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Digital Sauce·9/5/2015, 1:46:04 PM·1 votes·1,676 views

Riot deleted my original thread about this...

"Hey Digital Sauce,

We know you want to get more information in regards to your behavioral punishment and we have removed your post for being in the wrong section. -that grammatical structure though!

Here's the link to your deleted discussion:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/osqw6G4M/d/GtMgvJ2A

A good place to post this would be in:

Miscellaneous"

Below is all that transpired on my record in chronological order.

My original Ticket:

Hi, I request that you lift the needlessly long 14 day ban I received after no warnings. I can't believe your system is this flawed...

I didn't do anything against any of Riot's clearly stated rules so please, correct the mistake.

If you refuse to lift the ban I will no longer support League of Legends or Riot by giving them my money and I will definitely share this twisted experience with my friends.

Thanks.

My response to the automated email (which is gone now?):

"This type of behavior is unacceptable in this community. When there is nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. As a community, we also don't believe that retaliation is an appropriate response, so in cases where there is retaliation, both players receive penalties. This is the only warning this account will receive. Further examples of toxic behavior can result in permanent closure of your account."

What a condescending way to talk to a mindful paying customer... First off, there was absolutely no retaliation on my part, perhaps your company should invest in a dictionary. I also recommend you hire a psychologist to rectify this condescending tone you've put in place.

By definition of "Verbal Abuse" I've not done anything of the sort, I clearly stated my argument to the verbally abusive player and only made valid points about the game.

"Verbal abuse (also known as reviling) is described as a negative defining statement told to the victim or about the victim, or by withholding any response, thereby defining the target as non-existent."

If you understand this definition you'll notice that by commenting and constructively criticizing the individuals performance WITHIN THE GAME, I haven't committed an act of "verbal abuse" I commented on their performance and told them what they needed to hear to better understand the game and improve as a player. Not to mention proving the impact they're having on other people they're playing with - the enemy team was even criticizing the toxic players performance after the game and encouraged me to move on an continue playing...

Clearly your administrative system is severely flawed.

It's absolutely appalling that I'm being punished for this toxic saboteur's encouraged existence on your server.

FURTHERMORE, YOU NEED TO ADD THE GANGPLANK BILGEWATER EVENT ICON TO MY ACCOUNT BECAUSE THIS HAS REMOVED MY ABILITY TO OBTAIN IT FOR MYSELF. (sorry for caps just making it stand out) I literally needed 1 more game to unlock it and then I was wrongfully banned for constructive criticism over a players selfish, sabotaging and toxic performance in the game...

If you can rectify the inconvenience that your flawed business practices have caused me as a customer, I will consider playing and supporting this game and its product in the future. This customer experience will have a rippling impact on your sales from my whole group of friends, the biggest part of our experience is to enjoy the game together. So if one of us is permanently gone by any means, it will drastically effect the rest of the group. ALL OF US OR MOST OF US WILL DEFINITELY STOP PLAYING AND PAYING. I can see how it's pretty simple for Riot to be an effective service in this case...

Thanks again.

Second response from Riot:

Hi Drue,

As a new initiative to reduce the amount of toxicity within League of Legends, we’ve recently begun to audit players’ accounts for extreme cases of toxic behavior. Every account punished by this system was personally reviewed by someone at Riot to ensure accuracy.

After having reviewed your account, the decision to issue a 2-week suspension was made due to the extreme cases of toxicity we found. This type of toxic behavior has no place in League of Legends, and we will continue to punish players who exhibit this behavior.

Here are some chat logs from those games played that were negative. These are only a few of many chat logs that displayed negative behavior. Please know that this suspension is a warning before a possible permanent suspension.

