This video about Tencent needs more visibility

My ADC Abuses Me··265 votes·17,229 views

EDIT: Just so everyone knows, it's come to the attention of quite a few people that there is no discernible link between Tencent and Sesame Credit, despite what the video says. Everything else in the video may or may not hold up to scrutiny but until concrete evidence links those two things, it's not Riot's problem and this thread is simply a discussion of the situation in China with Sesame Credit. That said, I think we'd all appreciate a knowledgeable Rioter (perhaps they know as little as we do and therefore refrain from commenting) telling us more. Information is key here.

Especially Riot employees should see this and reconsider their affiliation with one of the most sinister and oppressive companies in the world, Tencent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

It's Orwellian, it's malicious, and it's despicable. Riot ought to address the horrors going on in their parent company somehow.

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Xayah for Dinner59 votes

idk man

I thought China was already really fucked up? This seems like one more fucked up thing about China added to the pile of shit we all already knew about

Sire Hippington12 votes

The real danger isn't what this does to china, though that already would be bad enough, but what this implies.

This system in china is a prototype of a new incredible potent form of mass manipulation. The big danger is that other systems, be it goverments, religiions or corporates, adapt that system and further develope it, getting a smarter and way more suptile aproach than china.

Edit: After further research, it appears that Sesame Credit is not more than a chinse version of FICO-Rating or Shufa. So a raw credit-rating with no political intentions. ( a good article on this subject: http://qz.com/519737/all-chinese-citizens-now-have-a-score-based-on-how-well-we-live-and-mine-sucks/)

However, the chinise goverment is indeed planeing a social credit score for 2020, haveing a competion of serveral credit scores as pilot projects for the governmental credit score, with the most prominent one beeing sesame credit. So while sesam credit atleast for now is a raw credit rateing system, it probably will serv as fundation for a govermental system. There is actually not much known about that govermental system besides the directive.

The problem is that the directive is very vague, while it does not directly state that data is used as implyed by extracredits, it also does not say thatz it will not.

from the directive:

....establishing the idea of an sincerity culture, and carrying forward sincerity and traditional virtues, it uses encouragement to keep trust and constraints against breaking trust as incentive mechanisms, and its objective is raising the honest mentality and credit levels of the entire society. (....) Government promotion, joint construction with society. Fully give rein to the organizational, guiding, promoting and demonstration roles of government. The government is responsible for formulating and implementing development plans, completing regulations and standards, fostering and supervising credit service markets (....) foster good habits of sincerity and trust-keeping, (...) ...and guide toe construction of professional ethics and behavioural norms.

I think the main problem is that in this context, the definition of terms like 'honest mentallity', 'professional ethics' and 'behavioural norms' is not given. Combined with the frequent mention of 'Government promotion', this certainly hints to the possibility that the definitions of 'good habits of sincerity and trust-keeping' and such will be up to the goverment, and while the directive does not push one to interpretations such as the one in extra credits, it certainly does allow for such interpretations, and the though of it isn't far fetched.

i'm still very skeptic towards what happens in china,as they are creating a social credit rateing(and actually serveral credit rateings for everything, includeing rateing systems) with reward/punishment systems, and they use lots of data for that, which gets suppostly provided by alibaba(though this isn't confimed by alibaba) weehboo and so on(though that doesn't really differ much from the western world, only that china is more open about data collection) but it's not as bad as extracredits makes it look like, especially in how far tencent is involved on it.

However, the idea of an establishment useing gameification in a similar way as presented by extracredits remains most unsettling.

Disclaimer: I only did skim the directive and i am by far expert for such things, so take this with a grain of salt and look into the directive your self.

Remlap122338 votes

HOLY. SHIT.

This is literally the prototype to the Sybil System.

As much as I absolutely can't stand Extra Credits, they made a good point with propaganda games, and this shit is unbelievable. This is really scary. Like, really, REALLY scary.

Odinakos4 votes

Sybil system was designed to prevent crimes by finding people that would commit it. It worked decent for that perpose even thought it was far from perfect and stepping on moral boundaries.

