If a teammate is being senselessly berated... Please say something.

Lady Luck·4/18/2014, 5:19:51 PM·23 votes·1,999 views

This is partially a venting of frustration.

Background: I'm going to preface this by saying that I've been gaming online for fourteen years or so. I learned fairly early to avoid letting anybody know that I was female because of harassment. I remember buying the Warcraft 3 collector's edition and being offended when the cashier assumed I was buying it for my brother (though I was alone and gave no indication it was for anybody but me). A few months ago I wondered if the atmosphere in gaming had changed to be more accepting of females. As it appeared it had, I decided to change my name to Lady Luck. I felt great to have a name I want without concern of harassment. Overall, the community has been great. I rarely receive comments about being female - and I'm glad. I'm happy to be just another player.

However, today I had a particularly bothersome game. Some of the reason it bothers me is because I wasn't expecting it. I've grown comfortable on this account. The entire game I was being harassed for being female after I gave up first blood. In an ARAM. "Dumb girl" and "eat my dick" were repeated with the most frequency. I asked for advice since I wasn't playing as well as they wanted, and was told to go play checkers because LoL was "too fast" for me. The game was constant harassment from one player. The rest of the team said nothing about his comments. One player continued playing as normal - which is fine. One just danced behind a turret most of the time. I know somebody criticized the player's reactions to fights, but nothing about what he had to say. By the end of the game I was upset by the fact that this player could spend the whole game throwing sexist insults and it appeared acceptable. That is what bothered me. Nobody else seemed to care about the barrage of unhelpful, demeaning comments. If somebody had said something, even if it was just telling me to ignore him, I wouldn't have been so upset by the game. By saying anything, it would have given the impression that his behavior was not acceptable to the teammates. Instead, the silence says that this player's behavior is perfectly fine and dandy.

When I see teammates get berated senselessly I've often felt the need to either tell them not to worry about the person or to explain potential thought processes to the instigator. It's something I've wondered in the past if it was helpful, but after watching twenty minutes of silent teammates I've come to the conclusion that it really does help.

So please... If you have a teammate being berated say something. Let them know that the person's insults are not socially acceptable. It really does help.

Edit - Because it's been mentioned multiple times that I should have hit the ignore button... I honestly forgot it was there. If somebody in game had said to use that nifty button that's there for a reason... They'd have had my sincere gratitude for the reminder.

48 Comments

Tulare4/18/2014, 5:32:55 PM9 votes

Ms. Luck, I'd just like to take a moment to reassure you that some of us won't idly tolerate the kind of behaviour you've described.

I strive to remember that the other players are real people. Whether they are playing well or poorly, whether they are behaving well or poorly, it is morally correct to treat them with respect and compassion. I am always courteous and I never deliberately act, in word or deed, to spoil somebody else's enjoyment of the game, nor to belittle or hurt them personally.

I will prioritize acting like a good role model over playing the game. If another player believes that the outcome of the game takes priority over courteous and kind treatment of the other players, I will firmly and politely assert my position and will dispute the matter if necessary. I will not, by inaction, allow an angry player to believe that I silently support his or her behaviour.

Manchette4/18/2014, 7:27:07 PM3 votes

I may not be female, but I empathize with this frustrating dilemma. Usually, discouraging demeaning remarks is a priority for myself. Not to say that I will seek them out inquisition-style or anything. Your request has however revitalized my appreciation for how terrible harassment can become. I hope that the same has been done for all who have read your post.

Roaranor4/18/2014, 7:16:06 PM2 votes

Thank you for making this post.

Sir ArmaMalum4/19/2014, 3:52:45 AM2 votes

Thank you for speaking out about this Lady Luck, I would like to consider myself as one of those players that tries their best to prevent harassment whether it's to me or someone else. I can't say I have a perfect track record or that I haven't occasionally made things worse (some people just thrive off of conflict), but I do make a concerted effort. And I'm happy to see all the people here who feel the same way. So again, thank you for making this post.

Only if you are okay with it, would you mind if I added a link to this post to my post here? Always looking for more positivity posts to toss up there =)

Chaotic1344/18/2014, 6:11:47 PM2 votes

I try to remind people to be calm and that fighting amongst the team will get nothing done. Usually, this is enough of an eye opener for everyone to just forget about what was being said and start focusing on the team. Sometimes, I'll get those few that will call me a faggot for being so zen and non-flamey but that's what I ignore people for.

I actually posted a while back about hurtful comments and said that I would start ignoring everyone before the match started and then unignoring them after the match ended but it's easier to snuff out the negativity right from the get-go.