Game 1:

[0:11] Digital Sauce (Udyr): no leash [0:30] Digital Sauce (Udyr): im uuuudyr [2:54] Digital Sauce (Udyr): fuckiung noobs [3:00] Digital Sauce (Udyr): go awat [3:07] Digital Sauce (Udyr): have to be on the ball or stay away [5:17] Digital Sauce (Udyr): akali [5:19] Digital Sauce (Udyr): what are you doing [5:27] Digital Sauce (Udyr): i cant help you [5:32] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you arent helping me [5:43] Digital Sauce (Udyr): again [5:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): if you arent there then jsut stay away [6:19] Digital Sauce (Udyr): how about you just pay attention? [6:24] Digital Sauce (Udyr): is it hard? [7:30] Digital Sauce (Udyr): no [7:35] Digital Sauce (Udyr): why do you ask? [7:45] Digital Sauce (Udyr): are you new at the game by any chance? [7:58] Digital Sauce (Udyr): not at all [8:39] Digital Sauce (Udyr): im not having any trouble [8:52] Digital Sauce (Udyr): im getting invaded and youre not doing anything about it as mid laner [8:56] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you need to learn how to play [8:58] Digital Sauce (Udyr): and how to communicate [9:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): its not my fault you are slacking [10:28] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you let jg invade my blue you wont get any ganks from me [10:35] Digital Sauce (Udyr): learn how to play [10:44] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you were in lane not paying attention actually [10:46] Digital Sauce (Udyr): holy shit [11:04] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you need to calm down [11:10] Digital Sauce (Udyr): its not hard [13:21] Digital Sauce (Udyr): look he ganked you with my blue [13:25] Digital Sauce (Udyr): thats fitting eh akali [13:52] Digital Sauce (Udyr): stop feeding akali [17:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you need to silence veigar [17:52] Digital Sauce (Udyr): isnt that obvious? [18:12] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you asked for gank and set nothing up [18:24] Digital Sauce (Udyr): luckily you didnt die while you were at it [18:49] [All] Digital Sauce (Udyr): thanks for leash [21:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): push lanes out [22:38] Digital Sauce (Udyr): says the feeder [23:03] Digital Sauce (Udyr): seriously [23:04] Digital Sauce (Udyr): stop feeding [23:20] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you just fed adc to shit [23:55] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you must not be paying any attention [24:12] Digital Sauce (Udyr): when will you start? [24:40] Digital Sauce (Udyr): can you do something [24:42] Digital Sauce (Udyr): stop sitting around [24:58] Digital Sauce (Udyr): i have 2 to their 1 solo [24:59] Digital Sauce (Udyr): pay attention [25:16] Digital Sauce (Udyr): this game is ez [25:18] Digital Sauce (Udyr): and you still feed [25:52] Digital Sauce (Udyr): no its ez bcuz this game is full of noobs [25:55] Digital Sauce (Udyr): and you are still feeding [25:58] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you are worse than a noob [26:17] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you know youre playing akali right? [26:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): ez mode champ? [26:55] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you would think that [26:57] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you arent very smart [31:34] Digital Sauce (Udyr): ... [31:38] Digital Sauce (Udyr): so bad [32:08] Digital Sauce (Udyr): standing around again [32:14] Digital Sauce (Udyr): such a bad mid [32:40] Digital Sauce (Udyr): yeah we have akali [33:01] Digital Sauce (Udyr): just stealing gold all over [33:09] Digital Sauce (Udyr): trying to feell good about self [33:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): its really not hard to stay in a good position [33:34] Digital Sauce (Udyr): do you understand positioning is a part of this game? [33:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): like how wwukong invading puts him at a disadvantage because mid can collapse on him [33:56] Digital Sauce (Udyr): but if mid doesnt understand any of that well then were fucked [34:10] Digital Sauce (Udyr): we lost cause you camped mid and steal gold form your tream [34:22] Digital Sauce (Udyr): look at u [34:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you are so trash [34:38] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you actually think kills means something in an objective game lol [34:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): whats he doing? [34:59] Digital Sauce (Udyr): getting kill? [35:04] Digital Sauce (Udyr): wtf is that useful for? [35:07] Digital Sauce (Udyr): dont we need gold? [35:17] Digital Sauce (Udyr): its simple why he is fucking us over [35:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): ive secured our only drags solo [35:32] Digital Sauce (Udyr): i stopped top from being taken with a gank [35:40] Digital Sauce (Udyr): what have you done? [35:43] Digital Sauce (Udyr): stole a kill? [35:54] Digital Sauce (Udyr): youre right akali mid is all that is carrying us [36:06] Digital Sauce (Udyr): its not my drags or presence [36:22] [All] Digital Sauce (Udyr): remeber youre on enemy team you cant see them [36:55] Digital Sauce (Udyr): sitting aroudn again [37:06] Digital Sauce (Udyr): can you please do something if you are going to steal all the kills buffs and farm? [37:13] Digital Sauce (Udyr): wow feeding again [37:16] Digital Sauce (Udyr): wtf is wrong with you [37:30] [All] Digital Sauce (Udyr): gg

