Reporting, tribunal, and negative attitudes

Benjimonster·Oct 21, 2015·5 votes·2,213 views

I recently got a chat restriction for talking to people after they insulted me. Do riot employees ever review this stuff or is it entirely decided by another player?

I am getting warnings for being reported by people who literally do nothing but talk trash and play horribly all game. They play like shit, they insult everybody around them and blame everybody and then THEY REPORT YOU!

I'm being punished for this shit and it's pissing me off. I am generally nice, if somebody is mean to me I am often mean back, that's how the people usually behave in the real world. I don't understand how this community is so piss poor and backwards that it will punish those who are ALWAYS NICE until they are insulted. There is a serious problem here with this system. /rant

45 Comments

Deep Terror NamiOct 21, 20156 votes

I am often mean

That is the only relevant part of this thread. That is why you got a chat restriction. There is never an acceptable reason to be toxic to another player. "He started it!" is a child's excuse.

If someone is being toxic, just mute them and report them. The system obviously works, because you got caught by being toxic. Use it to your advantage instead of stooping to their level and being punished too.

BrockinrollOct 21, 20151 votes

What this guy said, Just mute them. Even if you dont like muting them, if it gets to the point where you have to mute them do so, and just report after game

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20151 votes

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Deep Terror NamiOct 21, 20153 votes

Didn't bother reading your rant. There is no justification for taking your anger out on other players. It's not ok to make more victims; it is Riot's job to take care if it, not yours. You have no idea what the other person is going through, and you're also causing more problems for the rest of the players in the game.

Grow up and use the mute button and report function.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20153 votes

How am I taking out my anger on other players if I'm talking TO THE PERSON WHO INSULTED ME AND MADE ME MAD? Do you carry this logic in to real life?! A person tells me that I'm trash and that you need to uninstall a video game from my computer, then I need to take their feelings into consideration!??!? Then just hope and pray that riot somehow deals with this asshole? You have some interesting views man....

Everybody wants to keep ignoring problems and hoping other people deal with them, all while preaching how righteous they are. A generation of passive morons and shit talking assholes is taking over online gaming.

Deep Terror NamiOct 21, 20153 votes

Why are you still talking? You came back over 30 minutes later to continue your rant that is not worth my time.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20152 votes

Why'd you bother posting on this thread at all? You talk about taking other peoples feelings into consideration and then you do nothing but antagonize me, try being less of a hypocrite and then you might actually have some logical thoughts that make sense.

Deep Terror NamiOct 21, 20154 votes

Wait a second. You are saying your feelings are hurt now, but your entire thread is about how you think it's ok for you to be toxic to others? The only hypocrite here is you. Stop bugging me troll, and stop being toxic in your games. There is no excuse for it.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20152 votes

No, I'm saying you're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Do the math, it's all in front of your face on this page.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20152 votes

Why don't you just stop replying to me right now? same as muting, yet you continue to drone on. Practice what you preach bro.

People like you expect the privilege to talk down to others but when they get mad at you for it you get all righteous and act like you're morally superior.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20152 votes

Also, being mean is not equivalent to being toxic, particularly if somebody was mean to you first. I'm sorry you're so wrong but unfortunately most people have your same flawed logic.

So if somebody hits you and you don't fight back because and you get beat to death it was the other guys fault, just wait for the cops to deal with it, they'll prolly get a chat ban.

SkullDuggery19Oct 21, 20152 votes

This type of logic leaves me mortified when thinking of it applied to the real world.

Take a statement, ignore all of the context around it, and make your judgement according to that.

Do you seriously not see how dumb this is? Then you have the nerve to call something childish!

Answer me this, is there never an acceptable reason to shoot somebody? This is by far a more negative behavior than insults and curse words, yet somehow in our modern society we still see some circumstances where it is an acceptable defense of your body or possessions.

Your thinking is childish. It has one-note. It is a kid playing a recorder as opposed to Charlie Parker.

Deep Terror NamiOct 21, 20153 votes

You're missing the point.

These are Riot's rules. They do not care what the context was that resulted in a player's toxicity. It is never acceptable by the community standards.

I really don't care if you think it's childish or not, I'm saying this because it's how reporting and punishment in this game works.