P.S. I think Twisted Fate stalks you because he knows when you're smiling which is frankly a little weird.

MasterofBalance4/20/2014, 4:52:00 AM2 votes

I feel your pain. I mean, I probably won't understand harassment for my gender any time soon, but I empathize. I'm still annoyed and infuriated by past games when I can remember some jerk saying stupid stuff and generally not being helpful, either in gameplay or in chat. To that end, I want you to know that there are, in fact, honorable players out there, and I'd like to think that I'm one of them. I hope one day we can snuff out trolls or simply shut them up, but until then, thank you for sharing some advice for those of us who take playing the game and having fun seriously :).

gl hf out there,

MasterofBalance

Chaotic1344/19/2014, 1:43:57 AM1 votes

I don't know if this has been brought up in a comment but I despise how we separately treat different genders in games. We're all people. A girl is no worse or better at video games than a boy is.

LilYonsan4/18/2014, 6:55:40 PM1 votes

Firstly, I would like to address your point about it seeming like the video game world has become a little less misogynistic. As far as the spectrum as a whole, I think there are some very enlightening and good studies showing truly how unfair the video game world can be towards females. Coming from a gay man, most of my best friends on league are female because generally speaking they're just the people that I have the most fun with.

As far as when it comes to people trolling and flaming on league of legends. You have to realize that this game is competitive enough that before you play in a session, you should always brace yourself for the worst. "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst". You'll have to be prepared for that match that everyone just hates you and just talks badly about you. It's, unfortunately part of the community.

At the same time, that doesn't make it right. I fully agree with you that if there is ever flaming going on, that it should be the duty of every player on this game to quell, or defend the victim at all costs. It's not right, and trash-talking like that only makes everyone feel worse-including the aggressor of the conversation. Stand up for what you believe is right, that's all fine and dandy. If you think that your jungler is just a total moron, you can try to give him advice, but you have no right to berate him for not having a good game. We all have bad games, and we need to accept this as a universal truth of league.

As for the victim: Don't stand up for yourself. I've found in almost all of my cases that when a team is trying to flame me, or there is just that one toxic member of a team crowding up the place with his useless dialogue, then I'll just save myself the trouble and mute the person/persons. It's not worth it to even respond to them, because no matter what you say, it's not going to make the situation any better. It's always better to take the high road and just pretend the person doesn't exist.

As for your personal experience. On behalf of the male population that plays league, I am immensely sorry, and ashamed of our gender. I hope that you, personally, don't see this as an affront from all males in the league of legends community, and truly hope that you will continue to play the game and try to make the most of it.

Legacy Ninja4/19/2014, 4:01:33 AM1 votes

It appears as if people are still stuck in the past. They believe that things shouldn't change or assume nothing is different, thus refuse to accept the changes. The sexist remarks are blatant arrogance or lack of respect. It happens. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it shouldn't be acknowledged by you or anyone experiencing it, it just fuels the fire. As for those who didn't respond to his remarks, they probably didn't feel comfortable to step in, which is a cowardly thing, but that also happens.

The events are rather unfortunate, but I personally believe you should ignore it and move on, value those who are, A) willing to defend you, and B) there at your side being loyal and respectful. Not everyone in communities are willing to accept change or treat people fairly. As a guy, it's assumed I wouldn't know anything about sexist remarks or things like that, but I do. In fact, I experience remarks due to my bisexuality. Everyone knows how frequently people attack those groups.

I've also encountered sexist remarks as well. All this being in-game, so don't think I strayed from subject. I highly recommend blocking them and muting them in-game. It calls for a simple solution and ending to such pathetic levels of actions. I apologize for such a long reply, but I feel it was necessary. Of course I had much more to say to this, I just feel I made this too long already.

Anyway, I hope you pull things together and find more respectful players. I really hope you don't let this get the best of you.

Keep your head high and your mind clear. You appear to be a polite lady and deserve equivalent treatment. Hope you fix these issues.

~Legacy Ninja

StopToxics4/19/2014, 6:44:39 AM1 votes

Dear Luck, I am female too and i main support though i do normally ask if there are another female players in champ select out of curiosity it never had been a problem for me until very recently when i played a Leona support. Every time i initiated a 2v2 or even a 2v1 my adc would back all the way up to the turret regardless of the enemies health or knowledge of the enemy jungler top. Quickly fallowing my death and them diving for him as well. And the entire game both my team and the enemy team yelled sexist comments telling me that "i cant play league because i don't have balls." Ironically i ended the game with 4/9/21 and my adc at 0/14/4. but even after the game the entire chat box was nothing but things like "Leona go uninstall" "Leona put your boyfriend back on his account..." I don't know what happened or why in that game but i understand what happened and it feels bad... i didn't play another game for a couple days i was so upset...

