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An argument against the "You should be the difference amongst 10 players"

Monkey D Luffy·8/30/2016, 6:46:05 PM·2 votes·458 views

Okay, for quite a while I've seen an argument that goes like this, varying in every re-telling but keeping the same message, most of you will probably be familiar with it. I will retell the argument to make it easier to break down (Don't worry, I won't be changing the message at all).

So suppose there are 10 players, 5 on the enemy team 5 on your team, for you to rank up you have to be the difference.

Let's say we represent the enemy team's skill with numbers:

The enemy team:

1+1+1+1+1 = 5

And then it (the argument) would proceed to say, now you have your team:

1+1+1+1 (4 Players excluding yourself) And then you have to be the difference, so if the enemy team is 1+1+1+1+1 And your team is 1+1+1+1 but you're +2 then you should win, because you're the difference.

The final part goes on to say that there will be the game which is unwinnable but if you stay consistent you will rank up since you're always making a difference.

This whole argument has some good points but it's false.

  1. It will never be 1+1+1+1+1, It will be something more like 0.5+2+0.3+1+0.2

  2. It implies most of the time everyone will be around the same skill level

  3. It excludes games with afks, trolls, etc... These games happen more than you'd think, you can't rule them out.

If your team is 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+2 But their's is 1+1+1+1+1 Then guess who's in favour to win? them.

Some of you will say, that's why you have to be + 3 or +4

To which I reply: Yes it's true, you'll rank up if you're good enough, but if you belong in your rank, are maybe a few ranks higher, there's a good chance you'll have an extremely hard time ranking up, which is why I get annoyed when people use this argument.

These days you can't be +2 you have to be + 3 or +4, you have to be better than the rank you're trying to achieve to even have a hope of achieving it, if you're trying to achieve the rank you deserve then it won't come easily.

No tl;dr because I'm only interested in discussion.

Have an argument against my argument? Please post it because if I'm wrong here I'd like to delete the thread.

10 Comments

MagicFlyingLlama8/30/2016, 6:53:27 PM3 votes

Inb4 the obligatory elitrash and plat players saying "get good baddie".

Chances are, none of them have ever dealt with the randomized horror that is S6 low-elo matchmaking, unless they are just smurfstomping through it in a couple days. I remember being able to actually climb steadily back in season 4. In S6, after about 120 games, i am within 20 LP of where i started, after around a dozen demotions and promotions between S4 and S2. Virtually every game has a feeder, afk, tilted raging ADC, ect on one or more teams, it effectively takes all skill out of the equation.

PS: Why is it always the ADC that is a pedantic, hypocritical brat that is threatening to feed because they cant get enough kills?

An excerpt of a recent game, as a study of why carrying in low elo is a joke. Sivir 2/4 : WTF mid top so bad help me get kills Ahri 14/4 : group up and you will actually get assists J4 declines comment. Malphite buys abyssal against all-AD team Sivir: WTF SO BAD AFKING CANT CARRY

Sivir refuses to ever group up (370 or so CS, 7 kills), the rest of the team repeatedly charges into jungle fights and get deleted. Easily won game thrown by a combination of awful strategic errors and tilted children.

Dynikus8/30/2016, 6:56:11 PM1 votes

All the argument is saying is that if you're better than your current rank, you should average >50% winrate over a lot of games, and you should climb.

Not that you'll win every game or that your team won't suck sometimes. You can lose games and still climb. For every game where your team is consists of .5s to the enemy's 1s, you should have another game where your team consists of 1s to the enemy's .5s. You being a better player allows the chance for your team to be at an advantage.

Smalltomahawker8/30/2016, 7:14:05 PM1 votes

I don't get your post. If you are at your actual rank then yea... ranking up is hard for the reasons you mentioned. I thought that was common sense?????