Teammates perform worse if you harass them after a mistake.

InsaneSamurai··28 votes·2,930 views

Just a friendly reminder :)

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YGW Caspie11 votes

You know why harassment isn't helpful? Because telling your teammate they suck or they're bad is not going to help them, it is NOT criticism it IS bashing. Criticism would be something like "Hey, next time you split push wait for us to be in a position to take an objective."

I know if I get caught I immediately think "(random swear) I should not have done that, and I should pay more attention next time." Basically, if you are going to type something to a teammate put yourselves in their shoes first and ask yourself if what you are typing is going to be helpful or not. If you are just venting then keep it to yourself also if you are getting frustrated then you should probably take a break because it's easy to tilt if you're frustrated.

Wait a second you know what you're doing wrong, and you know that you continuously make this mistake and you're frustrated that your teammates are agitated for something that at this point can't even be considered a mistake.

Now this is interesting as well but please keep in mind the difference between criticism and harassment. If you can't offer a solution to their mistake or point out their mistake in a non-condescending way then just keep it to yourself. I know this will probably make people upset at me but just remember I'm not saying you shouldn't point it out but if you DO have the urge to point it out then please keep it polite or offer a solution.

InsaneSamurai4 votes

Indeed!

iStalkCheese5 votes

too bad 9/10 times people get offended whether you're rude or just giving them tips.

FourteenFCali2 votes

too bad 9/10 times people get offended whether you're rude or just giving them tips.

PhoenixOfHeaven7 votes

agree completely! ive been yelled at so much, especially since im the type of person to run into battle as a support.....

Tsunday5 votes

Wait a second you know what you're doing wrong, and you know that you continuously make this mistake and you're frustrated that your teammates are agitated for something that at this point can't even be considered a mistake (as being the 'type of person' implies you do it quite often) but more of a conscious decision to run into battle as a support. A mistake is when you go in on an engage thinking you have more power than the Jayce, and then he levels up due to minions and you realize that Jayce can 1v1 you and win. A mistake is not 'whenever I play support I run right into battle and die because of it' because you definitely know what you're doing wrong. If you consciously know you're doing it it's not a mistake, and if you want people to not get mad at you for doing it, you already know what you're doing wrong and it's a super easy fix.

If the problem is you're playing supports that you feel like should be engaging (of which a lot of supports are actually better for counter engaging than actually engaging) then play different supports. Leona is the only support I can think of that's better for engaging than counter engaging and she's a primary tank (which is relevant because it should be the tank/bruiser who initiates the fight with their disrupt/cc). Nami/Sona ults are better for counter engage, Thresh can do just as well with a counter engage/peel for the carry. Soraka doesn't get in people's face to start an engage, Janna is meant for disengage/counter engage, Orianna's 'engage' is often used by having someone else engage and then pressing E + R, Lulu's engage is having an ally engage and then pressing R, Braum's engage is better as a counter engage. A support's job is to protect the APC/ADC and help control the flow of the teamfight. If you're the one who engages the teamfight then you're not by your carry to peel for them. If you're not the one who engages and you're the one who follows up you shouldn't be yelled at for being a part of the battle.

If you're getting yelled at in 2v2 scrims in botlane either learn to just ping you're targeting an ally before planning to go in if you're Leo who actually gets pulled to them, or don't all in them. You're not going to get yelled at for tornadoing someone or bubble stunning them, you get yelled at for making a full on engage.

redniwediS7 votes

To be fair knowing what to do (or in this case not do) is very different from doing it in an actual fight. I know that I tend to chase too far, but knowing this does not make it easier to stop chasing.

InsaneSamurai1 votes

I had the same problem for a very long time, but if you keep trying to tell yourself to stop doing whatever it is, it will work eventually. Not that I don't still chase too far, but at least I do it less :D

InsaneSamurai3 votes

Some supports absolutely excel at running into battle, and many others can do quite well. I generally have the same mentality when I support, and when I sup for a random person that doesn't know me, it often fails. When I do this with people who know what I'm doing, however, it leads to extra pressure and sometimes kills/objectives. Everyone has their own playstyle, and bot lane especially is the hardest to try and meld together when it comes to two random players. I for one would love to adc with this guy :)

Serpents Embrace5 votes

Most also don't know what "harass" is. Saying "can you get a ward?" after a gank is apparently harassment and verbal abuse. Asking someone to ping before they gank next time so you can get ready is evidently harassing them enough to get muted and threats of no more ganks. Unless you're really going to define what you mean, your reminder isn't so "friendly" as pointless.

Deathless81C5 votes

Teammates who intentionally troll,afk, and intentionally feed make all games worse. Just a friendly reminder.

Jamatrix6664 votes

My friends pointing out my flaws always helped me much more than my friends who yelled at me after a mistake. For example, my biggest flaw was that I had little to none map awareness. I wasn't using Pings, nor was I paying attention to them from my teammates. My friends were much more experienced so they were mad at me for getting caught, chasing too much or going for an objective while I should back away.

But some were nice enough to tell me nicely to check my map more often, to use ping and to wait for back up for objectives. Thanks to them, I am now a much more experienced player who take better decisions. I'm even the one making the calls sometimes, because I know I improved a lot and my judgment is good (not perfect, but good enough most of the time).

TL;DR: Be patient with the ones making mistakes. Pointing out their flaws nicely will make them better players after a little while. Bashing them will just make them become trolls or worse, Teemo users.