IS10f4482deb2de49246fd54/19/2014, 9:16:56 AM1 votes

If you are unhappy about toxic behaviour, then LoL probably isn't the game for you.

I understand and appreciate where you are coming from and actually, I completely agree, nobody should be put in the situation that you were in... BUT there is something to consider before you say they said nothing to back me up so now I'm even more upset by it.

I will use myself as an example. I work a 40 hour week, am in a long distance relationship and like to spend time doing non-gaming stuff. Because of work, being with someone in a different timezone and having little time with her and wanting to have a life outside of gaming, when I play LoL, or any game for that matter, I want to play and have fun. Getting into a bitching session with some teenager who obviously isn't going to stop or change their mind is pointless and rather than allowing me to have fun or even give me a sense of doing right by improving the community, because I am in fact not improving the community, it does nothing but take away from the experience and stop me from enjoying myself.

Because of that, I will generally say nothing, not because I think the behaviour is acceptable, but because to start a slanging match with some 14 year old will accomplish nothing but almost certainly seal a loss, which isn't fair on the other 3 players on my team. Instead I will ignore them in game (which you should do, the feature is there for when you get people that the guy you encountered), report them after the game and I regularly vote in the tribunal. If everyone took that stance, took an active part in the tribunal and showed that offensive comments = bans, it would not stop these sorts of people, but would become a less frequent occurance.

Contrary to popular belief, most people that play LoL aren't teenagers. They may have the biggest proportion for each age bracket, but overall non-teens are the majority, and most non-teens don't care for calling people names in game (emphasis on most). Because of that they have lives, whether it be work, family, studying at uni/college or whatever else that takes up most of their time, with gaming being a release. A lot of them will act the same as me, I had enough of stupid arguments with teenagers when I was one and will emphasise my desire to not want to have arguments with them once I start my own family. I don't want to sit there typing away to someone else's kid when I will only know them for all of half an hour, I would rather spend that half an hour enjoying myself.

Zantheus4/19/2014, 2:16:54 PM1 votes

The worst thing about it is that most people see the report system only to report players who are not performing well in-game. I was in a game with a Blitzcrank supp and the Ashe was just being terrible to him so I said knock it off (I assumed the Blitz was the free-week pick so I expected him to not play as well). While Ashe was flaming about the bad support and the feeding, the rest of the team was completely silent, save me and Blitz. We ended up losing that match (and I lost many others, just check lolking.com......), and ate the post game chat, we requested that people report for harassment, but others only know how to report for feeding, trolling, and KSing.

My point is, while the League community may seem nice and dandy, the silence and stupidity of players who don't really know the report system makes the game terrible (most times, I just skip the post chat because of the toxicity of players and their comments). This behavior of people across the game has made me want to quit multiple times, and I just started playing the game 2 months ago!

But seeing that Rito has coaxed me to spend $200+ on the game, I can't quit yet......I've invested too much in the game...

The Last Relapse4/20/2014, 5:02:31 AM1 votes

It is inspiring too see a small band of players speak up and and let others know dumb behaviour will not be tolerated. Not trying to steal the spotlight but i can empathize a great deal with what you are saying, except im a guy and it was far from sexism. I quit this game a couple months ago(coming back for a short while just too see what is up) purely because of people. Every game degenerated into a pissing match about who has more skill, who gets to have it there way, who can misplay the most or, my personal favourite, who can attack someone the fastest. Some games had there crap start in the pre game lobby, it was so quick.

All the arguing and head butting got to be too much, I started getting into it with them, after a while started ignoring only to find they would rather quit, run around, feed, report positions, or bait fellow players to suicide. I got so fed up with it i swore off the game for a while. Seeing this kind of brings back the good memories of the games where people just had fun, no stress, no arguing, no pro league crap, just players playing a friendly game, and those moments were pure magic.

I'm sorry too hear about what you had to go through though, if I had been in the same game, regardless of who the person was, would not have tolerated any form of discouraging behaviour or words. Ps kind of funny, intolerance towards those without tolerance. Double standards are fun :P.

OblongOtter4/18/2014, 11:54:09 PM1 votes

This really inspired me to speak up for people more, and to make sure I remember to send in reports for verbal harassment and whatnot. I feel super bad for what happened to you, and apologize for my gender. Also I would like to add you, Tulare, and Chaotic to my friends list, if that's ok with you.