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I'm just not a good player

LONGJONMCNASTY··1 votes·1,496 views

I've been playing League since around season 2. I started taking it serious around S4 and S4 S5 and S6 i've just hung around silver. My friends are all plat and some are diamond that I started playing this game with so now I play alone mostly but for some reason I just do not improve. I dont rage I dont flame I usually just stay quiet and mute those who do. I'm just not a good player and its started to weigh me down. Last month I went on a streak where i won 25 games and lost 2 and climbed alot. Now its just the opposite with my performance being extremely poor in all of it. I dont like to blame others I always blame my self because I am a believer that if I was good enough I would carry my self in these games. I'm where I belong in ranked I just seem to be very stagnant in where I am and I just do not know how to improve at the game anymore. I really like this game I've recently quit it just because I'm really good at FPS games for whatever odd reason. However, I'm back im drawn to a challenge and this game is a challenge to me. Any feedback on how some of you guys got better at the game is appreciated. Thanks

p.s. sorry for typos wrote this out in a hurry during que

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Swiftstrike43 votes

Also looking at your stats you probably play too many champions in ranked and maybe too many roles.

It looks like your Lucian, Darius, and Malphite are your mains and you are OK with all of them. Your Amumu looks good, but he is very dependent on having a competent team.

In general, in Silver, I think it is harder to climb from the bot lane. Not saying it can't be done, just that the bot lane has too many variables and is wildly inconsistent. You have two other people trying to kill you and a jungler sometimes coming down. If your support isn't that good you will probably lose lane and if you are supporting and your ADC isn't that good you will lose lane as well.

As an ADC, you are also largely dependent on your team for protection and silver players kind of don't do that well.

They won't protect the ADC at critical times, they stay in lane forever, and will die chasing kills. This all makes it harder to group and take objectives and for you to stay alive if you are ADC.

Your lucian stats are good, but my guess is your wins and losses follow two routes when you are ADC:

  1. You and your support steam roll the bot lane and you accumulate a lot of kills, winning pretty handily or
  2. You and your support GET steam rolled and you and he/she die A LOT losing by a large margin.

People in silver don't know how to play from behind very well and the lanes can get out of hand very quickly. This also makes the division more susceptible for comebacks, if your team is coordinated. Silver players often make enough mistakes in game after getting a lead to lose it.

You should pick 2 roles you want to play almost exclusively. One of those two roles should be your "main" and you should play that one more often than the other.

And then you should have a back-up role, if you need to swap with someone in champion select.

The other two roles you should never play in ranked. Just practice them in normals and dodge if you get those roles.

I will suggest try avoiding the bot lane, but if you want to continue playing it, you should pick up support as well to fully understand bot lane dynamics. I think most ADC only players do not understand the support role very well and this is frequently reflected in their attitudes and treatment of their support.

By having knowledge of both roles, you will improve as a player. It is also why I think Top mains should learn mid and vice versa.

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

I've learned the hard way most of what you said. I love adc its probably my favorite roll. I got pretty decent with lucian (well for silver standards) however I just felt like most team fights i spent running away from a vi or a tryndamere or something and I cant kite them forever. I just recently started playing top lane. I did decent with darius for a while and started playing poorly. I love amumu but i usually only play him when i have a full team same with malphite. I like kennen I need to learn the ins and outs on him more. I've been way more successful playing top lane and mid lane than i was in bot lane. Even though I feel like im not as comfortable top or mid I tend to win more there. I actually really like swain too right now but I try to play alot of champions with AOE ults. It seems to be the most affective for this elo if I can set up a good ult it can change the game. The downside if I go even and don't absolutely steam roll the game I cant really win unless the rest of my team wins lane or goes even. I'm prob going to focus on top and mid. I really like malphite and kennen. Every now and then i'll pull out tryn. I play low skill champs or try to because my mechanics I dont feel are all that great right now.

