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The Lore is a Mess and I'll Fix it Here

Gespens··100 votes·5,209 views

The link to the forum thread: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4839983

There will be no real tl;dr here, so be prepared for a massive wall of text.

Step 0) Re-establish the League

The League of Legends needs to be a thing for the current lore, the old lore and this proposal. Many champions, if left unchecked, would wipe the world of all life (most notably, Cho'gath, Brand, Vel'koz and whatever that darkness in Fizz/Naut's story was). The League in the prior format gave champions reasons for fighting, be it as simple as wanting information, being attention seekers, or patriotism. Whether or not it became hard for coming up with reasons to get them to fight, it explained why we fought.

Step 1) Scrap all of the lore as we know it, barring core character relations

As it stands, both the current lore and pre 'League does not exist' lore is convoluted as all hell. at this point, the best way would be to simply scrap everything we have, leaving only bare bones details, such as the relationship between certain characters have with each other and their factions (Malz vs Kassadin, Draven and Darius being brothers, the war of the Freljord sisters, etc.). This allows you to come up with ways to fit them into the story, which leads us to...

Step 2) Make the League of Legends take place after most, or all of the Champions have ceased to be

Many people who get invested in the Lore tend to forget the second part of the title. This is indeed a League, but it is one for LEGENDS. The best way to justify the summoners and how they can control beings o great power and pride, would be if they summoned their spirits. They are literally bringing legends to life for the purpose of combat in this fantastical League.

Step 3) Establish a new, fleshed out timeline.

With this proposed idea of the League taking place long after a majority of the current roster has left, the main thing to do is to set a timeline in place, with a series of events. These events can lead into major champion releases, skin releases and explain certain things about the game, without needing to retcon anyone's motivations, character or existence (more than the changes proposed do). The best way to go about this, would be to divide the history of Runeterra into various ages.

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We will call the era that the League of Legends was established in, the Current Age, and have the history span 20, 000+ years in the past.

Age of Origin: Where ancient elemental being begin to form in the land. This age has the origin of magic (Xerath), Fire (Brand), Water, Earth (Malphite) and other such champions that may exist in the future. At this point in time, they were incredibly powerless, so nothing in this age would actually be relevent beyond flavor and explaining the basic settings of the world. The exception to this would be the Chronokeeper. Ends 15, 000 years or so before the Current Age.

Prehistoric Age: Little records of this age exist beyond scientific guesses. However, from fossils, paintings and the once 'Living Fossil' (Gnar), one can assume that the world was a terrifying place to live in. This age will contain champion that fit the themes of primal power, such as Gnar, or bringing in other such archetypes to the game (Club using cavemen, dinosaurs, ancient bugs/fish, etc.). Era lasted from around 15, 000 BCA (Before Current Age) to around 9, 500 BCA.

Mythic Age: Where the elemental beings such as Brand, Xerath and Malphite take form. Humans establish the first civilizations in the Freljord and Shurima desert. This era will see beings tied to the root of the Shuriman Empire (Azir/Nasus/Renekton) and those tied to the Iceborn (Lissandra and any other Iceborn). Major events in this era are the fall of the Watchers and Iceborn, as well as the destruction of the Shuriman Empire. Lasts from around 9, 500 BCA to 4, 000 BCA

Magic Age: Yordles attain sapience and we see humans wander the world in search of knowledge. The Freljord's society falls in this age and is divided into a tribal system. Secrets of the world begin to be discovered, from the monsters in the depths of the ocean, to the mysteries in the shifting sands of Shurima (Skarner and his race-- his race will be returned and be an important aspect in future ages), to the mysterious race of 'Darkin.' This age contains the first reference to the Black Rose and 'LeBlanc.' Sometime in this age, purple lights are seen in the distance and all that remains is scorched land and smoldering clothes of a human (Vel'koz invades Runeterra for the first time). Lasts from 4, 000 BCA to 3, 500 BCA.