This type of behavior is not acceptable and is why the suspension was placed. When there is nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. If you do not show any tendency toward improving your behavior, you may see harsher punishments.

Jickoy Player Support Specialist Four Bijuu Spirits of Great Power and Wisdom

My response to Jickoy

Hi again

I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by threatening me, or by saying the same thing in a slightly different way. You literally copy and pasted parts from the other email that was automatically sent to me...

When is Riot going to point out my toxic behaviour? You have disclosed a log from 1 game (again) and failed to describe how any of it is toxic - go ahead and post all examples of my toxicity on record. Am I supposed to censor what I have to say because some people in this situation are extremely sensitive? You know what before I ask another fair question, I'll wait for you to try communicating with me in a non-toxic way first.

Bye

My second ticket (titled; toxic support specialist):

I'm opening another ticket because of a toxic specialist that has taken on the responsibility of my original ticket.

To make a long story short, I was banned and requested it to be lifted as I'm positive it's due to a design flaw, all of which is pointed out with the original ticket.

The new problem Riot is causing for me is that one of the "support specialists" named Jickoy has threatened me and isn't responding to anything I'm saying. The response from Jickoy is like a broken record, stuck in a loop, repeating the automated response - except for the threat that Jickoy made, that was new.

I've already uninstalled League of Legends because it's now clear to me that the toxicity is trickling downward.

Thanks

Third response from Riot (ignores my second ticket indefinitely):

Hello Drue,

We have a Player Behavior team in place dedicated to working with these requests, so I need to transfer your ticket. A Player Behavior Specialist will be contacting you as soon as they can.

Thank you for your patience!

ScornedNymph Player Support Specialist the Dark Sovereign

I didn't say anything and waited for one week into my ban...

Fourth response from Riot:

Hey Digital Sauce,

I'm Mogey and I'm here to take a look at your concerns. One game is all it takes when others are being caused a negative or harmful impact. In this case some of the negative factors I see are offensive language; scolding others for playing poorly; and spamming. Essentially, yes, it would be a good idea to work on censoring, or reflecting what you say to others and how you say it. Every Summoner should aspire to offer positive experiences for others to reinforce positive morale and good sportsmanship; https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201751874-Behavior-Worthy-of-a-Champion

Keep in mind also that muting and language filters are a means to prevent further harassment, not an exception to allow it. I also know that other players might say or do foul things, and that you want to defend yourself, but don't let your reaction fuel them. Mute and Report are always the better options to prevent further harassment as well as help us prioritize who we look at; it’s the simplest defense.

Lighting your path,

Mogey Player Behavior and Game "All we have is somewhere to begin."

My response to Mogey:

Wow I'm surprised you're responding after so many days.

One game is all "it" takes? Communication is the key to a successful relationship.

I was banned for 2 weeks so quickly that it was impossible for me to actually read the notification that I had ever been reported.

