How is LoL educational?

GlobalStars·11/19/2014, 3:19:25 AM·11 votes·16,050 views

I am trying to make a LoL club at my high school and I like to know how it can be tied up education such as math and such.

Also, how can I argue the fact that it is an e-sport, since many of my classmates are disagreeing the fact that is a sport compare to football.

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RiotIronStylus11/19/2014, 8:22:23 AM33 votes

Diana + Leona = Astronomy

Omnipherious11/19/2014, 12:17:56 PM26 votes

I'll help you with your E-sports problem since I've written a report about this subject for university. I am not allowed to use the same example so I will give you similar ones instead. Use basketball and chess for your LoL comparisons.

Give a high-level explanation of LoL (LoL for Dummies)

e.g. Competitive LoL features two 5-player teams going head-to-head. The goal is to destroy the opposing team's key structure/HQ. Players pick from a list of over 100 characters from the LoL fantasy, each with unique strengths and weaknesses.

Be prepared to face the ignorant, arm yourself with knowledge

"LoL can't be a real sport because you're just sitting down and playing a game." Chess is internationally recognized as a sport. It also happens to be a) a game you play while sitting down b) one that requires good strategy and decision-making

Additionally, chess and LoL have similar win-conditions. In chess, your goal is taking the opposing King piece while protecting your own. In LoL, your goal is destroying your opponent's HQ while defending your own.

"Chess is an exception." or "That's just one." or "Name me X more." Poker? Billiards? Curling? Golf? Sailing? Bobsleigh? Bowling? Orienteering? Bodybuilding? Fishing? Air sports?

"Psh.. X of those don't count. There is no sport where you just sit down, think and move your hands based on reflexes." F1 racing. *If someone continues to ask beyond this point, they are just stubborn. Don't waste anymore spit or brainpower to entertain them. Politely tell them to go fly a kite.

Start your real arguments


Part 1 - Field of competition Chess is played on the same board at home and internationally just as basketball, football, hockey, are all played on standardised courts both casually and professionally. The notion that an unchanging field of competition can somehow diminish competitive value is quite frankly, absolute bullshit.

The field of competition does not change, the actions taken by the players in each instance of competition makes and keeps the game interesting.

Part 2 - A game of inches A game of LoL is won by a) establishing control to gain/regain an advantage and/or b) capitalizing on the opponent's mistakes. Both the laning phase and team-based movements are very similar to chess.

Positioning is just as important in chess as it is in LoL. Move too far forward, you leave yourself vulnerable. Stay too far back, you rely on your opponent misplaying and might not be able to respond to plays effectively. Watching the board and piece locations gives you an idea of the enemy strategy; LoL in-game vision control and map awareness mirror this.

You might feign weakness to bait your opponent, you might misread your opponent's strategy and be punished for it. Sometimes your opponent does something that leaves them vulnerable but you are unable to capitalize appropriately.

One might sacrifice a Rook to take a Queen just as teams trade Dragon for tower or Baron for inhibitor. In both games, a misplay in the later stages can easily turn the tides and render all previous advantages moot.

Part 3 - Only as strong as the weakest link Strats and skill might net you some kills but also you need teamwork to make the dream work.

The best basketballer might 'carry' a game or two against lesser opponents but all the skill in the world won't help him against a well-organised and practised opposing team. Similarly, a team of above-average joes might get far on teamwork but inevitably lose to a team of equally organised prodigies. Faker and Cloud9 are the respective LoL examples you can use here.

In basketball and LoL, you live and die by your team. Dribble one extra second or take an extra step? Someone passed to the wrong guy? You didn't Ignite at the right time? Somebody went too early or late? Well there goes that play.

Fumbled the ball? Made a poor pass? Ulted the wrong guy? Got caught out-of-position? Might frustrate your teammates and make the game harder than it needs to be. Maybe you're an allstar and some no-name teammate starts giving advice. Oh no, you didn't like the way he phrased it. Oh geez, you think he thinks he's better than you. Oh darn, the team is spending more time arguing than playing.

There might a great strategy that other teams use that you just can't. All because the players on the team can't do it or aren't suited to it. Maybe the reason the team just can't win or work together is because they don't compliment each others' strengths or cover each others' weaknesses. Maybe they just don't get along.

Don't wait to see yourself become a villian

There are plenty of characteristics that allow LoL to be considered a game worthy of being a recognised sport. The problem is some people can't be persuaded no matter what logic or precedent is presented to them. Things are changing slowly but surely. Videogames (mobile, PC and console) are more widespread today than they have ever been. The market is saturated. Some games get made into movies and vice versa.