SkullDuggery19Oct 21, 20152 votes

Your point lacks any thought whatsoever. If anyone disagrees you say they are "missing the point," yet you don't bother understanding theirs. A conversation goes both ways. Straight up ignoring anything you don't (or Riot doesn't for that matter) agree with is not the way to carry on a discussion. You are carrying on a discussion by posting here, yet you constantly berate others for not agreeing with you.

All of this tells me that you are a child. Riot is not perfect, and their rules and systems have changed a lot over the years. It has only "worked" like this for a few months, and you act like it's intrinsically part of the game. It is new. It may not be this way for much longer. The only constant is change. To dismiss all discussion is not only stupid, it is harmful to the game.

As far as ownership goes, that is somewhat in question. Spending money on this game gives you some sort of "ownership," what level of ownership is the discussion.

Dismiss away, it only shows your lack of cognitive ability.

SmokedAlmondsOct 21, 20154 votes

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Your point lacks any thought whatsoever. If anyone disagrees you say they are "missing the point," yet you don't bother understanding theirs. A conversation goes both ways. Straight up ignoring anything you don't (or Riot doesn't for that matter) agree with is not the way to carry on a discussion. You are carrying on a discussion by posting here, yet you constantly berate others for not agreeing with you.

All of this tells me that you are a child. Riot is not perfect, and their rules and systems have changed a lot over the years. It has only "worked" like this for a few months, and you act like it's intrinsically part of the game. It is new. It may not be this way for much longer. The only constant is change. To dismiss all discussion is not only stupid, it is harmful to the game.

As far as ownership goes, that is somewhat in question. Spending money on this game gives you some sort of "ownership," what level of ownership is the discussion.

Dismiss away, it only shows your lack of cognitive ability.

The rules haven't changed much at all over the years. Only the punishments for breaking them and the effectiveness at enforcing them. These haven't been the rules for months, they have been the rules for years.

Ownership is not at all in question. You do not, no matter how much you spend on league, own any part of it. You actually do not even own your account. Now, riot has a vested interest in keeping us as customers so to that end it is in their best interest to listen but they are under no obligation to do so.

As for the actual topic, self defense is a legal defense not some law of the universe. It is something we allow and even that isn't even always agreed upon. Defending someones life and creating a negative experience in a video game are not really comparable and with the amount of condescension you sling I would expect you to understand that. Someones threatening to shoot you, you shoot them first to save your own life. Someone is being negative in a video game, you do not fix anything by being negative. Now your team just has to deal with 2 problem people.

SkullDuggery19Oct 21, 20151 votes

Enforcement of the rules has changed, and that has the same effect as changing the rules themselves.

Ownership is legally in question. This is currently being discussed in courts across the country, as digital purchases are somewhat new. Riot will not be the ones who make the ruling that sets the law. Purchasing something is a transfer of rights, and there is currently grey area that we will shortly see being cleaned up. I highly doubt that they would win a case in which they took away thousands of dollars in digital merch for a few cuss words. It is illogical, and stupid as a company. Riot will be the next Blockbuster video. I bet you stood up for them and their late fee policy too, huh? Those were the rules, right?

Your perspective is off. You see this situation as one in which one side has all of the power. That is not the case. You have been conditioned to think like this by spending a majority of your youth within a fantasy game. This game exists within society, and Riot has rules to follow as well. Fact is, I've been playing games for over 20 years and have never been "punished" in any way shape or form outside of this game. That means something. Why are people in this game so sensitive? Has increasing the punishments made it better? Worse? There is a discussion here that you are trying to block with your self-righteousness. I wish you would just do something else with your time and let people that want to talk about it do as they please.

People like you are bad for society. They latch onto simple, broad ideas and take them too far without considering nuance. Your advocation of a "no tolerance" policy shows that you are a mental midget. The fact that you continually post on here, with no intent on discussion, shows you are a brainwashed unintelligent clown with nothing better to do. People like you are dangerous. Your ideals are dangerous, and very stupid. I can only hope that you are never in a position of power, which you won't be with your asinine attitude. You don't think outside of the box, you stand in the box and proudly proclaim how right you are.

If you truly like this game and want it to continue, then constant discussion is how that is achieved. Stagnation will lead to the end of its popularity.

Of course you can't understand metaphor, how silly of me to expect that. I will ask you this, who is creating a negative experience? Is bad language the only way to create a negative experience? To over-sensitive children like you, I'm sure it is. There are worse things in life than insults, one day you will see that.

SmokedAlmondsOct 21, 20151 votes

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Enforcement of the rules has changed, and that has the same effect as changing the rules themselves.