So to my knowledge, that was the first time I was ever reported for verbal abuse and you're telling me it's a fair service to ban me immediately with no prior warnings? Once again, any of you've yet to point out the verbal abuse to justify this toxic treatment. You're also capable of reviewing the definition of verbal abuse shared that I understand, and yet you gloss over the whole issue I'm bringing to you. If I'm not receiving compensation for being wrongfully banned then you have nothing to offer me. The fact that I even have to explain this to you is why I already chose to stop playing League of Legends and supporting any of Riot's or Rioter's services. By the way, you're twisting the circumstances to say that I'm scolding another player for playing poorly, I was scolding them for being toxic which is clear without even reading their response that's been redacted in my personal log. You're also incorrect in stating that I was spamming, everything I said was entirely related to the game and the toxicity within it - maybe you've confused spamming with chat volume. I don't think there's a rule about chat volume.

If Riot continues to spam my email with these indirect and hateful messages, then they'll be banned from sending me emails at all indefinitely.Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 21:45:44 +0000 (I don't know why this time stamp was added to one of my posts, it's not an accurate portrayal of anything I'm aware of...)

Fifth response from Riot:

Hi again,

We do look at the context of everything regarding the case, and not just one side of it, so rest assured anyone contributing to those experiences will be investigated. Keep in mind that we do have to abide by a strict privacy policy and can't disclose the action taken. It's still important to use mute and report as protection for your benefit but as well as for the morale and focus of your teammates. This initiative also serves as that warning. If you have any further questions, we also have a compendium here that goes into more detail about how these initiatives work as well as its precision: http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements/L65wrRYe-player-behaviour-faq-updated-for-instant-feedback

Lighting your path,

Mogey Player Behavior and Game "All we have is somewhere to begin."

Riot closed my tickets

Riot asks me to fill out a survey about how they did

I didn't fill out the survey, since clearly they know what I think

My ban has been over for about a week now. Seeing as it took 10 days of a 14 day ban for that nonsense to be shared with me, I've obviously had no interest in returning.

I received no in-game/in-client warnings about my behaviour, even though my friends do, so I had no idea I was overstepping the boundaries Riot is expecting me to follow. So as punishment for not knowing this limitation on my expression, I receive a 2 week ban for calling someone an idiot/trash and pointing out what they're doing wrong when they're doing it wrong.

I definitely won't be changing my productive behaviour (as I see the evidence) regarding this kind of issue in the slightest, especially not because of this. You have to give respect to get respect, it isn't earned. This player disrespected our team as soon as they insta-locked someone else's position and defended their toxicity - by calling me r%%%%%ed.

This ultimately shows failure on Riot's administration techniques and customer service, despite this customer trying to work with them (at a personal cost) toward a mutual understanding.

Since originally posting this, I've returned to playing LoL in hope of finally playing as a 5-man ranked team - toxicity seems to have gotten worse though in the short span of time I was gone, I'm honestly amazed by this. Every game I've been in (mostly ranked duo) has at least 2 toxic players in it. I mute everyone regardless of intent as soon as the game starts since I've been back, this way I don't have to think about Riot failing at customer service. Now I'm worried I'll be getting banned because I'm not typing while I play. Lucky the Bilgewater event is over - Riot's super serious about Bilgewater

25 Comments

nerak239/5/2015, 3:11:41 PM8 votes

Atten. OP --

Holy shit noob ,you need to calm down. are you new at the game by any chance? You need to learn how to play, and how to communicate ! Seriously, wtf is wrong with you ? I cant help you, fuckiung seriously you need to stop this shit !

You arent very smart, do you understand you are so trash. Its really not hard to understand what have you done? WTF is wrong with you, this game is ez. Is it not hard to play and not remeber youre so bad and doesnt understand any of that ... well then were fucked.

Well, yes I could have wasted a bit more of my life on the above quote but I think everyone can get the picture.

THESE are ALL from your one chat log, and I could have made it look way worse. The point is: It's negative, demeaning and let me quote you again " condescending ". Do You Understand what I am trying to point out ?

