An argument against the "You should be the difference amongst 10 players"

Monkey D Luffy··2 votes·458 views

Okay, for quite a while I've seen an argument that goes like this, varying in every re-telling but keeping the same message, most of you will probably be familiar with it. I will retell the argument to make it easier to break down (Don't worry, I won't be changing the message at all).

So suppose there are 10 players, 5 on the enemy team 5 on your team, for you to rank up you have to be the difference.

Let's say we represent the enemy team's skill with numbers:

The enemy team:

1+1+1+1+1 = 5

And then it (the argument) would proceed to say, now you have your team:

1+1+1+1 (4 Players excluding yourself) And then you have to be the difference, so if the enemy team is 1+1+1+1+1 And your team is 1+1+1+1 but you're +2 then you should win, because you're the difference.

The final part goes on to say that there will be the game which is unwinnable but if you stay consistent you will rank up since you're always making a difference.

This whole argument has some good points but it's false.

  1. It will never be 1+1+1+1+1, It will be something more like 0.5+2+0.3+1+0.2

  2. It implies most of the time everyone will be around the same skill level

  3. It excludes games with afks, trolls, etc... These games happen more than you'd think, you can't rule them out.

If your team is 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+2 But their's is 1+1+1+1+1 Then guess who's in favour to win? them.

Some of you will say, that's why you have to be + 3 or +4

To which I reply: Yes it's true, you'll rank up if you're good enough, but if you belong in your rank, are maybe a few ranks higher, there's a good chance you'll have an extremely hard time ranking up, which is why I get annoyed when people use this argument.

These days you can't be +2 you have to be + 3 or +4, you have to be better than the rank you're trying to achieve to even have a hope of achieving it, if you're trying to achieve the rank you deserve then it won't come easily.

No tl;dr because I'm only interested in discussion.

Have an argument against my argument? Please post it because if I'm wrong here I'd like to delete the thread.

10 Comments

MagicFlyingLlama3 votes

Inb4 the obligatory elitrash and plat players saying "get good baddie".

Chances are, none of them have ever dealt with the randomized horror that is S6 low-elo matchmaking, unless they are just smurfstomping through it in a couple days. I remember being able to actually climb steadily back in season 4. In S6, after about 120 games, i am within 20 LP of where i started, after around a dozen demotions and promotions between S4 and S2. Virtually every game has a feeder, afk, tilted raging ADC, ect on one or more teams, it effectively takes all skill out of the equation.

PS: Why is it always the ADC that is a pedantic, hypocritical brat that is threatening to feed because they cant get enough kills?

An excerpt of a recent game, as a study of why carrying in low elo is a joke. Sivir 2/4 : WTF mid top so bad help me get kills Ahri 14/4 : group up and you will actually get assists J4 declines comment. Malphite buys abyssal against all-AD team Sivir: WTF SO BAD AFKING CANT CARRY

Sivir refuses to ever group up (370 or so CS, 7 kills), the rest of the team repeatedly charges into jungle fights and get deleted. Easily won game thrown by a combination of awful strategic errors and tilted children.

Dynikus1 votes

have you considered that s4-s2 is where your skill level currently is?

NoRunesMasteries1 votes

Every game is easily won, it just takes a team of elo minded players to cooperate and work as a team instead of individuals who only will see them for one game of the year.

Smalltomahawker1 votes

Chances are, none of them have ever dealt with the randomized horror that is S6 low-elo matchmaking,

lmfao..... everyone has soft reset at start of the season. Generally higher ranking players do have smurfs and know exactly wtf you talking about. Even if they don't I do and I know its bullshit argument.

unless they are just smurfstomping through it in a couple days.

I remember being able to actually climb steadily back in season 4. In S6, after about 120 games, i am within 20 LP of where i started, after around a dozen demotions and promotions between S4 and S2. Virtually every game has a feeder, afk, tilted raging ADC, ect on one or more teams, it effectively takes all skill out of the equation.