Ownership is legally in question. This is currently being discussed in courts across the country, as digital purchases are somewhat new. Riot will not be the ones who make the ruling that sets the law. Purchasing something is a transfer of rights, and there is currently grey area that we will shortly see being cleaned up. I highly doubt that they would win a case in which they took away thousands of dollars in digital merch for a few cuss words. It is illogical, and stupid as a company. Riot will be the next Blockbuster video. I bet you stood up for them and their late fee policy too, huh? Those were the rules, right?

Your perspective is off. You see this situation as one in which one side has all of the power. That is not the case. You have been conditioned to think like this by spending a majority of your youth within a fantasy game. This game exists within society, and Riot has rules to follow as well. Fact is, I've been playing games for over 20 years and have never been "punished" in any way shape or form outside of this game. That means something. Why are people in this game so sensitive? Has increasing the punishments made it better? Worse? There is a discussion here that you are trying to block with your self-righteousness. I wish you would just do something else with your time and let people that want to talk about it do as they please.

People like you are bad for society. They latch onto simple, broad ideas and take them too far without considering nuance. Your advocation of a "no tolerance" policy shows that you are a mental midget. The fact that you continually post on here, with no intent on discussion, shows you are a brainwashed unintelligent clown with nothing better to do. People like you are dangerous. Your ideals are dangerous, and very stupid. I can only hope that you are never in a position of power, which you won't be with your asinine attitude. You don't think outside of the box, you stand in the box and proudly proclaim how right you are.

If you truly like this game and want it to continue, then constant discussion is how that is achieved. Stagnation will lead to the end of its popularity.

Of course you can't understand metaphor, how silly of me to expect that. I will ask you this, who is creating a negative experience? Is bad language the only way to create a negative experience? To over-sensitive children like you, I'm sure it is. There are worse things in life than insults, one day you will see that.

There is nothing righteous about me or anything I say. Nothing I say is about any kind of moral stance. This is about opt in communities that have rules that appeal to its target audience. Yes, I do find rules to be important. They shape the experience you get. I don't think the rules have to be the way they are. But they are this way because and people choose to be here because of that. They haven't changed, they aren't likely to change in the future. Not because they can't change, but because this is what most people here want. So why would you choose to be here if you don't like them?

I'm not saying the world should adopt leagues policies, or that other games should. But like league, they are free to set their own rules to attract the kind of customers they want. You shouldn't be upset because that doesn't include you. You just need to find a place that does. Just because other games don't do it, doesn't make it wrong, they are personal preferences.

Discussion is great, but you need to understand that you are in a tiny minority holding an opinion that is incompatible with what the majority wants.

SkullDuggery19Oct 22, 20151 votes

Based on what? Upvotes on this board? I see far more negativity attached to Riot's name than i do positive comments.

Your assumption that I am in the minority is self-righteousness. Even if we assume that, completely dismissing what the minority has to say is bad in many ways.

I don't come here for the rules regarding decorum, I come here for the game and competition. You have this weird perception that this game exists in a vacuum. As if Riot shouldn't look to other games (that don't have the rep that LoL has) in order to see how they do things. As if Riot and only Riot's thoughts and opinions should matter. Once they started selling things they ceded complete control over their universe, regardless of what you say about opt in communities.

Everything you say is based on assumption, and the only info you consider valid is from one source. You have no unbiased view on this, just as priests don't have an unbiased view on Christianity. I use religion as a metaphor purposefully, as you seem to be idolizing Riot as opposed to treating them like a business.

SmokedAlmondsOct 22, 20151 votes

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Based on what? Upvotes on this board? I see far more negativity attached to Riot's name than i do positive comments.

Your assumption that I am in the minority is self-righteousness. Even if we assume that, completely dismissing what the minority has to say is bad in many ways.

I don't come here for the rules regarding decorum, I come here for the game and competition. You have this weird perception that this game exists in a vacuum. As if Riot shouldn't look to other games (that don't have the rep that LoL has) in order to see how they do things. As if Riot and only Riot's thoughts and opinions should matter. Once they started selling things they ceded complete control over their universe, regardless of what you say about opt in communities.

Everything you say is based on assumption, and the only info you consider valid is from one source. You have no unbiased view on this, just as priests don't have an unbiased view on Christianity. I use religion as a metaphor purposefully, as you seem to be idolizing Riot as opposed to treating them like a business.