Civic Age: Four world powers are formed and nomadic lifestyles cease. Noxus, Demacia, Bandle and the island kingdom of Ohmbra. The kingdoms of Noxus and Demacia initially do not interact, but certain events cause them to become hostile. In this era, Azir attempts to restore his empire, but somewhere along the way, a darkness invades the mind of one of his most trusted guards, Renekton, driving him mad and slaying his former liege. This era sees the first 'Hero,' where a desert wanderer slays Renekton before his fury can slay the Curator of the Sands and spread to the rest of Runeterra. Lasts from 3, 500 BCA to 2, 900 BCA

The First Runic Age: The First Runic Age can be known as one of Runeterra's darkest points, where magic had reached the point of damaging the world. This era saw a strange Darkness overcom the Ohmbra Kingdom and reducing it to ruin. It is said that the corpses and spirits of the royal family and their trusted retainers still roam the land, searching for a way to undo this curse (The Current Shadow Isle champs, sans Elise). Purple lights and scorched earth return to the history of Runeterra in this age. A powerful magician writes a scroll with his knowledge, said to be capable of ending the world if it falls into the wrong hands (Ryze). The abuse of magic also leads to the creation of The Glade and grants various animal-like creatures sapience. This overuse of magic also stains the land and corrupts the Earth Elemental, Malphite and drives him mad, causing destruction across Runterra with his rampages. No one in this era could stop him. Lasts from about 2, 900 BCA to 1, 900 BCA

The Age of Heroes: Magic has ruined the land and continues to do so. One legendary paladin, with gem-encrusted equipment (Taric) gathers forces with several other warriors to heal the world of this corruption at the cost of his own life. His allies go on to form a civilization on the largest mountain in Runeterra, form a civilization on eastern isles to teach his art of swordplay (Master Yi) and gather the remaining users of magic and form the independent city of Icathia. Malphite enters a slumber upon his defeat, from which the body never awakens. Lasts from 1, 900 BCA to 1, 800 BCA.

Age of Expansion: Noxus and Demacia seek to expand their influence and become cities. Bandle establishes relations with them but lose their status as a kingdom due to inferior forces. From this point on, they are known as Bandle City. Freljord makes contact with the other nations and establishes trade. Nothing of note beyond this happens in the era. Lasts from 1, 800 BCA to 1, 700 BCA.

Age of Discovery: The majority of scientific progress in Runeterra begins in this age. Eager to expand further, Noxus and Demacia create colonies in new parts of the world, forming Zaun and Piltover respectively. The neutral city of Bilgewater is formed by the oceans and they make contact with Ionia, establishing trade. in addition, other lands such as the Plague Jungles are discovered. This boom also reveals the mystery of some ancient being of Shurima who bore magical equipment, appearing to be twice the size of any man. Explorers discover a strange door in the Freljord, which no force can so much as scratch, as well as several magical weapons that appear to be made of Ice that may never melt or break, calling it True Ice. Lasts ffrom 1, 700 BCA to 900 BCA

The Second Runic Age: The rapid expansion towards the end of the Age of Discovery encroaches on Icathia. Something goes wrong in Icathia and the land is lost, sucking everyone into what witnesses called a 'Purple Void of Horror.' This event would shape the future of the world. Once again, the cities all began to research magic in such ways that it would awaken and drive the Fire Elemental Brand mad. The Glade bgins to expand and people enter it to never return. Large amounts of dangerous game is hunted by an unknown predator, but left mutilated. Lats 900 BCA to 700 BCA

The Second Heroic Age: With many evils being formed and rising, heroes from across Runeterra begin to form. This can be called the most 'Romantic Era of Runeterra.' (This is where champions who seem like something from Lord of the rings are found). Also, an armadillo gains sapience and immortality in this era, because. (Rammus) 700 BCA to 400 BCA

Declining Age: Magic begins to weaken in the world and spell casters begin to vanish. It is said that once magic users would be born by the handful, but now the families that once fostered powerful magic users are powerless. Ironically, one of the strongest magicians in history was born in this era, said to be capable of bending space to his will. Fortunately, despite his power, he was rather incompetent at using it effectively, oten being defeated in embarrassing ways (Veigar). Lasts from 400 BCA to 300 BCA.