AJStarhiker9/5/2015, 3:23:25 PM4 votes

I don't know what the other players did or said, but you're already throwing out insults in line 3 at the two and a half minute mark. And you don't stop.

Whether or not the other players were toxic first or not doesn't change that you were, too.

Your right to speak your mind also comes with the responsibility to accept the concequences. This is Riot's playground. They let you play but they also ask you to follow their rules. Part of that is not harassing other players, even if they start it.

RogueWill9/5/2015, 1:50:43 PM4 votes

Let me refer you to the terms of use"

" RIOT GAMES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY OR DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND WITH NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND TO YOU. Additionally, Riot Games may stop offering and/or supporting the Game at any time. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most Account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violation of this Agreement, the EULA, the Privacy Policy, or the Summoner’s Code (defined below). Accounts terminated by Riot Games shall not be reinstated under any conditions whatsoever."

You are fighting a really step fight my friend

Edit: After reading the log I must say, chill dude, you are harassing players and raging, I'm not saying you are the most toxic player but you are not the nicest either, just take your 2 week break and come back once you calmed down.

Jubbinaut9/7/2015, 6:31:07 PM3 votes

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[2:54] Digital Sauce (Udyr): fuckiung noobs

Insulting people is not acceptable, nor is it helpful to them.

[5:17] Digital Sauce (Udyr): akali [5:19] Digital Sauce (Udyr): what are you doing [5:27] Digital Sauce (Udyr): i cant help you [5:32] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you arent helping me [5:43] Digital Sauce (Udyr): again [5:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): if you arent there then jsut stay away [6:19] Digital Sauce (Udyr): how about you just pay attention? [6:24] Digital Sauce (Udyr): is it hard?

Badgering people is also not acceptable, nor is it helpful to them.

[8:56] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you need to learn how to play [8:58] Digital Sauce (Udyr): and how to communicate [9:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): its not my fault you are slacking

[10:35] Digital Sauce (Udyr): learn how to play

More of the same.

[21:48] Digital Sauce (Udyr): push lanes out [22:38] Digital Sauce (Udyr): says the feeder [23:03] Digital Sauce (Udyr): seriously [23:04] Digital Sauce (Udyr): stop feeding [23:20] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you just fed adc to shit

I have a hard time imagining how this could possibly be considered "constructive."

[25:16] Digital Sauce (Udyr): this game is ez [25:18] Digital Sauce (Udyr): and you still feed [25:52] Digital Sauce (Udyr): no its ez bcuz this game is full of noobs [25:55] Digital Sauce (Udyr): and you are still feeding [25:58] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you are worse than a noob

More insults? Still not acceptable. Still not helpful. Credit for the build-up/delivery style, though.

[26:57] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you arent very smart

[32:14] Digital Sauce (Udyr): such a bad mid

More insults again.

[34:22] Digital Sauce (Udyr): look at u [34:26] Digital Sauce (Udyr): you are so trash

How is this constructive in any sense?

I genuinely have no idea how you can consider a single word of your log to be "[telling] them what they needed to hear to better understand the game and improve as a player." Insulting and badgering people does nothing to help them understand the game. Nor does it do anything to help them improve as a player.

Now I'm worried I'll be getting banned because I'm not typing while I play.

Regarding this, there's no need for concern. No one has been banned for Refusal to Communicate for at least as long as Lyte has been working for Riot.

BeatzBoyFTW9/5/2015, 4:39:09 PM2 votes

The fact that you have already spit crap at the first few lines & not utilizing the mute button to prevent getting a Riot warning, you seriously deserved it.

EndlessSorcerer9/5/2015, 4:50:10 PM2 votes

It's good to see the automated system is functioning correctly.

Digital Sauce9/5/2015, 1:57:07 PM2 votes

Thanks for sharing, I'm well aware of this already though.