Based on personal experience and the experience of those I know, riot has said it multiple times, and the boards to overwhelmingly support it as well. I guess you could call it an assumption since its not unequivocally proven, but everything points to it.

They did not give up anything. People have to agree to these rules before they can purchase anything. Its no ones fault but their own that they choose to disregard them. We don't get to choose which rules apply to us. Riot allows us to voice our opinions and they can choose to adopt them, but that's it.

You are right league doesn't exist in a vacuum and they should look at what others are doing. That doesn't mean they have to do the same thing, or that they should. Unlike a lot of games, in league you are randomly matched with players and are not only stuck with but have to rely on them. So while the issue of negative players isn't exclusive to league, the solutions as a player are basically non existent. In a FPS you can just

I actually treat them exactly like a business. They serve customers and you have 1 group that chases away more business than they themselves represent. The same way a restaurant would be wise to throw out a disruptive customer. Riot provides(or at least try to) an experience I want so I choose to be here. I bet you could draw a direct connection between my purchase history and the rate I run into negative things(anything, trolls, afks, assholes). Like I said this has nothing to do with right or wrong, only what people want. Anyone who disagrees with their stance on something so huge especially considering it could get them banned is not very smart.

SkullDuggery19Oct 22, 20152 votes

Your personal anecdotes, plus 50 upvotes on the boards is enough for you to say "everything points to it?"

How has this game grown at all, the entire time I've been aware of it I've also been aware of its reputation. If that truly chased people away, this game wouldn't be popular.

In Destiny I am randomly matched with players.

In FFXIV I am randomly matched with players.

In Halo I am randomly matched with players.

In WoW I am randomly matched with players.

Do I need to go on? Acting as if the only solution is to aggressively punish players for "foul language" is extremely immature, so much so it is a running joke in a fucking Avengers movie. All that this is doing is creating a group of entitled whiny little brats who will report this game into the ground. Disagreeing with Riot will not get you banned.

If your whole "rules are rules" mentality were actually true, then nobody would ever sue any business. The truth is that businesses are sued everyday, and if Riot bans enough people with enough money spent for very little cause they will be facing the same. Once again, they do not live in a vacuum.

Your restaurant metaphor doesn't hold up. Those customers leave without paying. I just wonder why you choose to believe that you can change the entire nature of competition through bans. You can't. You will just ruin your own game. Companies like blizzard have realized this, and unfortunately Riot has not. Maybe it is because minions like you will gladly defend anything they say or do, despite how utterly stupid or ridiculous it is to others.

It is just a self-righteous mission to make others feel bad for not being like you. A way for you to feel superior. That is why you post non-answers that detract from discussion, because it makes you feel superior. Good luck in life acting like that. The world isn't a magical land where everybody is nice and PC all of the time. I, for one, am glad that it isn't. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in your boring ass world where there is no yang to the yin.

SmokedAlmondsOct 22, 20151 votes

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Your personal anecdotes, plus 50 upvotes on the boards is enough for you to say "everything points to it?"

As opposed to the nothing you have offered to dispute it...? Its not particularly important anyway, even though I do believe it to be true. Even if it isn't what the majority wants it is still riots decision and it hasn't seemed to have hinder the game at all.

How has this game grown at all, the entire time I've been aware of it I've also been aware of its reputation. If that truly chased people away, this game wouldn't be popular.

You may have been aware, but I don't think most people were for the first couple years. I'm an avid gamer and started near the end of season 1 and I hadn't. Hell, it was probably close to a year before I even thought that about the game I was playing.

In Destiny I am randomly matched with players.

In FFXIV I am randomly matched with players.

In Halo I am randomly matched with players.

In WoW I am randomly matched with players.

Never played destiny or FF but it isn't just that you are randomly matched, its that you are heavily reliant on those people and you cannot leave. Haven't played halo since 2 but I dont think there is any punishment for leaving. WoW everything that randomly matched you was made to be completed by people who don't know how to play the game so you weren't reliant on your team at all. Otherwise you had your choice of guilds/groups.

Do I need to go on? Acting as if the only solution is to aggressively punish players for "foul language" is extremely immature, so much so it is a running joke in a fucking Avengers movie. All that this is doing is creating a group of entitled whiny little brats who will report this game into the ground. Disagreeing with Riot will not get you banned.