On the other hand this highly immoral and is designed to manipulate people toward patriotism ethnicism in order to control them. Classical chinese goverment. It has taken a lot similar actions so stepping into social media does not surprise me. But gonna admit i would never expect that level.

Remlap12237 votes

The Sybil System was designed as a means of social order. So is the Sesame Score.

The Sybil System is the extreme personification of the Sesame Score. It models you around what society expects of you, and you get branded a "latent criminal" or in this case "unpatriotic". You get your rights taken away from you, and if it's high enough, thrown in prison or executed on the spot.

The Sybil System was so unbelievably bad that a woman got beaten to death in the street by some dude wearing a helmet that mimicked the Psycho-Pass of the last person he saw, and people literally just stood around and watched. They had no clue on how to respond to danger, because Sybil had ingrained in the minds of the public that the system was perfect at catching criminals and preserving order, even though a woman literally got beaten to death right in front of them. To add insult to injury, just before she died, she got a warning from the government, because her Psycho-Pass got cloudy (you know, because I"m sure you wouldn't be completely stress free if you were being beaten to death). I'm not even talking about the "criminally asymptomatic" assholes that literally could slit someone's throat out in public without registering a single point on their Psycho-Passes.

This kind of shit really isn't that far off. Sesame Scores are going to be mandatory in 2020, and while a system that can adequately measure someone's mental health status from just scanning them is something not happening anytime soon, using China's version of Facebook to weed out potential political dissidents before they can spread their message is particularly powerful. Not to mention, they don't even need to punish them and censor them, because using positive and negative reinforcement, they can use social ostracization to do all the work for you. Like they said in the video; fear is negative and breeds resentment. Assassinations and government purges and other means of suppressing the populace build resentment. But social ostracization is extremely benign and most people would never see it as an attack on their freedoms, just keeping out the undesirables that would harm their perfect society.

Daedalus87128 votes

All hail our Chinese overlords!

(Can I get some free RP now?)

HeadHonchkrow13 votes

Holy Shit.

Raw10 votes

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Ghi2 votes

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Squarefighter6 votes

Or maybe he's just pretentious.

Hyrum Graff8 votes

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Time to unlink that Facebook from your League client hommie.

http://www.auplod.com/u/daopul5c344.png

Or just delete your facebook. It's damn hard getting off, but now that I'm free for ~6 months, it's not really as big of a deal as you might imagine.

https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/no-facebook-me.png

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

Now if only "deleting" Facebook accounts actually deleted the accounts.

My ADC Abuses Me10 votes

Going to keep this bumped until Riot responds. Share and spread this guys.

AbyssionKnight10 votes

I don't really see this as an issue with the big companies in China, as much as an issue with China as a country.

The government requested this system, and in an Authoritarian State, can those companies honestly deny the government? They have a huge amount of their power base in China. Tencent buys into all these foreign game companies ,because traditionally Chinese Business strategies fail outside of china due to how enclosed and specific the market there is.

Sure it sounds noble to say 'Well, they could just leave China and take a stand for liberty and freedom!' but that's not so easy. That would cost millions of people their jobs, and would ruin these companies (and I can't think of a single company that willingly and intentionally would destroy itself to make a political point).

So while you can certainly blame these companies for making an effective system, this video certainly doesn't provide anywhere near the evidence that would suggest that these companies are enthusiastic about the idea, or doing it with malicious intent.

JedenVojak5 votes

They may in fact be being coerced and are unwilling participants in this scheme; that said, it does not mean that their actions are justifiable or that the company should continue to be supported.

AbyssionKnight6 votes

Oh yeah, I wasn't trying to say they're innocent, since they did get involved with this operation. I was just pointing out it's not as black and white as 'Tencent are evil!' which is what it sort of feels this thread is suggesting, and something the video didn't really address either.

JedenVojak4 votes

Fair enough.

It's more the case that, it doesn't really matter whether their evil or not, what they're doing is bad and if people feel strongly about it they should boycott their assets.

I do agree with your general sentiment that there is really nothing Riot can do about it; practically speaking they can't. They're owned by Tencent, and short of buying up all of their shares somehow they have no real recourse.