It is not your job to convince any of your friends that LoL is a sport. Present your arguments and end graciously once you have. If they don't accept it after all that, don't bother.

There is no sense trying to teach a man about science if all he really wants is to see some explosions. Anybody that is important for shaping the future of E-sports will listen, change and play their part. Everybody else will just have to catch up.

ShadowGlaive21311/19/2014, 9:08:47 AM14 votes

LoL utilizes the same amount of practice, planning, on-the-spot decision making, teamwork and communication required of a sport like football. These skills are applicable to any sort of group work whether it be another sport, a group project, business decision, etc. which you will more than likely be involved with several times throughout the rest of your life so becoming proficient in these skills is a good investment for you future. In LoL competitions you even research your competitors for a potential edge.

If you want to tie it more specifically to things like math try running calculations for potential damage output or damage reduction when theory crafting a build or some such like. LoL is constantly changing, with nerfs and buffs you can try and predict what trends will result from each change by keeping tabs on pick/win rates and the like (lots of sites for these stats). You can even try predicting these changes by keeping up to date with the op trends and figure out what makes them op and make your own nerf/buff predictions, and try to make them adequate (not over/underkill). Many community members propose nerfs/buffs/reworks and discuss them at length, which a club could do just as well. For a more artistic point of view you can see how the splash arts have evolved over the last 4 years and compare the various styles, see what each does well and what makes each interesting and special and even think of improvements. Several community members have tweaked some of the updated splash arts and I really do like a lot of them, so that's another exercise you can learn from.

That's all I could come up with off the top of my head, hope it helps!

SexyTaylorSwift11/19/2014, 3:20:44 AM12 votes

Because if the enemy has 3 champs in one spot and you are the lone person, 3>1 so you should run. Math.

Commit Sudoku11/19/2014, 3:31:13 AM8 votes

critical thinking and decision making

Rustling Bush11/19/2014, 3:23:23 AM6 votes

LoL can be compared to chess in a way i guess in the sense is that you have to make smart decision in order to get the advantage and win. like if "i do this, then you'll do this to stop me and then i'll do this" and i win if that makes sense to you, im bad with stuff like this lol.

SonicÐeHedgedawg11/19/2014, 5:51:39 PM4 votes

Unlike a lot of other games, especially at the high school level, League of Legends promoted the real-world value of team work and interdependence.

Look at most group projects in high school: the reason you need a group is solely because the workload is higher, but it doesn't actually require different areas of expertise like teamwork can in the real world. In the real world, let's use medicine as an example: In medicine, a patient is treated by a team of individuals:

  • A patient's general medicine physician has a broad knowledge of diagnosis for a wide variety of problems, and he will bring that knowledge to try to determine what is wrong with the patient when he comes to the hospital.
  • The physician will then rely on his nurses who have a more limited knowledge of medicine, but have much greater experience in patient interaction and are able to spend more time with the patient to detect changes in the patient's status more quickly.
  • After a diagnosis is made, the physician may rely on a specialist or a surgeon to treat the problem. This doctor has a much less broad knowledge than the general medicine physician, but their knowledge on the subject at hand is unparalleled.
  • During and after treatment, Pharmacists will be called upon for their unparalleled knowledge of medications to help to monitor, adjust and dose patient's medications,
  • etc, etc, etc.

Other team sports may have structures like this, where different positions have different strengths and specialties. Team work in school is generally not like this. Ideally you would have a group project involving someone artistic to make your visual aids, charismatic to give your presentation, intelligent to do your research, and articulate to write up your project, but rarely is this the way actual group work turns out.

League, however, DOES require this kind of real-world team work:

  • Tristana A strong marksman is able to take down enemy structures, as well as whittle down even the heartiest enemies.
  • Janna A strong support is needed to get that marksman sufficiently farmed/fed as well as to protect their team during engagements and/or to force the enemy team into bad situations.
  • Sejuani A strong tank provides a disruptive front line drawing focus fire for the team's more fragile members, and initiating openings for a team to begin a favorable skirmish
  • Veigar A strong mage can dictate the flow of mid game with their enormous power and can either apply heavy damage or disruption to the entire enemy team with area spells, or use strong single target spells to erase threats on the other team quickly.
  • Zed A strong assassin uses their high damage quickly create uneven team-fights by taking out the enemy team's highest priority targets before they have a chance to be threatening.
  • Darius A strong fighter creates a constant threat over time if allowed to go unchecked and can handle a lot of punishment that would otherwise be directed at their more fragile teammates
  • Fiora A strong duelist can put heavy pressure on the enemy team through punishing enemies who travel alone or via split pushing by using their incredible 1 on 1 fighting strengths to force uneven fights in order to be dealt with.