Progressive Age: With magic waning from the world's people, Noxus and Demacia research new ways to wage war with each other. This results in the creation of steam and hextechology at the hands of Piltover and Zaun. Lasts from 300 BCA to 150 BCA

Wild Age: The boom of technology caused Zaun and Piltover to become countries within themselves. Technology progresses and so does crime. Lasts 150 BCA to 90 BCA

Machine Age: Hextech has almost completely replaced steam with a few exceptions. Technology continues to advance and a certain man develops the first Robot as a final example of Steam power (Blitzcrank and Viktor). Said creator, fueled by his desire of perfection transforms himself and the deceased body of the daughter of his coworker into a machine in an attempt to rid them of weaknesses (Orianna). Fueled by his desire to progress, he tries to convert the world into machines to save them from their weaknesses, only to be stopped by a brilliant, handsome and (allegedly) charismatic scientist (Jayce). Piltover also faces a dark era with a terrorist blowing up the city (Jinx/Vi/Cait lore stuff) and Zaun develops the first bio-weapon (Zac). Lasts from 90 BCA to 60 BCA.

Warring Age: Due to the machinations of a certain elemental, magic has been slowly returning to the land. With the power of technology and magic at their hands, Noxus and Demacia enter a war that lasts for 50 years (a majority of the champions come from this age). Lasts from 60 BCA to 10 BCA.

Shadow/Void Age: On one end of the world, The Ohmbra Isles, now known as the Shadow Isles begin to move, spreading darkness across Runeterra. On the other, purple lights which have been reported throughout history have begun to appear and strange creatures exit and spill into the world-- many of which are incredibly hostile to all life as we know it. A single hero finds the archives of the world and speaks to the keeper of time. Here, he learns from the Chronokeeper about powerful magic and devises the ability to summon heroes to combat the shadows. As this war is going on, two men adopt the powers of the invading world and attempt fight on opposing sides (Kassadin and Malzahr). Ultimately, one wins and the Void's threat apparently vanishes. Lasts from 10 BCA to Year 0

Current Era: The Hero of Shadows establishes the Institute of War and forces the nations to hold any political dispute in this war. Summoning Magic is commonplace in this era, but only the greatest may become official Institute Summoners, calling upon the spirits of history and myth, while also calling power to the living fossils (such as Gnar) and living Legends (Zilean, Rammus, etc.) to do battle. Runeterra enters an age of peace.

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The League of Legends functions as it did in the old Lore-- a way for nations to settle disputes. However by making it summon people from Runeterra's history, there is no need to force them to join the lore and it allows Riot to go crazy with the creation of new characters. It also allows lore events to happen without retconning anything that has been established in the new Lore (they are historical reenactments to an extent). But most importantly, this lore allows Riot to come up with complete stories to characters, instead of leaving the people they create half done (old champions), completed but with no room for expansion (old trundle) or stuck in a state of not ever ending (Kha'zix/Rengar and Malz/Kass).

What I posted was a VERY VERY loose idea and I actually cut it down to 1/10 of my actual thoughts. furthermore, the sole concept of 'Champions are past heroes' is the important part.

Step 4) Monetize this

The common thing GD says for why Riot doesn't care, is that there is no money to be had here. On the contrary, a good lore would in fact increase their money by a lot. Take this for example. You go to the bookstore and are looking for a decent fantasy novel, or comic. Then you see one for League of Legends, a game you are interested in/a fan of/obsessed with. you buy it. Boom, there is the money. At almost 100M players, there has to be money involved here that surpasses the production cost.

Second, lore events could even give Riot ideas for skin releases (ie. Noxus High Command Swain) and even balance choices (more things like the ionia/Noxus War). It gets people wanting to play the game, participate in events and it even earns Riot money without needing to spend a **** ton of resources beyond initial work. For example, reskin the maps to fit the various regions and then after that you can host a bunch of lore events. And don't give me the BS of 'making new maps is hard,' when there is a person who DOES RESKINS IN THEIR SPARE TIME.

