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I just had the worst Cho'gath player on my team...

coppinslinger·2/9/2015, 8:52:20 PM·288 votes·11,656 views

But you know what? He didn't cry. He didn't whine. He didn't beg me for ganks (I'm jungler) and blame his teammates.

He simply said "Sorry guys, I don't play mid, trying my best." And he played the game. He farmed the best he could under tower, he built first item Frozen Heart against the enemy Zed who killed him 7 times in lane. He grouped with the team and tried to make plays at important objectives.

He ended up being a very useful member of the team, peeling for the back-line, and helping us win team-fights. He ended the game with 252 CS, not a bad score despite going 0/7/0 in lane.

And you know what? We lost, but it was a good game. Our top and mid did poorly, but they played as a team, and we had a few comeback fights. We played the game instead of raging at each other.

Simultaneously, I had a Sona on my team. Our bot lane won lane despite multiple ganks. She did a ton of damage as support, and got many multi-man ults off. She was incredibly skilled at her role and champion. But you know what? She raged at the team everytime we made a mistake. She distracted herself and her teammates by typing long arguments in the chat box. Instead of focusing on the game, she was focusing on how bad her teammates were playing. We lost the game, and I'm not surprised. All chances of a comeback are ruined when your team is busy arguing with each other.

Who would you rather have on your team?

Let's just get this straight. Play the game, do your best, and have fun. If you aren't doing that, then you are a detriment to your team, no matter how fed you were in lane. You are ruining the game not only for your team but for yourself.

If we had more players with their head in the game, instead of on the scoreboard, LoL would be full of close, quality, FUN matches. So take that into consideration next time you want to insult your 0/7/0 Cho'Gath mid.

Edit: After some thought, I realized that perhaps I was asking the wrong question. After all, you can't control who is on your team. What you can control is your own behavior though. I wanted this post to get people to consider why they actually play League and act accordingly.

The more poignant question is then: "Who would you rather be?"

155 Comments

DrCyanide2/9/2015, 11:58:53 PM62 votes

I'm 100% OK with humble, horrible, players on my team.

2pudge1cup2/10/2015, 12:25:28 AM54 votes

All that sona needs is "cry me a river and put a ward in it"

youngjake932/10/2015, 12:20:36 AM32 votes

It really disgusts me when people like this Cho'Gath player getting flamed for doing poorly. I hate when someone(whether it is me or a random player) gets last pick and is stuck on a role they suck at, lets everyone know ahead of time that they are bad at that role but will try their best, and then getting raged at by their teammates for the smallest mistakes. Meanwhile, the person that stole their best role is usually performing less than optimal and receives no flak for it.

I'm happy you had fun and didn't get mad at the dude that was probably already severely frustrated.

Toa of Death2/9/2015, 11:48:56 PM23 votes

We Chogath mains usually keep a cool head. We know that when we do bad it's usually our fault and raging at our teammates isn't gonna make us do better.

Blue Moon Wolf2/10/2015, 9:35:22 PM15 votes

YOU FOOLS, YOU MESSED WITH THE NATURAL ORDER!! http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/League-of-Legends-%D1%84%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B-ctrl%2Balt%2Bdel-%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%8B-742265.png

Jeddy0172/10/2015, 1:39:30 AM14 votes

Agreed. I rather have a teammates who's doing terribly yet still working hard to play the game over a teammate with Korean challenger level skills yet has more rage than Mega Gnar Renekton & Tryndamere combined & is more toxic than Cassiopeia Singed Twitch & Teemo combined.

Toxic attitude is worse than a feeding mid laner.

HappyWalrus2/10/2015, 2:31:20 AM12 votes

If people stopped raging all the time, then other people would be able to get better at the game.

blujadajhdja2/10/2015, 2:10:07 AM11 votes

I tried to tell a raging teammate this and all he did was rage more. Apparently because he thought I was a "pacifistic pussy."

GaleWinUnleashed2/10/2015, 2:11:52 AM11 votes

Attitude > skill

COWmanLord2/10/2015, 1:01:54 AM10 votes

In my experience even if the people who rage do well in lane, they tend to be the people who go off and do something that ends up throwing later on, even if they didn't put us behind initially. In most cases they go try to push down a tower on their own when we don't have vision of the map and they get caught out and killed because of it. Then they rage at team for not being there.

mvargus2/9/2015, 9:00:21 PM9 votes

+1

I had a similar experience some time ago when I brought out Riven back when I was just learning the game. We had one player rage on me most of the game about how poorly I was playing. We pulled out a win, but I know I played much more poorly than I could have if he hadn't been moaning about our play. (and then calling for a surrender when we had taken a nexus turret are were about to take the second.)