It's not the only solution, but it is a solution. Its not even my preferred solution. I would rather them just match those people with each other rather than ban. My only interest is that I don't have to play with them. How that is accomplished isn't particularly important to me.

If your whole "rules are rules" mentality were actually true, then nobody would ever sue any business. The truth is that businesses are sued everyday, and if Riot bans enough people with enough money spent for very little cause they will be facing the same. Once again, they do not live in a vacuum.

That makes no sense. People sue businesses because businesses also have rules to follow and don't always do so. They have been banning people like this for years and it hasn't happened yet and there's no reason to think it will.

Your restaurant metaphor doesn't hold up. Those customers leave without paying. I just wonder why you choose to believe that you can change the entire nature of competition through bans. You can't. You will just ruin your own game. Companies like blizzard have realized this, and unfortunately Riot has not. Maybe it is because minions like you will gladly defend anything they say or do, despite how utterly stupid or ridiculous it is to others.

They may have leave without paying but more importantly they are going to be less likely to come back. Especially if it wasn't the first time they had seen it happen at that restaurant with nothing done about it. It's hard to say that the most played game is going to ruin itself by doing something it has been doing for most of its existence.

It is just a self-righteous mission to make others feel bad for not being like you. A way for you to feel superior. That is why you post non-answers that detract from discussion, because it makes you feel superior. Good luck in life acting like that. The world isn't a magical land where everybody is nice and PC all of the time. I, for one, am glad that it isn't. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in your boring ass world where there is no yang to the yin.

I don't consider this to be any issue of right or wrong so again, there is no way for me to be righteous about this. I don't want anyone to feel bad nor do I feel superior for my view in any way. I only care that I don't have to play with assholes, because they make me not want to play.

I'm not trying to change the world. Be whoever you are, It makes no difference to me. But you chose poorly with league because you are playing a game that expressly doesn't allow your behavior.

Its kinda amusing cause you spend half of your posts attacking me with misjudgments. You obviously have me pegged as some carebare but you couldn't be more wrong. I was a high end progression raider from the start of BC till close the end of pandas and was an officer since ulduar-ish. I was regularly responsible for "talking to" people about the stupid shit they were doing and that was rarely, if ever, kind. But there is a time and a place for that, and that place isn't league.

BenjimonsterOct 22, 20151 votes

lol, kids can't see past their like votes on facebooks anymore, sad times though. :( He doesn't even comprehend your thoughts, likely not reading your posts. He goes on like you are defending toxic players and shitty attitudes, though you and I have both clearly been talking about how we don't approve of that attitude, or the current solution. It's really hard to argue with people who put no effort into understanding the conversation.

The time and place to correct an assholes behavior is anywhere, anytime, because that behavior is the root of all problems in the world friend, learn that sooner than later.

SmokedAlmondsOct 22, 20151 votes

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lol, kids can't see past their like votes on facebooks anymore, sad times though. :( He doesn't even comprehend your thoughts, likely not reading your posts. He goes on like you are defending toxic players and shitty attitudes, though you and I have both clearly been talking about how we don't approve of that attitude, or the current solution. It's really hard to argue with people who put no effort into understanding the conversation.

The time and place to correct an assholes behavior is anywhere, anytime, because that behavior is the root of all problems in the world friend, learn that sooner than later.

Im not saying you can't say anything to someone being an asshole, but if your response to them is being an asshole yourself you are just compounding the problem.

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Wait, you think I'm going to change my behavior because of this system and my chat restriction? You don't understand anything about what I'm saying, and apparently haven't read any of it... and at this point I don't expect you to. You think just because you stated your 'morally high grounded' opinion that i automatically agree with you or something? You have a sincerely bloated ego dude.

My position has nothing to do with morals and I couldn't care less if you change. That is between you and riot. They have a financial interest in reforming you vs perma banning you. What I am saying, is that you know what you are getting punished for isn't allowed so if that is how you want to be act then you have chosen the wrong place to be. You mentioned being chat restricted which means that you are at least 25% of the way to a perma ban.

SkullDuggery19Oct 22, 20151 votes

To me it is far worse to troll around a game and waste time not trying, extending a game that is not fun for anyone. To you, it is worse to say cuss words. Really think about your position. You have been convinced, despite a past in which competition sometimes involved harsh language, that this game is a special snowflake. An ultra-competitive game in which everyone speaks completely PC and never in a negative fashion. Basing decisions on how you wish it was, as opposed to reality, is always a faulty way of thinking. That is why these systems fail. That is why they make the community worse. You have just given the truly negative players another way to abuse the people that play this game with even a minor level of seriousness.