In summary, lore needs to be redone from the ground up. If the right actions are taken, Riot can not only satisfy their playerbase, but also make money off of writing their world and fleshing out certain things, while also greatly increasing the possibility of new potential champions.

73 Comments

Maganar8 votes

Most people were commenting on how to get this noticed and properly formatted, so I want to at least get the statement out there that this is really awesome. Retcons always leave me concerned, but here we're looking at a way to do it that I could really live with. As soon as I read it, though, the idea crossed my mind: "I wonder if this is - more or less - what Riot currently has in mind." It's possible, though if they do, they didn't communicate it very well on the dev blog because it didn't sound like that. Matter of fact, the idea of removing summoners STILL feels like a contradiction with your proposal of "summoning" past legends, so I have the gut feeling this isn't what they were thinking but I sure hope that it is.

Either way, yeah, I hope this gets seen. Riot could really get this game's story up on its feet with this approach, which would make me excited as all hell.

Hyrum Graff5 votes

You lost me at Step 0) Re-establish the League, but when I read the rest and saw what you meant by that, you had me again. Makes a ton of sense; here's an upvote :)

As a side note, this thread would probably get more traction in Community Creations.

Gespens7 votes

Thank you. As much as I hate this form of discussion, I feel that this is one of the few ways to get any form of Riot attention. Wish I knew which board this went to as well. Is it pssible to move it?

Hyrum Graff4 votes

It's not possible to move it, but you could delete and repost it if you'd like.

Honestly, if you get enough upvotes/comments, it won't matter which forum it's on.

Also, upon thinking more about what you've written (although, admittedly, I read the tl;dr of the long patch - I'm not particularly invested in the lore, and care more about the characters than the story), I think what you're attempting to do, is pretty much the direction Riot is looking to go.

  • They're obviously not going to change the name of the game, therefore the league has to be something.
  • We know the league no longer exists in the world of our champions (or at least, the same time period). This leaves two options:
    • The champions are legends (stories, fictional) from another world (ours), and the league is a recreation/summoning them from another realm. This seems really weird and infeasible.
    • The league exists at a different point in time than the conflicts are taking place. As you said, "Champions are past heroes."

I can't think of any other way they'd tie it together.

Chaste One5 votes

Riot this is how you retcon shit

dialMARK4acti0n2 votes

They didn't explain how exactly they'd retcon it... for all we know it can be just like this guy said! And it's not a bad idea either

Gespens3 votes

They actually have. They said that Summoners are no longer a thing, the League does not exist and that all champions who have any reference to the League/Summoners/Fields of Justice are going to be worked out of the game.

We as players have no connection to the game.

dialMARK4acti0n1 votes

As players we have no connection... to the game...

Players. Game. No connection?

Now you're confusing me, not so much Riot

Gespens3 votes

It's simple really. We as players have no investment in anything that happens in the game. Without some sort of connection to the characters, all this game becomes is 'Watch these particles and models hit each other and a winner will be you!'

It's boring. You don't care about anything beyond the result of winning. Players do not feel a sense of connection to what is going on. All we are to Riot, is a wallet and a statistic.

dialMARK4acti0n2 votes

You sir... are just wrong! And you don't understand what connecting to a character means!

A movie doesn't need to explain why we're watching it. A music doesn't need to explain why we hear it. Why should a game feel any different?? SO MANY GAMES, that you're just a bystander following a character's story, without being able to change it. Yet, just like a movie or a song, YOU CAN STILL CONNECT!!

Maybe, you can connect to the personality or the story of a champion. Maybe you can take Demacia vs Noxus as a metaphor for something in real life. That's how it's supposed to work! And so many time it HAS WORKED! The fact that we were summoners to me, AS A REGULAR PLAYER FOR YEARS AND FAN OF LORE FOR YEARS ALSO, was always: "Oh, cool!", not "OH MAN SO AWESOME I'M GONNA PLAY THIS GAME JUST BECAUSE OF THIS!"