Tough Guy2/10/2015, 2:04:46 PM9 votes

"It happens" is written on a sticky note on my computer monitor to remind me that players make mistakes and just have fun with the game.

mjack332/10/2015, 9:26:22 AM6 votes

To be blunt, there are three ways to "tell someone what they should be doing". I'll give an example, in this case what I could say to an overaggressive adc.

"Would you be willing to play a little less aggressively for a while? I don't think this is working and maybe something else would. Could we try staying close to tower for a bit?"
"You are being too aggressive and it's making you die. Stop it."
"WTF are you doing? Stop feeding."
is asking someone to do something instead of handing out commands from on high, and more than half the time this actually works for me. The tone is also more friendly, which makes people more willing to listen instead of responding with whatever retort they were thinking of.
is still okay, but it's less helpful, more confrontational, and has the ability to set some people off. This actually works less than half the time when I try it.
will make me mute you and then you've accomplished absolutely jack ****.

So. Which is the most effective way to handle the situation?

The issue with league, and with a lot of the comments below, is that being confrontational as **** seems to be the standard. "Here is what you are doing wrong. Here's what I'm going to tell you to do. Now do it" is not a way to get you what you want. Sometimes people will listen, and sometimes it will have the exact opposite effect. And you know what happens when people ignore your commands from on high AND THEN you start to get a little more abusive?

The game is lost. .... That's it. You are no longer acting as a team, so the game is lost. Good day. Have fun with that.

Edit: While I'm here, this seems to be the flavor of the thread, so I'll give some ancedotal "evidence".

I'm Teemo. I'm also the adc. I have know idea how to play any adc roles but that's just how life works when you pick last. I have told my team that I have no idea how to play ADC and told them well ahead of time. They were not willing to switch.

My lane partner is a Malphite. Now I don't know how many of you know a lot about Malphite, but let me just say that Malphite is a much better top than support and the reason we had a support Malphite is because Malphite apparently is even worse at adc then support. Go figure.

So great. Bottom lane has no idea what to do in bottom lane. What is the rest of our team like? Well we've got an ahri mid that knows what she is doing.

We have a volibear jungler that would really rather have been playing top or mid but again that's how the slice of the pie goes I guess.

And we had a Trynd top.

The opponents, go figure, were mostly counterpicks. Because yeah. That actually happened :(. Go figure.

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen right? Well our opponnets surrendered at 30. Do you know how?

No one yelled at each other. Ahri and Trynd did there thing. Volibear kind of did his thing but let me be blunt when I say this was one of those junglerrs who spends too much lane and not enough time in the jungle if you know what I mean. The kind who really shouldn't be jungling but won't admit that. And poor Teemo and Malphite sit on tower for the first 15 or so minutes of the game.

And an amazing thing happened. Every one of our lanes struggled, but absolutely no one died for 10 minutes and no one yelled at each other. Everyone did their best. 20 minutes in our team had 7 kills to 3 deaths. (Real slow game tbh). 30 minutes in the enemy team just up and surrendered because we had taken 5 of their towers and they hadn't scratched one of ours. The kill score was something like 28 to 15. In the final chat, do you know what happened to the team that should have kicked our collective arse. Well apparently, top and adc got pissed about 12 minutes in because despite their advantage no one was getting kills yet (despite some close exchanges). When we got a slight advantage 15-20 minutes in, they started to yell at each other. And by 25 minutes in the opposing side basically had 2/3 of their team muted. Which had the side effect that they weren't really doing well in lane while we grabbed dragon a couple of times. After grabbing baron at about 28 minutes in...... that was the end of that. 2 more towers fell and they surrendered because they didn't want to deal with each other. And we got to listen to all of this from people yelling at each other in all chat because the opposing team really needs to know what you guys are cussing each other out with. :(

And that's my story. I went 7/3/8 in my worst role by the end of the game too.

IGotScuttleCrabs2/10/2015, 12:38:31 AM5 votes

Anytime I or someone on my team doesn't do well (and face it, it happens to everyone) I ask if they ever lost lane before. Or ever had a bad game. They never have a good response to that. Just continue - report "champ" for "complaint".