All of your logic is faulty. Players of all levels have been banned. The word toxic has transformed into a broad term for anything negative. I literally have games every day in which a duo will troll and wait for someone to say anything about it. When someone does, they say "you mad bro" and get worse, while the others on the team then blame the person talking. How does this logic make the game better? How does this even make sense? It doesn't, because people like you and Riot's staff are basing their rules on how they wish the world was, and not how it actually is.

It is the most played game DESPITE the community. Also, being the most played game attracts the exact sort of trolls I'm speaking of. They come here and are given ways to defend their trolling.

Continue with your excuses. Pretending as if no other game is comparable, or no other system will work. You say it has been like this for a while, right? Why is there still the same amount of, if not more, toxicity? Wouldn't you come to the simple conclusion that this doesn't work?

SmokedAlmondsOct 22, 20152 votes

The amount of words you put into my mouth and the level you misrepresent my position is staggering.

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To me it is far worse to troll around a game and waste time not trying, extending a game that is not fun for anyone. To you, it is worse to say cuss words. Really think about your position. You have been convinced, despite a past in which competition sometimes involved harsh language, that this game is a special snowflake. An ultra-competitive game in which everyone speaks completely PC and never in a negative fashion. Basing decisions on how you wish it was, as opposed to reality, is always a faulty way of thinking. That is why these systems fail. That is why they make the community worse. You have just given the truly negative players another way to abuse the people that play this game with even a minor level of seriousness.

I don't at all think chat stuff is worse than trolling and none of that chat related things I talk about have anything to do with cussing. Personally I find trolling and chat stuff to be the same, since the have the same impact on my experience. They turn games I wanted to enjoy into games I wish I hadn't played.

This game isn't a special snowflake, every game can set w/e rules they want. That is their prerogative. All rules are based on how we want things to be, otherwise they wouldn't be needed because that's how things would already be.

All of your logic is faulty. Players of all levels have been banned. The word toxic has transformed into a broad term for anything negative. I literally have games every day in which a duo will troll and wait for someone to say anything about it. When someone does, they say "you mad bro" and get worse, while the others on the team then blame the person talking. How does this logic make the game better? How does this even make sense? It doesn't, because people like you and Riot's staff are basing their rules on how they wish the world was, and not how it actually is.

There are trolls that ruin games, that has nothing to do with this. Raging at a troll is more likely to fuel the fire than it is to put it out. You just create a situation where your team now has to deal with a troll and you raging.

People need to take responsibility for themselves and not take the bait. Their responses have the same impact whether they were baited or not and if fish stop biting, fisherman stop fishing.

It is the most played game DESPITE the community. Also, being the most played game attracts the exact sort of trolls I'm speaking of. They come here and are given ways to defend their trolling.

Most of the community is just fine. It is just that since there are 10 people in each game and it only takes 1 to ruin it the problem gets exacerbated. If 5% of people are causing problems, that's basically 50% of all games that have someone causing a problem.

Continue with your excuses. Pretending as if no other game is comparable, or no other system will work. You say it has been like this for a while, right? Why is there still the same amount of, if not more, toxicity? Wouldn't you come to the simple conclusion that this doesn't work?

All made up by you to give you something to argue against. Several games are comparable just not many genres are and there are lots of systems that could work, so can(and does, imo) this one. I actually prefer dotas low priority queue method to riots banning and especially to chat restrictions(I fucking hate chat restrictions)but I don't get to make that decision.

I have seen almost a complete 180 in my experience over the last 2 years. From the point where I had all but quit because toxicity was so frequent to now where I can't even remember the last time I reported someone. It was probably at least 2 weeks and probably months since I have seen anything major. Now I do consider myself to have been part of the toxicity problem for the first couple years I played but I mellowed out a lot during the time leading up the last 2 years where I saw improvement so I don't attribute all of that improvement to Riot, but much of it to myself no longer contributing to it in my games.

SkullDuggery19Oct 22, 20151 votes

If chat stuff is punished more frequently, despite the reason, then the system is more harsh towards it. Currently, this is how it is.