Am I sad they changed it? Yeah! "But' am I happy still? HECK YEAH! This doesn't limit characters to join some forced explanation to why we click them around and such and to follow their own stories!!! I for one like this change, MORE than I dislike it

Gespens4 votes

A movie doesn't need to explain why we're watching it. A music doesn't need to explain why we hear it. Why should a game feel any different?? SO MANY GAMES, that you're just a bystander following a character's story, without being able to change it. Yet, just like a movie or a song, YOU CAN STILL CONNECT!!

Those are horrible analogies. Like, they are absolutely garbage and I question your intelligence reading it.

A movie makes you invested because you are watching the story of the protagonist. A song makes you invested because someone is telling you a story. Games make you invested because you as the player influence the way the story progresses, even if it is just an illusion on the grand scale of it. You control the protagonist.

In all these exampes, you insert yourself into the shoes of the characters. You ARE the characters for all intents and purposes, and the goal of these stories is to move your heart. Take for example, Shadow of the Colossus, a famous Playstation 2 game. The protagonist never so much as says a word beyond the name of his worse, or making whistles, but you still feel encouraged to help him reach the goal. The two of you share the same mission. That is your connection.

as a player of League of Legends, there is zero reason to feel connected to anything that happens in the world of the game. At all. We don't affect the way the story progresses, we don't shape events and we are not even given the illusion that our actions do anything to the world. The player for all intents and purposes does not exist to the game's story. this is a TERRIBLE thing to do for interactive media.

dialMARK4acti0n3 votes

You TOTALLY missed my point with that analogy.

You said, we can't connect to the game because we don't have an explanation for us, Summoners, to be controlling the Champions. But we don't need an explanation for us controlling a character just like we don't need an explanation for us watching a character on screen or like we don't need an explanation for listening to a song.

Korazul1 votes

So when you say we don't need the same for games I wonder what all those people Pre-ordering games think. You know the ones who buy PS4's, Xbox's and gaming computers.

The ones who read reviews about Super Smash bros on the Wii U and 3DS. The one's who look forward to Madden/Call of Duty yearly release. The one's who look towards indie games like Papers Please/Braid/Super Meat Boy. I guess no one bought those games after watching an advertisement, a review, a trailer or listening to a podcast.

Cause apparently we all need to know why I'm going to sit down in a movie theater for 3 hours to hear Russel Crowe butcher the concept of singing or why I should listen to Miley Cyrus becoming Kool-aid Man and coming in like Wrecking Ball. But playing a game for 3 Hours a day for the past Year. Nah why would I need to think about my time and dedication to a game when it only consumes a 8th of my year; I mean why should I as a consumer wish that I enjoy spending so much time on a game.

No one needs to tell me why I play Chess (wait what do you mean there is strategy and and its a method to help develop kids). No one needs to tell me why I play Monopoly ( what do you mean that it's family game that was crafted after the Great Depression and that the property after Jail is valued higher...game Theory????) and No one needs to tell me why I control what looks like a blue Peanut.

dialMARK4acti0n2 votes

You didn't understand my coment AT ALL... Did you?

Korazul3 votes

You don't think the gap between players feeling a connection with the game is wide or there at all.

So my comment was to say that even the simplest games need a reason to play them so that the player can make a deep connection and have the game become ingrained into a person. It's the reason why some games remain with you forever while others vanish.

Like RockBand I must have played that game forever but really it was a fad that faded in 2-3 years. It was the connection I made with the game in making believe I was in a real band playing the circuit getting fans and getting cheered on that makes me wait for baited breath for the next GREAT Harmonix game. It has nothing to do with the game. It was a simple rhythm game.

So League is missing on that same chance. Sure they can have their little MOBA that is here for, what 4-10 more years (maybe infinity doubt it tho) and all anyone remembers is this vague connection to the much larger Riot Brand that makes Cinematics, Statues, books and stuff about this universe or They can make League and it's Lore as important to one another and as important E-sports is to Riot *(Competitive League/Mental Sports or whatever Rito wants to call their LCS's/World Championships)

Gespens3 votes

No, we can't connect to the story because we HAVE NO CONNECTION TO ANYONE. Even if you remove the summoners, why should we care about anything that happens in the story of a game if we have zero control over it and cannot impact it in any way? We do not even get the illusion that we, as a player do it.