All of these classes have unique strengths, but all of them also have unique weaknesses, and, while there is so overlap between classes, they cannot do everything themselves. League of Legends teaches you that, in order to accomplish anything in life or in LoL, it is necessary to make the most of the gifts which you are given, and to use the strengths in the areas in which you excel to help others who do not, while being able to count on others to help in areas where you do not. Real group work, and real team work rely on this principle (as does civilization in general, actually) and League of Legends is the epitome of that idea. Just watch the difference between low-level league of legends play vs high-level. In low level play, you have a good number of "rock stars" who believe it is by their skill alone that a game will be won, and that every other teammate is unnecessary and only weighing them down. In high level play, even the most dominant AP and AD carries rely on their front line for protection, their supports for vision control and utility and their jungles for early game assistance as well as late game initiation, for example.

I'm starting to belabor the concept at this point through demonstrative language, so, rather than digress further, I'll distill my comment into the single most pure and essential truth which I'm attempting to convey:

League of legends teaches teamwork in a way that school cannot (since group projects are EXCEPTIONALLY rarely interdisciplinary). Many sports are able to teach this, but for students for whom those sports aren't reasonable or desirable options, League of Legends provides an equally strong foundation in interdependence and teamwork.

Fredart11/19/2014, 12:56:20 PM3 votes

Just like other sports, drugs make you better at lol.

WiseFrozenNinja11/19/2014, 5:45:31 PM2 votes

I am trying to make a LoL club at my high school and I like to know how it can be tied up education such as math and such.

Also, how can I argue the fact that it is an e-sport, since many of my classmates are disagreeing the fact that is a sport compare to football.

Bring up the fact that colleges are actually giving 50k + scholarships for LoL at their schools, and that LoL has a collegiate scene. That should shut them up.

SexyTaylorSwift11/19/2014, 3:26:48 AM2 votes

League teaches you not to fuck up. If you do fuck up, you're going to get much bitches thrown your way.

themaddscientist11/19/2014, 2:13:05 PM2 votes

If you ever have people ask why it can compare to other sports, just ask them what it means to be a sport: a game about skill, often involving some sort of teamwork, coaches, and players that devote their lives to being good at the game. Along with that, you also have plenty of other people who play it casually or for fun, while you also have others in high school and college who might not be as good as a true professional, but still play fairly competitively.

I know it's hard to break past the barrier that it doesn't involve physical activity, but that can easily be answered with the following question: why are chess and poker treated as competitive sports, to some extent? Debatably, LoL is even more strenuous than those because your decision making isn't bound to a set time frame or moves, but has to be adaptive on-the-fly, ranging from the patient lane game to the frantic nature of a team fight.

Even if they won't buy that, you might be able to show them the world's finals and point out all the similarities, and you might be able to get it through your teachers by saying how the game is built around team play. You cannot win 1v5 in this game, as much as we may want to try in solo queue, so that means you have to communicate effectively, keep a cool head, make good decisions on a moment-to-moment basis, and so much more. There is a lot more to this game that a lot of us don't give credit to the game for, or simply take it for granted.

Namine Noir11/19/2014, 10:18:02 AM2 votes

It can help with reaction time to things, reflexes, and being a team game, it can teach you to work well with other people (which is actually very important in the real world). And of course like many other video games, hand eye coordination. XD It probably can also help with critical thinking which is also important for the real world. And by real world, I mean after high school, not outside video games. XD

theragingnerd11/19/2014, 11:51:54 PM1 votes

how about using it with critical thinking lik how you have to think who the best counter is

oh you wanna die11/20/2014, 12:14:32 AM1 votes

if lol has taught me anything, its how to grow thicker skin.

this is a good thing in todays world when you need a job, league community is full of assholes, sorta like the real world so it prepares you for it.

Shro0mie11/20/2014, 2:27:24 AM1 votes

If you tried this at my HS 7 years ago when I went, ppl would laugh. But now that professional video game players are actually a thing due to streaming through media like youtube and tournements where people CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A LIVING OFF I, it is very viable, and I could see some high schoolers in a club go allstar from that. You get my approval

Nurse Violet11/20/2014, 5:48:37 AM1 votes

I love this question and I am glad a Rioter posted on this so I was able to see it!