And I feel I'm the only one that ever backs up a player not doing well. Worst of all I fell back into bronze after the reset and this is where I see this happen the most. When someone starts bitching I'm like really dude? You're just as bronze as the rest of us so you have no room to talk about bad mechanics or plays.

Yulen Xoshxius2/10/2015, 12:03:52 AM4 votes

That story brings tears to my eyes.

Pozio2/10/2015, 12:18:22 AM4 votes

Whenever someone says "REPORT X FOR FEEDING" I say that I'd rather have a feeder in a team, than a s item 3342 ~~orb~~, complaining, unrespectful person.

Spacesuit Spiff2/10/2015, 2:49:09 AM4 votes

I'll share a similar experience.

Couple days ago, our adc was last pick, went mf. I was supporting her and by level 3 I could tell she didn't play a lot of adc because she was missing cs, taking free harass, not following my cc, etc. Which is fine, it's not like I adc much either, but I could tell she wasn't going to be able to carry. So I politely asked the jungler to ignore botlane and make sure our Azir got fed out of his mind, and once midgame came around I pressured mid with the team so that MF could get caught up on farm by herself. Even though MF had a million unnecessary deaths, we eventually communicated what we needed her to do in teamfights (stand at the back and press R) and we ended up winning the game.

I've also had games where earlygame goes amazing (jungle gives laners 4 kills and a dragon by level 6) only to see it thrown away because botlane is crying at each other. Sivir threatens to afk if she doesn't get a different support, so top tps down and sits in a bush while Nasus freefarms... like something out of a bad joke really.

It's possible to carry one 0/7 player if they do their best to let you carry. Winning the game when everyone is crying at each other is considerably harder.

Long Schlong PhD2/10/2015, 12:30:47 AM3 votes

Reddit post just kinda ninja'd this entire thread, lol (unless this was you)

OblongOtter2/10/2015, 12:42:17 AM3 votes

I'd enjoy that Cho game. Sometimes it seems like I'm the only person who plays this game for fun.

Auryiel2/9/2015, 11:23:22 PM3 votes

When I don't have anything nice or constructive to say, I don't say anything.

Curiously, I very rarely see ragers or trolls.

Coincidence?

Meep Man2/10/2015, 2:21:05 AM3 votes

Ive noticed that most Chogath Gragas Hecarim Kennen Mordekaiser Nautilus Rumble Talon Yorick mains are pretty chill. Most other champions I have had multiple instances where they argued or cursed at teammates.

Chaotic1342/10/2015, 2:25:33 AM3 votes

This is my favorite post

Duobyte2/10/2015, 7:32:49 AM3 votes

So being good mannered in a game makes you a hero? Wow this communtiy....

I would rather have that Sona in my team than that feeding cho any day. End of the day Im never going to see any of those people in my life again. Might as well WIN the game.

CarrierKestral2/10/2015, 10:20:03 AM3 votes

I would rather have the sona if only because you said ranked. Ranked should be about winning the game, not how polite you can be in chat. If "trying your best" is intentionally feeding then you shouldn't be playing ranked. Go back to normals, learn your roles, then maybe if you actually want to win the game play ranked.

slippykitten2/10/2015, 5:47:59 PM3 votes

I know im in the minority here but i would much rather a rager that i can mute than a feeder i cant do anything about. I want to play the game and win, not have a tea party. Sure, people shouldnt rage, but if they are helping me win and get out of hand, i can just mute them, win and be on my way. If someone is feeding, or throwing the game by some extreme case of idiocy, there isnt anything i can do.

ThatH1N12/10/2015, 12:31:06 AM3 votes

I have always thought that instead of having the kda in the top right corner they should have the gold in the top right. I think that simple change would make people play differently.

Silents4292/10/2015, 7:16:52 PM2 votes

Community isn't as bad as people exaggerate.

Lazlow2/10/2015, 6:52:07 AM2 votes

Team game? Nothing is wrong with calling out your team mates for misplaying something. In competitive games, it's common to get on others cases to get their head in the game. smh.. I swear there are too many soft teens on this game that probably have never been on a team in their life.

Fredart2/10/2015, 5:15:22 PM2 votes

I'd rather have the good player on my team since if she gets out of hand bitching i can just mute her.