Maganar2 votes

The comments they have posted do not seem in accord with this sort of idea. The entire idea of summoners is supposed to be out the window and we still have a facsimile in this proposal. I don't think this is what they had planned, but, yes, the (albeit slim) possibility still exists that they have poorly expressed the nature of their retcon and it really is of this nature.

Pryotra4 votes

I'd sink money into this.

Too bad Riot hates my money, as I'd gladly give it for this. I mean, if they actually cared about my money, why do they keep killing the reasons I spent it on them?

Gespens3 votes

i probably should do a fell re-edit fr this site, but I'm too lazy and these boards are ugly as hell.

Gespens11 votes

That awkward moment when you realize that I had that link on teh first line

Saint Tyrone 3 votes

LOL wow...

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

Cool idea, but I do not like the idea of basing lore on time. Why, you ask?

Because that means some champions will be legends and others are simply "rookie champs to be". Using your current lore, let's say Garen meets Jayce. To Jayce, Garen is a living legend and the literal might of demacia with him on the battlefield. To Garen, Jayce is......some guy with a "magic" hammer. At this point, you're making older champions the automatic "legends" and newer ones are just people who are sorta-known.

It's such a disconnect for me. I like the idea that these champions are all functioning on the same plane of existence and know each other. Making them from all manner of different time period only expounds on the differences and lack of interaction they have on each other outside of the institute. And let's not forget the possibility of time paradoxes.

I applaud you for the amount of time you put into crafting this, but I just can't get behind summoning people from different times and having them either know of these people as living legends or just being "Who's this joker with the magical arm on his back?"

Gespens4 votes

I'm sorry, Marvelous, but I'm afraid you missed a few key points. For starters, you seem to be under the impression that it is literally summoning being and making them live in the current era. It's not like that. Rather, the champions are summoned are more akin to memories based off of historical records found in the Crhonokeeper's records.

I know you are aware of things from japanese pop culture and in fact, I think you even referenced it in one of your old GD threads. Think of this like the Holy Grail War from the Fate series.

Second misunderstanding, the concept of Living Legends is meant to be taken literally. Jayce/Garen come from two different ages, so by the time Garen takes the stand as the Might of Demacia long after the Machine Age where Jayce stopped Viktor's plan. Being generous, Garen would likely be in his 10s by the end of the Machine Age, unless Garen/J4/Lux's stuff happened at the very start of the Warring Age. Even then, Jayce was a person who saved the world. His renown would be huge in Garen's time.

As I said, a Living Legend is literal. As in, in the Current Age, these champions still live, be they elemental beings or otherwise immortal. Xerath, Malphite, Brand, Zilean, Rammus (Okay) are all examples.

As for the disconnect, Riot in their current stance seems to be making it clear that they are doing it themselves. You as a player do not matter to the game's story. For an online multiplayer game, this is downright insulting. Riot is indirectly telling us that we are nothing more than wallets and data resources. Even the current lore, we have horrible justifications of things, most notably being Gnar who in practice and in paper can't reasonably fit into the story of the world as is. How did he unfreeze himself from True Ice?

Even if you feel a bit put off by it, I cannot see how this lore is any weaker than what Riot is doing right now.

Lady Oblivious3 votes

You, sir, need to be hired by Riot for writing something that completely satisfies the player-base's desire to keep the League and summoners relevant, and satisfies Riot's desire to expand, explore, and evolve (did I just write a new tag-line for Riot's design team?) the lore of League of Legends.

The Red Warden2 votes

This would only work if in the current era Bilgewater is a city for space pirates

Gespens2 votes

Well, in all seriousness, it may very well be a port for exploration beyond the stars-- in other words, the start of Runeterran NASA

The Red Warden2 votes

Well being pirates as they are when they saw everywhere else going to sh---, they decided that their only way to 'make it K' would be to escape to the stars. So they stole designs of bandle city's mothership and used them to make a space colony.

In truth though I do like your idea with the only thing sounding strange being that some champions are now elemental beings(?).