As far as the educational value of the game, why not just break it down into the 4 basic educational subjects: mathematics, science, social studies, and language.

Math: I do a lot of math related to LoL every day. I do the following calculations in my head multiple times every single game: (current time)+(ability cooldown)=(time cooldown is ready) (current time)+(objective respawn timer)=(time objective is available) (current champion health)-(damage of full combo)=(health remaining after full combo) (total cost of items i want)-(current gold)=(amount of gold i need before next buy) Not to mention all of the calculations I do outside of the game to help with decision-making: I frequently do calculations outside the game to figure out things like what runes and masteries I should use, what items are the most effective for certain situations, how well champions scale with certain stats, etc. This often involves more complicated math than basic addition and subtraction. I frequently use algebra for LoL-related calculations, and I even had to relearn some geometry and trig to do a few things.

Science: People do science for LoL all the time! If you really get down to it, science is the usage of logic and experimentation to discern how things work, which is something I do a lot in LoL. Very recently I spent several hours in custom games testing out how Flash affects certain actions like basic attacks, abilities, other summoners, and activatable items. Beyond myself, I know that there is a small but dedicated community who spends a majority of their time testing new features on the PBE and looking through the PBE files for changes. They tend to be quite rigorous and they are the main reason why we have Reddit posts dedicated to collecting bugs and websites like Surrender@20 which report on new features. You could even argue that simply learning to play the game better is doing science! You come up with ideas about what will be most effective to succeed in-game, test your ideas by playing the game, and then come to conclusions which you can apply to future games based on the results.

Social Studies: LoL is an extremely social game. Through playing this game I have learned a lot about how to successfully communicate with new people to meet a common goal in a limited amount of time using only text, pings, and my character. Not only that, but through clans and websites dedicated to LoL, players are learning how to build functional communities surrounding the game.

Language: If an uninitiated outsider studied the chat-logs from a sample of LoL games, what they would notice, other than an extreme amount of hostility and frustration, is that LoL players have their own language which allows them to quickly communicate via text while playing. Almost everything is abbreviated, to the extent that most words and phrases are shortened as much as possible, initialisms are used just as often as words and sentence structure is generally cut down to be as simple as possible. There is a consistent vocabulary and grammar which LoL players intuitively understand even though phrases like "shy tp up?", "omw bot", "tr 30s", "im b", and "care oom" might seem to be completely nonsensical to an outsider. Part of learning to play LoL is learning the language.

As far as convincing your classmates about the validity of League of Legends and eSports compared to traditional sports, I would use Aristotle's Appeals: Logos (logic), Ethos (credibility), and Pathos (emotion). Your logos is to explain that LoL is very similar to football: it is competitive, it involves communication and strategy, and competing requires a level of physical mastery. Your ethos is to tell them about the infrastructure of the eSports scene: the competitive season, professional broadcasts, star players, and sponsors. Your pathos is to show them a clip from an exciting game to highlight the intensity of the games.

I hope that you appreciate my two cents! Best of luck with starting the club.

January 16th11/19/2014, 3:47:40 AM1 votes

Playing video games is not an "ACTUAL SPORT" Just like NASCAR "NOT AN ACTUAL SPORT" Then again i think you prob move more playing league than driving a nascar car, Thing is people believe that anything that u make money off and then turn into a huge gamble market, It's a sport, Dont belive me Google Juggling Championshipss,

Thryale11/19/2014, 1:49:30 PM1 votes

Critical thinking Communication Leadership Strategy

These are all elements present in most team based sports. As such, with the proper wording, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting support. :)

MungoGeri11/19/2014, 2:00:03 PM1 votes

Have your club use math to analyze the optimal item build orders for various characters. It's amazing to see how people often build items in the wrong order. (For example, did you know that for Ziggs and Zyra that item 3135 is more powerful than item 3089 no matter how much MR the enemy has or hasn't built?)

Narog11/19/2014, 3:05:53 PM1 votes

Emotional grow,you learn that negative emotions cut your mental clarity . Master yourself master your enemy - Albert Einstein

Amsun Thales11/19/2014, 5:00:30 PM1 votes

Shooting skillshots is basic physics: road to travel-time and whatnot :V

TehNACHO11/19/2014, 5:38:24 PM1 votes

Hello there, have you ever calculated builds?