Swiftstrike42 votes

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I've learned the hard way most of what you said. I love adc its probably my favorite roll. I got pretty decent with lucian (well for silver standards) however I just felt like most team fights i spent running away from a vi or a tryndamere or something and I cant kite them forever. I just recently started playing top lane. I did decent with darius for a while and started playing poorly. I love amumu but i usually only play him when i have a full team same with malphite. I like kennen I need to learn the ins and outs on him more. I've been way more successful playing top lane and mid lane than i was in bot lane. Even though I feel like im not as comfortable top or mid I tend to win more there. I actually really like swain too right now but I try to play alot of champions with AOE ults. It seems to be the most affective for this elo if I can set up a good ult it can change the game. The downside if I go even and don't absolutely steam roll the game I cant really win unless the rest of my team wins lane or goes even. I'm prob going to focus on top and mid. I really like malphite and kennen. Every now and then i'll pull out tryn. I play low skill champs or try to because my mechanics I dont feel are all that great right now.

The key is finding a couple good champions in the mid and top lane and then play them A LOT. Honestly, if you are good with champions counter picks don't really matter in silver. Neither does role. I feel like platinum players and higher are good at exposing matchup weaknesses, but silver players? Not really.

Champion versatility I also think is also important in what champions you decide to play.

By this I mean, you can "win games" through two separate strategies.

Take Tryndamere. You can win a game through constantly split-pushing (going where the towers are), killing people in teamfights via grouping, or hard pushing one lane and NEVER leaving it. You basically smash your opponent and just apply constant pressure in the lane. You can even get smashed in your lane AND still be relevant by just farming up and applying pressure. He is pretty forgiving

Some champions, such as Malphite can't do this. They have ONE win condition typically, and that is through teamfighting.

Kennen is another champion that has lower versatility, but more than malphite. They are a high damage AP caster that prefers team fights. If they get behind in lane, against a tank or a carry they are basically useless and REMAIN useless for most of the game.

They can snowball well though, through early kills. But the champion needs kills to continue to apply pressure on opponents. Also against tanks, they eventually do not do enough damage to burst down a tank. Which is one of the reasons I don't like this pick in the top lane.

Swain still keep getting banned in ranked a lot, so I don't see much reason to learn a champion who is frequently still banned.

You reasoning on low skill-cap champions is good. Playing any champion with a higher skill-cap in your Elo can hinder your advancement as a player. The simpler the champion the easier it is for you get good with him.

I do think juggernauts are really good in terms of their versatility for the silver division. They can build tank, do a lot of damage, and can apply a lot of pressure in lane. I don't think pure tanks or pure carries are very good in silver, because they have limited conditions in which to win games.

For example Riven would not be a great champion because she has to get kills and win lane to be effective. She also isn't that good at team fighting.

I think Tryndamere Jax Darius Illaoi Irelia Nasus Pantheon Fiora Trundle Vladimir Chogath are all really good top laners for silver because they are pretty versatile.

Chogath is on the list primarily because he can build A LOT of different ways for the situation, which effects how he can be played.

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

I appreciate all the help man I really do. I screen shotted all this so i could look back on it. I've been thinking about learning irelia shes one champ since season 2 ive just never played lol. My buddies in curse chat right now just told me I need to stick with mid I never play it but they say I'm by far a better mid player than anything. I'm going to main top and mid and really focus on those two.

Off topic but back in like S3 and S4 when I was bronze 5 lol I carried to silver playing nothing but AP nidalee Lmao. I was really good with the old nidalee I miss her. Shes was my exception on low skill cap champs lol

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

wanted to give you an update im playign annie mid and darius top. its going very well actually

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

I've learned the hard way most of what you said. I love adc its probably my favorite roll. I got pretty decent with lucian (well for silver standards) however I just felt like most team fights i spent running away from a vi or a tryndamere or something and I cant kite them forever. I just recently started playing top lane. I did decent with darius for a while and started playing poorly. I love amumu but i usually only play him when i have a full team same with malphite. I like kennen I need to learn the ins and outs on him more. I've been way more successful playing top lane and mid lane than i was in bot lane. Even though I feel like im not as comfortable top or mid I tend to win more there. I actually really like swain too right now but I try to play alot of champions with AOE ults. It seems to be the most affective for this elo if I can set up a good ult it can change the game. The downside if I go even and don't absolutely steam roll the game I cant really win unless the rest of my team wins lane or goes even. I'm prob going to focus on top and mid. I really like malphite and kennen. Every now and then i'll pull out tryn. I play low skill champs or try to because my mechanics I dont feel are all that great right now.