Gespens3 votes

It makes sense in teh case of Malphite , who is the 'Summoned from another world' champ and to my knowledge, the last one left (once Shurima is done with). And Brand is basically this already. Why not write them into beings that are tied to the origins of magic, nature and give them a sense of majesty, grandeur and power, remove their pretense of 'Mwahahaha, I am evil!' and turn them into exactly what they are; forces of nature?

Tapu Fini2 votes

Kayle, Morgana.

Being inter-planar is a large part of Kayle and Morgana's lores, especially since they're not even remotely comparable to any other champions. They really don't fit into an element, they're simply what they are, and they'd be difficult to deviate from.

AlbireoAzure2 votes

If this is the direction riot have in mind (or something similar) why not posting something like this? that dev blog said why they will be reseting lore but didn't say what are they doing now, and that mistery is what makes us (me) unable to fully trust the change.

Game and story should be one, maybe diferent formats but tied together, the game is not based on the story and the story is not based on the game.

Sorry for my english.

PS: i like your idea, makes sense and gives room for more stories and finish the ones that already exist.

Omnipherious2 votes

This is good shit.

Future lore would probably make a lot of sense if the League of Legends were in fact a set of stories about Runeterra's past. It would also justify the whole champions battling on different fields they have no business being on since they would be mere constructs called from legend, much like how Baron Nashor of Summoner's Rift is supposed to be a mere replica of the true Nashor.

Honestly, I don't know how to appropriately react to all this. The idea is great and I'd be happy to see it come to fruition. That said, today's dev blog was supposedly the first step at improving communication about the narrative right? I think this dev blog could have been done way sooner given the information that was actually provided to us. Hopefully we'll have a better idea about how stuff is going to shake out soon. I will put my trust in Riot for now and believe that they are watching out for suggestions like this.

On a side note, I wonder what's going to become of the weekly lore discussions by CaptainMarvelous :s

TaisisKitty2 votes

This is awesome have an upvote your going to need more.A loud part of this community is to stupid to enjoy this. I could see so much media from comics to cinematics to short films being made from this time line.

Flemman2 votes

For me, what's need to change is the League itself.

Now, it's an actual place where real poeple fight for x reason, I understand that it lower the lore possibilities.

But, if the league is no longer an actual place, but more of a magic tool (or a board game) that poeple in runterra use to predict the outcome of a battle if famous poeple (or monster) in their world decide to team up for whatever reason. This way, it's not the actual champ that you control on the game, but a magical representation of them base on what the poeple in runetera know about them (explain the number change and rework too :p)

That way, you still, even if it is a small thing, the game and the champion who fight in it. (because that small connection is really needed, even if riot don't think so :s)

Gespens2 votes

If you actually read what I wrote, you'd know that is more or less exactly what I wrote.

Flemman2 votes

Yeah, more or less. The big difference is the timeline thing.

If you make league come long time after the champ era, some of them turn to be just nonsense like orianna.

By placing the league and the champ in the same era, you can also explain why new champ pop from time to time, they are new force in the world (come from the void, break ice prison, realise a impoossible thing,...) who deserve, the moment runeterra know about them, to be in it.

Another point in favor of a same timeline is that, it place the player as a character who live in the same runeterra as those champ, making them more close of you (but it's my personnal opinion :p)

Gespens2 votes

i specifically adress all of those points. Orianna was a person involved in Viktor's attempt to make a revolution, champs pop up as the legends are discovered and other such things.

Crai Crushna2 votes

Wow, nice job. This is a great step in the right direction. Another route would be to continue on with the current lore but make The IoW the bad guys for holding the world hostage.