If Riot chooses to conduct business in an unfair way (whether legal or illegal) I have a right to express my opinion about it. As a customer, all I have is an opinion.

Edit: harassing players? I was responding to 3 toxic players - Akali being the one starting any of it.

Guyy Fieri9/5/2015, 3:24:37 PM2 votes

sorry to burst your bubble but it was deserved...you cant say whatever you like in game and expect nothing to happen

Sarutobi9/5/2015, 4:34:58 PM2 votes

Gotta love how delusional some people can be. Just because someone was toxic to you first doesn't give you the right to be toxic back towards them. Both of you (if the other person was actually toxic) deserve to be ban and if you continued to act that way possibly a permanent ban. I don't see how that's threatening towards you when your actions have consequences. All you needed to do was mute and report and more than likely (if they continued to be toxic) they would have gotten ban instead of you. But because you were childish you are now paying the price. Riot didn't single you out. You broke the ToS, and summonses code how difficult is that to understand?

Digital Sauce9/7/2015, 5:40:09 PM1 votes

The reason I'm posting this is because I've nothing to hide,** the fact that the third line has been twisted into anything beyond sarcasm is a great illustration of what's broken with the current system** - which is what I'm pointing out.

"Holy shit noob ,you need to calm down. are you new at the game by any chance? You need to learn how to play, and how to communicate ! Seriously, wtf is wrong with you ? I cant help you, fuckiung seriously you need to stop this shit !

You arent very smart, do you understand you are so trash. Its really not hard to understand what have you done? WTF is wrong with you, this game is ez. Is it not hard to play and not remeber youre so bad and doesnt understand any of that ... well then were fucked."

Paraphrasing such as this is a good example of an outside perspective projecting a misconstrued negative assumption. So I'll remind anyone reading that assuming isn't ever an accurate portrayal of transpiration. Such is life.

Coincidentally the aforementioned googled definition has changed to a slightly shallower version of what I originally read/copied/and shared with Riot. Which, if you took the time to read through the entire original post, went like this:

"Verbal abuse (also known as reviling) is described as a negative defining statement told to the victim or about the victim, or by withholding any response, thereby defining the target as non-existent."

I'm simply gesturing to Riot's own hypocrisy on the issue (confusing litigation aside, communication is simply important) - it's uninformative, and heavy-handed negligence destroys communities. Facts are facts, just saying.

I could try to defend myself by focusing on them. However, it's more important that I argue why the ban from Riot was negligence at best - I already did.

nerak239/7/2015, 6:09:18 PM1 votes

The reason I'm posting this is because I've nothing to hide, the fact that the third line has been twisted into anything beyond sarcasm is a great illustration of what's broken with the current system - which is what I'm pointing out.

"Holy shit noob ,you need to calm down. are you new at the game by any chance? You need to learn how to play, and how to communicate ! Seriously, wtf is wrong with you ? I cant help you, fuckiung seriously you need to stop this shit !

You arent very smart, do you understand you are so trash. Its really not hard to understand what have you done? WTF is wrong with you, this game is ez. Is it not hard to play and not remeber youre so bad and doesnt understand any of that ... well then were fucked."

You do understand that I copy pasted YOUR comments from the whole game right ? And I didn't use more then one quote unless you did in that chat log.

Paraphrasing

What I did to your log is what most people would conclude from your Needless negative statements threw that log. What I am saying is you are negative in that log. Not the worse I've seen but enough to deserve the punishment you got. Furthermore:

I could try to defend myself by focusing on them. However, it's more important that I argue why the ban from Riot was negligence at best - I already did.

Respectfully, you are placing the blame on Riot and not yourself and this is what I take acceptation to .

Beoridas9/5/2015, 4:46:27 PM1 votes

its not verbal abuse to ignore you lol. kind of an oxymoron there.

Digital Sauce9/7/2015, 7:08:14 PM1 votes

"I copy pasted YOUR comments"

CTRL+F quickly proved otherwise. What exactly is being concluded from my log?