The word toxic initially meant behavior that spreads and infects other players, who wouldn't normally have been negative or abusive. The current system encourages actual toxicity, by rewarding trolls with a method to piss other people off, then have them punished if they lash out. Nevermind that their initial behavior started the snowball, that means nothing according to your logic. People will always get upset from time to time while playing this game. Those that purposefully make people upset are the ones who are truly toxic, and the punishment system should reflect that. Currently, it does not.

SmokedAlmondsOct 22, 20152 votes

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If chat stuff is punished more frequently, despite the reason, then the system is more harsh towards it. Currently, this is how it is.

The word toxic initially meant behavior that spreads and infects other players, who wouldn't normally have been negative or abusive. The current system encourages actual toxicity, by rewarding trolls with a method to piss other people off, then have them punished if they lash out. Nevermind that their initial behavior started the snowball, that means nothing according to your logic. People will always get upset from time to time while playing this game. Those that purposefully make people upset are the ones who are truly toxic, and the punishment system should reflect that. Currently, it does not.

Chat getting punished more frequently speaks nothing to harshness of punishments. It is just easier to detect by a long shot. Speeding isn't punished more harshly than assault because more people get speeding tickets than arrested for assault. It makes dollars spent on chat go a lot further than dollars spent on other issues. But are and always have been against the rules. But how do you detect trolling when most trolling is doing things that are usually acceptable or even wanted but just at the wrong time. That guy decides hes never going to leave the jungle cause someone took his lane so he wants to make the team lose is a troll, But in different circumstances that could be perfectly normal.

People will get upset from time to time, everyone knows this including riot and the system exists with that in mind. That is why unless you are WAY over the the line it takes many games to get a single punishment, especially up to your first punishment. If you get punished that means that the "time to time" for you is too often or you go too far. But Punishments are almost never the result of a single game.

Trolls are not rewarded or encouraged in anyway, this is completely in your mind. Yes trolls do often get away with a lot but there is nothing about the system that encourages them. If your worried about encouraging trolls then you should worry about people responding to them, because that's exactly what they want. If they never got the rise out of people that they wanted most of them would get bored and move on.

Which individual event is the worst is only 1 factor and is pretty insignificant. Its about effectiveness of applying resources. You can spend a million dollars to get rid of some amount of negativity and that increases average player happiness by X or you can spend a million dollars to get rid of some amount of trolls to increase player happiness by Y. If X is greater than Y, then X is then focusing on chat is the best option. That may not be what you personally care about but just because you don't like a decision doesn't make it wrong as a whole.

Trolling is a very real problem, and it does cause some of the chat toxicity as well. Though by how much is extremely debatable. But in my experience trolls are exceedingly rare. Trolling has the same definition problem toxicity has. Most of what I see get called trolling is like choosing graves over sivir. Not just like "lol trollpick" like legit angry thinking that a guy isn't trying because he chose graves. Similar reactions to things like building bloodthirster over bork or PD over shiv etc. And probably the most common I would say that I've seen is first blood. Its like some people someone define first blood as intentional fed. People see things they don't like and assume w/e someone is doing is intentional because they recognize different things as helpful.

Sythriel DrakenOct 21, 20153 votes

when will people learn that the system does not work. all it takes is for more than 2 people on the opposing team to trigger a warning. enough warnings is an automatic ban that's not checked by any human. it's run through an automated system that just sends out the chat restriction/ban without even showing you why.

Deep Terror NamiOct 21, 20153 votes

That's absolutely incorrect.

2 reports does not trigger a warning. You need to be reported many times across a high percentage of your games. The system also does not punish based on just you being reported; it parses your chat logs for verbal abuse reports. If it doesn't find anything then the report does not count against you.

ModWulf HelhammerOct 21, 20151 votes

Well that's wrong

Sythriel DrakenOct 21, 20152 votes

Tested it out on a new account. didn't say anything in a game, had 2 people report me, and thus a warning popped up.

ModWulf HelhammerOct 21, 20151 votes

Warning == punishment. The warnings are automated, and just mean that you are getting reported. That doesn't mean you are getting banned or anything, it just means someone reported you, and that if you get more reports, and those reports have something to them, you get punished

LintheOct 22, 20153 votes

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if somebody is mean to me I am often mean back, that's

Your behavior is still toxic. The fact that they "were toxic first" does not mean you get to be toxic.

As always: Mute, report, move on.