League of Legends, in fact any game with significant numbers, all have a GIGANTIC amount of math backing them up at all times. To give an example, let's compare the amount of power the Rabadon's Deathcap item 3089 and Void Staff item 3135, and see which one makes Katarina's Ultimate ability stronger.

At max rank, Katarina's ult deals 750 (+ 250% AP) damage (we can ignore the AD portion for now). Rewritten, let's say: 750+2.5*AP

Now, let's calculate for our items:

item 3089: 750+2.51.3120=1140

item 3135: 750+2.5*70=925

Obviously, based purely on AP, the Rabadon's Deathcap is stronger. However, what if we calculate Magic Resist? Magic Resist, as a multiplier to damage, looks like this: (100/(100+x)), where x is Magic Resist. If we recalculate the items with this in mind:

item 3089 1140*(100/(100+x))

item 3135 925*(100/(100+0.65*x))

Treating x as a variable, we find that the Rabadon's Deathcap is much stronger against targets with less than 116.8 Magic Resist, and the Void Staff is stronger against enemies with much more MR.

This is a super, super simplified version of what you can do, but if you ever take the time to calculate builds, you can ultimately sell off a really good argument that League of Legends can exercise really important mathematical skills in that you need to apply algebra to a non-academic subject, something that is very necessary in real life scenarios (applying abstract math skills to real world scenarios).

Narasimha11/19/2014, 6:37:28 PM1 votes

Because Heimerdinger Science.

TheRealZedShady11/19/2014, 7:30:04 PM1 votes

Story time kids.

I started playing LoL in late 2010. I remember watching a few of friends play it but I wasn't that interested. I remember calling it "Legends of Leaguecraft" and did my best to humorously deride the game despite having never played it. One cold winter day, as Eire PA winters are quite nasty, I gave in. I remember the first champion I ever played was Tryndamere. Then it was Taric for awhile. And finally, I was able to play Akali on her free week. It was love at first sight and my addiction permeated. I mained her religious until Zed was released about two years ago.

Currently, i'm a sous chef at an upscale restaurant and bar. I never attended culinary school, in fact I was an Asian Studies major. I worked from the ground up into my position. I started as a food runner and quickly moved to line-cook. 8 months later, I ran a kitchen of 8 line cooks, a 3 man prep team, 3 food runners on any given weekend and a waitstaff of 7-15. LoL and SC2 were hugely influential in my success.

People constantly say "Teamwork makes the dream work" where is work. Sometimes they mean it, even fewer do they do something about it. LoL teaches more about managing people than any of the management courses I've been forced to take. Getting 4 stressed out individuals to cooperate to achieve a common goal is not easy. 20 plus is even harder. They each have their own personal goals and responsibilities, different measures for personal success and failure, and their own unique problems that will come up during the course of the night. Being able to recognize these probems and mitigate them in a timely fashion is a HUGE plus for my employers. Stopping your teammates/ employees from infighting and needless blaming and focusing them on success is crucial. A lot of the skill that make someone a good League player, make them a great asset to any company. LoL, and many strategy games, force players to critically examine problems under a timeline and find a solution with their given resources.

So, how is LoL educational?

  • Strategic decision making
  • Group problem solving
  • Game theory
  • Builds leadership and cooperation skills
  • LoL is stepped in historical and mythological references

There more, I cant think of everything you know? Fret not. LoL teaches many real world skill and will help you in one way or another.

KilljoyX11/19/2014, 10:02:42 PM1 votes

Skillshots = Trig

Angry Monster11/19/2014, 10:33:15 PM1 votes

First off why does it need to be educational? I am pretty sure that football, baseball, ect have no academic merit.

To argue about the sport feature use the definitions of competitions and sport, Do not bother with the physical athletic side of any argument and meaningless in the debate.

Compare computers with the premise of balls, bats, safety equipment ect. Their are just tools like in other sports.

Mention team work and statergy. The in game decision making ect.

Lastly bring up the fact that the Congress of the USA as already recognized league as a sport. and bring proof.

https://www.google.com/search?q=unsited+states+reconies+league+of+legends+as+a+sport&oq=unsited+states+reconies+league+of+legends+as+a+sport&aqs=chrome..69i57.9592j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=united+states+recognizes+league+of+legends+as+a+sport&spell=1

Direwolfiez11/19/2014, 11:05:12 PM1 votes

Vel'Koz = angles and math. I had a friend who was pretty high-up in math that absolutely wrecked with Vel'Koz because they had an above-average knowledge of geometry.