I need to find a couple champions that I am comftorable on like lucian. Luc just felt right if that makes sense like I know exactly how far i could take him while still being safe etc. I tend to do better with ranged champions than mellee. With the exception of yasuo. I'm not a good yasuo player by any stretch but for whatever reason when I pull him out I win lmao.

Treeofwar2 votes

from looking at your match history you dont cs well that is something you should work on also try pressuring your advantage when you get one in lane. Your warding could also be a lot better

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

thanks for the input ill work on that more

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

looking at my match history it seems the games that i went on that big streak in all of them my CS was alot higher than my others and warding was a little bit better. I wonder why i stopped doing that all of a sudden.

Dynikus2 votes

You definitely need to place more wards and focus more on CS. There are games where you placed 1-2 wards in 30+ minutes, and had 3 cs/m. Ask your friends in plat and diamond to skirm and see if they have any suggestions on what you could improve on, be it skill shots, champion knowledge, overextending, whatever. Play some normals with them as well so they can see your positioning in team fights, if you know when to and when not to play aggressively, how your shot calling is, how your map awareness is, if you're picking the right target during team fights, and so on.

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

i appreciate the advice. I'm playing with one of them on his smurf right now. I feel like CS and warding are my biggest issues right now. In lane im usually decent about warding but when the game gets on especially when we are getting pushed back into base i have a habit of stopping warding cause i feel like any time i go ward im going to get caught out. I appreciate the feedback. I'm good to criticism. I dont have a god complex or anything so dont be afraid of hurting my feelings lmao. I'm just trying to learn man.

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

Also i checked my match history and when i went back to when i was winning alot i actually was CSing alooot more my warding stayed about the same but my CS was way better in the games i won

rtbf221479702 votes

Macro knowledge is everything. Constantly keep enemy map position on your mind and ward when they're all accountant for. Control a quadrant and use pinks more. Epic outplays, although boss, doesn't win games so play conservatively until you know you can definitely out trade. Maximize your burst without going all in until you can guarantee the kill or force them back but don't get heal baited... :P

LONGJONMCNASTY2 votes

thanks for the feedback man. Yeah I tend to play extremely conservative. Sometimes I feel like that bites me in the ass though like i'll play too safe and maybe if i would have taken a few more risk I could have changed the outcome.

rtbf221479702 votes

Add me, I'm around Monday through Thursday. We can duo and I'll show ya how to carry.

Swiftstrike42 votes

Irelia is a really good choice because she can split push pretty well with her ult and use her Q to gap-close and kill squishy targets. Her builds vary, but typically she builds one or two damage items and then full-tank.

Knowing when she hits her power spikes is key. Good Irelia's also freeze waves when they have their spike, zone the opposing laner off farm, gap close, stun, and then ult.

She is also easy to gank for, so a lot of junglers will help you out.

Falling behind with her stinks though because you will have to make hard decisions with her itemization path. She needs triforce to be relevant, but if you fall behind you typically have to start building tanky.

She is banned pretty frequently now, but I think that when her passive is nerfed she will not get banned as much.

Good luck in your climb!

grug2 votes

Hey OP,

I read something significant in your opening post.

You mentioned that you don't rage, flame and just mute. Usually this behaviour is telling of a non-assertive passive player, you have to get mad and start raging because only then can you start severely analysing everything that is wrong. Severe frustration is a great learning tool for improvement not just in video games but in a lot of aspects of life. Of course, there are also many people who just process and adapt amazingly.

I am led to believe that you simply aren't aggressive enough

LONGJONMCNASTY1 votes

This is very possible. I dont talk alot I tend to play extremely safe. I've always been a fairly passive person. Do you think I should be more aggressive like in my game play maybe taking more chances etc or having a more aggressive mindset when it comes to things going wrong etc.

Thank you so much for the feedback btw

DREADN0UGHT2 votes

Focus on improving on a few select champs. Practice new champs outside of ranked.

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