"Not the worse I've seen but enough to deserve the punishment you got."

So, I deserve to not play LoL for 2-weeks because I tried to understand and communicate with a player without meeting an unknown criteria. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and started with direct communication and goal oriented feedback. I asked them honest questions so I could understand who I was playing with and how I could approach them appropriately (if at all) and their response was only insulting and condescending with extremely vulgar language. I managed to stay on task despite this and continued to give the player feedback.

After they devolved their argument even further and began to sabotage me in-game, I simply called them out on their toxicity. Muting them solves nothing other than turning their chat stream off - which I chose not to do. Everyone could've muted everyone!

I don't know why I was reported.

I reported the mid player for calling me retarded, saying I was doing something I wasn't, and sabotaging my actual experience in-game.

What has Riot accomplished by banning me? This thread is one thing.

I also usually mute everyone now so I can function in-game without thinking about the broken system that surrounds it.

"Respectfully, you are placing the blame on Riot and not yourself and this is what I take acceptation to ."

I'm definitely not blaming Riot for anything they didn't do, if that's what you're getting at...

"Badgering people is also not acceptable, nor is it helpful to them."

I'm not badgering someone, by definition, by asking them valid questions. In between my lines on the log are gameplay dynamics and an exchange of words taking place that you have no insight into (I didn't offer it).

"I have a hard time imagining how this could possibly be considered constructive."

The players are standing around without direction and I saw an opportunity for them to collect CS and pressure the enemy team. A quick and easy use of direction is also fair for me since I'm simultaneously playing the game.

"More insults? Still not acceptable. Still not helpful. Credit for the build-up/delivery style, though."

I can't take credit for the buildup, I was only responding...

"I genuinely have no idea how you can consider a single word of your log to be "[telling] them what they needed to hear to better understand the game and improve as a player." Insulting and badgering people does nothing to help them understand the game. Nor does it do anything to help them improve as a player."

I've provided my reasoning before. Mind you I'm not a coach, I've never been coached - what I said is relevant to the game. The player can choose to take it as guidance or not.

Since I didn't instigate the issue, I believe I handled it as well as I could've.

"How is this constructive in any sense?"

It's my response, the player elicited my response. If they don't like it they should self-reflect. Why should they though, I was banned - I was the one in the wrong right?

P.S. It's a bad idea to run with a one-sided story.

EDIT:_ "Regarding this, there's no need for concern. No one has been banned for Refusal to Communicate for at least as long as Lyte has been working for Riot._"

That's good to know!

nerak239/7/2015, 7:46:56 PM1 votes

You seem to think that with a lot of nay saying and misdirection that you can actually justify your behavior ..This is simple: This is what you said on your log and I tried to keep the statement structure similar to the context you seem to have put it in:

For New readers, I take this next quote from op's 1 chat log..

Holy shit noob ,you need to calm down. are you new at the game by any chance? You need to learn how to play, and how to communicate ! Seriously, wtf is wrong with you ? I cant help you, fuckiung seriously you need to stop this shit !

You arent very smart, do you understand you are so trash. Its really not hard to understand what have you done? WTF is wrong with you, this game is ez. Is it not hard to play and not remeber youre so bad and doesnt understand any of that ... well then were fucked

It Is Not Riot being punishing you unfairly, it is a cycle of things that you got busted doing. Who wants to read the things you type in your log ? I wouldn't like it . And the point here is, MOST people wouldn't like hearing this, thus why you are punished...

Digital Sauce9/15/2015, 9:32:58 PM1 votes

@Jubbinaut, fortunately, what you find (de)constructive about me isn't relative to how I choose to deter negative, toxic behaviour. Go right ahead and twist what I'm saying though if it makes you feel right, I can't stop that.

Also, in a vast majority of cases, attacks actually do result in an increase in performance from the recipient, for many survival-based reasons - this can be expressed in many different ways and is arguably the driving force behind evolution. Thus it's the most widely accepted justification for child abuse AKA punishment.