Hyrum Graff4 votes

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(and I can't think of a single company that willingly and intentionally would destroy itself to make a political point).

Lavabit.

Very Epic Guy8 votes

This is honestly just messed up...

Nsane6 votes

Oh wow.

Pierce The Veal6 votes

[{quoted}](name=My ADC Abuses Me,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=FMINwB37,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-12-16T22:10:56.832+0000)

Especially Riot employees should see this and reconsider their affiliation with one of the most sinister and oppressive companies in the world, Tencent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

It's Orwellian, it's malicious, and it's despicable. Riot ought to address the horrors going on in their parent company somehow.

Not much different from how the USA works to be fairly honest. At least China's rather open about it.

Sid883 votes

Actually, China isn't exactly a democratic nation. Even though you get to elect a President, you can't make a different party with different ideals to propose another candidate. For example the US has a two party system: Republican and Democrat. So unless the candidate is standing as an individual, the presidential candidates will belong to either of these two parties. India on the other hand, has a multiple party system. It means that citizens of India can make as many parties as they like and propose candidates from them for the elections. However China, has a single party system. So the candidates who will stand for presidential elections will be from one party only. If this were applied to the US system, you would only be able to elect a Republican because the Democrat party wont exist. So even though it looks like democracy, its not a true democracy, because even though on face value people get to choose between candidates, the candidates can't exert their free will and in the end the same party will continue to rule China till the end of time and hence the communism stays.

TL; DR: Its amazingly different from the US because you actually get a choice to vote for someone who doesn't have to follow a specific party ideal. So if such a system were going to be applied by a party to the country, it would fall hard in the next elections and probably wouldn't get elected till the people forgot about the incident. In China, the party has nothing to fear. Even if the people don't like their ideals they have no choice but to elect someone of the same party because, no other parties are allowed. Admittedly in the US, you don't exactly get a HUGE range of choice, but still its better than being a farce democracy where you have no rights to say and type whatever the hell you want about the government or the president and get away scott free.

Pierce The Veal6 votes

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Actually, China isn't exactly a democratic nation. Even though you get to elect a President, you can't make a different party with different ideals to propose another candidate. For example the US has a two party system: Republican and Democrat. So unless the candidate is standing as an individual, the presidential candidates will belong to either of these two parties. India on the other hand, has a multiple party system. It means that citizens of India can make as many parties as they like and propose candidates from them for the elections. However China, has a single party system. So the candidates who will stand for presidential elections will be from one party only. If this were applied to the US system, you would only be able to elect a Republican because the Democrat party wont exist. So even though it looks like democracy, its not a true democracy, because even though on face value people get to choose between candidates, the candidates can't exert their free will and in the end the same party will continue to rule China till the end of time and hence the communism stays.

TL; DR: Its amazingly different from the US because you actually get a choice to vote for someone who doesn't have to follow a specific party ideal. So if such a system were going to be applied by a party to the country, it would fall hard in the next elections and probably wouldn't get elected till the people forgot about the incident. In China, the party has nothing to fear. Even if the people don't like their ideals they have no choice but to elect someone of the same party because, no other parties are allowed. Admittedly in the US, you don't exactly get a HUGE range of choice, but still its better than being a farce democracy where you have no rights to say and type whatever the hell you want about the government or the president and get away scott free.

Look beyond the surface. And plus, don't fool yourself into thinking the US has any democracy. That's long gone after Citizen's United. And while you're busy going crazy over some celebrity scandal, some politician scandal, or Donald Trump, your friendly Congress will be signing into law bills that benefit few and harm many. And simultaneously while you're listening to CNN and Fox spew "the truth" the President will be able to have any American assassinated, and is allowed to send troops to fight without actually declaring war.

And if you really think invading other countries and killing the people who aren't interested in what we call democracy is democratic, then you're blind. America used to be great. America used to be all about its own people. The America of today is not a democracy, but an empire.