YuppersOct 21, 20152 votes

I can't deny that I haven't felt tilted before from other players being salty... but keep in mind, verbally fighting back doesn't really help anything. You see it wouldn't be that big of a deal if it was to your face (to which I agree, if someone is consistently verbally harassing you outside of the game, you have all the power to make it stop however you want). This is online...there are faces on the other side of the screen, which is why it frustrates you right? That someone, another person is insulting YOU for how you play? I can understand that.

But this is a different case when it comes to reaction...this is in a MATCH, a game that you're devoted to for however long it takes to finish up. During that time, tensions can get high; you can get on tilt, you can get raving mad. But you know what? You're STILL in the game. It's not like a realistic scenario where you can deal with the issue and walk off when you wish, you have to fully finish the game before you can leave (otherwise you'll face the wrath of leavebuster). You made a commitment to a game that you should fully go through. They can be the MOST nasty players with what they say, but the point that others in the comments are trying to make is that responding to them doesn't help anything. It doesn't help YOU especially, because you're putting more mind into the argument than you are the game itself.

It's frustrating to receive the reports, but try to pay heed to your own words too. If they're being nasty, the best case scenario is to simply mute them and move on. You can handle it however you wish...it's just the most effective way to get around salty people.

TL;DR: Bitching back doesn't help anything, so mute button would be better.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20151 votes

What if you make the person feel stupid for talking shit and they don't do it anymore, then does it still not help anything?

SmokedAlmondsOct 21, 20151 votes

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What if you make the person feel stupid for talking shit and they don't do it anymore, then does it still not help anything?

That is not a thing. People aren't mean cause some random person didn't tell them not to be.

Punishing people like you who respond to other mean people is not about protecting that other person.

Your team is already dealing with that first person, when you join in then your whole team has to deal with both of you. Its not you vs him. It is everyone vs both of you.

It does not matter if someone else started it or that someone else was worse. The only thing that matters is what you said.

Mute/ignore, play out the game, and move on. Anything else you are just making things worse.

BenjimonsterOct 21, 20151 votes

Not a thing according to what? How does anybody learn anything in a social setting? Certainly not by being ignored. A lot of people stop being mean when hold a mirror up to them.

SmokedAlmondsOct 21, 20151 votes

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Not a thing according to what? How does anybody learn anything in a social setting? Certainly not by being ignored. A lot of people stop being mean when hold a mirror up to them.

The same way you just learned that you shouldn't respond to people like that, they get punished.

BenjimonsterOct 22, 20151 votes

Wait, you think I'm going to change my behavior because of this system and my chat restriction? You don't understand anything about what I'm saying, and apparently haven't read any of it... and at this point I don't expect you to. You think just because you stated your 'morally high grounded' opinion that i automatically agree with you or something? You have a sincerely bloated ego dude.

BenjimonsterOct 22, 20151 votes

Idk, I usually tell people off quickly, concisely and then abruptly mute them and tell them I muted them. I feel like that is very effective, but sometimes, just sometimes I can't resist to keep talking to the person because they blow my mind. Like, how stupid they are and they're not trolling, I have to see more like a car wreck or something. That's how I ended with a chat ban, like, the game was WAY over and I just chose to talk to them instead of ruin my kda more... wtf is the big deal?!

YuppersOct 22, 20151 votes

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What if you make the person feel stupid for talking shit and they don't do it anymore, then does it still not help anything?

That depends on person to person, to be quite frank. Yes, it could help out; but at the same time could demoralize them further. You're right in the fact that it would help you (because they're shutting up), but the chances of that happening aren't as common as someone raging or wanting to continue a fight... because they're trolling. XD Most people argue and fight because they ENJOY making others upset; or could simply be venting. It'd be better to just let them vent and ignore them if they're being assholes. Trust me, engaging usually makes things worse.

Again, it's completely up to you for how you like to handle those situations, but i'd just personally recommend not letting others bother you. Human sensitivity is a thing that many don't tend to respect (especially online, where you're protected from those immediate consequences). So people are just bound to pick fights. Engaging in their fights helps no one, and discourages you from the game.

BenjimonsterOct 22, 20151 votes

Dodging issues doesn't help anybody. Letting riot deal with it is dodging the issue because their system is a joke.

MalaborathOct 21, 20151 votes

I have had this problem on and off for the past 20 games. I have been super tilted, and have like a 10% winrate (I Know it's terrible, usually around 70%) due to the toxicity of other players tilting me.

BenjimonsterOct 22, 20151 votes

The new south park (safe space) reminds me of this entire situation and riot's attitude about it. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.