On a related note, abusers show a tendency to continue abusing when their victims and observers ignore abusive behaviour. Did you forget that my statement here is in regard to the abusive person playing Akali? Just checking, with another rhetorical question.

My insults, as you are describing it, are best reserved for instigators of abuse if the victim (me) accepts the responsibility of their (my) actions - the abuser's retaliation.

Am I justifying what I said? Nope and I never said I wanted to, I'm explaining why I chose to do it, period - there's nothing fancy about that... Personally, I don't pretend to be right so I can readily accept when I'm wrong.

It's unacceptable that Riot (a third party to this socialization) is banning me (and apparently many others) because I chose to respond to victimization with self-defense. If you don't see self-defense here then it's because you don't see the other side of the issue, or choose not to if you somehow did (Riot). That said, I'm undeniably responding to someone in this log.

I definitely don't think I'm perfect, unfortunately the world isn't either, I do think I'm acceptable - Riot, apparently, doesn't reflect this ideology, so I'd like to know why... beyond a condescending tone, that is.

Please try to understand the entire issue before you decide to get involved at a detriment to our society.

@Nerak23, I don't understand your posts, what is constructive about them? It's fine if you only want to disagree with how I feel, it's just that your subjective opinion is short-sighted by the very nature of this flawed system.

I'll point out, again, that you're also literally misquoting what is easily read in the log - you're just about flaming my post at this point too by doing that, IMO. That's passive-aggressive behaviour if you didn't realize it. No bans necessary though, I hope.

New readers are also capable of forming their own opinions after reading it, if they choose, so I don't know why you feel it's necessary to incessantly project your own opinion, as if it's the only one that can be accurate in this situation. Feel free to explain yourself.

There are many calming ways to investigate this issue and it clearly isn't being practiced within this community. That's too bad, sincerely.

nerak239/15/2015, 10:10:21 PM1 votes

I'll point out, again, that you're also literally misquoting what is easily read in the log - you're just about flaming my post at this point too by doing that, IMO. That's passive-aggressive behaviour if you didn't realize it. No bans necessary though, I hope.

.... Feel free to explain yourself.

Don't bother trying to imply I will get some kind of ban for repeating what you said in your logs. What you don't understand about my post (since you asked !) is I tried to make a point that what you say to people can sound aggressive, insulting, and just plain mean.

Even though you apparently want to see me banned, I still wish to help you ! (but not at the expensive of others reputations) ..Plain and simple is if you continue to talk like that after you have been punished the system will continue to punish you.

As I understand that you will keep trying to engage anyone who disagree's with you into an argument I won't waste my time..but please do not say inflammatory things about me in the future. Good Luck with this.

Digital Sauce7/21/2016, 7:26:54 PM1 votes

Reading through the thread again, It's still just as clear the intentions of the abusers...

This community is allowed, even encouraged to be extremely toxic. It's all about mass sales in the end, they don't care about the individuals.

With LCS, I've noticed that it's gotten considerably worse. As it always does around this time of year. Every game this week I've had multiple people who blow up at me for simply being in the game with them, of course every mistake they make is my fault too. It's too bad that in the majority of games people are complacent with the toxicity in League of Legends. It's not surprising though when look at how the tribunal, or whatever it is now, handles the problem.

I think what this community needs to understand is honesty. Sometimes it just kicks you in the face. That's life, take the rose-tinted glasses off - accept it.

No game should be taken this seriously by people who aren't and will never be professional. To be blunt, a two week ban for chatting with a flamer is a joke.

That's an incredibly toxic approach for anonymous power-trippers to take on handling a player who is trying to get rid of toxic players for them.

The community can disagree with me all they like, this is directed at the people above them, they simply told me to come here so I could see the toxicity again.

Riot is creepy anyway so what can we expect. Inb4 strangers lie again.