Sid883 votes

Well I although I've heard this from Americans, that a lot of them think their democracy doesn't exist. I don't honestly know. I mean I'm from India and we do have an actual democracy without these issues. Although we have different issues that are just as bad. But from where I come from, we believe the actions of our government is our responsibility and our fault as a people, because, lets face it, we're the ones who elected them. So if George Bush Jr. decided to invade other countries, you gotta understand that the guy got elected. I mean there was another candidate who probably didn't wanna do it. You had a choice. The people of China don't get that choice. Which is why its much worse out there.

See you're talking about how your democracy is flawed and their signing bills that harm the people. That its not a democracy anymore but an empire. In China you might get arrested for that, and thrown in jail for being a traitor or worse. It wouldn't matter to them whether you're right or wrong. In the US you have the freedom to stand in the election. You can be a President if you worked for it. If a majority of the people support you, you'll get elected. I mean. YOU can do that as a citizen of the US. No one can actually stop you from doing it! If you don't wanna join a party and get party funding, you can step up as an individual candidate.

For example, in our country, the current Prime Minister (equivalent to an American President) started his life as someone who worked on the streets selling tea. Just because his thoughts matched those of the people of this country he got elected and now is doing whatever the hell he wants with 0 opposition, because this man won with a mandate that absolutely no one ever has in the history of the world. We had a choice, and we made ours. You have a similar choice now. People of China -> No Choice.

But one thing everyone must understand is that in any and all places, the people are responsible for how their country behaves. If you think you're country is great, GJ! Pat yourself on the back and the back of everyone else who went and voted. If you think your country sucks, its the people's fault and no one else's. Its not like you got attacked by Genghis Khan who sacked everything and killed everyone for 20 years! If America isn't great anymore, they have no one else to blame but themselves.

But this is what I know from my personal experience. I lived in Texas for about 2 years. I know that people are friendly. They work hard. They're honest and love their families. They take care of their own and anyone else who needs it. They stress on quality and quantity. After visiting a lot of other countries over the past few years I have never met a warm and friendly bunch as the Americans! (don't even get me started on Europe! ugh EU is BAD!) So you can imagine how hard it is for me to actually believe that America isn't great anymore. Sure you're not the financial leader of the world! But till date, every single American I've had the blessing to talk to, has been as warm and friendly as I believe they are to be, and to have such good nature is so many people, is something I would be proud of every single day of my life. :)

Earl Eulrich5 votes

The problem with this is that you cling to the concept that voting actually changes things, empowers the common people. That´s just not the way this world works anymore unfortunatelly - especially in the US getting elected costs enourmous amounts of money, so every candidate that wants to get to the white house has at some point to sell himself to the companies that can finance his election campaign. Nowadays most of what´s happening in gouvernment actually serves "the economy" not humanity iself, mostly because there´s this ill belief that a strong economy will be good for all people, while what this politic brought us over the last decades is rather the opposite: climatic changes and other environmental damages, a brider gap then ever between rich&poor, wars (as that system relies on every growing ressources despite the fact that ressources on this planet are evidently limited),...

So yea, the west is not surpressing his people in the way China does - but instead he keeps them entertained/worrying about other things. It might feel better to live here, but ultimatly both systems are deeply corrupted.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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Well I although I've heard this from Americans, that a lot of them think their democracy doesn't exist. I don't honestly know. I mean I'm from India and we do have an actual democracy without these issues. Although we have different issues that are just as bad. But from where I come from, we believe the actions of our government is our responsibility and our fault as a people, because, lets face it, we're the ones who elected them. So if George Bush Jr. decided to invade other countries, you gotta understand that the guy got elected. I mean there was another candidate who probably didn't wanna do it. You had a choice. The people of China don't get that choice. Which is why its much worse out there.

See you're talking about how your democracy is flawed and their signing bills that harm the people. That its not a democracy anymore but an empire. In China you might get arrested for that, and thrown in jail for being a traitor or worse. It wouldn't matter to them whether you're right or wrong. In the US you have the freedom to stand in the election. You can be a President if you worked for it. If a majority of the people support you, you'll get elected. I mean. YOU can do that as a citizen of the US. No one can actually stop you from doing it! If you don't wanna join a party and get party funding, you can step up as an individual candidate.