Hopefully the minions will be robots now (akin to like how in the carton shows of TMNT the footclan are now robots instead of people for the turtles to chop up). Riot is bad at storytelling or lazy. It's not hard to tell stories about summoners and the grey area that is a total controlling Mage zone. Why not do something in game with the lore about some individuals being fighting against them (the summoners). This way, you cna have a story conflict to make the new summoners rift come into the game lore wise and get rid of the institute of war and start making stories post IoW. You could have even started with Lissandra. She has Watcher magic in her now. The watchers are other wordly beings with greater magical and different power than the institute of war (What is True Ice?) Why couldn't she have gone into the reflection chamber and actually lied to the mind mages? That could've been the start. This would allow for trundles lore to be udpated that he was just being used by Lissandra as a scape goat to convince the others that Lissandra wanted the Frejlord but in reality wanted the summoners gone. There were and are a whole bunch of stories that can be told wiht the summoners and how they are basically a false justice. Using a great power to make everyone stop is just ransom, not peace.

333lom2 votes

Could it be that Riot ran out of imagination to think up a reason for Champions to enter the League?

Blaine Tog2 votes

Interesting. This, at least, would be a change that makes sense.

Ryster2 votes

Of all the suggestions for Lore and what Riot should do, I actually agree to this concept the most. I mean, I don't think they need to scrap all the lore and come up with so many eras, but just re-write it with out all the references to the League.

But I like the idea that the League of Legends is in the present time, summoning the Champions from the past to do battle for whatever reasons. This allows each individuals storyline to be connected or not with other champions story, allowing great tales of amazing battles, astounding events, or just back story of the champions without it all ending in "And then they joined the League of Legends for some silly reason..."

Good thought, have an upvote.

Ark Angel HFB1 votes

I don't like the idea of the champ not living at the exact same time.

LuckyReden1 votes

THANK YOU!!! this is what i had been thinking for the longest time! There are no major plot holes. Also on the monetizing thing, I had the idea of putting single player missions for a champion that were purchasable after buying said champion, and there could be purchasable single player expansion covering important events in history. I would totally buy things like that, RITO PLS (i talk more about the single player stuff here, http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/fancreations/gtAwcgfx-lore-ideasa0

Gespens1 votes

Making purchasable expansion would be a horrible move for Riot's business. When I said that they should monetize it, I am referring more to things like novels, movies, TV shows, new games and the like.

LuckyReden1 votes

I personally wouldn't buy any of those, and I fail to see how it would be a horrible move, it would be something similar to Naxxrammas in Hearthstone. Single player missions could be both purchasable by RP or IP and would focus on their origin or defining moment.

Gespens1 votes

It works for Hearthstone because Naxxrammas is a single player mode in a game that is primarily 1v1 and it isn't a lore thing. and it is actually challenging. Hearthstone's 'lore' is just a bunch of in-jokes with Warcraft an WoW. Lore as a singleplayer game mode wouldn't work because Riot's AI is shit for their bots, meaning that you'd either have no fun due to how easy it is, or it'd be gimmicky bots like Doom.

It'd be better to as I said, make in game lore events with reskinned maps, and the winners of said events getting thigns to happen to them, such as a skin being made in celebration... like how High Command Swain exists.

LuckyReden1 votes

That is pretty true, obviously the bots and stuff would have to be improved, and i agree with the custom modes having lore aspects to them. I just don't feel like novel's or things will sell. I know i would definitely pay some rp or ip to play a few little single player modes and maybe unlock an icon for the cooresponding champion. I was just dreaming, cuz realistically thats far far far too much work with little reward for riot.

MarhsallLee671 votes

Step 2 is freaking genius, holy crap. I applaud you, good sir.

Hextechnician1 votes

Can we get a Rioter to acknowledge this? Because this would literally fix a majority of current player concerns about the recent announcement without stifling any plans Riot may have already made for the near future.

Mazianos1 votes

This is an amazing idea!

To add on to this, I think that Riot could hold some events where they count how many times champion A kills or assists champion B and the lore changes depending on how that works. An example being that they hold an event about Malzahar and Kassadin , the one that kills the other the most wins the war of the void determining how the void impacts the story.

Regarding skins, there are many skins that are alternate reality skins (Justicar Aatrox , Justicar Syndra ). Riot could have multiple timelines showing how these champions would have been and how they could have changed the story.

Riot could monetize this by releasing the lore in small increments as a (web?)comic that we would purchase for ~$3, something based off the amount of content in each issue.

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