I see players who were gold or plat last season struggling to rank up this season. Guess what... the game is constantly changing and either those players stopped learning or quit playing awhile and fell behind or were boosted to begin with or just playing worse than they used to. Doesn't matter how you ranked up in low elo in the past its still the same shit players as before. If you just played MasterYi devour build then yea.. I guess the game changed a little for you. But not really since you can still farm and gank and get a similar item. Idk i have friends who were gold the last couple of season not in gold this season. But they also stopped playing for a long time and no longer pay attention to changes like they used to. You have to grind a rank every season and if you struggle from one season to another its because your skill changed.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

There is no "soft reset". People tend to be placed within a couple ranks of their previous position. Do you even have a year of experience playing this game? Doubtful.

It is really easy to throw out the "get good baddie" card, i know. Except you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Have you missed the massive amount of feedback from players of all ranks about how awful and random matchmaking is this season? You probably have nothing to compare it to, since i doubt you have played any previous seasons, judging from your stats.

And no, i am not a player that picks the newest "Cheap" strategy with a 2% better winrate. I have been playing basically the same things four years, and getting steadily better. DQ plus the faster leveling to 30 has destabilized ranked and greatly decreased the ability of a solo player to influence a game. I have about a 70% winrate when i am playing with friends and able to get a mature, adult team with everyone in a role they are good at, incidentally.

Smalltomahawker1 votes

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There is no "soft reset". People tend to be placed within a couple ranks of their previous position. Do you even have a year of experience playing this game? Doubtful.

It is really easy to throw out the "get good baddie" card, i know. Except you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Have you missed the massive amount of feedback from players of all ranks about how awful and random matchmaking is this season? You probably have nothing to compare it to, since i doubt you have played any previous seasons, judging from your stats.

And no, i am not a player that picks the newest "Cheap" strategy with a 2% better winrate. I have been playing basically the same things four years, and getting steadily better. DQ plus the faster leveling to 30 has destabilized ranked and greatly decreased the ability of a solo player to influence a game. I have about a 70% winrate when i am playing with friends and able to get a mature, adult team with everyone in a role they are good at, incidentally.

lol... this is my 3rd alternate (smurf account).... I have been playing since season 1 and ranked since season 2 I know exactly what your talking about. And I don't understand what people are bitching about at low elo since I literally have 3 accounts oddly enough all currently in gold 4 at 0 lp. I personally don't understand how its a struggle to rank up in bronze or silver as it seems very easy to me. But I have also adjusted to the changing metas and champions I play and what builds I use.

I am not saying DQ hasn't hurt ranked integrity, nor has it made the solo queue player experience better. But I am saying Its not as bad as these qq threads try and make it sound. I play with people all the time who were plat last season or gold w/e last season and watch them get stomped and wonder how the hell they were that rank to begin with last season. I just shrug it off since it has been that way all season.

Also how is there no soft reset each season lmfao? Starting to wonder if you have played more than one ranked season.

Dynikus1 votes

All the argument is saying is that if you're better than your current rank, you should average >50% winrate over a lot of games, and you should climb.

Not that you'll win every game or that your team won't suck sometimes. You can lose games and still climb. For every game where your team is consists of .5s to the enemy's 1s, you should have another game where your team consists of 1s to the enemy's .5s. You being a better player allows the chance for your team to be at an advantage.

Smalltomahawker1 votes

I don't get your post. If you are at your actual rank then yea... ranking up is hard for the reasons you mentioned. I thought that was common sense?????

NoRunesMasteries1 votes

The argument is that no one are the same hence everyone being 1. He states not true that you will be and have players who's skill cap is not of 1 but .5 or etcs but if you want to climb you have to fill in the differences hence you're 3+.

Also that players are decaying in LP or gaining LP hence they are 1 or below the 1.

If players are actually in the ELO/rank for a reason they should all be 1 in terms of that ELO skill cap but that's not the reality.

Smalltomahawker1 votes

well first the game doesn't care how much lp you have or what division you in. I assume you know that but just saying its based of your mmr and the divison + lp is just a numbers thing to help motivate players to climb and give them an idea where they are on the ladder. MMR is all that actually matters.

I don't get the argument still. Yea your right... mmr is not going to be perfect for various reasons but number one being IT WOULD TAKE LITERALLY A DAY TO FIND A GAME TO GET EVERYONE TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME MMR OR 1+1+1+1+1.

It gets worse the higher elo you get since there are less players. I can already see more random ass match ups in Gold compared to silver. But its still not a huge deal. Games are still fairly even most of the time.

But really to rank up you need to beat higher ranking players. If you can't consistently then yea you going to stick around the same rank.

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