For example, in our country, the current Prime Minister (equivalent to an American President) started his life as someone who worked on the streets selling tea. Just because his thoughts matched those of the people of this country he got elected and now is doing whatever the hell he wants with 0 opposition, because this man won with a mandate that absolutely no one ever has in the history of the world. We had a choice, and we made ours. You have a similar choice now. People of China -> No Choice.

But one thing everyone must understand is that in any and all places, the people are responsible for how their country behaves. If you think you're country is great, GJ! Pat yourself on the back and the back of everyone else who went and voted. If you think your country sucks, its the people's fault and no one else's. Its not like you got attacked by Genghis Khan who sacked everything and killed everyone for 20 years! If America isn't great anymore, they have no one else to blame but themselves.

But this is what I know from my personal experience. I lived in Texas for about 2 years. I know that people are friendly. They work hard. They're honest and love their families. They take care of their own and anyone else who needs it. They stress on quality and quantity. After visiting a lot of other countries over the past few years I have never met a warm and friendly bunch as the Americans! (don't even get me started on Europe! ugh EU is BAD!) So you can imagine how hard it is for me to actually believe that America isn't great anymore. Sure you're not the financial leader of the world! But till date, every single American I've had the blessing to talk to, has been as warm and friendly as I believe they are to be, and to have such good nature is so many people, is something I would be proud of every single day of my life. :)

America is no different from Europe, in fact the current Europe is its birthchild. America was after all, the one to rebuild Europe after the World Wars. You're correct when you say that there are some really friendly people here, but I have to say that there is a lot of propaganda here as well as the entertainment industry which controls the populace. The population thinks they're happy and great (usually), while we're in the process of having things happen that shake the bounds of democracy. The USA is no democracy, it is an oligarchy and an aristocracy. I'm willing to bet that India also has elements of the same. This model of democracy that was force fed to the world is flawed because it can easily be manipulated by a few for their own personal gain.

Am I saying China isn't horrible? No, they are. I'm just saying many of the exemplary "democracies" of the world are not really kuch better.

DunkinNoobs6 votes

Newsflash people: Every large company that has ever existed has relationships with other shady companies. Literally every dollar you spend is partially used to fund things you would find reprehensible; there's nothing special about Riot here.

TeCoolMage5 votes

Patriotism Nationalism is a tool for most countries but an obstacle for successful countries.

China's attitude towards people who are dedicated to their country represents everything I hate about Nationalism.

The relationship between the populace and the government should be mutually beneficial, it's disgusting to rely and spread the attitude of "I do this for my country" and not "I do this for the benefit of both myself and society". To give this abstract concept a tangible form, by making a score system for how much you do for the government, by penalizing people who criticize what needs to be criticized, and rewarding those who do what the government asks regardless of what's gained for humanity in general

WillieTheWhale5 votes

Disgusting

coevke5 votes

The article is written irresponsibly. Since the source it based on is a fabricated story. "open sesame" will open the door of hidden treasures for "Ali baba" (the company name behind it) based on Arabia fairy tales. Isn't it obvious this is at best a marketing stunt? "Sesame Credit System" is a 3rd party online reputation (called Credit but not really) evaluation and tracking system run within the boundary of services provided by "Alibaba", the giant internet company in China equivalent of Amazon+Ebay+Facebook. While this system is based on big data, it takes in user's internet posts, the product you bought, etc into account, then produces a credit score, which is used if you want to apply loan from the same company, all this happens within the boundaries of services provided by one company, Alibaba. So it is not too different from Amazon reputation, or Reddit karma. The difference is the sesame score is cleverly named "Credit Score" and it has a range between 0 and 900, to confuse people, especially those who lives in the US "Credit China" is a government run business complaint/case history tracking system, similar to BBB. It claims it also tracks 900k individuals, or 0.08% of the total population, however these individuals are most likely business representatives. This system does NOT generate a credit score as result. Unlike what the article claimed. The two systems are not linked in any way. So, the foundation of the article is based on a frictional, "would-be" story. The article assumes Ali's credit system is the ultimate version of government credit system. It's easy to see that is unlikely and not feasible because government does not have access to the intimate details of buyer-seller relation, among other information. They may attempt to do it in a secret way, somehow. However, will they use secret info in a public credit score? My guess is unlikely. You must realize no matter how big Alibaba is, they still have competitors (in fact, many huge companies as competitors), and China also have anti-monopoly laws. Alibaba's system is not implementable at the State level, because it requires a virtual monopoly of e-commerce, online communication, phone, etc by ONE company. Be it private or state-owned, that is the end of Chinese economy. So even if the government will build a social credit system, it will be likely NOT based on online communications, your message on discussion forums, or buying/selling records. Those are still within each private company's database (like Alibaba). More likely, (and this is just my speculation) the government system is based on record of debt collection, loan, tax etc just like the US credit system today. The difference might be that it will be a government department, not three independent organizations, that keep credit scores. Then, there is the question of if your credit score needs to be accessible by other people. In most countries, you can pay a fee to get to know other people's credit score, for example, as part of background check. How easy/difficult Chinese government will make this process be, I can not predict.

