoever i'm playing, said to the enemy team.

This game encourages people to act this way by giving them the option to report people for "verbal abuse"

Honestly if you don't like what someone said to you, just mute them...you have a choice...but when you give the power to people to if they want to "punish" another individual for there actions in game, you're enabling them to feel that if anyone says anything they don't like, instantly that person is wrong and needs to be reported.

At least that's how the league community handles it!!

S H A Y C 01 votes

"6) Your enemy is destroying you, ok lets give them even bigger guns.

What is up with this game and rewarding the side who is winning?

"double kill, triple kill quadra kill" here man that looked kinda hard and you still pulled it off would you like idk 150 more damage and the enemy can have nothing?"

ok first things first...its not counterstrike, so nobody cares about how counterstrike works.

second, this is a special genre, in where mmo-meets tower destruction/defense- meets RPG

rpg is in caps because thats the answer to your little problem. in rpg's you kill stuff and get xp and get stronger, more abilities buy equipment, yada yada...so because of that element, you have people winning getting stronger. if you dont like rpgs....well dont play them. but that doesnt mean that people that play rpg style games "are terrible at gaming"

playing league increased my map awareness and map traversal skills in call of duty. totally different game and yet somehow league made me better at a whole other game. so because i am a league player i became a better gamer...suck itsummoner 14

jchosensmurf2 votes

Well it's a terrible element to base a PVP game on.

But considering you think your map awareness has improved because of League either you're an exception to the rule

Which is fine maybe as a gamer you're able to become aware of the map.

Or

You're full of shit.

I want you to remove all the wards from League, don't have them on the map and take away tower vision.

Wheres the enemy team?

If your answer is "I don't know"

Then yes league makes you a terrible gamer.

If your answer is "They could be anywhere probably baron or dragon or base I guess"

Then again yes league makes you a terrible gamer.

If your answer is "EVERYWHERE, Every single place on the map potentially has an enemy until I see them and I should be cautious when going into any situation, most likely have 5 players with me if going to blue/red/dragon/baron anywhere on the map etc."

Then congrats you actually are improving as a gamer.

But most league players without wards will answer "I don't know"

Which is the wrong answer.

Games like Counter-Strike taught me, the enemy is EVERYWHERE be fucking careful.

But league players "we need more wards cuz i don't know where they are"

Guess what, the're ganking you at all times...till you see them in a lane they're most likely ganking you, be aware down & ready for anything!!

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