The Red Warden3 votes

I usually will ignore a teamates mistakes except if they do it continually (such as walk into the river when you know their jungler has been camping you) or when they do something completely illogical (trying to win a 1 vs 5 even though most of the enemies have the same amount of items as you)

I will then tell them what they did and only get angry if they continue doing it. Feedback is necessary for improvement you know, a person will never do better if they are only told positive things and not their mistakes

Edit: I am not another of the complainers, when I give advice, I make it actual advice not a bash. If they are losing lane I tell them strategies I have used against that champion and not just that they suck. If they are losing lane to their counter I will tell them just to hug tower more and not extend if their jungler is gank heavy.

It just sounds like you have seen so much negativity in game that you don't realize that some people are actually not toxic

YGW Caspie6 votes

Illogical decisions like 1v5s are usually trolls and trolls feed off anger so I would argue you're doing it wrong. Also anger is not helpful either, it doesn't help them and it clouds your own judgement as well which makes you play worse too which only feeds the fire. Feedback is necessary but there is a big difference between "Pls stop overextending baddie, you're single-handedly losing us the game" and "Don't push up too far without wards, if you need wards somewhere ask and we can all group to gain vision".

Stop treating solo Q as a blame game and start treating it more as a team game, don't think of your teammates as the reason you're not challenger but rather think of them as teammates. The goal is to win so use teamwork and communication to win. I realize typing actual criticism/solutions in a game is long and requires thought but if we all stop wasting time typing useless bashful comments we might get there one day.

The Red Warden2 votes

If you read my post you would see that I only get angry if a person repeats their mistakes over and over. Until then I will probably warn them about anything I have experienced and tips on how to counter their opponents.

Typically I am very calm in how I tell people this with an example being "next time ward from behind the wall so the jungler won't easily just snag you when you get near his bush"

Usually when I comment like this the person will actually fix their mistakes and start doing better. Sometimes though I end up as the only positive member of the team while the rest are raging at each other, and I have to get them back to focusing on the game

redniwediS3 votes

You can get as angry as you like for whatever reason you like, but if any of it shows up in chat it is instantly a detriment to your team. If anything typed is not 100% positive it can and will end up being either not helpful or detrimental.

I've identified mistakes that I constantly make, but no amount of criticism, constructive or not, will assist in keeping it from happening again. Although it may not be going through my head at the time once I make a mistake I know exactly what I did wrong, and the same can be said for the vast majority of league players.

Compliment the good things, and offer constructive criticism either after the game is over or if they are willing to accept it. A constructive comment can put someone on tilt as easily as a toxic one if it's blatantly obvious.

The Red Warden2 votes

Actually I am usually told by my teamates that I am the only positive player on the team. I have 140 honorable opponents honor points and 130 teamwork points for a reason.

I accept that I am to supposed to stay positive but that doesn't mean I won't try and help allies from making the same mistakes over and over. If I am giving criticism I make it positive and if a person can't handle even friendly criticism without suddenly raging and going on tilt, why are they playing a team game?

When I play I am trying to make friends with my allies and not sett them up to hate me

TenSlashTen1 votes

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Wullf3 votes

More like: "When you type, you can't play"

ChaosThief2 votes

Always gotta have that bad game, then a teammate comes and makes it worse. Am I the only one who is momentum based when it comes to winning a game? (If I win, I play better, if I lose I play worse)

sp4412 votes

Right. If you call the teammate who is doing badly "trash" or "you suck go kill yourself". They're not going to reflect on their mistakes. You're just going to either piss them off so much that they completely forget to do their job, or become too fixated on kills, or you're going to depress them so much that they will completely lose focus of the task at hand, either way, he'll be playing worse and feeling incredibly shitty to booth. If making him feel shitty was your objective, congratulations, just never play with me, ever. And god help you if you play against me, I will pick Teemo against you and constantly spam ctrl + 4, and mock you for every mistake.

BrZy2 votes

"Mistakes" lose you 90% of your games. Just a friendly reminder. :) Also, going 1-12 is not a mistake. Most likely the result of MANY mistakes over and over. In which case, people usually tend to be, and have the right to be, very very angry with you. Not only do mistakes RUIN the experience of my game, the end up costing me LP for something i had no control over. Do you understand why you get yelled at yet? There are no room for mistakes in a game swung so easily by them. Period.

PhoenixOfHeaven1 votes

Just a friendly reminder :)

I play Anivia support(sometimes) and she is offensive. and im th type that likes to stay positive also, I just haven't been in enough games to win anything. not even lvl 30 yet.

TenSlashTen1 votes

Teammates preform equally as badly if they're never taught the RIGHT WAY to do it in the first place.

Just a friendly fact.

Very Ratchet1 votes

People get mad regardless because most take constructive criticism as flaming.

Deathless81C1 votes

I've never seen a game with more crybaby, non team oriented assholes. By far. Counterstrike in it's heyday people at least knew how to play. Maybe it's just NA but never seen such a slew of self entitled douchebags who play terribly, are assholes about it. Then bitch when they get called out on it by teammates. As much as I like TSM I spitefully hope NA never wins a damn thing at a Worlds event until NA learns how to grow up.

Wullf1 votes

I dissagree If you tell your stupid teammates that they suck and that they are thrash they will realise their mistakes and will do better.

Calabok1 votes

Don't tell people what to do. Just report them in the end for their poor performance and or absence.

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