The Governer5 votes

Seeing this thread makes me realize how oblivious a lot of people are.

They never question sources or veracity of the video and form judgments merely based on the video instead of asking "is it true?".

Even the Youtube comment section has more people questioning sources than this thread. It really saddens me to see how LOL community is ignorant to how the world works. There are so many contradictory and questionable claims in that video yet no one except you (among with a minority of people) mentioned a thing about them in this thread.

Needless to say, your post deserves more upvotes.

Meteor Driz5 votes

I would bet that Riot is RESTRICTED from responding to this.

ModKnightsKemplar4 votes

I think you are severely overestimating how much control Riot has over that, directly...

Agreed, it sounds bad. I have no doubt of that. But the rest of the world is going to have a hard time just not having anything to do with China ever again, regardless of practices like this. That's a difficult one.

OneExit4 votes

This is absolutely terrifying. I'm not sure if they can, or if there's even a possibility legally, but I really hope Riot pulls themselves, and they're wonderful game out from under a company wrapped up in something so nefarious.

YoungFarmer4 votes

Thats fucked.

Kürama4 votes

Riot isn't concerned with Tencent or China to that extent. They're concerned about developing high-quality game(s) which players would love. Their affiliation with Tencent is pretty much monetary, in that, They sell their shares in order to fund projects and investments in LoL and their future titles. That's it, nothing more.

While Tencent may own Riot now, they don't control Riot. All Tencent cares about is dividends from their investments in Riot. As long as Riot is making money doing whatever they do, Tencent doesn't give two shits.

Wanting Riot to cut their ties with Tencent (which they can, they can simply buy the shares back) is stupid. Like I said earlier, Riot cares about funding projects and investments which will benefit US, the players and to do that they may require more funding to carry it out efficiently. Yes, with the profits they make they more than likely have enough funds, but rather not dip into the profits too much, to be safe.

Boycotting buying RP or Riot isn't going to get them to cut their ties, in fact it'll be enforcing the decision of them selling their shares in the first place as if the money isn't coming from the customers, it'll need to come from elsewhere. Either way, even if some players do decide to do this, it'll be the minority which wouldn't have a significant enough impact for them to change their minds anyway.

ploki1222 votes

Their affiliation with Tencent is pretty much monetary, in that, They sell their shares in order to fund projects and investments in LoL and their future titles. That's it, nothing more.

It goes a bit deeper than that with being able to publish "as a chinese" and stuff like that, but it indeed is only monetary.

Sire Hippington3 votes

the problem is, even if it's only monetary, supporting riot with money means indirectly supporting tencent with money as their dividends will go up. So while it does not mean that riot themselfs are bad, they have a deal with the devil, and supporting them with money will leave a bitter taste seeing as it also supports tencent.

Lithium Rosa4 votes

IDK what you are trying to say, I'm not watching the video coz there is nothing Riot can do about tencent. It's bought by Tencent years ago. Tencent OWNS 92.78% of Riot from 2011, they are not two seperate companies. Tencent = Riot.

Pínk4 votes

I came here to find comments about this. This is so insanely disturbing. I own almost every character on LoL and while I haven't been active lately, I do ARAM's at least twice a week. I don't think I can continue to support LoL after the 100% acquisition by Tencent. They have 10% of Activision Blizzard, not sure how much of Epic they own. But I do not want to be giving money to a company that helps implement this system on a National level. It'll be a new Maoist Youth revolution at a time when they need more democracy to help fix the issues they face.

Kürama4 votes

So I did a little research on this and it's totally not as bad as it seems. Basically, China is so highly populated that a lot of shit goes on their country (A LOT) so this system is being designed to curb the bullshit in China.

You're not going to be penalized for talking about China's state of economy or decisions that the government makes, in fact, this system doesn't monitor social networks or your views at all. This system is purely based on your actions.

You want to do shit and break the law? You get a low score.

You want to abide by the law and do productive things? You get a high score.

It's an attempt to make the Chinese society a better one by encouraging people to "Do Great Things" - Microsoft

That's pretty much it.

#Source

AMYS GRAVE3 votes

I would really love to see an official riot stance about this. Not necessarily on the boards but a full press release on the situation.

Unanamu2 votes

that sesme score is based on the taobao account you created with nothing but an email address and most likely calculated based on the points you accumulated from purchasing, weibo, bank account, qq service are all seperare accounts under control of different companies, not to mention most china internet and telephone service is based on anonymous prepaid method

unless china simultanousely dismantles tencent, alibaba, sina and China telecom, china unicom, merge their client data bank into one and force real name registration plus only one per person, developing this new technology of keeping bank accounts private while its purchasing history not, forbid any new start up internet site built with non real name register tracking any offline real money purchase then i dont see how this is a problem

My ADC Abuses Me27 votes

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i dont see how this is a problem

It is a huge problem. If unchallenged it sets a precedent of inaction and apathy towards a country enslaving, watching and turning it's population against each other.

PhDs Nuts29 votes

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snip

The No-fly List is getting a lot of attention in the US recently. Imagine possibly being added to that if your "Patriot Score" got too low.

Popstar Ahri2 votes

sorry for my ignorance but, how is this going to effect us?

Tormyth7 votes

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sorry for my ignorance but, how is this going to effect us?

tencent owns quite a bit of riot games

AbyssionKnight14 votes

This is actually why this thread is irrelevant. It's not like Riot can reply to this and magically wave a hand and negate Tencent's share in their company.

So while it's good to raise public awareness, Riot is not only never going to respond, but they're not able to effect the change the op wants.

Sid885 votes

Basically, this video is about awareness. It may happen at some point that this kind of a system gets implemented in our countries and we should know what the problems are to ensure that doesn't happen.

As an example, in India Facebook tied up with TRAI(Telecom Regulatory Authority of India) which is basically a government branch that deals with telecommunication and internet, to implement some kind of permit for private telephone companies to ensure some websites get high speeds while others don't, Facebook being one of them. So basically, these telephone companies would charge you additional money for services that allowed internet calling like Skype and Whatsapp or chatting like Hangouts or Telegram for normal or high speeds. If you didn't pay that money, the speeds of these services and websites would be so slow, that you won't be able to use them anyway. (.l.. you Mark Zuckerberg). In gaming terms, if my telephone company gets paid by Blizzard, then I would only have good ping playing WoW. If I decided to play league, I wont be able to, because my speed and ping would be off the charts. At the same time, my neighbor with a telecom company paid by Riot, would have perfect speed for league, but will have problems with WoW or other games.

So this buncha guys who had a youtube channel called AIB managed to catch it made a similar video to raise awareness for it and promote the people to take a stand against this stupid ruling called Save the Internet which was viewed by a HUGE number of people. The people took a stand threatening the government and, being the largest democracy, the government bowed to the pressure and stopped it going any further.

TL; DR: These guys are trying to make you aware how you can be controlled sneakily without having any idea till its too late. Making you aware right now ensure you are able to take a stand if something like this ever gets implemented in your country. :)

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